Brock the GOAT? - Jericho the New Hogan? - Explaining Baffling ROH Booking

Name: Brock the GOAT? - Jericho the New Hogan? - Explaining Baffling ROH Booking
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02:54Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of the Full Wrestling Podcast.

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03:03over at the Full Wrestling Sound Offline, 267-642-1160, and I will get to those in a future episode.

03:09Tonight, a couple things going on.

03:10We're going to hit some of the news and tidbits from around the world of pro wrestling, and one of

03:14the things I love tonight is I have some questions from listeners that I want to address.

03:19I've been asked my input or my opinion on a couple things, so we'll throw that in there as well.

03:24Let's start the show with JBL talking on his podcast that he does about Brock Lesnar and referencing that he

03:32believes that Brock Lesnar is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time,

03:35even referencing him as the GOAT, and making reference to the fact that so often people have these debates about

03:42the greatest wrestlers of all time,

03:43and you don't always hear Brock's name come up in those conversations.

03:46JBL is somebody who's been in the ring with a lot of those other people who are considered at that

03:50level,

03:50and he made it clear that Brock is one of them.

03:54And if you think about it, one of the things that has come out in the last several years about

03:57Brock Lesnar is his propensity for being able to work with just about anybody.

04:01The knock on him was always his promo skills, but let's be honest, in the last couple years, his promos

04:06have been pretty solid as well.

04:08Him going off script sometimes, some people might get irritated by it, but I actually love that when he's put

04:13Cody over at SummerSlam,

04:14when he put Oba over this summer.

04:16Love the retirement angle, the original one at WrestleMania.

04:21Ending the streak, all these types of things, and his just reign of dominance in the ring.

04:25So few people have beaten Brock Lesnar in his pro wrestling career.

04:28It's a very elite status list of people.

04:32So the guy has to be, and I'll be honest, I haven't really thought about it.

04:36People have asked me all the time.

04:37As a matter of fact, one of the questions I was going to address tonight was, who is on my

04:41Mount Rushmore?

04:42I was asked that by Stacey, and I apologize, Stacey, I don't know any more than just the first name

04:47Stacey.

04:48He asked me about my greatest of all time, or my Mount Rushmore, and I don't know, because it's so

04:53hard.

04:53And I did see where some, I forget which show it was, I want to say, man, I apologize, I

05:01can't remember which show it was.

05:02It might have been the one with Maven, where they were talking about greatest of all times or something like

05:08that.

05:08And they said, maybe you need to do it by eras.

05:10Like, who's like the old school, is Bruno the old school guy?

05:14Is Hogan the guy from the 80s, or Flair, something like that?

05:17Somebody from the Attitude era, is that like a Bret Hart or Stone Cold?

05:20Then you get into Ruthless Aggression, John Cena, and you get into the modern era, and then you look at

05:26somebody like, you know, Roman Reigns or whatever.

05:29And it was a really interesting conversation.

05:30I think that might be a better way to look at it than a Mount Rushmore.

05:33Trying to compile all the stats and things in your brain and narrow it down to four guys that go

05:37into Mount Rushmore of pro wrestling is very, very difficult.

05:40Now, if you ask me who my four favorite wrestlers is, that's hard enough, much less being greatest.

05:45But my four favorite wrestlers, Sting is always at the top of my list, Shawn Michaels is always at the

05:50top of my list, Hulk Hogan is always at the top of my list.

05:52Because the three of them are who kept me wanting to watch professional wrestling.

05:56They were my be-all, end-all that kept me engaged in what I was watching.

06:01Going for a fourth of my favorites, which, man, I feel bad because no matter who I say, I'm going

06:06to be upsetting.

06:06You know, I'll be upsetting some of my buddies who we've talked about this before, but in all seriousness, if

06:12I had to pick a fourth person as one of my favorites, it might be Brock.

06:17To be perfectly honest with you, I still have the very first Brock Lesnar shirt that was ever released.

06:22I still wear it.

06:23Oddly, it still fits, which is crazy.

06:26As, you know, ah, man, I said that.

06:28I said Brock, but AJ Styles is at the top of my list, too.

06:31If anybody tunes into my show knows that.

06:33So I don't know, man.

06:33Maybe I got to have a top five for my favorites of all time.

06:36But, again, that doesn't make them automatically the best, greatest wrestlers of all time.

06:39So, I don't know.

06:40It really depends on who you are.

06:42I'm not going to complain about anybody's Mount Rushmore, no matter what it is.

06:45Maybe do a Mount Rushmore of jobbers.

06:47That would be cool.

06:48You know, you got to give it to Steve Lombardi at number one, Iron Mike Sharp number two, Brad Armstrong

06:53number three, and I don't know where you go from there.

06:56I wasn't really playing.

06:57Gilberg.

06:58I'll go with Gilberg as number four.

07:00From there, let's move on.

07:01And Dave Meltzer addressing the booking of this week's Dynamite episode where we had the Continental, or I'm sorry, the

07:09second entrant to the Casino Battle Royal match.

07:12That's the one it was actually in where it was Nick Wayne versus Speedball Mike Bailey versus MJF.

07:16And, of course, MJF was going to win the match because he's got his feud going on with Andrade, who

07:20won entrant number one.

07:22So, the question was, when Nick Wayne is scheduled to challenge for the Ring of Honor World Heavyweight Championship against

07:28Bandito at Death Before Dishonor, why would you have him take the loss in this match instead of Speedball Mike

07:35Bailey?

07:35And Meltzer was like, that's because Mike Bailey's higher on the card, which Brian Alvarez countered with, but he's challenging

07:41for the Ring of Honor World Championship.

07:44And then the explanation was, Speedball's higher, that Tony Khan does not worry about, you know, detracting from the quality

07:52of the Ring of Honor title.

07:53Bandito has lost, lost in Mexico, things like that.

07:56Making it sound like Tony Khan doesn't really have this cohesive booking style across his different companies and programs and

08:03stuff.

08:03And I don't know if that's a good thing, because I'm kind of in agreement with Brian Alvarez.

08:07If you're going to have Nick Wayne challenge for the Ring of Honor Championship, one, if you want him to

08:11win it, he can't lose here.

08:13That's stupid booking.

08:15Two, if he's going to lose there, and you're doing this here, and then he loses there, it makes it

08:19look like the Ring of Honor Championship match was worthless.

08:21If you're just going to have him beat here, have somebody else challenge for the Ring of Honor World Championship.

08:26There's tons of talent.

08:27Have Brian Cage challenge for the Ring of Honor World Championship.

08:30He's somebody who's worthy of being a Ring of Honor champion.

08:34Have, you know, Lance Archer, who's somebody you're doing nothing with in AEW, who's a quality wrestler.

08:40I'm a fan of his going back years.

08:42He was TCW World Champion.

08:44For anybody who knows what TCW was, traditional championship wrestling, I would love to see that.

08:49But you don't have to put somebody like Nick Wayne in that position and then beat him on Dynamite.

08:53I agree with Alvarez.

08:54I think it was a terrible booking.

08:56From there, Chris Jericho in the news with Hulk Hogan.

08:59But strangely, if Hulk Hogan was making a claim right away, everybody would think it's BS.

09:04And I understand.

09:05I really do.

09:06Because Hogan's been full of BS many times throughout the years.

09:08But this is Chris Jericho saying that he got a phone call from Hogan.

09:12Apparently, they were on, like, speaking terms.

09:14And that Hogan told him he saw a lot of his NWO self in Jericho.

09:19And that Jericho was, like, in a way, like, was like a mirror of him.

09:23And was, like, taking the torch.

09:26Basically, he was passing the torch to Jericho.

09:28I don't know how much of that I buy.

09:30I don't think I care.

09:31I find it wildly entertaining, though.

09:33And I can see some of the comparisons.

09:35Jericho with the pain maker and stuff like that.

09:37Reinventing himself the way he does.

09:39And doing things the way Hogan reinvented himself with the NWO.

09:42I just find it very strange that this is the first time we're hearing about it.

09:46A little bit weird for me.

09:47Gotta give kudos to Bayley.

09:49As we all know, Bayley's had some interesting posts recently.

09:52But one post she put up today was wonderful, amazing, fantastic.

09:56Super proud of her.

09:57She has been asked by Gail Kim and by Natty Neidhart to take the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge

10:03in honor of Rebel, AEW superstar.

10:06And she decided to take two buckets of ice water.

10:09Though the second one missed her quite a bit, it seemed.

10:12But I love that she, you know, spoke of Gail Kim.

10:15I love that she, you know, her first bucket, she nominated a whole lot of WWE talent.

10:21Uh, Maxine Dupree, um, Grayson Waller, uh, Carmella, which I thought was a cool one.

10:27Um, somebody else.

10:28I'm forgetting somebody else.

10:29Does she know?

10:29Oh, Roxanne Perez.

10:31And then her second bucket, she nominated a bunch of the girls that she works with on

10:35the indie scene, which I thought was wonderful.

10:36I really liked that.

10:37And I love that a WWE contracted currently today superstar is supporting an AEW contracted

10:43superstar who's dealing with something so serious.

10:45So it was very cool to see that.

10:47Kudos to Bailey for doing the right thing.

10:48Uh, please support ALS research and recovery.

10:51I, those who know me know I recently lost a friend of mine to a battle to ALS that came

10:55on very quickly.

10:56And in less than two years, he would, we lost him.

10:59And it's just, it's a terrible situation.

11:01Bailey actually loves, she explained it as something that attacks, uh, your brainstem,

11:06your, your spinal column and all that stuff.

11:07She really explained it.

11:08And it was, it was really wonderful.

11:10And for somebody like me who has had some personal connection to somebody who has been

11:14lost to this, I couldn't agree more.

11:16If there's anything you can do, please, my ALS, go online, make a donation, and let's

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11:22Um, from there, I'm going to address two questions that I got, uh, in the, the, the,

11:28uh, for wrestling sound offline.

11:31I love it when I get an opportunity to do this.

11:32So question number one comes from Tom, Tom.

11:35I don't know if that's supposed to be one name, like beating a drum, Native American type

11:39stuff, or if that's somebody being silly, but Tom, Tom asked me that he said he watched

11:44impact wrestling on Thursday night and he was very frustrated with the match between

11:47Nick Nemeth and Jeff Hardy.

11:49His comment, his question, I apologize is, do I feel that impact wrestling has done right

11:55by the world heavyweight championship?

11:56And I appreciate your, your, your question, Tom, Tom, I really do.

11:59And let's be honest, Nick Nemeth can still go.

12:02He really can.

12:03I get it.

12:03He's up there.

12:03I think, if I remember right, I think he's, um, guy, I want to say he's three or four years

12:07younger than me.

12:08I think he's 46 and Hardy is two years younger than me, but I haven't had my birthday yet.

12:12So he would be 48.

12:14So, you know, two guys in their late forties.

12:16Now here's the thing.

12:17Nemeth can go.

12:18Hardy, not as much anymore.

12:20Like it's almost getting frustratingly sad to see him trying to do what he did 25 years

12:27ago.

12:28Um, I understand why they did the match was to set up for the, you know, brothers versus

12:32brothers world tag team championship match.

12:34But why is your world champion going to be going to lockdown and challenging for the tag

12:38titles?

12:38Like, I don't enjoy that thought at all.

12:40And I don't want to see the Hardys in a cage match either at this stage of their careers.

12:44Matt Hardy was teasing about going back to WWE earlier today.

12:47Um, I think it's a better idea for them to start winding it down and think about what

12:51the next phase of their involvement in pro wrestling to be.

12:53There was conversation that Matt Hardy was asked to be an agent way back in WWE days.

12:57Maybe that's something he transitions into, but if they're going to stay, I feel like they

13:01need to stick with cinematic stuff that they can hide their weaknesses and accentuate their

13:05positives because this match, I'm with you, Tom, Tom.

13:08It was not a great match.

13:10Um, it was slow, it was plodding.

13:13It felt like they were wrestling in the mud sometimes.

13:14So I understand your frustration.

13:16I do.

13:17And when you look at the roster with people like Ricky Sosa on there and, uh, Mustafa Ali

13:22and people like that who are young and, and vibrant and full of energy and can really,

13:27you know, do a lot for the company.

13:29And you just lost Mike Santana, but let's just have a conversation about Mike Santana.

13:32Having to belt on him was a great idea.

13:33Joe Hendry was a great idea.

13:35Um, this right now, Nick Nemeth is like a placeholder till we figure out who the heck

13:39is going to be their next guy.

13:41Um, Trey Miguel is not a terrible option.

13:43Leon Slater, not a terrible option.

13:45Um, so, and on that show, if I remember correctly, Leon Slater is now in a situation where he's

13:50challenging Cedric Alexander for the, uh, X division championship.

13:53And if he loses his historic championship reign will be wiped out of the record books for

13:58all time, which is the stupidest stipulation I think I've ever heard in my life.

14:02You know, you can't erase history.

14:04It is what it is.

14:05It's not going to be recognized.

14:07Then what did you do with your title for over a year?

14:09It's so dumb, which also means Leon has to win the match.

14:13Otherwise he looks like a double punk and he should go away for a while.

14:16Maybe he's leaving for WWE and that's why they're doing it.

14:18I don't know.

14:20However, if he doesn't win, the only reason I could see him not winning here is if you're

14:25immediately going to make him the guy and put him in the world title picture.

14:29That's it.

14:30That is it.

14:30But it shouldn't have been to erase his reign from history.

14:33It should have been, you could never challenge for the X division championship again, because

14:36doing it for a mid card title, I'm okay with like, if you did it with the IC title or

14:40the

14:40United States championship, the X division, the AEW national championship, international

14:45championship, something like that makes sense.

14:47Because you could still go for the world title.

14:49I don't like downgrading, only upgrading.

14:52So not sure how I felt about that either.

14:54So I know that's a little bit off topic of the world championship, but you're, you're

14:57right in when you say they have not done the TNA world championship justice because they

15:01have not booked it correctly because they haven't cultivated anybody to take that championship.

15:05They really haven't.

15:06And the last comment for tonight, uh, this one is Mary Beth Olson, Mary Beth, thank you

15:12for your question.

15:13Her question is about MLW and I, I got this one tonight and she said, um, she saw the episode

15:19of MLW where Gallows and Anderson won the world tag team championship and that Baron Corbin

15:25was involved.

15:26How is this possible?

15:27Well, uh, we had a conversation a couple, a couple of weeks ago on the show, the episodes

15:32that you're seeing from MLW that are playing now were actually taped back in April.

15:36So Baron Corbin was still a contracted wrestler for MLW at the time, part of the world tag

15:41team champions.

15:41They filmed this quite a while ago.

15:43Gallows and Anderson won the championships back in April.

15:46It's just now that their playthrough time on their recording is finally coming to hitting

15:50their, their, their channel.

15:52Um, but no, I understand why it can cause some confusion, especially if you're not like

15:56following every day's like TV tapings and everything for every company and stuff like

16:01that, it makes a lot of sense why that could be confusing.

16:03Um, how cool would it be though, you know, to have a WWE contracted guy and MLW have

16:07the two companies doing something together, kind of like a triple a or like, uh, a couple

16:11of years ago, Nakamura went to pro wrestling, Noah and wrestled the great Muda when he was

16:15on his retirement tour and stuff like that.

16:17I think WWE would be wise to make more partnerships and more companies around the world.

16:22Uh, uh, I forget the name of it is like WXP or something like that.

16:27There's one that, uh, WrestleTalk News is, is sponsoring heavily that is in, uh, uh, India,

16:33I believe, or maybe it's South Africa.

16:34I can't remember.

16:35Um, but, uh, WXM, I think it is.

16:39Um, you should check that out.

16:40It's got Raj Desi is in there and stuff.

16:42Former Jinder Mahal.

16:43Um, partnering with companies like that, really bringing a, a, a variety to say, not the WWE

16:50network, cause we don't have that anymore, but we certainly have WWE's YouTube channel

16:54and things like that.

16:54You could put on specials where you do things with those people.

16:58Um, do a Netflix special with WWE, um, interviewers talking about these outside talents.

17:04I think it'd be a great idea, but no, to your original question.

17:07Um, the reason you're able to see that title change tonight is because it was recorded so

17:11long ago.

17:11It's frustrating.

17:12You know, April, you go May, June, July, August for four months later, we're just now

17:16putting an episode out shows you how infrequently they tape shows for the company.

17:19And maybe that's a cost cutting thing.

17:21You know, if you're, if you're court Bauer with MLW, who, by the way, if you didn't hear

17:25we mentioned on a previous episode is negotiating with Hessa Blanchard, keep an eye on that.

17:29Um, but when maybe court Bauer brings them in, it's all their matches for the next four

17:33months done in one night's taping so that he can cut down on travel costs and things

17:37like that.

17:37Smart move if that's the case.

17:39Um, but the problem is in 2026 with the spoilers out there and people reporting on everything,

17:43we find out about this stuff well in advance or something like the Baron Corbin situation

17:47where he signs a contract with WWE and now he's not even in that company anymore.

17:50And he never got a chance to put that match out there before people know that it's a

17:53pre-taped show.

17:54So a little bit crazy, but thank you everybody for your questions tonight.

17:58If you have questions, comments, concerns, please, by all means, as I said earlier, at

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18:07I appreciate you guys so, so much.

18:10Um, but for now, that's all the time we have for this episode.

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