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00:00When Love Island, it's like, okay, you got to be with someone or you're out, you know, so a lot
00:04of
00:04the stuff can be a little bit surface level on there. So it was it was nice to not have
00:09that
00:09pressure of like needing a relationship in a TV show.
00:16Virtual reality.
00:19So much.
00:20How you doing?
00:21How you guys doing?
00:22Hi.
00:23You are so pretty. Oh my God. Like that is
00:26That is a crazy thing, though. I feel like on the challenge, everyone is so attractive, but you're doing these
00:31stunts and challenges that sometimes put your face in danger. Like what was it like going into this season, knowing
00:38that this is the moneymaker and you're putting it in a vulnerable position?
00:43Honestly, I'm nervous every single season. For me, heights over water is the one that gets me terrified. I'm like,
00:49there's no way to like brace yourself because it doesn't like you don't really know. It depends on like what
00:53you're doing. You could be fighting someone you could be throwing yourself.
00:55And so like you can't control the way that you fall. And I've seen people smack like I don't know
01:00if you guys remember on season 39, James comes from like the UK challenge and he had fell in a
01:06heights over water challenge and completely messed up his eyes and all this swelled up and got purple.
01:12It was awful.
01:13And watching him watching that happen to him, I now every time I do heights over water, I'm like terrified.
01:18My heart's like this and I'm not scared of heights, but I'm scared of falling and ruining this face.
01:21Oh my God. I love the blonde hair. It looks so good.
01:24Oh yeah. I don't know if I'm going through like a quarter life crisis or something, but a few weeks
01:27ago, I just dyed it blonde. I was like, I need to change. I'm sick of it. I've had the
01:31same haircut for like eight years. I was like, but it's, people are liking it so far.
01:35Yeah, I'm into it. They do say that though. When a man bleaches his hair, it does indicate that he's
01:40going through some sort of crisis. Did anything specifically inspire this transformation?
01:47No, literally nothing inspired it. You know, actually I was at the gym and a lot of guys at my
01:51gym, I go to like a really high-end gym in Miami and a lot of guys, like I was
01:55walking in, they were like fit dudes and they like bleached their hair. And I was like, that actually looks
01:59kind of cool.
02:00And then I was thinking about it and I was like, I'm not really like a risk taker like that.
02:03And I was like, you know what? You're only young once. Why don't, why don't you just do it? But
02:07no, nothing happened.
02:08I love that. You're not a risk taker, but you're doing the challenge, which I feel is such a risk
02:12and such an undertaking and such an experience. How was the experience for you?
02:16Yeah. Yeah. I honestly don't think it was a risk. I, I, I truly have really had an amazing experience
02:22with not only the cast, but everyone that's involved in the challenge.
02:25Um, I've been a fan of the show for a while. I used to grow up watching it, you know,
02:29with my sister and my family. So I honestly feel like, you know, Love Island gives me a platform and
02:35I love that whole family, but they don't really get to see all of me on that show.
02:39And by what I mean is like my, like I am a competitor through and through, I've played sports my
02:43whole life. I feel like I embody a lot of the qualities that it takes to be a challenge champion.
02:48Um, and I was blessed for the opportunity to be a part of it. I had, I had a blast.
02:52I think, you know, when you're an ex-athlete and you know, I'm a business owner, so like you're competing
02:56every day and you're just in that mode, but you kind of miss that whole athletic background.
03:00And then as an adult getting a chance to compete against other people again, I really sparks that fire. So
03:06I, I had an absolute blast knowing you from Love Island.
03:09Like you really embody like that miss congeniality spirit. You're so kind, you're so nice. You get along with everyone,
03:15but the challenge is known to be a sometimes very cutthroat environment.
03:19Were there parts of you that came out while filming the challenge that you were like, Oh, I didn't know
03:25that Deb had it in her like that.
03:28I mean, in the little, this season on the challenge, you see me kind of getting into it with somebody.
03:35So I'm really proud of myself for, uh, the times that I did speak up for myself this season.
03:42Cause I remember in Love Island games, that was my biggest regret was just kind of like cowering and being
03:47like, Oh, I don't know.
03:48And ever since then I've been working on being a people pleaser and speaking up for myself.
03:52And I feel like this was the perfect environment for me to put those skills to the test and you
03:57will see.
03:59Wait, but I'm kind of curious because the challenge has you do all these insane things that you kind of
04:04have to either not be afraid of, or you're not afraid of.
04:06Like, does it help you in day-to-day life face fears that might actually sound silly that you're even
04:11afraid of those things?
04:12Like sending a text or pumping gas.
04:14You know what I mean?
04:15I will say I'm someone that's pretty fearless aside from like, I don't like the ocean, but I would say
04:21I'm pretty fearless.
04:21I'm pretty much a go-getter.
04:23Like I'm not prideful.
04:24I have no ego.
04:25Like if I want something or even if something scares me, I like allow that.
04:29Like I like to let that in because I don't like, I don't like to feel scared.
04:32I like to just be like, okay, it is scary, but I'm going to still do it.
04:34Like I'm still going to give it a shot, which is why I've gone skydiving on my free time, bungee
04:38jumping on my free time.
04:39And these are things that I do outside of the challenge just to go have some fun.
04:43You are a more courageous woman than I am because I am so scared of bungee jumping or particularly skydiving
04:50is very scary to me.
04:51Skydiving is easier.
04:53Really?
04:53Skydiving is easier.
04:54Bungee jumping, I had to do it twice.
04:56The first time I did it, I was like, amazing.
04:58I came back up and the guy's like, yeah, well, you guys picked to do it twice.
05:01I cried.
05:03I tried.
05:04I literally cried.
05:05I said, wait, I don't want to go a second time.
05:07But that's incredible that you do those sort of adrenaline rushy kind of activities in between seasons because then it's
05:14like you're never in a space where you're not ready to put yourself in a crazy situation like that.
05:20When you kind of like think about your entire challenge career, what would you say is the most insane thing
05:26you've done that you probably never thought you would have had to do in your lifetime?
05:32I'm eliminating two guys.
05:33I mean, I feel like it's like that's like the main that's like the main one that comes to my
05:36mind because I've grown up watching the challenge since I was a kid and it's so rare for that to
05:40be a thing.
05:41It's so rare for women to beat men, even overall, especially like I mean, even in my season, you know
05:46what I mean?
05:46Like I got beat by a guy. It's so rare for women to come out on top when it comes
05:49to just one on one guy versus girl.
05:52And so I still think it's pretty cool. I still cannot believe to this day that I did that and
05:57that I was actually like I actually accomplished that because before you had even started, I literally told both Kylan
06:02and Horacio, I'm like, I'm throwing it because there's not I have no chance in hell.
06:06There's no way you guys are faster, stronger, smarter. I was like, I'm not going to I don't stand a
06:09chance.
06:10And then I went in there and I was like, you know, give me your all. You never know. You
06:14might surprise yourself. And I did. So I'm like, OK, I also feel like we're part of that generation that
06:19really grew up with the challenge.
06:21So like we were watching it as kids and we know it's intense as hell. Was there a part of
06:27you that was kind of scared?
06:29I mean, you're like really athletic, actually. So I feel like you're fully capable and equipped, but like still like
06:34there's probably like a mental aspect of just like watching all these insane challenges that would be intimidating.
06:40Totally. I mean, I haven't seen a lot of the episodes or a lot of the seasons, but like you
06:44said, we grew up with it.
06:45So I knew of people like CT, Bananas, Cara Maria, and I know how competitive and like intense they've been.
06:52I remember when Olivia broke her nose a couple of seasons ago, I was like, this is crazy.
06:57But yeah, I mean, when I walked in, I was so intimidated by everyone and I am like athletic, but
07:05I feel like these people like train like they are running up mountains with boulders.
07:10For fun. Like I just like work out because I'm very hyperactive and I want to look good in a
07:14bikini, you know, you are like the king of the challenge.
07:17So we're a lot of them afraid that when they say that the poster says we're saying that we're better
07:22than a poster.
07:23Yeah, you know what? I appreciate that. Thank you.
07:25But yet, do you feel like your cast was a little intimidated that you were going to be in the
07:28mix?
07:30Uh, no, no, honestly, I, I, I, um, I don't want to speak for orange because I know they welcomed
07:37me with open arms when I caught pick last again, but I, uh, I was super pumped to me.
07:43I'm like, I don't think enough credit is given to Justin for putting together basically the dream team of the
07:51challenge.
07:52Like we're stacked. I mean, come on. No, I don't think anyone was intimidated by me. I'll say this. I
08:01think, uh, I was, I do think that because the last season, I was, I mean, it's easily, it's safe
08:07to say there was the worst performance I've ever had on the challenge.
08:10But I think because of that, like my cons have been magnified more than my pros and that's okay. I'd
08:18rather people sleep on me anyway. Uh, right.
08:21Oh, and I love that you grew up watching the challenge and now you're on a show with legends like
08:26CT, et cetera. How does that feel for you? Is it kind of surreal?
08:31Yeah, it was really cool. I think for me, uh, fortunately going into this season, I actually had a couple
08:36of relationships with some of the vets.
08:38I had met them already just because I've been in the reality TV world for, you know, five, six years.
08:42So, you know, I live down here with Johnny bananas. I have met Tori multiple times and hung out with
08:46her, you know, so like I had a little bit of rapport with some of the vets, which, which obviously
08:51was a good thing for one of six rookies being in the house, uh, when you're going to be first
08:55on the chopping block most of the time. Um, but you know, getting a chance to meet CT too, you
09:00know, we're both from, from Massachusetts, uh, right outside of Boston. So it was, it was really cool. You know,
09:05we bonded on a lot of that stuff and, uh, yeah, just, you know,
09:08I think that people also, I say this all the time to people that come up to me and take
09:11pictures or whatever. They idolize who you are without actually knowing who you are. But once you just sit down
09:16and talk to somebody, like we're all the same, we're all normal people. We breathe the same air, you know?
09:20So it's, uh, it's really cool just to kind of chop it up in the challenge house with some of
09:24the vets.
09:24What was the best part of doing the challenge?
09:28Oh my gosh. Um, I just think being able to get to go to Thailand was amazing. I think just,
09:35it was so much fun. That was the thing that shocked me was how fun it was. It wasn't as
09:41serious as I thought it was going to be. Obviously when you're in the challenges and when there's tense moments,
09:46it's serious.
09:46But I literally had so much fun. I made so many friends. Even the challenges that were really scary were
09:52really fun.
09:53Who did you lead on the most while filming?
09:56Honestly, my team, Izzy, Michelle, and Tori, we became so tight and they helped me and hyped me and guided
10:04me. And I just think our team like really came together.
10:09There was a point where we were like, I don't know how we're going to operate, especially after Johnny went
10:16into elimination so early.
10:17But the way that everybody came together for me during my elimination was just like amazing. Like I, I loved
10:26my team. I was so lucky with the team I had, but the girls, we all got really close.
10:29Now that you are part of the challenge universe, do you see yourself doing this for seasons to come? Are
10:34you going to be like the next CT? Like what are, what are kind of your reality TV ambitions?
10:41I don't know if anyone could be another CT. I think he's one of one for sure. So I'm going
10:44to leave him with that and then leave bananas with that. I don't think anyone else can really replicate those
10:49two, but I would absolutely love to be on another season of the challenge.
10:53You know, like I said, I think my experience was incredible. I feel blessed for the opportunity. It was a
10:58couple of years in the making since my first Love Island. So I was, I was blessed for that, but
11:02no, I had a great experience. I love competing. I think the challenges are fun and it's cool just being
11:08in the house. There's a lot more downtime than other reality TV shows. So it's nice. You kind of still
11:11feel like a normal, you know, person while you're filming, which definitely helps the mental as well. But no, I
11:17would, I would do it again and again and again, if given the opportunity.
11:21Yeah, honestly, I don't think, I mean, I'm still young. I'm still fit. I'm still, I'm still ready to, to,
11:27to rip people's heads off. So for me, I want to keep going. Like if, if the challenge gets picked
11:31up past this season and we can continue the franchise, like that's what I would love. It's like I said,
11:36for me, this has been a dream.
11:37I wish I could be on this and I was like 14 years old and I'm finally on it now.
11:41And I talked so much about the older vets that are still on here and I still do about them
11:47sometimes. And I call them old and everything, but I understand why they keep coming back.
11:50The challenge is fun and like money aside, like I get people come on the show to like come make
11:54money and because they need this as a career and stuff. But like all that aside, I don't come to
11:59the challenge for that.
11:59I come to have fun. I come to, I come to compete. I come to have fun with my friends
12:03and the environment is so nice. Having no phone, not having to worry about the outside world. Like it just,
12:08it's so refreshing. It's so nice to like, just go film for a little bit, even if you don't win.
12:14How relaxing potentially was it to film a show that wasn't a dating show? Cause I always commend people for
12:19going on dating shows cause that is so stressful and opening up a part of you that you're like, I
12:24don't even really want to see. And now the entire world is seeing.
12:27Yeah, that's a great, that's a great question. I think it's, it was refreshing. I've never filmed a show that
12:32like, you know, airs months later. It's always live. So you come out of it with all this craziness, you
12:37know? So that was cool. Number one.
12:38But I think the, the other part of that is like the love aspect where, you know, obviously there's hookups
12:43on, on the challenge, but it's less pressure to like be with somebody and you can naturally get a chance
12:49to be with somebody if it makes sense for you. You know, when love Island, it's like, okay, you got
12:53to be with someone or you're out, you know? So a lot of the stuff can be a little bit
12:57surface level, uh, on, on there. So it was, it was nice to not have that pressure of like needing
13:02a relationship in a TV show.
13:04Do you still watch love Island? Because the show just keeps getting bigger and bigger. It feels like the entire
13:09world is watching it, especially the U S version has really popped off in recent seasons. Are you still a
13:14fan or do you kind of have like PTSD where like you don't want to watch it?
13:18No, I'm, I'm still a fan. I feel like I need to keep up with what's going on just because
13:23I went back on last fall to love Island games. Like now I'm refreshed into like this new level of
13:28love Island where when I was on it the first time, it wasn't as big. The old fans don't really
13:32watch anymore, you know, but I will tell you this. It's, uh, it's changed a lot. That's for sure. Um,
13:38and I don't have the time to, I don't watch the episodes. I just follow it on Instagram and things
13:42like that. Cause I don't have time to sit
13:44there every night and watch, you know, some 22 year olds just talk about nonsense.
13:48Do you, did you, from what you saw on Tik TOK and Instagram from this past season, does it seem
13:52like one you would want to like grow back and binge? Are you kind of like, I think I'm okay.
13:57No, I think I'm okay. I think you get the gist, uh, just by looking at it online. Um, I
14:02don't really need to go too much more in depth on, on that for sure.
14:06Yeah. I feel like one thing that was obviously very special was Kenzie and her splits. How did Kenzie splits
14:11make you feel?
14:13I mean, they really just kind of, especially as an athlete. Yes. She would do great on the challenge.
14:18Very impressive. Yeah. She'd be almost like a, a dev. I feel like, you know, probably. Uh, so cause Deb
14:24sneaky athletic too. Uh, and I think she does have a competitor in her. She just tries to like play
14:29it off. Like she doesn't. Um, but yeah, I think the splits were definitely impressive. Like I said, I didn't
14:34really have like, didn't follow this past season super close of Love Island, but you know, obviously how could you
14:40not see the splits everywhere on, on social media?
14:42Deb, I love that you are part of the challenge universe. After coming from the Love Island universe, your boy,
14:48Josh was just telling us that you are kind of like secretively competitive. You like to make it seem like
14:54maybe you're not, but like you're, you're one to watch out for. How do you feel about that? Do you
14:59agree?
15:00I do kind of agree. It's, I don't know if it's competitiveness or stubbornness. I'm so stubborn, but once you're
15:07in that house, like there's no other choice, but to be competitive. Like once I got in there and I
15:11was like, wait, I'm actually kind of capable of doing some of these challenges. I was like, ball to the
15:17wall. Like I'm, I'm, I'm in it now.
15:19I love that. Wait, when you told your friends you were going on the challenge or they're like, oh no,
15:23we see that competitiveness and you are, they're like, what are you doing?
15:26My friends were like, Deb, what are you doing? Like, it was more like, this is that like really intense
15:32and really scary. And I was like, yeah, but why not? You know, why not see how far I can
15:37push myself and test myself?
15:38Now remind me, where was your season of Love Island film? Were you Fiji or California? Or where were you?
15:44Santa Barbara.
15:45Santa Barbara. Right. Do you know what? Their, their season of Love Island was so funny because it wasn't like
15:50out loud. We're in Santa Barbara. You were just made to think it was like this like mysterious tropical locale.
15:55And then I found out it was Santa Barbara. I was like, oh, that's nice and local. Um, so how
15:59does Santa Barbara stack up to Thailand?
16:01Oh my gosh. There is no comparison. Yeah. I also loved being in Thailand because like, I am like a
16:07lizard. Like I love the warmth. And so being in Thailand and being able to do like summery activities and
16:13it not be freezing. And like my lungs weren't like dying for oxygen. Like it would if I was in
16:17the cold. Like it was really nice. It was the perfect environment for me. I felt like I was on
16:21vacation. It was gorgeous. And the house was beautiful.
16:25How is dad duty going?
16:26He didn't even care. My son. I'm like, buddy, I got a new show coming out finally. And he's like,
16:30yeah, you want to play Roblox?
16:31Oh, that's so sweet. Are you loving being a dad though? It's crazy to see CT as a dad.
16:36Honestly, it's my safe space. It's my safe space. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
16:41What would you say is the best part of dad duty? You know what I mean?
16:48It's like, it's like, at least it did something right. If that makes sense.
16:52Yeah. Well, you've done a lot of things right on, on the challenge. You've been on so many seasons.
16:57I mean, that's how I look at it. Like I'm doing something right. You know, let's get that going for
17:01me.
17:01But we are, we are very excited that this new season of the challenge is upon us.
17:05Me too. Me too.
17:07That there is some fun stuff. Cause we know, of course, unfortunately you are in the midst of a divorce
17:12and we're wondering how is that, how is that going and how are you feeling?
17:17I'll say this. I, uh, you know, chapter 46, cause that's what I've been posting. It's cause it's sudden, I'm
17:25starting a new chapter in my life.
17:26And, uh, one thing I've, uh, come to learn, and maybe I may be a slow learner, but I do
17:32learn is that I think what I need to do is, uh, stop oversharing and keep some things private.
17:39Hmm. Yeah. Okay. That's a good lesson to learn.
17:42Not it. You know what I mean? Not it.
17:44Yeah. In relationships or just in general?
17:47Well, I know, I think, uh, you know, yeah, all of the above. Is there a C option? You know,
17:56I'll say this. I, uh, yeah, I'm gonna leave it there. You know, I'm not bringing life into that.
18:02Yeah. I feel you. Once that's wrapped up, would you ever want to get married again?
18:06Uh, you know what, when I've been thinking about this, like when it comes to relationships, uh, it's not that
18:12like I've been chasing, I'll say this. I almost feel like, cause I'm an 80s baby where, um, I think
18:18maybe the type of relationship that maybe I've been looking for just kind of doesn't exist anymore because the world
18:26has changed.
18:26Um, and, uh, or not, I don't know. I don't want to talk about relationships cause it's like, it's not
18:32a part of my life now. And I don't want to like breathe speculation.
18:37Right. Well, guess what? Your best relationship is with the challenge.
18:40Exactly. And we don't have that much time left with you, but I am curious, does your, has your son
18:44been, like, is he, cause you said he doesn't really care about your TV, uh, life. He's like, who gives
18:50it? He, has he watched you at all?
18:51No, he doesn't care about me being on TV until we're out somewhere in public and someone recognizes me and
18:56then he'll grab my arm and say, that's, he's my dad.
18:58Oh, okay. Well, I do love that. That is very fun at least.
19:01He's literally over there. He's in the room right now. I told him he could play VR while I'm, while
19:05I was doing this.
19:06Oh my gosh. Okay.
19:07I don't know why he would come over here running cause he loves the attention. Don't get me wrong.
19:10Oh, oh my God. Okay. So maybe he's going to be taken after his dad and being a TV star
19:13himself.
19:14No, please. No, I hope not.
19:16I'll say this. Like if, I hope CJ, uh, you know, go be like an astronaut, an engineer or something.
19:25You know what I mean? Don't, don't be me.
19:28It was so nice seeing you on the traders just a little bit ago.
19:30I'm wondering if there's anyone else in the challenge universe who hasn't been on the traders that you would think
19:35would be a great pick for the traders.
19:37Oh, I've said this before. I think, I think Anisha would do really well on traders.
19:43Oh.
19:44Yeah, she would kill it.
19:44I really mean that because she's like, you know, she's an old head like me.
19:49You know, it's like a sister. We grew up together and came through this all, you know, from Philly season
19:52and all that.
19:53And I think that, um, I think she, she was, she'd be made for traders because it's, it's very, um,
20:03it's traders is very political.
20:05And, uh, but also there's a vibe of traders where, yeah, they have challenges and whatnot, but there's always an
20:14aspect.
20:15There's an, there's a variable that I've like, uh, it's luck of the draw. Anybody could win.
20:20And so I like the aspect of that because it's, it's, it's fun and it takes the pressure off and
20:27you can just, it's a crab shoot.
20:29But I also think that, um, I really do believe Anisha would be really good at that round table.
20:35I love that. And on the flip side, is anybody from your season of the traders that you were like,
20:39oh, they would have been so fun this season for the challenge?
20:42I don't know. See, it's, the challenge is a different world.
20:45Yeah.
20:46It really is. Uh, and I'll say this, I know I'm old, but like, it's a, I think it's a
20:51young versus game.
20:52So I don't know if it's not like, I just, I don't, I don't know how people from Disney with
21:01the stars or housewives would translate to the talent.
21:05It's a whole different world.
21:06Don't get me wrong. I think like people from like survivor would do well.
21:09Of course they're gamers or even big brother, but like, I don't think, um, I'll be honest with you.
21:13I, uh, when it came to traders, like a lot of these people, they're, they're, they're, you know, successful in
21:20their own right and their own world.
21:21But, um, when it comes to competition shows, I was lucky enough to be able to do so many of
21:27them.
21:28I'll be honest with you. I did. I feel like I was playing nice on traders, you know, and that
21:31was the reason why I didn't want to be a trader, you know, um,
21:35Well, I'm-
21:36Traders.
21:36Yeah. No, I'm glad that there's a new season of the challenge in the world and that you can be
21:41-
21:41I'll say this. So, um, can you imagine if like Fader was on, on the challenge?
21:48Oh, please.
21:48No, don't piss me off. I gotta be honest with you.
21:50I've seen her dancing with the stars and stuff. I'm like, where was that f***ing footwork when I was trying
21:55to help you across the river?
21:56Oh. Oh my God. That's so funny.
21:59That is so funny.
22:00You know what I mean?
22:00Good question. Yeah.
22:01Black-footed m******a, all of a sudden you're over here, twinkle toes, chick, chicky, boom. You know?
22:05The other day I was saying I would love, like, so they asked me who I would want to go
22:09into an elimination with and I was like, I would have to pick someone who's maybe kind of in the
22:14same, like, body type as me because I don't want to get flung across.
22:17So I was like, I'll pick Zendaya. I think she would be great. I think she's stunning. I think she's
22:21tall. I think she is athletic. I think she's funny.
22:23And I think she's, like, someone that me and her could, like, like I said, body type. I'm like, at
22:27least we'd be, it'd be even. Fair game.
22:29Yeah. Okay. I could see that. I would love to see Zendaya on the challenge, too.
22:32Yes. I feel sure I'd do it.
22:33Yeah.
22:34And I know Tom Holland is, like, a big Survivor fan, so I know, like, maybe he would come on
22:38as well, like.
22:39Yeah. We could make this happen.
22:40That would be amazing. I love that you said Zendaya because you had me thinking another reality star who I
22:45think would maybe throw down, and she's very different than Zendaya.
22:49I was thinking Taylor Frankie Paul from Mormon Wives. I feel like she could let out some aggression on the
22:54challenge.
22:56One punch. We've seen it.
22:58That's true.
22:59We've seen it. So I agree. Oh, my God. That girl would be great, actually. Okay. I think, I don't
23:04think she would take anyone's as we've seen on her shows and stuff. Her mouth would be wild. And I
23:09think she'd be, she would definitely, I think she'd given her all for sure.
23:12I love how you could, like, provide casting with, like, so maybe Zendaya or Taylor Frankie Paul.
23:16That's right.
23:17There really is.
23:18Either or. Either or.
23:20From the challenge experience, what have you learned most about yourself?
23:24Yeah, I think from the challenge experience, I learned to keep my cards close to my chest. I think I
23:33learned to, like, observe a lot more than react. Like, for me, I'm very much an open book. Like, what
23:38you see in person is exactly what you see on reality TV.
23:40I don't change. I don't play a character. So people either love me or hate me. And that's fine. And
23:45I'm very much like an open book. And I think on the challenge for, for part of it, I think
23:51you do, especially coming in fresh, like you do have to kind of keep your cards a little bit close
23:55to your chest and, you know, kind of sit back and observe.
23:57And I think I tried to do that a little bit and then made some calculated decisions on where I
24:02wanted to go. For example, Love Island Games, I think I was just really outspoken very early. So, like, automatically
24:08pick the side and then near the end of the season kind of bit me in the ass, you know,
24:12on where I was with an alliance.
24:15So, yeah, I think I definitely am maturing as I'm going through these shows and kind of understanding how it's
24:21played a little bit more.
24:22We are both so excited to watch the rest of the season and for you to be on the challenge
24:26for forever.
24:27Literally.
24:28I know, me too. I'm hoping, hoping and praying and everyone listens and they want me back too.
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