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Union Home Minister Amit Shah sought to address concerns surrounding the FCRA during an interaction with Christian leaders, while an investigation into the Sambhal riots alleged the violence was the result of a pre-planned conspiracy.
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00:01Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savan.
00:05Battle lines are very clearly drawn over the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act or FCRA Amendment Bill 2026.
00:12News coming in, Union Home Minister Ahmed Shah will lead the charge.
00:18We've been told he's met members of the Christian community in Parliament.
00:23Union Home Secretary Govan Mohan was also present at this crucial meeting.
00:28India today has learned that the Home Minister will put all facts around the FCRA Amendment Bill 2026 in public
00:37domain.
00:38He will bust myths, he'll dispel doubts around the provisions of the FCRA Bill.
00:44In fact, he's listening to stakeholders, he's hearing them and their fears will be allayed, is what sources in the
00:52government are telling India today.
00:53A delegation from Mizoram comprising not just members of the Christian community, but also the Chief Minister of Mizoram met
01:02Home Minister Ahmed Shah.
01:03And they expressed their fears, they expressed their concerns over the FCRA Amendment Bill.
01:09The Chief Minister, after this meeting, told journalists that discussions with the Home Minister were very positive.
01:15The Mizoram Chief Minister said, FCRA discussions are likely to take place on the 12th of August in Parliament.
01:23He said that the Home Minister had assured him provisions of the law will not be applied with retrospective effect.
01:33This was one of the main concerns of the Church and certain other institutions.
01:39So, a memorandum was submitted to the Home Minister.
01:43There are six key demands that have been made.
01:45India today has accessed details of that memorandum and let me just quickly list them out for you.
01:51One, prospective application and protection of vested interests.
01:55Two, FCRA 2026 rules should be implemented with prospective effect and not retrospective effect.
02:02Retrospective application of provisions should not be there in the bill that's submitted, that's stable in the House.
02:09Then, the Church and members of the community are very keen that there must be a very clear distinction
02:18between what are minor lapses and what are serious violations of the law.
02:24So, they've requested the Home Minister to put it in the law that there is a distinction between serious anti
02:31-national activities and minor lapses.
02:35Proven anti-national activities, willful financial fraud that must be treated with and dealt with with stringent measures.
02:42Full force of the law if there is any anti-national activity.
02:46However, if there is a delayed response, if there are clerical errors, if there are certain technical difficulties,
02:56they should be addressed through corrective measures and not punitive measures and no asset seizure in minor lapses.
03:06Compliance mechanism should be simplified.
03:09Compliance should not become a nightmare for entities.
03:13So, they want a very simple compliance measures so that charity is not adversely impacted.
03:21Welfare is not adversely impacted.
03:23Put a fixed timeline for FCRA registration.
03:27Put a five-year renewal application with deeming provisions to prevent administrative delays.
03:33The submission made by the Mizoram delegation reads, and I quote,
03:37The government of Mizoram, together with the church leadership and civil institutions of the state,
03:43remains fully committed to upholding the sovereignty, integrity and constitutional values of India.
03:52At the same time, we urge the Ministry of Home Affairs to incorporate these clarifications and safeguards into the FCRA
04:00framework.
04:01Doing so will ensure that the law remains fair, proportionate and consistent with constitutional principles,
04:09while still achieving the legitimate aim of regulating foreign contribution and safeguarding national security.
04:17A balanced approach will strengthen confidence in regulatory authorities.
04:23It's a very important statement and a presentation that's been made.
04:29Members of the church, members of the community, the chief minister met the union, home minister and delegation of the
04:36Ministry of Home Affairs
04:37and representatives of the Ministry of Home Affairs.
04:39Let's listen in to the Mizoram chief minister before I get you more on the story.
05:03I quickly want to cut across to India today's Piyush Mishra.
05:06Joining us with the latest on this big story, major developments are taking place on the floor of the House,
05:12in Parliament,
05:13you see a lot of acrimony.
05:15But behind the scenes, there is fast-paced activity and very interesting developments taking place.
05:21Piyush, home minister intends to bust myths, put facts in public domain.
05:26So, are we to understand August 12 is the D-Day for the FCRA Amendment Bill?
05:31What's happening behind the scenes?
05:34Well, most likely, Gaurav, sources have confirmed to us that the FCRA Bill will come in this session itself.
05:41Government is very much committed for this.
05:43And Home Minister Amit Shah is himself going to speak on this.
05:48He's going to allay all the fears.
05:50He's going to bust all the myths surrounding this.
05:53Remember that there are various political parties, especially Congress,
05:57who are saying that the government is now trying to recognize each and everything.
06:01But all these myths and, you know, wrong information will be busted.
06:06Government is going to clarify about the kind of amendments those have been brought.
06:11Remember that today, throughout the day, Home Minister Amit Shah has held a meeting with various delegations,
06:17which also includes the delegation which was headed by Chief Minister of Mizoram.
06:21Apart from that, Catholic priests, also heads of various churches from across the country,
06:29even they met with Home Minister Amit Shah.
06:31The meeting went on for around two to three hours.
06:34And in these series of meetings with different delegations,
06:38one thing has been clear that the government wants to allay all the fears.
06:41And the government wants to bring this bill with full commitment.
06:47Home Minister Amit Shah will be in Lok Sabha when this bill is the table,
06:51when the discussion on this bill is happening.
06:53He's also not only going to respond on this,
06:56but will also address all the concerns that will be raised here on the floor of the House.
07:01Very interesting.
07:03We are told Union Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kiran Rijiju,
07:06he's repeatedly reached out to Leader of Opposition in Parliament Rahul Gandhi.
07:10He's also been interacting with other opposition leaders.
07:13So is there forward movement on ending the logjam?
07:16The opposition wanted a special discussion on the use of police during student protests in the national capital.
07:24Has the government reassured them that the Home Minister will speak separately,
07:28or he'll speak on every issue, but on the FCRA bill?
07:32Well, he will address all the concerns that will be raised by opposition political parties.
07:37You could remember that there was one and primary demand of opposition
07:41that Home Minister Amit Shah must come there in Lok Sabha
07:44and must address the concerns of opposition.
07:47That is going to happen very soon when an FCRA bill is discussed in Parliament.
07:53For the same, we have also seen how series of deliberations have happened.
07:57Yesterday also, Kiran Rijiju went with Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi.
08:01Today also, he had a telephonic conversation with Rahul Gandhi.
08:05What we are given to understand from our sources is that Rahul Gandhi has told Kiran Rijiju
08:10that he will get in touch with other allied partners of India Bloc
08:14and then respond to the government.
08:17In fact, he was also of the view that government was on all-party meeting
08:21on the issue of delimitation and that was the stand which was also taken by the Congress Party.
08:27But this time, it seems like Lok Jam is on the verge of end statement is going to be resolved
08:34and most likely we will see a proper discussion in Lok Sabha and that is going to happen next week.
08:41Keep writing that story, Piyush.
08:42I will come back to you for more.
08:44Piyush, Pishra getting us the latest on what's happening behind the scenes
08:48because we see all the action that's happening on your television screens
08:52but behind the scenes also, there's lots of activity taking place.
08:56We'll next week see more action in Parliament in terms of bills being debated and discussed
09:03and not just passed without any discussion.
09:06We'll track that story.
09:07But I now want to show focus to the other big story we're tracking here on India today.
09:11India today now gets you the inside story of the violence that singed Sambhal on the 24th of November, 2024.
09:21I'm going to show you some images of the violence in Sambhal.
09:26We've also accessed that report that says the violence in Sambhal in Uttar Pradesh was not spontaneous.
09:33That violence was pre-planned.
09:35We're not saying this.
09:37This is the conclusion of the Judicial Commission report that exposes the conspiracy behind the communal flare-up
09:43that engulfed Sambhal in Uttar Pradesh in 2024 November.
09:47The report concludes that large quantities of firearms, stones, other weapons
09:54had been stockpiled well before the court-mandated survey of the structure.
10:03Misleading videos and messages relating to the survey were deliberately circulated to inflame passions and mobilize members of a certain
10:15community.
10:16The report concludes that Samajwadi Party member of parliament from Sambhal, Ziaw Rehman Bark and Suhail Iqbal, son of the
10:25Samajwadi Party MLA Iqbal Mehmood,
10:28apparently they played a critical role.
10:31They had a role in mobilizing the crowd before the violence broke out on the 24th of November, 2024.
10:38The report concludes that the Advocate Commission and the team, the survey team of the Archaeological Survey of India,
10:45they faced tremendous resistance when they carried out court-mandated survey.
10:51They weren't doing it on their own.
10:52They had been mandated by court to do so and yet some people tried to obstruct court-mandated survey
10:58and that attempts were made to obstruct lawful execution of court's directions.
11:04The commission has actually endorsed the Uttar Pradesh police version of the events
11:09and not just on the basis of conclusions of hearing police officials,
11:15but relying on forensic reports, on ballistic reports.
11:19The panel has concluded that the four deaths that took place were not because of police firing.
11:25But pellets allegedly fired by members of a violent crowd.
11:32The report credits the police with repeatedly attempting to persuade the crowd to disperse
11:36before violence escalated.
11:38The panel records that officers prevented an attack on the survey team
11:42and records that prompt police action and intervention actually averted a much larger communal flare-up.
11:49The panel also records that 28 police personnel were injured,
11:53several attacked either by a stone-pelting mob or by gunfire
11:59and having their weapons snatched during the clashes.
12:03The violence had broken out on the 24th of November 2024
12:06during a court-mandated survey of Sambal's Shahi Jama Masjid
12:12at the center of a long-running temple-mosque dispute
12:17because the Hindu community has maintained that this was the Harihar Mandir
12:22or the Kalaki Avatar Mandir of Lord Vishnu.
12:25The clashes left four people dead and several, including police personnel, injured.
12:30There was a judicial inquiry that was ordered
12:33and this judicial inquiry was headed by Justice DK Arora.
12:37The report has now sparked a full-blown political showdown
12:41between the BJP and the Samajwadi Party.
12:43The BJP calling it evidence of an organized conspiracy.
12:49The Samajwadi Party has dismissed this report as politically motivated.
12:54We get you more in this report.
13:00For decades, Sambal's Shahi Jama Masjid has remained
13:04at the center of a bitter religious dispute.
13:08Hindus claim it stands atop the ancient Harihar Temple,
13:12a claim rejected by the mosque committee.
13:16On November 24, 2024,
13:19a court-ordered survey of the mosque triggered massive violence.
13:23A mob attacked security personnel with stones and gunfire.
13:28A deadly communal clash left four people dead
13:32and 29 police personnel injured.
13:37The violence led the Uttar Pradesh government to set up a judicial commission
13:41which has now submitted its report.
13:46The panel concludes that the violence was a pre-planned conspiracy,
13:51not a spontaneous outbreak.
13:54According to the report,
13:55the mob pelted stones,
13:57opened fire,
13:58and even snatched police weapons during the clashes.
14:02The commission has named Samajwadi Party MP,
14:06Ziaw Rehman Barkh and the son of an SP MLA,
14:09alleging they orchestrated the violence and mobilized the crowd.
14:13The report also claims that misleading videos about the study
14:17by the Archaeological Survey of India were circulated
14:20and that the ASI team was prevented from entering the mosque during the survey.
14:26It credits the police with preventing an attack on the survey team
14:30and says prompt action averted a much wider communal flare-up.
14:35The panel further concludes that four people were killed in planned firing
14:39by members of the Muslim community,
14:41while 28 police personnel sustained injuries during the violence.
15:09The report has once again put Sambhal on alert.
15:13Rapid response force personnel have been deployed around the Jama Masjid.
15:17Police patrols have been intensified across sensitive areas.
15:22The Samajwadi Party has rejected the commission's findings.
15:26Ziaw Rehman Barkh has dismissed the report as politically motivated
15:30and indicated it would be challenged in court.
15:35SP MP Dimple Yadav has accused the BGP government of raising communal issues
15:40to divert attention from public concerns and polarize society ahead of next year's elections.
15:48It means that the SIT reports have been reported in the report.
15:54It was a few thoughts that were made by the SIT.
15:58But it's been the way that the BGP government of the government has become the report.
16:03And the SIT is not the same thing.
16:06The fact is, it will ensure the correct and the correct and the wrong thing is.
16:30The government has supported the report, saying the findings validate what it had maintained from the very beginning,
16:37that the violence was organized, not accidental.
17:07I don't think anyone should have a problem.
17:13I think that there is no problem.
17:14Sambhal burned on November 24, 2024.
17:17The Judicial Commission has now pointed fingers at those who allegedly lit the communal fire.
17:25Bureau Report, India Today.
17:31Sambhal actually occupies a unique place in the Sanatana dharm, in the Hindu tradition.
17:38It is regarded as the birthplace of the Kalki Aftar or the 10th Aftar of Lord Vishnu.
17:46The Kalki Aftar is the expected 10th Aftar.
17:50Now at the center of the dispute is the Harihar Mandir and the Shahi Jama Masjid.
17:56Historical records, gazetteers and documents cited by the Judicial Commission
18:01actually refer to the existence of the ancient Harihar Mandir at the site where the Shahi Jama Masjid now stands.
18:10The report notes that according to historical accounts, the mosque was actually constructed in 1526.
18:17Remember, 1526 was when Babur invaded India.
18:22That is when the temple was reportedly demolished.
18:26The mosque committee, on the other hand, has consistently rejected these claims and maintains that the structure was always a
18:34mosque.
18:35The Shahi Jama Masjid is also, incidentally, a centrally protected monument under the ASI, Archaeological Survey of India.
18:43Incidentally, it's also enjoyed protection, the protected status since 1920.
18:48According to the Judicial Commission, ASI officials reported facing resistance during an inspection of the monument in June 2024.
18:57And the report concludes that structural modifications had been made to the protected structure over time.
19:05So, this legal dispute gathered pace in November 2024 when a local court ordered the Advocate Commission to conduct a
19:13survey of the premises to examine rival claims,
19:16whether it is the Harihar Mandir of the Kalki Avatar or Vishnu or the Shahi Jama Masjid.
19:23The debate right now is not about the Harihar Mandir or the Shahi Jama Masjid.
19:29That's a matter for courts to resolve.
19:31Today, on this broadcast, we debate the findings of the three-member Judicial Panel and the main findings.
19:38One, sambal violence on November 2024 was the result of a well-planned conspiracy and not a spontaneous outbreak of
19:48violence.
19:48The violence was aimed at obstructing a court-mandated survey of the disputed Jama Masjid or Harihar Mandir site.
19:57The Commission concluded that the conspiracy sought to disrupt lawful judicial proceedings, assert political dominance, discredit the Uttar Pradesh government
20:09and administration.
20:10And this 370-page report has been tabled in the monsoon session of the Uttar Pradesh Assembly.
20:18Now, I quickly want to cut across to Arvind Kumar Jain.
20:21He is the former Director General of Uttar Pradesh Police.
20:24He was a member of the Judicial Commission.
20:26He joins us in just a moment.
20:29Mr. Jain, welcome.
20:31On what basis did the Judicial Panel conclude that sambal violence was a well-planned conspiracy and not spontaneous, sir?
20:40The way crowd collected from nearby districts, they came in trolleys.
20:48They were carrying bricks with them.
20:50And right from the morning in 4-4-35, they started pouring into sambal in huge numbers.
21:00First day when survey was carried out, there was no violence.
21:05But there was a slogan and it was evening, dark, it was getting dark.
21:12So it was advised that the commission should conduct the survey, daytime.
21:19Date was fixed.
21:20But that day, police force was busy in Kundarki by-election.
21:25So on the next day, force was provided and arrangements, massive arrangements had been made by police.
21:32But the way the crowd collected, the way they were getting violent, they were raising anti-national slogans all around
21:42the Jama Masjid.
21:44Although several barricades had been put up, several CCTVs had been put up and drones were there, massive police arrangement
21:52was there.
21:52But even then, there were shots in the air and then police realized that firing is being carried out.
22:04And after that, naturally, there was a retaliation from the police side.
22:12Police chased these crowds.
22:15And then they had to resort to aerial firing also.
22:19So we are looking at some of these visuals of the violence and we are putting out a date that
22:23this is 24th of November, 2024.
22:25But Mr. Jain, on what basis did this judicial panel conclude the reported involvement of political leaders of the Samajwadi
22:35Party?
22:35And I believe in your report, you've named some leaders.
22:39What was their involvement, sir?
22:42The legal part was drafted, was dictated by a judge and the district judge, retired district judge, two judges.
22:52I was interested with the task of reporting as to what was lacking in the police arrangement.
23:00There was one IES member with me.
23:03He was supposed to mention what was lacking in the administrative arrangement and what all should be done for the
23:12future.
23:12So that such incidents don't take place in UTI.
23:16So I have given a long list of suggestions, which I think will be implemented.
23:22And if they are implemented, they will help in controlling such situations.
23:27Were there incendiary speeches made, sir?
23:30And if so, by whom?
23:34From the stairs of Jamaa Masjid.
23:38Actually, the point is that nobody tried to remove the misgivings from the minds of Muslims.
23:45That this is just a survey.
23:47This is not a, this thing, the people are not going to take over the mosque.
23:53There was misgivings that, they say, Masjid shaheed ho jai ki.
24:01SP, DM, they kept on telling that it is simply a survey.
24:05The advocates of the Masjid committee, they were present when the order was passed by the civil judge and commission
24:13was appointed.
24:14They were very much aware of it, that only a survey will be carried out.
24:18And it was made clear to the people many times that nothing is going to be done.
24:23On 24th November, you see, the survey team wanted to measure the depth of the pool.
24:31You can see the pool in the courtyard.
24:34So, some water was, those people were told that we would like that the tank should be empty to some
24:43extent so that they can measure the depth of the pool.
24:46So, when it was being done, now there's numerous threat that digging has started.
24:52Digging has started at Jamaa Masjid.
24:55And now it is being, now it will be taken over by these people.
24:59After that, there was no end to the violence.
25:04And sir, if four people were killed, how were they killed if not in police firing?
25:09How did you conclude that they were not killed in police firing?
25:13After all, police fired, police fired, you say the crowds fired.
25:18How were four people killed?
25:22The post-mortem reports, they make it clear.
25:25The FIIs, which were lodged by the family members, it is nowhere mentioned that the firing has been carried out
25:32by police.
25:33And from police firing, their children have died.
25:36They have said that antisocial elements fired.
25:39In the post-mortem reports, pallets are of 315 more.
25:43Police doesn't use that weapon.
25:45Police was very, very, very far off from the distance, very, very far away from the place where that bullet
25:53struck those people.
25:55Police was not there within 50 meters, 70 meters, because it was surrounded by thousands and thousands of people.
26:02So it's absolutely clear.
26:04And the forensic science laboratory team of scientists, they visited the spot.
26:09They carried out the survey and they have pointed out that firing has been done from the rooftops.
26:15And nowhere the police was on the rooftop.
26:18There were only people, local people were there, and hundreds and hundreds on all the roofs.
26:23So police was nowhere in picture.
26:26And firing was carried out on police and aiming them, aiming SP, aiming his PRO, aiming the other additional SP,
26:35CEO and others from the rooftops.
26:38So it's absolutely clear.
26:39And people of Sambhal, they are also aware of it.
26:42Fair enough.
26:42Sir, I want you to stay on with me because I now want to throw it open for a wider
26:46discussion.
26:47Join me on this broadcast are Anila Singh, spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party and Anurag Badoria, spokesperson of the
26:53Samajwadi Party.
26:55Welcome.
26:56Anurag Badoria, your party leaders and workers are now being accused of deliberately spreading misinformation that inflamed passions.
27:05Leaders, sir, are expected to calm nerves.
27:09This report can now submit in the monsoon session.
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27:37I'm going to say that the government is going to run through the government.
28:07What is it that you'd like to promote.
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28:46but you have put a bad idea that is also a judicial panel
28:51if you had a bad idea when your party was made a judicial panel
28:55then you have put a bad idea or because there are findings in your opinion
28:59then you have put a bad idea
29:01but because you have put a bad idea
29:03Mr. Chen you want to quickly respond to them saying
29:07that this panel is biased towards the government
29:10Sir you have put a wrong answer so they will give you a question
29:12I will give you a question
29:13Mr. Chen
29:15No, you have put a bad idea
29:18you have put a bad idea
29:19No, no, no, no, I have put a bad idea
29:21I want to clarify Mr. Chen
29:24I have served with Mr. Yogi
29:28I was DGP when Mr. Akhilesh Yadav was Chief Minister of the Union
29:34I was given the task
29:36I was not aware that I am being made a member of the Judicial Commission
29:40In the night I was informed that you have been made a member of
29:44some of the Judicial Commission
29:46I said I will do the justice
29:47I will report whatever the facts are
29:51and whether proper police arrangements, proper administrative arrangements were made or not
29:56and what all should be carried out
29:58I have given report on these two points
30:01the legal part has been reported by Mr. Justice Arora and retired district judge Mr. Brijesh Kumar
30:10but because I am part of the commission that's why because you asked I am giving you a reply
30:14fair enough
30:16fair enough
30:18Anirag Bhaduraya wants to give a clarification
30:20Anirag ji
30:23I will do the same
30:25I will do the same
30:25I am saying that Jain Saheb is DGP
30:28in the police
30:30Yes
30:30and when Mr. Akhilesh Yadav was the director of DGP
30:40when Mr. Akhilesh Yadav was the director of DGP
31:19I will do the same
31:28Anila Singh respond, Samajwadi Party says this report is tailor-made to suit the BJP politically
31:38at a time when they are in trouble on the alleged temple donation theft case.
31:46Ram Ram to all. And Gaurav, I have a simple question to you. Please answer me that. Time
31:54and again, we talk about Chandachori. Please tell me and just increase my knowledge. Was
32:02there any post holder of BJP organization in trust, Ram Mandir Trust? Or is there any minister
32:12from Bharti Jinta Party or NDA family in the trust of Ram Mandir? You will say no. So
32:17when Bharti Jinta Party karikarta, Bharti Jinta Party post holder, Bharti Jinta Party minister,
32:24none of them are part of trust. They cannot accuse us that we are indulged or involved in any
32:31sort of Chandachori. Investigation is on and we should wait for that. Time and again, they
32:35keep on saying, Arre, Bharti Jinta Party ne Chandachori karli. What do they think? That people
32:40do not understand what crap you are talking about. So now coming back to the story, which
32:44we are discussing today.
32:46So Gaurav, the judicial report on the sambal violence isn't just an inquiry. It is an indictment
32:52of Samaj Wadi party, which is being headed by a halal Hindu Akhle Shadav's politics of appeasement
32:59and lawlessness. When a civil court ordered a peaceful survey of a protected monument, who
33:05spread fake news to misguide the local community, who raised mob slogans to intimidate court officials
33:12and law enforcement, the judicial commission has named them clearly. Samaj Wadi party leaders,
33:19local representatives and the ecosystem. Over 28 police personnel were injured. Seven suffered
33:27gunshot wounds and public property was torched. Vitals were torched. Yet our Uttar Pradesh administration
33:35maintained strict restraint and ensured that law and order was restored. Let me add just
33:42just one more point here. Anurag Bhadawarya Ji ne kaha ki ki kya yi jummye wari nahi thi
33:47wahaan ke Prashasana ki ke dekhte ki patther khahte na hohreh hun. Ya is prakare ki joo
34:22So, let me tell you here very clearly.
34:29I can explain if you want.
34:56I can explain if you want.
35:32Okay, but the very pertinent point, a very pertinent point has been raised about police arrangements, sir.
35:40You went into police arrangements.
35:42Anurag Bhadoria raises the point.
35:44What were the police doing?
35:45Why didn't the police know that stones were being put together on rooftops, you know, had been collected on rooftops,
35:52allegedly by the mob or Molotov cocktails or petrol bombs or country-made weapons were being brought in?
35:58How did the crowds come?
35:59Wasn't this an absolute police intelligence failure, sir?
36:03No, no.
36:04On the first day of the survey, there was no violence.
36:08There was a slogany and because it was getting dark, the advice was given that a commission should discontinue the
36:17survey and they should carry it out in the morning.
36:20With the consent of all the people, with the consent of Jamaa Masjid people, the survey was carried out on
36:2624th November.
36:28The date was fixed and the police was there, massive arrangements were there, but they didn't expect that hundreds of
36:36prolleys will come from neighboring districts.
36:38And so many people have come to sambal in the night, in the intervening night.
36:47They were not expecting this kind of violence at all.
36:50So this was an intelligence failure.
36:53This was an intelligence failure.
36:55Anurag Bhadoria wants to come in on this aspect because Anurag Bhadoria is saying that the sambal was spreading again
37:03and again,
37:03the sambal was spreading again and again, and the sambal was spreading again and again,
37:10and the sambal was spreading again and again,
37:10they will not become one of the ayodians.
37:14They were giving us the same language.
37:16And the trolleys were people, and the people were coming in on this.
37:19Anurag Bhadoria.
37:21Kamal says that he's been doing the same thing.
37:22He is also living in the DGP.
37:24It is just like being the same thing, sir.
37:26In the evening, there was a trolley, a people coming in, and the police were coming.
37:31The intelligence department was waiting for it?
37:59I don't know.
38:02and the police didn't know it, it was just a matter of time.
38:05Now you have a new new shape, so I wanted to go to Anila Singh.
38:08But Mr. Jain, would you want to respond that
38:11how could all this happen and the police not know?
38:14No, no, police was aware that something is cooking up.
38:17That's why very massive arrangements had been made.
38:20RAF had been deployed, police forces had been called
38:23from the neighboring districts, neighboring districts were alerted.
38:27Actually, if you see that area,
38:29Lahori Inteh, Lahori Inteh jo hoti hain chhotruti,
38:32unke tute vye makaan hai, chaaro taraf.
38:35So you can just take out a number of bricks from them
38:38and you can throw at the police.
38:40Very, very, very congested lanes leading to Jamaa Masjid.
38:46So this car, which is being shown now,
38:49it belongs to a Muslim gentleman.
38:51It belongs to a Muslim gentleman.
38:53He gave me the vivid description
38:55that who all were involved in it.
38:57He said, honestly, my car, new car, new car has been burned.
39:01So there was no sense in arson
39:04because the mosque was not going to be taken over.
39:09Simple survey was being conducted.
39:13Fear mongering, you say.
39:14Fear mongering by certain leaders.
39:16Fear mongering.
39:17Okay, Anila Singh, sir, I have to ask Anila Singh,
39:21because UP Congress Chief Ajay Rai,
39:24he has questioned the role of intelligence agencies,
39:27as does Mr. Anirag Bhadori on this broadcast.
39:29If it was a well-planned conspiracy,
39:32this actually reflects very poorly
39:34on the Uttar Pradesh police intelligence gathering system.
39:37Does the BJP government in Uttar Pradesh accept
39:42that the administration failed
39:43to anticipate this mass mobilization,
39:46despite the commission concluding
39:48that the violence was pre-planned, madam?
39:50See, it is so unfortunate
39:51when I see opposition accusing
39:54the judicial commission.
39:57All right.
39:58So I have a simple question
40:00that do you respect the constitution
40:02and the judiciary?
40:03Only when the court decision suits you,
40:06your narrative,
40:07and if they give a narrative
40:09in the favor of the plaintiffs
40:10or plaintiffs who are standing with the Hindus,
40:15then you have a problem.
40:16A commission which gives a report
40:18and tells the Samajwadi party leaders,
40:22they were involved in these riots,
40:27then you have got a problem.
40:28See, it is very, very clear.
40:30It was a pre-planned conspiracy.
40:32This report has exposed opposition's narrative
40:35on police,
40:36violence against police.
40:38Names are clearly given
40:39that how Samajwadi party was involved in it.
40:42And definitely,
40:43and finally,
40:44one more thing,
40:45just now.
40:45No, no, no,
40:46I have to say one thing here,
40:47Bauram,
40:47very clearly.
40:48Andra Bhaudhariya ji has said
40:49that it's not sanitized,
40:50it's not sanitized.
40:51If there is a good state
40:53of 80-20,
40:54it's the same.
40:5680%
40:57which is open,
40:59it's the same people
40:59who are the people
41:11who are supporting this.
41:19But if you have a judicial commission saying that, you have to say something about that, sir.
41:29I would like to ask you, now BJP says that 84% of people live in the village.
41:36So, who were the people who were the people who were the people who were the people who were the
41:39people who were the people who were the people?
41:40He said that those people would give them, they would give their people if their people were Karen can perform
41:51theircraft patterns in society.
41:55So, we have a fazendo-joy about the people who were a religious and EVERYBODY supposed to be.
42:10We have relationship with society too.
42:10I have told you that there were people who were there.
42:14In the streets, the trees are hidden.
42:17Today, my debate is about the samba party and the people who have been given the truth.
42:23If you don't want to talk about the party party,
42:25if you don't want to talk about the party party,
42:27I don't want to talk about it. Fair enough.
42:29Fair enough.
42:31I don't want to talk about it.
42:35I don't want to talk about it.
42:43Now let us see what is the next course of action that is taken Mr. Jain, Anila Singh and Anirag
42:49Bhadoria for joining me here on India First.
42:52Many thanks. We'll track the story very closely.
42:54I now want to shift focus. I want to take you across the line of control to Pakistan-occupied Jammu
42:58and Kashmir
42:59and of course across the border to Pakistan where their interior minister has reiterated,
43:03Mohsen Nakwe has reiterated, Pakistan's systems have collapsed second time in one week.
43:11The interior minister says Pakistan has collapsed.
43:13Nakwe is a close aide and relative of Field Marshal Asim Munir
43:19and he's predicted by many to replace Shahbaz Sharif as Prime Minister
43:23and that Asif Ali Zardari may be replaced because Asim Munir wants to become the President of Pakistan.
43:29Mohsen Nakwe says the system that's in place for the past 80 years has been destroyed.
43:34It is not functioning. Had it been working, Pakistan would have reached greater heights.
43:39Nakwe hit out and hit back at Pakistan's Defence Minister Khwaja Asif
43:44who asked the interior minister to start reforms by making changes in his own ministry and performing.
43:50I'll get you more on the story but just quickly listen in to Mohsen Nakwe.
44:16So Pakistan is virtually burning on all fronts.
44:19Right now there's a fresh fire not just in Karachi but also in Islamabad and close to Rawalpindi.
44:25Imran Khan's supporters are being lathi charged and beaten up in Pakistan for demanding his release.
44:31He's been in jail for three years now.
44:33In fact, his sister Aleema Khan says there's a conspiracy to keep Imran Khan in jail even longer.
44:39She's unhappy with the release march.
44:43Imran Khan, a march to get Imran Khan released.
44:45That's been announced for September 29th.
44:48She says Imran Khan's release is deliberately being delayed.
44:52Listen in.
45:15Many blame Asif Munir.
45:16They say he's pressed the self-destruct button.
45:18I quickly want to bring our guest on this broadcast.
45:20Javed Badar is former media advisor and coordinator for Imran Khan's Pakistan Tehriqe Insaaf.
45:26He joins us from Pakistan.
45:27Colonel Rohit Dev is a well-respected geopolitical analyst who joins us on this broadcast.
45:31Javed Badar sahab, Imran Khan,
45:33kya kabhi jail se niklenghe?
45:35Yeh joh, unko nikalne ke liye long march ki baat ho rhee hai.
45:38Yeh ab sitamber 27 yaa 19th ko kuyo hooghi?
45:41Abhi kuyo nahi?
45:41Javed Badar sahab,
46:18Javed Badar sahab,
46:20Javed Badar sahab,
46:41Javed Badar sahab,
47:11Javed Badar sahab,
47:20Javed Badar sahab,
47:33Javed Badar sahab,
47:36Javed Badar sahab,
47:37Javed Badar sahab,
47:48Javed Badar sahab,
48:19Javed Badar sahab,
48:20Javed Badar sahab,
48:20Javed Badar sahab,
48:43Javed Badar sahab,
48:45Javed Badar sahab,
48:55Javed Badar sahab,
48:57Javed Badar sahab,
48:58Javed Badar sahab,
49:28foreign
49:37foreign
49:50So everyone did not have to leave.
49:52They were leaving, leaving, and leaving.
49:56So everyone did not want to leave.
50:00So everyone has a significant impact on Pakistan.
50:04Do not leave.
50:06I don't know what Pakistan is doing.
50:09We are looking at the outside.
50:12We are looking at the Azad Kashmir.
50:14We are looking at the Pakistan Occupy Jumbo Kashmir.
50:16We are looking at people from here.
50:18We are seeing violence in Baluchistan, your PTI workers, Kharachi, Islamabad, Khayyabar Paktounkhoa, I have heard that a lot of
50:28people are going to kill me.
50:29Is there a real reality in Pakistan?
51:06The ground reality in Pakistan is virtually burning on every front, whether it's Baluchistan, Khayyabar Paktounkhoa, Sindh,
51:16Pakistan, Punjab province now sees that unrest and POJK on fire?
51:21Pakistan is in a war, Pakistan is in a war, Pakistan has been in a war for three years, we
51:26are fighting against the Khayyabar Paktounkhoa,
51:29we are now becoming a front line with Afghanistan, what is happening in Baluchistan is in your opinion.
51:38Sir, your front line is now in Islamabad, Colonel Rohit Dev, your comments.
51:43I think there are two or three things to look at.
51:47One is this call for the 18th amendment through the mouthpiece of Munir, which is Mr. Nakvi,
51:52is actually targeting Punjab and Sindh, which is the stronghold of the Sharif family and the Bhutto family.
51:58I think that could be a unification factor when it comes to even Imran Khan in the future,
52:03because it is a direct kind of an assault being built up through a very minor narrative currently,
52:08but I think it will grow as Munir sees it.
52:10The second is only one person can look at Pakistan and save it.
52:15That happens to be from the United States of America.
52:17And if they actually try to get any semblance of democracy back in Pakistan, now is the time.
52:24I am not too sure if India is interested, because India is a very big power,
52:27because when we negotiate, even with the FTA part, we can negotiate, but we don't want to.
52:32He just said that there will be an Operation Sindhur 2.0, you know, that fear in Pakistan of Prime
52:39Minister Narendra Modi doing a Sindhur 2.0 looks very real.
52:44It is real, Gaurav. It is real.
52:46Pakistan should always remember here on that any misadventure, you heard the previous chief as well.
52:53You were there that morning on 16th May in my interview with him.
52:55And you will hear more with the current chief as well.
52:58We make no bones, whether it's 2.5 or 3.5, you know, we have to fight.
53:03But Pakistan is something which we don't want to fight because it's a retarder.
53:07But given the current condition of Pakistan, the military condition, the political condition, the economic condition,
53:13if India had an adventurous spirit, we would actually nail Pakistan right now.
53:17But we don't want to be, you know, embroiled there.
53:18We see a huge economic prospect of our growth of our own country.
53:22And this country is not for us to even see on maps.
53:25When I go to a lot of consultations these days with the think tank,
53:29we don't want to even talk about Pakistan because it is no more a country worth our time.
53:33No, I want to talk about Pakistan because you must know what's happening on the other side of the hill.
53:37You must know what's happening to your enemy so that you're very well prepared to deal with the situation.
53:43You know, inward looking, India is never a good idea.
53:45You must always be outward looking and deal with threat at source.
53:50Javed Madarsap for joining me here on India Today and Karl Rohit Dev.
53:53Many thanks.
53:53Pakistan, and I want to show you that map full frame for just one moment.
53:57Pakistan is burning on every front.
54:00Pakistan is burning and how.
54:03A quick break.
54:04News and updates continue on India Today.
54:07Stay with us.
54:08That's that Pakistan map.
54:09Look at that burning in Gilgit, Baltistan, POJK, Khaybar Pakhtoorkwa, Balochistan, Sindh,
54:15and now trouble in Pakistan's Punjab province.
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