00:05In the day 9 of the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:11the cross-examination of defense by NBI Director Melvin Matibag.
00:16The defense is not to be able to use the context of the pahayag and aksyon.
00:24Nabasehan ang NBI sa sinasabi nilang pattern of violence umano ni Duterte.
00:30Mula sa Senado, nakatutok live, si Sandra Aguinaldo. Sandra?
00:38Mel, buong mga hapon nga po binuno nitong si NBI Director Melvin Matibag
00:44ang pagtatanong ng abogado ni Vice President Sara Duterte at mga Senator Judges.
00:49Doon nga po sa pagtatanong ng depensa ay pinalutang yung kanilang punto
00:56na nasa konteksto nga ba yung mga pangyayari na ginagamit ngayon laban sa BICE.
01:06Sa pagpapatuloy ng cross-examination ng abogado ni Vice President Sara Duterte
01:11kay NBI Director Melvin Matibag, sinubukan nitong tibagin ang sinasabi ng prosecution
01:18na pattern of violence ni VP Sara.
01:21Ipinalabas nila ang video na maglalagay daw ng konteksto sa kanyang sinabing gusto niyang tanggalin
01:27ang ulo ng Pangulo.
01:29Ang kinuwento ng BICE ang nangyari raw sa isang PMA graduation na dinelohan nila
01:34ni Pangulong Marcos, nang hingin daw ng isang graduate ang relo ng Pangulo.
01:39Inulit ng bata, louder this time.
01:43Mr. President, can I have your watch as a graduation gift?
01:49Ang sagot niya,
01:53Why?
01:55Why will I give you my watch?
01:58At that point,
02:02isakit na ako,
02:04because I'm feeling very well,
02:07Nandunin lang ako.
02:09Nakakatayo ako dun kasi nagkamot ako.
02:14Gusto ko,
02:15ang galing mo,
02:16ulo na ba?
02:23I realize,
02:25toxic na yung
02:26relationship.
02:29Didn't VP Sarah say her statements in jest?
02:33I cannot go into the state of mind of the Vice President.
02:37And precisely,
02:39the reason why,
02:40doon sa pattern of violence,
02:42kasama po talaga yan,
02:43yung pag-idigong consider natin.
02:46I understand
02:47her disgust doon sa nangyari,
02:49but probably,
02:50pag pinagsama-sama po,
02:52yung aming pong investigasyon,
02:54mga aming napanood,
02:55kasama po yan,
02:56doon po namin na-establish
02:58yung isa doon sa limang factors
03:00na pattern of violence.
03:01Didn't you take VP Sarah's statement
03:03out of context?
03:05Mahira po,
03:06para sa aming law enforcement,
03:08na yung ganyang mga statement
03:10ay aming pong babaliwalayin.
03:12Katunayan,
03:12alam naman po natin,
03:13kahit nga biro,
03:14alimbawa po,
03:15yung bomb joke nga po sa
03:17sa aeroplano,
03:18hinuhuli natin.
03:19Sa aming po sa law enforcement,
03:20we have to give
03:22credence to that
03:23and i-process po namin.
03:24Sa pagtatanong ng depensa,
03:26pinalutang din
03:27ang panig ng bise
03:28sa kanyang panununtok
03:30sa sheriff
03:30nung mayor pa ito
03:32ng Davao City
03:33na nangyari
03:34sa gitna ng planong demolition
03:35ilang araw matapos
03:36ang flash flood
03:37sa lunsod
03:38noong June 2011.
03:39Are you aware that
03:42it involved a flash flood?
03:44This incident happened
03:46after a flash flood
03:47in that particular community?
03:49Hindi po lumabasya sa Marina.
03:51If you know.
03:52I have no knowledge of that.
03:53The demolition that you mentioned
03:56involved the demolition
03:58of informal settlers
04:00in that area?
04:02Opo.
04:02Kaya po may order of eviction,
04:04ibig sabihin po,
04:05informal settlers po yung...
04:06Are you aware that
04:0730 people died
04:08during that incident?
04:10I have no knowledge of that.
04:11So, in other words,
04:13are you also aware that
04:16it was the sheriff's refusal
04:19to provide that
04:20two-hour extension?
04:21That's why VP Sarah got...
04:23Well, that is the claim
04:24of the then mayor.
04:25If you know only.
04:26If you know.
04:28I have no knowledge of that.
04:29Na talakay din
04:30ang naunang sinabi ni Matibag
04:32na merong investigasyon
04:33ng NBI ngayon
04:34tungkol sa sinabi
04:36ni Mayor Bacet Duterte
04:37sa isang rally
04:38na iniuugnay ng NBI
04:41sa sinabi rin ng BICE.
04:43Isang ulo lang naman
04:44ang kailangan namin.
04:45Ang ulo ni Bongbong Marcos!
04:47Tanong ng Depensa,
04:49hindi ba raw saklaw ito
04:50ng freedom of expression?
04:52Sabi ni Matibag,
04:54kung labag sa batas,
04:55hindi ito saklaw
04:56ng freedom of expression.
04:57Unless we are under
04:58martial law again,
05:00Mayor Bacet should be able
05:01to freely express
05:02his dissent to the government.
05:04Unang-una,
05:05tama naman po kayo,
05:06wala namang martial law ngayon
05:07at pwede naman pong magsalita
05:09but the freedom of expression
05:10has limitation also
05:12kung ito po ay
05:13nagbabiolate na ng batas.
05:14Did he directly urge
05:16the people
05:16to overthrow the government
05:18in that rally?
05:19Ang sinabi po niya
05:20base sa aking testimonya
05:21ay isang ulo lang
05:22ang gusto namin.
05:24Tanong naman
05:24ni Sen. Panfilo Lacson,
05:26bakit hindi inimbestigahan
05:28at kinasuhan din
05:29si Mayor Baste?
05:30Sagot ni Matibag,
05:31patuloy ang investigasyon
05:33kaugnay sa posibleng
05:34sa buwatan ng magkapatid
05:36sa pagbabanta sa Pangulo.
05:38Baka mayroong double standard.
05:40Bakit kayo nagfocus
05:41kay Vice President
05:42pero hindi nyo inapply
05:44kay Mayor Baste?
05:45Bakit inimbestigahan nyo
05:46kay Vice President Sarah
05:48at nairefer nyo na sa DOJ
05:50for PI
05:51pero yung kay Mayor Baste
05:53parang unlevel
05:54nasa law enforcement
05:56investigation pa rin.
05:57Sapagkat ang isa pong
05:59dini-develop namin dito
06:00na jury po
06:02is yung sabwatan.
06:03And alam po natin
06:04if we go to court
06:05using the jury of conspiracy
06:07medyo mas mahirap po
06:09na ipasok na kaso
06:10kaya
06:11it's taking much time
06:13to develop the case po.
06:18Binalikan din ang depensa
06:20ang affidavit
06:20ng nagpakilalang
06:21Davao Deck Squad hitman
06:23na si Arturo Lascañas
06:25na witness din
06:26laban kay dating
06:27Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte
06:28sa kanyang kasong
06:29Crimes Against Humanity
06:31sa ICC.
06:33Tanong ng depensa
06:34alam daw ba ni Matibag
06:35na nirekomenda noon
06:37ng Senado
06:38nakasuha ng perjury
06:39o pagsisilungaling
06:40si Lascañas?
06:42Nilinaw naman ni
06:43Sen. Judge Panfilo Laxon
06:45na hindi natuloy
06:46ang pagsasampan
06:47ng kasong perjury
06:48kay Lascañas
06:48dahil umamin ito
06:50kalaunan
06:50sa gawain ng Davao Deck Squad.
06:53So, in fact,
06:54this is the same Lascañas
06:55who was charged
06:57by the Senate panel
06:59led by then
07:00Sen.
07:01and still Sen.
07:03Panfilo Laxon
07:04with a recommendation
07:05for perjury.
07:07Is he not?
07:09Hindi ko po nabalitaan niyo.
07:11You mentioned
07:12na pinapaniwalaan niyo
07:13na siya ngayon
07:14as clarified by the chair.
07:16So, are you saying
07:17that pinapaliwalaan niyo
07:18na ngayon
07:18without issuing
07:20a subpina
07:20to Lascañas
07:21and verifying it
07:23with him?
07:24Hindi po nag-issue
07:25ng subpina
07:26kay Lascañas
07:27pero meron pong
07:28naging verification.
07:29Nauna nang sinabi
07:31ni Matibag
07:31na meron na silang
07:32persons of interest
07:33dito
07:34at aabuti
07:35ng tatlo hanggang
07:35anim na buwan
07:36para mas maging
07:37malinaw ito.
07:38Tanong ng Depensa,
07:40hindi ro'y
07:40nag-iimbestiga
07:41ang NBI
07:42para mag-file muli
07:43ng impeachment case
07:44laban sa BICE?
07:45The betrayal
07:46of public trust
07:47as the issue
07:48in the impeachment court.
07:50We don't need
07:51to investigate
07:51even if we
07:52pinpointed
07:54the person
07:55contracted.
07:57Because the point
07:58being is
07:58the betrayal
08:00of public trust
08:01was already
08:02been consummated
08:03when she
08:05publicly admitted.
08:07There is already
08:07an admission
08:08that she contracted
08:10a killer,
08:11a mamamatay tao
08:12or assassin
08:13to kill
08:14the president
08:15and that itself
08:17is already
08:17an admission
08:18at sinabi pa niya
08:19pumayag na
08:20yung kinausap
08:21kung mamamatay tao.
08:22May we ask
08:23Your Honor
08:23that it be
08:24stricken
08:24of the record
08:25Your Honor.
08:25The motion
08:26to strike off
08:27is denied
08:27let the answer
08:28of the witness
08:28remain in the records.
08:29Pinuto rin
08:30ng Depensa na
08:31iniimbestigahan
08:32ng NBI
08:32ang sinasabing
08:33banta sa buhay
08:34ng Pangulo
08:34pero hindi raw
08:35iniimbestigahan
08:36ang umanay
08:37banta sa buhay
08:38ng BICE.
08:39Sagot ni Matibag,
08:40ininibitahan
08:41naman daw nila
08:42ang BICE sa NBI
08:42pero hindi ito
08:44nagpa-unlock.
08:45Nakita rin daw
08:45ng NBI
08:46na hindi rin
08:47nagpupunta
08:48ang BICE
08:48sa imbestigasyon
08:49ng Kamara.
08:50Gitning niya
08:51nasa mandato
08:52ng NBI
08:53na protektahan
08:54ang buhay
08:54ng Pangulo.
09:00Matapos nga po
09:02ang cross-examination
09:03ay hindi na
09:04nagtanong muli
09:04ang prosecution
09:05kay Matibag
09:06at tinapos na po nila
09:08ang pagtalakay
09:09sa Article 4
09:10o yung sinasabing
09:11grave threats
09:12ng BICE
09:13laban sa Pangulo.
09:14Mel?
09:15Maraming salamat
09:16sa iyo,
09:16Sandra Aguinaldo.
09:20na pagtalakay
09:21sa iyo,
09:21na pagtalakay
09:21sa iyo,
09:21sa iyo,
09:21sa iyo,
09:22sa iyo,
09:22sa iyo,
09:22sa iyo.
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