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Washington Commanders Reporter Liam Griffin from The Washington Times joins The Kevin Sheehan Show to give a Commanders’ training camp preview with it being a week out and what we will learn about the team throughout training camp going into the NFL season.
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00:00So, rookies, end of the week, actual first practice, a week from tomorrow out in Ashburn.
00:09And eight weeks from today, we'll have one game in the books and be looking forward to a week two
00:15showdown in Dallas.
00:17I actually really love the way the season starts.
00:21It's brutal on paper.
00:23You never know how it'll play out when you get there.
00:26But at Philly and at Dallas in two sort of highlighted late window 425 p.m. games on Fox to
00:36open up the season, we're going to know a little bit about this team for sure.
00:42And then, of course, it's coming home to play the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks in week three before heading
00:49to London.
00:50We'll be there before we know it, and one gentleman who will be covering all of it starting later this
00:57week and beyond is our next guest.
01:00Liam Griffin covers Washington's football team for the Washington Times at by Liam Griffin on X on Twitter.
01:10So, we haven't talked in a while, so I'll start with the conversation that has dominated for a lot of
01:17fans of the team over the last month, month and a half.
01:20And that is, what are they going to do at wide receiver?
01:24Are they going to stick with what they have, Liam?
01:28Or do you think they'll end up adding to that room before we get to the opener in Philadelphia?
01:36Yeah, it's a good question.
01:38It has been the number one topic on fans' minds, almost to a hair-pulling extent of the constant conversations
01:45about Brandon Ayuk, who is not on this football team.
01:48It's under contract for the 49ers still, and they have no incentive to drop him.
01:54And so, you can look at the what-ifs of, well, if Ayuk was a free agent and there wasn't
02:00all the weird off-the-field social media stuff,
02:02I think he would already be on the team.
02:03He would already be getting worked into the offense.
02:06But as is, we're kind of forced to take Adam Peters and Dan Quinn and David Blau at their word
02:12when they say that they feel comfortable with the wide receivers that they have in that room right now.
02:18And on paper, it's a little bit unproven.
02:22So, you obviously have Terry McLaurin at the top of the depth chart there.
02:26And after that, it's not necessarily a weak room, but there are questions.
02:31There are questions of, can Antonio Williams come out and produce immediately as a rookie?
02:36Can he produce inside and outside?
02:38Is he going to be reserved for the slot?
02:40And can you find some kind of outside threat opposite from McLaurin in the form of De'Ami Brown or
02:47Traylon Burks or Van Jefferson, who had a really, really strong off-season program?
02:52And so, as things stand right now, I think when we open camp and probably when we open the preseason,
02:58that's going to be the wide receiver room that they run with.
03:02And at this point, I still think it's probably more likely that if somebody gets added to that room, either
03:08because of injury or a lack of development or just a lack of pitch, I think it would probably be
03:13Stephon Diggs before Brandon Ayuk at this point, just because of the availability of everything.
03:20Yeah, look, the Ayuk part has been a big part of the conversation.
03:25And I believe, and I'm not sure if you believe this as well, I think if we, you know, turn
03:29the clock back six, seven weeks, the chances were pretty high that he was going to end up on this
03:35roster eventually.
03:38But now, you know, what's transpired over the last five weeks on social media, et cetera, I think the chances
03:45are slim and none.
03:46Always, you know, change can happen.
03:50I mean, he could go on a contrition tour, he could get himself, you know, reactivated, he could somehow impact
03:57his future, but he seems to be, you know, doing nothing to actually, from an action standpoint, affect his outcome.
04:06So, I think the chances are slim and none now.
04:09Where were you, say, seven or eight weeks ago?
04:11And it sounds like where you are now is that's not going to happen.
04:16Yeah, I was always a little bit, you know, apprehensive about this, because I mentioned that when you're looking at
04:24the way this wide receiver room looks now, there's a little bit of projection involved with it.
04:28And on behalf of the commanders, if this is the group you're running with, a little bit of optimism.
04:32And even six, seven, eight weeks ago, when you're looking at potentially bringing Brandon Aiyuk onto this football team, there's
04:41going to be projection with that, too.
04:43Obviously, he has more of a pedigree and has, in the past, established himself more as a top-tier wide
04:49receiver.
04:49But that was almost two years ago now.
04:52And so, throughout that process, you're doing a lot of, you know, a lot of hoping of, well, I hope
04:58the injury isn't still affecting him.
05:00I hope that he's kept in safe and his conditioning is still there.
05:03I hope his head is still in the game and it's not going to be an off-field distraction.
05:07So, I was always a little bit lower.
05:09But, you know, if I were, you know, bent to my head or whatever, yeah, maybe I would have said
05:13that he's probably going to end up on this team at some point.
05:16You know, maybe not before training camp, but before week one so they can get him in.
05:20Maybe he's not a factor week one, but later in the season.
05:22And now, at this point, it's the fact that we haven't seen any indication that Ayuk is willing to take
05:31the next steps that he would have to take to get himself reinstated, to force the 49ers to make a
05:37move either in a trade or in cutting him.
05:40And not only that, he's doubled down on it every step of the way.
05:42He says, I'm never stepping foot in that facility again, you know.
05:46And the Niners have no incentive to trade him because Ayuk has said, I'm only going to play for the
05:51commanders.
05:51That's already my team.
05:53And so, if you're another franchise that might be in the market for a receiver, you're not going to invest
05:58any kind of draft capital in that guy.
06:00And so, I think it's just in a standstill right now.
06:03And until we see some kind of broad change of heart from Ayuk, I can't imagine any kind of setup
06:10that would bring him to Washington this season.
06:14All right, let's talk specifically about the roster.
06:17You think, and I'm with you right now, I think there's a really good chance that we get to week
06:22one and the receiver room is, you know, the six or seven that are on the week one roster come
06:29from the group that they have right now.
06:32Let's focus on the offensive line right now.
06:35Do you think that they kind of rate, in whatever way you want to do it, their confidence level in
06:41Nick Allegretti at center?
06:45Yeah, it's a good point.
06:47And I don't even know where my confidence level is in Nick Allegretti as a center.
06:51He's, you know, pretty versatile.
06:53But I think if you ask 32 NFL teams whether they'd be comfortable with Nick Allegretti as their week one
06:59center, I don't know if you'd get half the team feeling good about that.
07:03But so if you put it at 10, a 10 is what Laramie Tunsil is at left tackle and, you
07:08know, a zero being an undrafted free agent.
07:10I'm probably somewhere near a six and a half where I think that's going to be a serviceable spot for
07:17Allegretti.
07:18He's shown that he's able to be an NFL caliber offensive lineman.
07:22He's, you know, was on those Chiefs Super Bowl teams.
07:26And center is not a completely foreign position to him.
07:29He's worked those interior offensive line spots before.
07:32And while center is a really key component of any NFL offensive line, he's going to be responsible for all
07:38that communication with Jayden Daniels obviously helping that.
07:41But I think they feel more comfortable with that because of how strong and how confident they feel in those
07:48other spots across the offensive line.
07:51So I already referenced Laramie Tunsil at left tackle.
07:53You can't do much better than that.
07:55That is a complete set and forget.
07:57Give him all the single team.
07:58You feel great about that.
08:00At left guard, they're really comfortable with either Chris Paul or Brandon Coleman.
08:05That's got to be the number one really battle.
08:08That's the unknown right now because they were comfortable losing Chris Paul because in this offense that will probably feature
08:16more zone run scheme and more athleticism, they were probably fine with Brandon Coleman there.
08:24If you were to guess who's the starter at left guard opening day.
08:28Yeah, it's Brandon Coleman for me.
08:29And it's for that exact reason that you mentioned where it's his athleticism.
08:33Chris Paul performed really well.
08:34You will not hear me talking down on Chris Paul.
08:37I think he really broke out last year.
08:39But it's exactly what you alluded to.
08:41They were glad to keep him, but he was not a priority in their offseason plans.
08:45He's a great depth piece there at left guard in case you have issues with Coleman or if you need
08:49to move him to as a swing tackle.
08:52But Coleman's athleticism is really impressive.
08:54And he's coming into that point in his NFL career where you're going to want to see him establish himself
08:59at some point, you know, at some position on the offensive line.
09:02Whereas like you saw Sam Cosney make that move from right tackle to right guard.
09:06And clearly he's really well established and well cemented there.
09:09So for me, I think Brandon Coleman is going to be the week one starter.
09:12And the question for me is, is he able to show enough to hold on to that throughout the season?
09:18In the backfield, I'll ask you a question I've asked everybody the last few weeks.
09:25Who do you think gets the majority of the snaps as the lead back?
09:30Let's just say through the first half of the season.
09:36I think it's going to be so close to a 50-50 split.
09:39And it's going to kind of depend on the game script.
09:41I feel like a little bit of, you know, where they are in these games.
09:45Are they able to jump out to early leads?
09:46I would wager a guess that here's the way I'm looking at it is I feel like the snap count
09:51is going to be really close between Ja'Cory Krosky-Maria and Rashad White.
09:55But I think Ja'Cory Krosky-Maria, especially in the early half of the season, is going to have a
09:59substantial lead in the number of carries.
10:02I think they're going to really look to Rashad White in all those, you know, third and long, third down
10:07situations.
10:08I think he's going to have a lot of opportunities to make plays out of the backfield.
10:11But I think they're going to want to see Bill.
10:14He's going to have the opportunity to establish himself as that lead back who wipes Bill.
10:21It's kind of what they saw in 2024 with the mix between Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler, where you're able
10:26to bring them in in different situations.
10:29But with the system that David Blau is bringing in, they want to marry those run and pass concepts as
10:36much as they possibly can.
10:38So we already know they're going to be under center way more than they used to be.
10:41They're going to be working that play action for shots down the field.
10:44And for that to work to the best of its ability, you need to have somebody in the backfield where
10:50you can't just sit back on your laurels and say,
10:53all right, Bill's in the backfield, so they're not going to throw it because he's not a pass catching threat.
10:57And on the other side, you're not going to want to be, all right, well, Rashad White is back there,
11:01so we can kind of sit back and play the pass.
11:03And so I think they're going to kind of determine quickly whether Bill has done enough this offseason to establish
11:09himself as a pass catcher.
11:11But Rashad White, I think as the season goes on, he has really impressed through the offseason program.
11:18He's probably been the number one offensive player that has kind of jumped off in those, you know, padless reps.
11:24So that snap share is going to be really interesting.
11:28And so early on, I think the carries might favor Bill.
11:32But total snaps, receptions, total touches, I think the edge might go to Rashad White.
11:38Liam Griffin from The Washington Times joining us.
11:40What's Ben Sinnott's role going to be?
11:45I think Ben Sinnott would like to know that as well.
11:48And I am still not giving up on the Ben Sinnott project.
11:53I think that it was just a terrible fit for him and Cliff Kingsbury.
11:58I don't know if there was ever going to be an established role for him in that offense,
12:01especially with Zach Ertz ahead of him on the depth chart.
12:06But what we've seen a little bit of early on in the OTAs, and this is all with a grain
12:11of salt because David Blau and the offense have told us that they have not fully finished installing everything.
12:17That's what the first kind of week of training camp is going to be, is finishing those installs.
12:20But I think Sinnott is able to kind of establish the versatility a little bit more in this offense.
12:29Because you'll have Sharon Conqua, who's a solid pass catcher, excuse me.
12:34And you have John Bates, who's a really solid blocker, one of the best in the league at that position.
12:38And you'll have Sinnott, who can kind of join those two concepts together, kind of in a little bit of
12:43a move role.
12:43And I think you're going to see him more in the backfield.
12:48You know, traditional fullbacks are a lot in the NFL.
12:51But I think you might catch a little bit more events in it, in that almost Kyle Juszczyk-y lead
12:58block outlet passing option.
13:00And he has the hands and he has the skill set to kind of work those downfield routes as well.
13:07You know, working in a wheel route, working in a post or a corner.
13:10Like, I think that he's going to have those opportunities.
13:14And he hasn't said it publicly.
13:16I haven't obviously asked him about it.
13:17But I think there's kind of an understanding that this is going to be a make or break season for
13:22him.
13:22Because you are losing that benefit of the doubt of, well, you're in a Cliff Kingsbury offense.
13:27We're reading the gun 99% of the time.
13:29It's hard for your skill set to shine.
13:32With this David Plow offense, which we're kind of confident that this is going to be a little bit shades
13:38of Kevin O'Connell,
13:39shades of Ben Johnson, make it his own a little bit.
13:42But if Ben Sinek can't make it work in this system, I'm not sure how many more opportunities he's going
13:47to have to make it work.
13:49Give me a player right now.
13:51And the answer could be you don't think anybody's going to emerge.
13:55But give me a player right now that's off the radar offensively for most of us that you think by
14:02the end of camp or early in the season is a much bigger contributor than we're expecting right now.
14:09Do you have one of those players that you think is going that?
14:13I mean, for me, like it's I'm not going to give you the player name right now.
14:16I want to hear what you say.
14:17But it's like the player that they know is going to be a much bigger contributor.
14:21They have a pretty good sense of it.
14:23And we don't know.
14:26Yeah.
14:26And it's almost a cop-out answer because of the draft slot.
14:30But I think Antonio Williams is going really under-discussed in all these conversations.
14:35And I think that's the key for them when we're talking about are they going to bring in somebody?
14:41I think Antonio Williams is going to be the number two wide receiver on this team by the end of
14:46the year in receptions.
14:47And I feel pretty confident in that because of his skill set, because of his kind of polished route running
14:54that he already has.
14:56That fits in so well with this David Blau offense that we're expecting.
15:01And we have seen rookies, especially rookies who are drafted in those mid to late rounds,
15:07we have seen them in the past couple of years in the NFL really be able to establish themselves quickly.
15:13And so I think Antonio Williams is...
15:15His comp, his comp, Amon Ra was, by the time he got to the end of his rookie year, was
15:20a major contributor for Detroit.
15:23Oh, yeah, absolutely.
15:24And you look at Amon Ra St. Brown and Puka Nakua.
15:26Well, I'm not saying he's going to be a pro-holder, all pro-level talent in his rookie year.
15:31But I think some of the size concerns relating to him are a little bit overblown.
15:36I don't think he's going to be reserved to the slot.
15:39I know you mentioned Amon Ra St. Brown comparison as a bit of a, you know, power slot is what
15:44people call it.
15:45I can see that as well.
15:46But I think he'll be able to work a little bit more on the outside than people are expecting,
15:52which means that his target share is going to be there.
15:54He's going to have those routes run, which is such a key metric for receivers to make an impact.
15:59And with Terry McLaurin kind of stealing shades of the coverage, Williams' route running is really going to have an
16:04opportunity to shine.
16:06And I think it just goes so under-discussed.
16:09And so I think by the time week four rolls around, by the time they get back from London or
16:13to the bye week,
16:14I think we're going to be looking at Antonio and be like, all right, well, they hit on that guy.
16:18So that's two receivers down.
16:20See if they can get a third to emerge in the form of Luke McCaffrey or Jalen Lane,
16:24and you feel really confident when this team rolls out in 11 personnel.
16:28No, I like that one too.
16:29And I mean, I think that a lot of people have high expectations.
16:33But you pushed it to he's going to be the second leading pass catcher,
16:37and he's going to be a major presence offensively.
16:40And it may be why they're not super concerned.
16:44And they do speak in very optimistic terms about their current receiver room.
16:50For me, there are two names.
16:52We've already talked about one of them.
16:53But I just liked Rashad White in Tampa.
16:57I thought he was very underrated in terms of his vision as a runner between the tackles.
17:02And I think this scheme will fit him well.
17:05Not to mention he's an experienced pass blocker, pass catcher.
17:09And I also think that there is a chance that Van Jefferson
17:13ends up being a little bit more than most people think.
17:17I always felt with him in Los Angeles that he was better than most people thought.
17:24And he plays bigger than most people realize.
17:29So we'll see.
17:30Let's flip it to the defensive side of the ball.
17:33Of the newcomers, and there are a lot of them as we both know,
17:37give me the defensive player among the newcomers that you feel most confident won't bust.
17:45Because one of these guys, at least one, we're going to look back at the signing
17:50and say, yeah, they got it wrong on him.
17:53There's no doubt that that's more likely going to be the case, at least one of them.
17:57Give me the guy that you feel safely about.
18:01The guy that has, I guess for the lack of a better description, the highest floor.
18:07Yeah, and I won't take the easy answer there.
18:09He said new addition.
18:10So I was like, all right, Sonny Stiles gets that clear with a bullet.
18:13But I think you're referring to the free agent ads in particular.
18:16Yeah, I was referring to that.
18:17Thank you for clarifying.
18:19Yeah.
18:20So I think safety Nick Cross is...
18:23Exactly.
18:23Yeah.
18:24I do think that he's going to be probably one of the key additions to this defense.
18:29And I also think that the blend of scheme fit, which, you know, kind of the word of the day
18:35for us, between him and Durante Jones is crucial.
18:38And I also think it seems to be a really good match.
18:41He's an incredible athlete.
18:43And I think you're going to see that very quickly.
18:45And he's going to have the opportunity to align at different areas of the field and really
18:50flash that athleticism where, you know, again, we do a lot of speculation throughout the
18:56offseason of what these schemes are going to look like.
18:59And so obviously, look at the trees that they came from.
19:02This Durante Jones system has a lot in common with what Brian Flores was running in Minnesota,
19:08which obviously gave this franchise nightmares in December last year.
19:13And Nick Cross is somebody who can bliss effectively, who can drop back into cover well,
19:20who can really be such an incredible chess piece for your group.
19:24And I think he's shown enough at the NFL level where obviously he's not an elite, elite player.
19:30But when you're matching that skill set with this playbook and this scheme, I think that's
19:36a really strong fit.
19:38Whereas, you know, I don't think you're going to look at the Odafe-Owe contract as a poor
19:45choice because you're always going to need edge rushers.
19:48And they kind of attack that position and that defensive line in general.
19:52They kind of attack it in bulk where you're saying, all right, if Owe doesn't work out,
19:56maybe we'll get enough out of Omanehu and Kylvan Chaison to kind of be a viable defensive
20:02line.
20:03But I think pass rushers and edge rushers in particular, outside of that top crop that those
20:12elite perennial Pro Bowl level players, it's kind of hard to predict and project them on
20:18a year-to-year basis and Owe obviously being traded from Baltimore to Los Angeles.
20:22Like he does not have the kind of consistency as an NFL edge rusher that would really make
20:29you feel comfortable to kind of give him that floor.
20:31And then same kind of thing with Leo Chenault where I also love his fit in this defense.
20:36I've kind of questioned in the past whether he's going to kind of adapt the Andrew Van Geekle
20:41role that that linebacker has in Minnesota that is so hard to replicate.
20:45I think time will tell on that, but same kind of thing where you haven't seen him really
20:50establish himself as a down-to-down player.
20:53And so when you start to kind of cross those off, I look to Nick Cross and the investment
20:58they made in him, the way that we expect this setup to use safeties.
21:03I think you're going to have a lot of big nickel setups where you have three safeties on the
21:06field with him and Will Harris and Kwon Martin.
21:09And I think all those skill sets, if things go right, can gel so well.
21:14And even if not, I think that you'll still be looking at the cross as one of the better
21:19players in the secondary.
21:21That's my answer to the question too.
21:23And I haven't asked that question, but that's who I would select too.
21:27Add to everything you said, he is always available and he's a very good tackler.
21:34Um, so I, I think that there's not a lot of downside to that signing.
21:40I think he's going to be a contributor and the floor is the highest on him as well.
21:48So you mentioned Leo Chennault last week on the NFL network and Max, I forget if we played
21:53this or not.
21:54Um, but Leo Chennault indicated that he was the Mike linebacker.
21:59Now I actually don't even know what that means in a three, four base, if that's going to
22:03be their base, cause really you have two inside linebackers.
22:06You don't have a true, you know, Dick Butkus, you know, Mike linebacker.
22:10Nobody's lining up as a, as a second level over the center, um, player typically, although
22:16in the Brian floor system, they line up everywhere.
22:19I mean, it's, it's complete chaos at the line of scrimmage.
22:22But my question to you is, do you think he gave us information that he's going to wear
22:29the green dot, that he's going to be the guy on the field communicating with Durante Jones?
22:35Yeah, I don't, I don't feel that way.
22:38I think, and Dan Quinn has been really not cagey about it, but a little bit coy in saying
22:43like, you know, we want Sonny to, you know, become an NFL player to learn what it's like,
22:48what NFL practices look like and all that.
22:50Um, but he was getting those green dot rips early on.
22:54And I also think he is going to be the play, the defensive player who's on the field for
23:00a hundred percent of the staff.
23:01So hold on.
23:02I want to make sure I'm clear.
23:03You're talking about Sonny styles now, or you're talking about Leo Chanel?
23:07I think Sonny styles is going to be the player who's wearing the green dot.
23:10Got it.
23:11Okay.
23:11Got it.
23:13Absolutely.
23:13Yeah.
23:13And so I think Leo Chanel is, I do think that that his quotes to the NFL network are interesting.
23:18Um, and that how he will deploy versus potentially how Frankie Lou Lou deploys, that is something
23:26that's going to be very interesting to me.
23:28Well, I'm not sure that they're going to be playing the exact same role on this defense.
23:32And so I think time will tell on that, but I think what Chanel is referring to, and what
23:36you kind of alluded to there is in this three, four base, which we expect them to see a lot
23:41to use, you know, primarily a lot more nickel.
23:44It's being used a lot at the base of the NFL, but I think we're going to see them line
23:48up
23:48in that three, four a lot.
23:49And so I think Sonny style is going to be there wearing the green dot.
23:52And I think next to him, I think what Chanel is referring to there is he is going to be
23:57lined up in the middle of that defense as well, coming downhill, you know, working on
24:01his pass coverage.
24:02And so I'm curious if that means that Chanel and Lou Vu are splitting those snaps or if
24:07they're trying to use Lou Vu in, you know, less traditional ways, if they're lining him
24:11up outside, potentially getting him those edge rushing snaps, because we've seen him
24:15do that a bit throughout his tenure in Washington, and it went really well for him in 2024.
24:22And, you know, different members of that defense have alluded to Frankie's pass rushing
24:27ability in the past.
24:28And so that's one of the things that I'm going to be cluing in on a bit as we get
24:32into training
24:33camp and into those preseason games of how does that linebacker group align on a down
24:40to down basis?
24:41And, you know, we're looking at it in a very hypothetical way right now, it could look
24:45completely different.
24:46It could, you know, styles could be wearing the green dot and not lining up in the exact
24:49middle of the field.
24:50We have no idea.
24:51And so that's really what's interesting to me about Chanel's comment there is I'm not
24:55convinced that he will be wearing the green dot.
24:59But I do think he'll be lining up in that, you know, middle linebacker role.
25:04Similarly, you know, that's interesting is who is the if they're not in a big nickel
25:08with a third safety, if they're in a traditional nickel with two linebackers, who is that second
25:12linebacker on a potential passing down?
25:14It's something that's going to be interesting to me of where Lou Vu and Chanel and yeah.
25:20You're going through this and I'm just and I'm thinking to myself, they're there, they've
25:24got I mean, we think they have a lot of options.
25:28I mean, you know, we're not throwing out TJ Watt, Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett and
25:33Will Anderson Jr.
25:34Options or Fred Warner Options on the inside, but they have a lot of options here.
25:39Like just the idea of the first third and long of the season at the Lincoln Philadelphia,
25:44who are the pass rushers on the field will always got to be one of them.
25:49Um, let's not forget that, you know, Dorrance Armstrong might be one of them.
25:55Then you've got chase on.
25:57Then you have potentially what you just described as a role for Lou Vu.
26:02So it, that's going to be that first look, I think one of the Ben, Ben and I were talking
26:09about this yesterday, Liam, this is the season of just so many unknowns because of the two
26:15coordinators, um, being different and all of the new players specifically on defense.
26:21And we're really not going to know until they start playing real games, which is typically
26:26the case anyway.
26:27But until they line it up against Philadelphia on September, uh, 13th, um, we're not going
26:34to know the answers to these, but it's, it's going to be interesting to watch it.
26:37Uh, thank you for doing this.
26:39Yeah, go ahead.
26:40No problem.
26:41Yeah, no, I was just saying it's one of the things that makes this the last point.
26:44It's one of the things I like about their off season approach where they address things
26:47in bulk.
26:48So if, oh, wait, it didn't work out.
26:49You have other options.
26:50You have Dorrance.
26:51It's, you know, coming back from the injury.
26:53It's a little bit more difficult than we're anticipating.
26:55You have chase on.
26:55I'm like, I, I think that's why there's a lot to be hopeful for about this defense.
27:00And if one thing doesn't work out, you have other options.
27:04Yeah.
27:04It's my frustration with some of the fans who say that Adam Peters didn't do enough.
27:08They added more new players through free agency than any team in the league.
27:13And they spent top three or top four money.
27:16Okay.
27:16They didn't land on Pierce.
27:18They didn't land on Dobbs.
27:19They ultimately, you know, got outbid, uh, well by a lot for Linderbaum.
27:24And there are a couple of other examples, but like you said, this defense was so bad last
27:30year and they addressed it in bulk and we'll see how it plays out.
27:35But I do think though, when we get to the end of 26, there will be many of those new
27:42players
27:42that worked out, but there are going to be one or two where we're going to, ah, that was
27:46not worth it, you know, but none of them really are over the top money.
27:51Oh, wait, the, you know, the one guy that got long-term and big money.
27:56Thanks Liam for doing this.
27:58No problem.
27:59Thanks for having me.
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