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00:01Out Front next, breaking news, refusing to answer.
00:04Trump's pick to lead America's intelligence agencies repeatedly refusing to admit that Trump lost the 2020 election
00:09as Trump plans to address the nation about, quote, election security.
00:13And more breaking news tonight in the deadly ice shooting in Texas.
00:17The FBI says an agent found drugs in the victim's van.
00:20Supporters of the victim now accuse feds of a smear campaign and cover-up.
00:24The van was missing for days.
00:25And an update on the grandfather who was tossed in the air by a massive bison.
00:30He's sharing new details about what the bison was doing during that attack caught on video.
00:34Let's go Out Front.
00:38And good evening, I'm Erin Burnett.
00:40Out Front tonight, the breaking news, stonewalling.
00:43President Trump's pick to be the nation's next top spy, Jay Clayton.
00:47Refusing repeatedly to answer a pretty simple question.
00:50A question that, frankly, shouldn't have to be asked.
00:54But it is because the president keeps saying that he has won the White House three times, which he hasn't.
00:59So it forces this basic question.
01:01Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election?
01:05Watch Clayton even choosing to sit in silence at times rather than answer that question directly
01:11and just say, yes, Joe Biden won.
01:15Do you deny that Joe Biden won the 2020 election?
01:20Senator, I'm not an election denier.
01:22Joe Biden was certified as the president of the United States.
01:27I believe he had the most electoral votes.
01:29So he won the election?
01:31He followed our process, had the most electoral votes, was declared the winner.
01:36And who has the most electoral votes?
01:39Is it the person that wins or the person that loses?
01:41I think that's your characterization.
01:43Who won the 2020 election?
01:45You know, I'm not going to do this with you.
01:47Who won the 2020 election?
01:49Like I said, I'm not going to get into that with you.
01:51You refuse to answer a simple matter of fact about the 2020 election.
01:56Is that right?
01:57No, that's not right.
01:58Then answer the question.
01:59Who won the 2020 election?
02:01I have answered the question.
02:01Answer it.
02:02What is your answer?
02:04I've given you my answer.
02:06What is your answer?
02:10You refuse to answer a basic question about who won a presidential election, but you ask
02:17to lead America's intelligence community?
02:20Isn't it humiliating to be unable to answer this question, to have to indulge the president's
02:28delusions?
02:32Of course, you heard the answers there.
02:34You know, that Biden was declared, he was certified, but unable to say that he actually
02:38won.
02:38The closest he got there was to say, I believe he had the most electoral votes, as if that
02:43is something that is a matter of belief, not a fact.
02:46Of course, Jay Clayton is the one Trump has tapped to oversee the nation's intelligence
02:50agencies.
02:50He will lead all 18 of them.
02:53It's a really important job.
02:56Now, Clayton stayed with the script today, perhaps, because he knows that just coming out
03:01and saying, this is a ridiculous question, of course, Trump lost, Joe Biden won, let's
03:04move on here.
03:05Just saying that is a problem for this president.
03:09Just listen to what Trump said about the man who is currently the acting director of national
03:13intelligence, Bull Pulte, a mortgage guy who wasn't able to even move into the confirmation
03:18process in the role because both parties deemed him unqualified.
03:23He's a very smart guy, and you may find out some things about the rigged elections, et cetera,
03:28et cetera.
03:31The person that Clayton will replace is Tulsi Gabbard.
03:34She spent months investigating Trump's conspiracy theories surrounding the 2020 election.
03:39If you recall, she went to Georgia, joining an FBI raid of a county election office.
03:44Now, Trump has been using the intelligence community, as you see from her and also what he
03:49wanted from Pulte to push his false claim of winning an election he lost.
03:54It is a topic with which he is consumed.
03:58I've been right about everything, and I have been for a long time.
04:02That's how I got to be president three times.
04:04That's how I won three elections.
04:05I did very well in the second one, won it.
04:07It was a rigged election.
04:09We won three elections.
04:10I've won three elections.
04:13And those comments, it's not like we're mining distant history.
04:17What you just heard us play there three times is just in the past few weeks.
04:22And now Trump is focused on it again.
04:25Back on June 4th, Trump said his acting National Intelligence Director, Bill Pulte, would look
04:30into the, quote, rigged elections.
04:33And since then, we went through and counted, right?
04:35So just since June 4th, right, past six weeks here, how many times has Trump talked about
04:40rigged elections?
04:40Well, we found at least 18 different instances in interviews or speeches in which he has
04:45done that, some of which you can see here on the screen.
04:48And Clinton was pressed on the president's obsession with these, this baseless claim of
04:55rigged elections.
04:57Is there a problem of voter fraud in this country?
05:00I don't think we can say definitively whether there is or is not until we have better processes.
05:08This all comes as the president is preparing a primetime address to the nation tomorrow.
05:13He says his speech will focus on, quote, free and fair elections, a speech in which he will
05:18almost certainly bring up his bill to overhaul elections, America's elections.
05:23That's the Save America Act that even Republicans have refused to sign on to as they have said
05:29it is too restrictive and discriminatory.
05:32Out front now, Democratic Senator Adam Schiff, and I appreciate your time, sir.
05:36So you saw Jay Clayton's multiple refusals to just come on and take this on point blank,
05:42which takes on new urgency in the context that we just laid out, right?
05:47Trump's giving a speech to the nation that he says is about free and fair elections.
05:51He has said multiple times just in recent weeks, you know, that he's won the White House three
05:55times, that it's a rigged election, right?
05:58This is something that it is an obsession in terms of the frequency with which he is bringing
06:03it up.
06:03What do you think is happening here?
06:06Well, this is a position where it is all the more important to be able to speak truth
06:10to power, to confront the president or members of Congress with unpleasant truths in order
06:15to protect the country.
06:16If Jay Clayton can't say out loud that Donald Trump lost the election and Joe Biden won the
06:21election, can we have any confidence then when push comes to shove, when we need the
06:26straight scoop about threats to our country, that he's going to level with us instead of
06:30merely singing by the president's song sheet?
06:33It also suggests that if the president wants the intelligence agencies to cook up something
06:38to justify voter interference in the midterm elections, that Jay Clayton doesn't have the
06:44backbone to stand up to him.
06:45That may be the most significant consequence because, of course, Tulsi Gabbard didn't have
06:50the backbone to stand up to the president.
06:52There she was in Fulton County, Georgia, where she has no business being during an FBI raid
06:57seizing ballots.
06:59So doesn't harbor well in terms of what Clayton is willing to do or not do if Trump tries to
07:05interfere once again in the next election.
07:06So when he says, I'm not an election denier, and he starts to laugh, is there any part of
07:13you that sees that he's trying to signal to you, I'm not crazy, I get it, I know that
07:19this is all bunk, or you don't see it that way?
07:25No, I think that's a fair reading.
07:27I think this is a way of saying, I'm not one of those crazy people that really believes
07:31this, but I'm going to dissemble in front of this committee, because if I don't, Donald
07:36Trump's going to pull my nomination.
07:38So I'm willing to go along with this charade, and I think John Ossoff had it exactly right.
07:43It's humiliating.
07:44I'm sure it was humiliating for him, but he's willing to be humiliated, and this is the problem.
07:50You know, cabinet member after cabinet member are willing to debase themselves for Donald
07:55Trump to push out his lies or to refuse to speak the truth.
07:59And again, if you can't do that on easy stuff, like who won an election, how can we count
08:04on them to do it on difficult stuff?
08:06So your committee, Senator, the Judiciary Committee, also held a confirmation hearing
08:11today for Trump's attorney general pick.
08:13That's Todd Blanche.
08:14And you had a number of contentious back and forth with him today.
08:17I want to place some of that here for viewers who didn't see it.
08:22How is that not a patent conflict of interest?
08:24What you're saying happens to not be true.
08:27I did not do that.
08:28What you're talking about happened before I became the deputy attorney general.
08:31So you support the release of O2?
08:32No, I don't, but I'm recused and it had nothing to do with that case.
08:35Like, you can't accuse me of violating my ethical rules and then lie about what I did.
08:39I wasn't involved.
08:40You can't say it appears I was involved, but I said I wasn't.
08:43Let me ask you about another one you have your name on.
08:45The truth has to matter at some point.
08:46Yeah, it does matter.
08:47We just don't hear much of it from you.
08:49What happened to the Todd Blanche of the Southern District of New York that could convert him into you, someone
08:55willing to say the president has both the right and the duty to prosecute his political enemies?
09:02I can't imagine the Todd Blanche of the old days would have ever done that.
09:07What happened to you, Todd Blanche?
09:12Blanche was adamant, though, Senator, that he is not a yes man for President Trump.
09:17Do you believe him at all?
09:19No, I think, sadly, the entire record is to the contrary.
09:24He said yes to this slush fund.
09:26He said yes to this self-dealing IRS settlement that a judge just this week basically said was a fraudulent
09:33act of collusion
09:34and referred Todd Blanche to the Bar Association in New York to look at his ethics or lack of ethics.
09:40There's been nothing, it appears, that he's unwilling to do for the president.
09:43He even went to the length of telling the president he loves him at the podium at the Justice Department.
09:49And there you just saw him deny exactly what he said, which is he was asked about prosecuting the president's
09:56enemies.
09:57And he said, yeah, there are people out there the president has had disagreements with.
10:01And he has not only the right to go after them, but a duty to do so.
10:05Those were his words.
10:06And much as he tries to dissemble, he owns that.
10:09And, of course, the Justice Department is acting upon that.
10:12But no self-right, you know, self-respecting prosecutor in his old office would bring a seashells case against James
10:20Comey
10:20or a case against my Senate colleagues for a video they made that Hegseth didn't like.
10:25It would be unthinkable.
10:27And yet this is where Todd Blanche is today.
10:30One question I have to ask you before you go on something you introduced now.
10:34You've introduced a new war powers resolution to try to stop the Iran war.
10:38We're learning tonight, though, Senator, that the president is receiving options on enlarging the military operation in Iran, the war.
10:47Do you think there's any way to stop him at this point?
10:51There is every way to stop him if members of Congress vote to bring an end to this.
10:56We can defund these operations.
10:58We can pass these war powers resolutions with even greater bipartisan support, force him to veto it or, if necessary,
11:05overcome a veto.
11:06But, yes, we have all the power that we need in Congress to stop this.
11:09What we don't have yet is sufficient bipartisan will to do it.
11:14But this appears to be going on without end.
11:17It appears to be a classic definition now, sadly, tragically, of a quagmire.
11:21All right, Senator, I appreciate your time.
11:24Thank you very much.
11:25And I want to go now to retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the U.S.
11:29Army in Europe.
11:30And let me just ask you here, General, Trump, as I just said, we understand is receiving options for enlarging,
11:37expanding the military operations in Iran.
11:40Sources telling CNN Trump is now weighing a specific operation, again, to take Karg Island, which is that island in
11:47the Persian Gulf, crucial oil export hub for them,
11:50and to bomb underground complexes, including those at Pickaxe Mountain, which are believed to be connected to Iran's nuclear program.
11:57Do you think these actions make sense at this time?
12:01Well, you know, the president has got to lay out the objective for what's going on.
12:08It is the duty, of course, of Central Command and the Pentagon to provide options and also to make the
12:14preparations
12:15so that the president could, on short notice, direct one of those courses of action.
12:21But I think what it does sound like is we're going to end up with troops on the ground, stuck
12:28there, a lot of casualties,
12:29and we still don't know exactly what the end state the president is after.
12:35So while this is happening, right, and the president's informed Congress that the war is formally back on,
12:42something else happened today.
12:44The defense secretary, as he calls himself the secretary of war, spoke out today and made an announcement,
12:50and I wanted to play it for you.
12:54Today, I'm authorizing a new screening program for testosterone deficiency for our service members,
13:01ensuring you have the right testosterone levels to operate at your absolute best.
13:10General, what do you make of that announcement from the defense secretary?
13:15Well, first of all, I don't think it's a testosterone deficiency that causes us to be stuck in the
13:22Strait of Hormuz right now, while we have not been more successful there.
13:26And I think you can see where this is going, this idea of looking or measuring for sufficient testosterone.
13:35That is not connected to the reality of the modern battlefield.
13:39The women and men of the U.S. Armed Forces that are so effective at their jobs don't need testosterone
13:48supplements to be better.
13:50It's just not connected to the reality of the battlefield.
13:54It was really jarring just to hear that today, and obviously, you know, all the implications of it.
14:01Trump was also asked by Fox News General about the Iran school bombing,
14:05in which more than 200 children and adults died in those early days of the war,
14:09that incredible tragedy, painful for anybody.
14:11CNN has learned that the U.S. was using outdated intelligence when it approved that strike.
14:16But when Trump was asked about it, here's what he said.
14:21You know, I don't think anybody's going to ever be able to say what happened there.
14:25There are images from this site that show fragments that appear to be from U.S. Tomahawk missiles.
14:30Is it possible that old intelligence or a mistake during a very active time in the war led to this
14:37event?
14:38It is, but it's also possible that those images that you have are A.I. generated.
14:45General, I'm curious your reaction to that in the context of the fact that the fact pattern on this is
14:51obviously extremely disturbing.
14:53The U.S. has looked into it in great detail.
14:56There's a lot of reporting on this, that the president of the United States would still be saying maybe this
15:01was just A.I.
15:03Well, Erin, this is embarrassing.
15:05I mean, one of the first principles of leadership is to accept responsibility.
15:10It's important to accept responsibility, acknowledge mistakes so that you can learn, prevent those from happening again.
15:17Instead, the secretary of defense and the president both are dodging any responsibility here.
15:24And this is, you know, the secretary of defense is focusing on testosterone levels instead of running the department, where
15:32we're having, still have ammunition shortages.
15:35They still don't have a strategy to carry out whatever it is the president wants done in the strait.
15:41And he should be working on those things, not focused on, you know, testosterone levels.
15:45So I think that the administration or the department has not got their priorities straight.
15:54General Hodges, I appreciate your time, as always.
15:56Thank you so much for being here.
15:59And next, we have breaking news coming in in the Houston ice shooting.
16:02The FBI now alleging the drugs were inside the victim's van.
16:06Supporters of the victim's family say this is false.
16:09Plus, cases of the explosive diarrhea parasite are surging.
16:12As the source for the outbreak is still a mystery.
16:16A doctor who is right now in the epicenter of this outbreak is out front.
16:21And the woman that Jeffrey Epstein once called his great defender is still working at Goldman Sachs, despite claiming she
16:27was resigning.
16:28Today, testifying in a closed-door hearing, a congressman who called her testimony shameful, who was in that room, is
16:35out front.
16:38Breaking news.
16:39The FBI tonight alleging drugs were inside the white van that Lorenzo Salgado Araujo was driving when an ICE agent
16:45fatally shot him in Houston.
16:47Now, CNN has obtained a copy of the FBI warrant.
16:50In it, an FBI agent writes that after the shooting, he arrived at the scene and from outside the van
16:57observed small plastic bags containing what he described as a white crystal-like substance.
17:02Now, these photos appear to show the bags that the agent is referring to.
17:07You can see them there in the vehicle's dashboard.
17:10Unclear how they got there.
17:11The warrant doesn't identify who the bags belonged to, confirm what the substance is, say where they were found in
17:18the van.
17:19We know that the Houston investigation, local officials didn't have access to the van for several days after the initial
17:27incident.
17:28Araujo had no criminal history prior to the shooting.
17:30And DHS has already acknowledged that he was not the intended target for ICE that day.
17:35Tonight, supporters of Araujo's family are accusing the FBI of launching a smear campaign.
17:40And we're going to be joined by a representative from the family in a moment to respond to these allegations.
17:46But again, I want to note that the Harris County District Attorney told out front on Friday, which was three
17:51days after the shooting, that he still hadn't been granted access to the van.
17:54So we're now finding out that they say there were drugs in the van, even though other investigators were not
17:59given access to it for days.
18:01I want to go straight to Ed Lavendera.
18:03So, Ed, these allegations here about drugs is the first time federal investigators have suggested any such thing, that there
18:10were drugs inside the van.
18:11All we knew before is that they've acknowledged that the man who was killed was not the intended target, right,
18:19that in a sense this was a mistake.
18:21So what exactly does this warrant say?
18:25Well, it's actually not a very long document, and we should be very abundantly clear here that this search warrant
18:32affidavit does not say definitively that the substance in these three plastic bags photographed inside the van,
18:40that they have not done any testing or final declaration that these was indeed methamphetamine.
18:48Simply saying that the white crystal-like substance and the way it was packaged in these plastic bags is consistent
18:55with the way drug users or drug dealers would carry this kind of drug.
19:02So because of that, there were already a lot of questions swirling around the incidents and the moments that led
19:09up to this shooting.
19:09This search warrant affidavit, sparking another round of serious questions, spoke with one Latino activist who has been working with
19:18the family over the course of the last week,
19:20who says that this smells of a smear campaign.
19:31That instead of investigating a murder, federal investigators are investigating the person who was murdered.
19:45So a lot of questions and a lot of accusations that this does not appear to be on the up
19:51and up.
19:51As those supporting the family say, they believe that this kind of reinforces what they believe needs to be done
19:58in this case,
19:59that there needs to be a full independent investigation.
20:02The Harris County Prosecutor's Office, the District Attorney's Office there in Houston,
20:07says that they were allowed by the local FBI to access the van as well,
20:12but it's not clear whether or not those prosecutors and those officials were there watching federal agents conduct and execute
20:19this search warrant.
20:19Erin?
20:20Ed, thank you very much in Dallas.
20:23I appreciate that.
20:24And let's go now to Juan Praño, the CEO of the League of Latin American Citizens.
20:28He's been representing the Araujo family, and obviously our viewers have seen you several times here in this past week,
20:34Juan,
20:34with this tragedy and the one in Maine.
20:35So an FBI agent says they saw bags with a substance that that agent believed is consistent with methamphetamine inside
20:46Araujo's van.
20:48So it's a short warrant, as Ed lays out.
20:52What is your response to what's in it?
20:55Well, my initial response, first and foremost, is that the family is still going through a grieving process.
21:00They are getting ready for a funeral.
21:02They have a public viewing tomorrow where they will celebrate his life.
21:07And the fact that they would actually release something like this is absolutely reckless.
21:13You know, I'll point to the content that they had, which is that believed to be, for example, really isn't
21:19at all factual.
21:20Clearly, it hasn't been tested yet.
21:22And none of that, none of that really justifies what ended up happening.
21:26A human was shot and he was killed.
21:29Yeah, a person who was shot and killed that DHS has acknowledged was not the intended target of whatever the
21:34operation was that ICE was conducting.
21:37So I want to be very clear about that.
21:40But, you know, to the point here, the Harris County D.A. was on this program on Friday, Juan, and
21:47he said that at that time, their investigators did not have access to the van.
21:53Right.
21:53So that was three days after this happened.
21:55They still had not gotten access to the van.
21:57The FBI obviously had the van during that time and had control of it.
22:04I mean, are you do you believe that that this was planted?
22:09Are you concerned that this was planted?
22:11Do you have faith in the investigation?
22:14Well, we've said it all along that we don't believe ICE.
22:16We don't believe DHS.
22:18We don't trust that the FBI could really conduct an independent investigation.
22:21And clearly the way that they've handled this evidence itself is a clear indication of that.
22:27You know, I've spoken with the D.A.
22:29Over six days, they've gotten absolutely nothing at all from these agencies.
22:33And so, you know, we will continue to call for a really truly independent investigation.
22:39But I do believe that this was planted.
22:42There's nothing that we've seen or heard about this particular man and these children that he's raised that would indicate
22:49anything close to what they're now trying to present as evidence.
22:52Certainly not justification for his death.
22:54No.
22:55And to be clear, he had no criminal history.
22:57So the warrant Ed was laying out that it had the photos, but it doesn't.
23:01And Ed was very clear.
23:02It doesn't actually say that they're drugs.
23:04It says it's consistent with the way methamphetamine looks and is packaged.
23:09I'm just curious what you read into the fact that they would go ahead and put a warrant and put
23:13in there all of these things without testing it first and getting an answer.
23:17Right.
23:17I mean, what stands out to you about that, about what they what they're alleging and what what they what
23:22they did and didn't do?
23:24It's another effort by them to dehumanize Lorenzo, you know, to to really sully his name, a person that they
23:31themselves took, you know, forceful action against.
23:40And killed.
23:41I mean, how much more demeaning is it, especially, you know, a day before the viewing for the family while
23:48they're grieving as well?
23:50It's just it's it's it's the indignity of this.
23:52It's a callousness of this agency and the recklessness of this administration.
23:57Juan, thank you very much for your time tonight.
24:00Thank you, Aaron.
24:02And next, cases of the explosive diarrhea parasite surging across the country.
24:07We're going to talk to a top official at the epicenter of the outbreak to find out what's causing it.
24:13Everybody's worried about it.
24:14Plus, an update on the grandfather who was tossed into the air by the massive bison, sharing new details about
24:20what happened in the seconds before the attack.
24:25Breaking news.
24:26Cases of the parasite that's causing explosive diarrhea that can last for weeks is surging across the United States and
24:33people are worried about it.
24:34Tonight, the CDC is scrambling to find the source of the parasite two months after the first cases, which pointed
24:39to a potential outbreak.
24:41Officials still don't have answers months after.
24:43The number of confirmed cyclosporiasis cases in 34 states are currently six times higher than this time last year.
24:50And the epicenter, obviously, I mentioned it's in many states, right?
24:54But the epicenter is Michigan at the current time.
24:56The number of cases there, 7,500 percent higher than the average year.
25:00Thousands instead of a few dozen.
25:02Health officials there say signs.
25:13Health officials there say signs point to lettuce as a possible culprit.
25:18Fast food chain Taco Bell announcing it's taking precautions, saying, quote,
25:22public health officials have not confirmed a link to Taco Bell or any specific ingredient supplier, restaurant or retailer.
25:27While authorities continue their broader review, Taco Bell has voluntarily and temporarily removed limited ingredients at select restaurants.
25:35Now, symptoms for this can take up to two weeks after exposure to develop and potentially last for weeks.
25:42Out front now, Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian.
25:44She is Michigan's chief medical executive.
25:47And, doctor, I appreciate your time very much.
25:49So, currently, Michigan is the epicenter, although, as we pointed out, it's now in states across the country.
25:55How close are you to finding out what is causing this?
26:01Well, we already have some preliminary data.
26:04We have 3,700 cases in Michigan at the moment, and we've interviewed 1,700 cases.
26:10Now, with that preliminary data, the signs are pointing towards lettuce and particularly bagged lettuce products.
26:18So, bagged lettuce that everybody buys that says it's been triple washed.
26:22And if you ask AI, it tells you it's absolutely fine.
26:25Trust it.
26:25That bagged lettuce.
26:28Can I ask?
26:28Bagged lettuce, yes.
26:30Okay.
26:30So, you know, the CDC has not definitively identified the source, okay?
26:37And, you know, you look to the CDC for this sort of thing.
26:40What do you think is happening there?
26:43Well, you know, this is a very difficult outbreak for a number of reasons.
26:46You mentioned already that long incubation period.
26:49It takes about one to two weeks symptoms to develop after exposure.
26:54It also takes time for people to seek medical attention, for them to get tested.
26:58And then the interviews that we're doing are really intensive.
27:02And that takes time as well.
27:03So, the investigation is going to take some time.
27:06But I have to say that this is part of the work that public health does behind the scenes all
27:13the time.
27:14And there have been cuts to public health in 2025 and 2026.
27:18And we're certainly seeing the reduction in staffing, the reduction in finances impacting our ability to respond.
27:25Which is a really important point, right?
27:29This is something that's now touching so many people.
27:31Doctor, do you think this could get still much worse?
27:36Well, I have to just remind folks that the cases that are being reported to us today,
27:40they were likely individuals who were exposed two weeks ago or potentially four weeks ago.
27:45So, you know, because of that lag time, it's really hard to know whether the interventions that we've made already
27:52have had any effect.
27:53We've been giving people guidance about how to handle their produce, how to buy lettuce if they want to consume
27:59salads.
28:00And, again, it's going to take some time before we know that that information and that advice is really paying
28:06off.
28:07So, there is a lag time.
28:08However, because produce has a limited shelf life, it's possible that that contaminated material is already off shelves,
28:15that it's already been consumed or already been trashed.
28:19So, it's difficult to know, but I would expect cases to start slowing down soon.
28:25All right.
28:26Dr. Braggisarian, thank you very much.
28:27I appreciate your time.
28:29And I want to go now to Dr. Ashish Jha, former White House COVID-19 Response Coordinator.
28:33Of course, familiar face to so many.
28:35So, Dr. Jha, you say this outbreak could have been preventable.
28:39Explain.
28:42Yeah, first of all, Aaron, thanks for having me back.
28:44I do think it could have been preventable.
28:46Or let me frame it in this way.
28:48We see cyclospora outbreaks every summer.
28:51This is a much, much bigger outbreak than what we're used to see.
28:54About six times bigger than last year.
28:57Last year, Doge and RFK Jr., Secretary Kennedy, had substantial cuts in the CDC, FDA, including people who track cyclospora
29:07and are very active in trying to prevent these things from out of control.
29:11With those people gone, this disease has spread far more widely and wildly than it would have otherwise.
29:17And I think that's a direct result of the cuts that we have seen from this administration,
29:21particularly from Secretary Kennedy's offices at CDC and FDA.
29:26Which is just important for people to understand some of the specifics, right, that are now, we're seeing the repercussions.
29:33I know that you've been talking to friends at the CDC, Dr. Jha, about what's going on inside.
29:38What are they telling you?
29:40Yeah, look, folks inside the CDC who are still there are frustrated.
29:44They have lost some of their top experts.
29:47They've lost a lot of the disease detectives who would have jumped on this weeks ago and tracked down,
29:51whether it was that lettuce that we heard from the from the health secretary of Michigan,
29:55who, by the way, has been doing an extraordinary job.
29:57But folks on the front line have been doing an amazing job.
30:00What I'm hearing from my friends at the CDC is they're frustrated.
30:02They are trying to get the attention of the secretary.
30:05CDC has has sent material up to to HHS to try to get the word out.
30:10It's been hard for them to get the communication going.
30:13I think there's a lot of frustration inside the CDC right now.
30:17So this is one example, right?
30:19But we also have the worst measles outbreak that we saw in recent months in three decades in this country.
30:26There's an outbreak of New World screw worm, which is a flesh eating parasite.
30:30For decades, it was considered eradicated.
30:32It's been affecting cattle, can cause ass kills, can impact beef prices.
30:37These outbreaks, as you see them, are not a coincidence, right?
30:44Yeah, here's how to think about this.
30:46We have disease outbreaks all the time, but what we're seeing is something different.
30:51This is not an isolated instance.
30:53Look, if cyclospora outbreak was just bad this season, we'd say, boy, that's terrible.
30:57We occasionally have bad seasons.
30:59It's the worst outbreak in many, many years.
31:01We have the worst measles outbreak of many years.
31:04We have New World screw worm, as you said, first time in 60 years.
31:08This is a repeated pattern when you make large cuts in public health.
31:13Unfortunately, infectious diseases don't decide to take a break.
31:16They show up.
31:17And so we're seeing the repercussions of all those cuts that last year, many of us said, this is unwise.
31:24We should not be doing this.
31:25This is exactly why.
31:28Dr. Jha, thank you very much.
31:30I appreciate talking to you again.
31:31Thank you.
31:33Thank you.
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