00:00What would be the difference between a mere warning and a threat?
00:05A mere warning and a threat?
00:08At what point does a warning become a threat?
00:14Well, Your Honor, if I'm going to, based on our investigation,
00:19I'm going to apply the...
00:20You don't have to.
00:24I'm just asking your legal opinion. You're a lawyer.
00:28It actually does, but if I still have time, I have a follow-up question for all.
00:33Do I?
00:35Well, anyway, everyone went over time, so since my bell hasn't rang...
00:38No, you don't, but you can ask your final question, madame.
00:42Just a quick follow-up.
00:47You mentioned the word threat, so can you just elaborate on that?
00:52What to you would be the difference between a threat and a...
00:58Sorry, a threat and a...
01:00Sorry, sorry.
01:01I don't know if you uttered the word that I want to ask you now, no?
01:05But you referred to threat, of course.
01:07What would be the difference between a mere warning and a threat?
01:13A mere warning and a threat?
01:15At what point does a warning become a threat?
01:22Well, Your Honor, if I'm going to, based on our investigation,
01:26if I apply the...
01:27I don't know.
01:30You don't have to.
01:32I'm just asking your legal opinion.
01:34You're a lawyer.
01:35He may answer.
01:36Is it not correct, Mr. President?
01:38I think...
01:38If he knows.
01:39Just in my own opinion, although...
01:45Warning is, maybe there is a...
01:49What we call an event-based condition.
01:51Pwedeng ganon na...
01:54Pag inulit mo ito, ito, itong gagawin ko sa'yo.
01:57Pwede hong warning yun.
02:00Di ba ganun yun yun yun yun?
02:02Yung threat, Your Honor, pag ang threat is with a condition,
02:06pwede ho siyang mag-fall ng ganon.
02:07Pag sinabi ng threat is,
02:10pag ginawa mo ito, ito ang gagawin ko sa'yo.
02:13Papatayin kita.
02:14Papatayin ko yung pamilya mo.
02:15Papatayin ko yung ganyan.
02:17So, para siyang nag-overlap,
02:19depende sa appreciation
02:22for us, ng investigator,
02:26Your Honor.
02:26But insofar as the NBI Cybercrime Division is concerned,
02:31what we did is we
02:33established the elements of the grave threats
02:36based on
02:38the surrounding facts and circumstances
02:40and then
02:41we conclude
02:43that indeed
02:44nag-violate ho ang ating vice-presidente.
02:48Okay.
02:49Attorney Lutok,
02:51warning in Filipino is babala.
02:55Yes, opo.
02:56Threat in Filipino is banta.
02:59Yes, opo.
03:00Kaya diba, babala,
03:02bawal magtapon ng basura dito.
03:05Pwede po yun, sir.
03:07Diba,
03:08ang tanong ni Senator Pia,
03:09kailan nagiging banta yun?
03:13Well,
03:14it depende sa konteksto siguro,
03:17Your Honor.
03:18May warning din po kasi na
03:20I warned you,
03:22I warned you,
03:23sinasabi ko,
03:23pag inulit mo ito,
03:24ito nang mangyayari sa'yo.
03:26May konteksto ho na gano'n,
03:28Your Honor.
03:28Na somehow nag-overlap siya doon
03:31sa elements ng great threats
03:32na conditional,
03:34na sinabi na
03:36pag ito ang nangyari,
03:37ito ang gagawin ko sa'yo.
03:39So,
03:40depende ho sa konteksto,
03:43Your Honor.
03:44So,
03:45depende sa konteksto,
03:47sa delivery,
03:48sa taas ng boses,
03:49gaano kagalit,
03:50may kapasidad,
03:52maraming bagay.
03:53Yes, po.
03:53Yes, po, Your Honor.
03:57Senator Judge Pia?
03:58Yeah, so in other words,
03:59it depends on the circumstances
04:00surrounding the incident
04:04or at the time
04:05that the utterance was made.
04:07Yes, ma'am.
04:08Okay, so laging konteksto.
04:09Okay, maraming salamat sa lahat.
04:10I just want to emphasize na,
04:12Mr. Presiding Officer,
04:13I posted my question
04:14to each of the councils
04:15and the witness
04:16precisely so that
04:17may sabihan na may bias,
04:18isa lang yung binibigan natin
04:19ang opportunity
04:20to explain their side.
04:22I really genuinely
04:23just wanted to know
04:24what their appreciation
04:26of the definition
04:27of grave threats is.
04:28Thank you so much.
04:29We thank the good
04:29Senator Judge
04:30for intervention.
04:31All of the comments
04:32are noted.
04:33Um...
04:34Um...
04:35Um...
04:36Um...
04:46Um...
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