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01:59Yes, walong beses po siyang galit na galit at nagmumura at minumura yung presidente, si First Lady and then si
02:09former Speaker of the House.
02:10Isa-isa namang inilista ni Lotok ang pitong timestamp ng naging pagmumura ng bisi.
02:17Why is this a factor in classifying her threats as serious and real?
02:28Yes, your honor. It's very much a factor because we want to establish the intent of the vice president.
02:37And that intent is crucial in our investigation. We want to determine whether those utterances made by the vice president
02:48were just a product of a temporary fit of anger?
02:53Was it just spur of the moment? Or were they really serious?
03:02Was it serious? Real?
03:04Yeah, your honor. In those utterances, the vice president said, wag kang tumigil hanggat hindi mo sila mapapatay.
03:14It shows persistence on the part of the vice president that she was determined to carry out those utterances.
03:24Dagdag ni Lotok para sa kanya ay nakababahala ang naging pahayag ng bisi.
03:29Your honor, pwede hong mag-take advantage yung ibang grupo dyan, ibang individual. God forbid may mangyari sa vice presidente
03:39for one reason or the other.
03:42Matitrigger ho ngayon yung instruction. And then, papatayin ngayon yung God forbid again, ang presidente, Lisa Marcos, ang former Speaker.
03:54And, in fact, even yung triggering na phase na yun, pwede mag-take advantage doon yung ibang grupo, thinking na
04:03pag-i-assassinate natin ng tatlo, ang sisi-sihin ang vice president.
04:08Medyo magiging disorder, magiging chaotic, magiging anarchy yung society.
04:13Sa kanilang pag-iimbestiga, nakahanap pa raw sila ng iba pang video bago pa man ang November online press conference.
04:21Nakita raw nila ang isang press conference noong October 18 ng parehong taon sa Facebook page ng Office of the
04:28Vice President.
04:30Gusto ko, ang galing yung ulo niya ba?
04:39I realized, toxic na yung relationship.
04:45Imagined myself cutting his head.
04:52Maging ang ilang bahagi mula sa November 23 press conference, ipinakita sa Senado.
05:01Ninyong lahat, Martin Romualdez, Lisa Marcos, Bongbong Marcos.
05:08Ano yung significance ng three comparisons na ito sa investigasyon nyo?
05:12Based on these patterns and consistencies in the utterances made by the vice president,
05:20it appears that these statements have tendency to steer up the people against the government,
05:32have tendency to disturb the peace of the community.
05:36At nang tanungin ng private prosecutor si Lotok tungkol sa depensa ng vice president,
05:42na freedom of expression lamang ang kanya naging pananalita.
05:46Three reasons, Your Honor.
05:48When the second highest official of the land openly and publicly uttered
05:53that she had already contracted a person to kill,
05:57the highest official of the land, the first lady and the former speaker,
06:03and that she instructed the person to be relentless in killing them,
06:07we failed to see any amount of freedom of speech in that utterance, Your Honor.
06:11That's number one.
06:13Number two, we talk to ourselves.
06:19If we allow the argument that it is within the bounds of freedom of speech,
06:25if we allow that to become the norms of our society,
06:30then who would prevent anybody from doing the same to anyone?
06:34Matatandaang nagsampa ng reklamo ang NBI sa Justice Department
06:39na nagsagawa naman ang preliminary investigation.
06:42Based on your affidavit of investigation,
06:46did the vice president commit a crime?
06:54Based on your investigation, Attorney Loto,
06:59was there enough basis to file a criminal complaint, as you did,
07:05for the crimes you charged the vice president with?
07:09Prima facie evidence only, huh?
07:11Not as to whether or not she indeed committed it or not,
07:14because only a court of justice can determine that.
07:17Yes, Your Honor.
07:18Based on our findings,
07:19we believe that the vice president committed a crime of grave threats
07:24and inciting positions.
07:25Only in so far satisfying the requirement of prima facie evidence
07:30sufficient to file a case.
07:32Prima facie evidence with reasonable certainty of conviction.
07:35Nang kwestyonin na na mga Senator Judge si Loto,
07:39tinanong siya kung nakitaan ba nila ng motibo ang vice
07:42para sa kanyang mga umunay pagbabanta.
07:45What findings, if any, convince the NBI
07:52the motive of the respondent to kill the president
07:57and two other people?
08:00Meron pong bang kayong nakitang motibo?
08:03Yes, Your Honor.
08:04As I've said before,
08:07when we take into consideration all the facts and circumstances
08:11surrounding that issue,
08:15nagkaroon ng hindi magandang relasyon yung dalawa
08:18and then
08:22nagbato na ang vice-presidente
08:23ng mga salitang mabibigat laban sa presidente.
08:26Sinasabi ng vice-presidente
08:28is politically motivated
08:35yung pag-attack sa kanya
08:37and then at the same time
08:39pinagtutulungan siya
08:40ng buong gobyerno.
08:42So parang nagpatong-patong na ho siya
08:45convolution ng iba't ibang issue.
08:49So nakita ho namin
08:50talagang galit ang vice-presidente sa presidente.
08:55Sa isang punta rin ay tila nagkasaguta
08:58sina Senator Judge Aimee Marcos at Lotok
09:01dahil sa ilang typhographical error
09:03sa mga dokumentong isinabmit nila
09:06sa impeachment trial.
09:08November 6 pa lang,
09:09minamanmanan na si vice-president.
09:13Iniimbestigahan na siya
09:14bago pa yung Zoom conference sa kongreso.
09:18No, Your Honor.
09:19I think, I believe that's a typo yung date.
09:21Council Wieselow, wait.
09:22Let the document speak for itself.
09:24Yes, Your Honor, please.
09:25If it's there.
09:25Sandra Aguinaldo,
09:27nagbabalita para sa GMA News.
09:31Nauusisa rin na ilang Senator Judge
09:33sa impeachment trial kahapon
09:34kung may kinuntratangabang hitman
09:36si Vice President Sara Duterte.
09:38Ayon kay Attorney Jeremy Lotok
09:40na dating head ng NBI Cybercrime Division
09:42at ngayong Regional Director ng NBI BARM,
09:45walang validated na impormasyong
09:46may kinuntratangang hitman ng vice
09:48para ipapatay ang Pangulo,
09:50First Lady at sa daas
09:51si dating House Speaker
09:52kung ipapapatay raw siya.
09:54Pero kahit walang natuntun na hitman,
09:57hindi rin ibig sabihin niya
09:58ang Ani Lotok
09:58na wala nang basihan
10:00ng kasong grave threats
10:01laban sa vice presidente.
10:03Sabi naman ang defense team,
10:05maglalabas sila ng ebidensya
10:06para patunayang walang kinausap
10:08na asasin ng vice presidente
10:09para ipapatay ang Pangulo
10:11at ilan niyang kaanak.
10:15Kung hindi po ma-identify
10:18o ma-locate
10:19ang sinasabing asasin,
10:21does that automatically mean
10:23that the threat
10:24is no longer credible
10:26or actionable?
10:27The threat
10:27was absolute.
10:29Grave threats
10:29can be committed
10:30with or without condition.
10:31You're not denying
10:32that the vice president
10:33spoke to a hitman?
10:34No, we are denying
10:35that your honor is...
10:36You're not denying that.
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