00:00So moments ago, Erica Kirk's legal team announcing a new court motion demanding all evidence be made public, arguing, quote,
00:08at certain points throughout the preliminary hearing, the Kirk family sat in in the room while evidence was admitted, but
00:14not presented for their viewing.
00:18Said this, Jeffrey named Mr. May and Wednesday or Dabra.
00:23They were present in body yet denied the very thing their presence was meant to secure. Their ability to meaningfully
00:31observe the preliminary hearing in the absence of transparency, speculation and conspiracy.
00:37Okay, what is happening? Erica Kirk's law asked for all evidence to be displayed publicly. Yes, visibility 100% more
00:46on.
00:47You see theories related to the tragic assassination of Mr. Kirk will continue to proliferate in the public domain, breeding
00:54doubt and distrust in the judicial system. Now, this comes just hours before the court is expected to hear redacted
01:01audio testimony from the.
01:03This is damn good thing that is happening right now. Demand for transparency. Yes.
01:09It's roommate of the suspect accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk. Fox News contributor and criminal defense attorney Donna Rattuno joins
01:17us now. She's been outside the courtroom inside the courtroom this entire week.
01:22Okay, okay, Dana. Charlie Kirk murder case testimony from suspects roommate to be to be played in court. Yes. Go
01:31tell us about that. Please.
01:33Can you explain to our audience what rights victims have in hearings like this? Yes, please.
01:42Sure. Hi, Lawrence. Good morning. So victims do have rights in the state of Utah has a specific statute that
01:48allows for victims rights. So they list numerous things right to a speedy trial, right to a fair process, right
01:55to be informed. This filing shows the frustration.
01:59Yes, this is a big one because I know I know something is so fishy right here. This is the
02:05boy. Yeah, he is a boy is young. And he he just murdered saw guns on her Charlie Kirk at
02:15the event that day. Yes.
02:18This is what Erica Kirk and the family of Charlie Kirk are dealing with. They have an entire legal team
02:22here that is saying to the court. Look, your honor, you are allowing pieces of evidence in for your consideration,
02:29but you are not allowing us, the family, the public to see what those things are. And this puts the
02:35judge in a very difficult position because remember, Lawrence, there's not.
02:38Yeah, this is what's happening. Yeah, this is what's happening. And this Erica Kirk helped with a new motion in
02:44court motion gets lawyer, a legal team to say we want a full transparency on this thing.
02:51Jury in this courtroom. This is a preliminary hearing. And without it. Right. So without a jury to hear what's
02:58going on, there's nothing to shield the finder of fact from. Sometimes the judge rules. Look, this is not information
03:06that is relevant to a jury.
03:08This video is from Utah court exhibit from September 12, 2025.
03:13It's not admissible. And therefore, they're not going to hear it. In this case, the judge is taking everything he
03:19hears into consideration.
03:20Okay. He's making that determination. And normally, those things are not shut off to the public. And so this is
03:27a little bit of a different situation. And the defense is saying, I don't want these things.
03:31Wait a minute. Is he the man who killed the Charlie Kirk and he's just roaming around publicly without any
03:38custody? Oh, damn. It's it's horrific to possibly taint.
03:43A future jury pool. But Erica Kirk is saying, I'm sitting in this courtroom. And every time I walk out
03:49the door, I am being just bombarded by conspiracy theories.
03:53I mean, Lawrence, all of us see it in our own. Okay. What Kirk family said is we were denied
03:58from leaving full evidence during court hearing. That is what they said.
04:03People are out there with these ideas, right? They're out there with these ideas that things are not happening when
04:09they're showing the evidence to you in front of your face.
04:12So I don't blame Erica. I don't blame Erica for saying, your honor, if you're going to let it in,
04:17make sure we see it.
04:18Please, we have a question.
04:18So that's just the point right there, Don. Typically, we would not be concerned about conspiracy theories because they never
04:25make their way into the courtroom.
04:27But this is different because in a sinister way, I feel like the defense...
04:31This is very different from that at all. This is very different.
04:34It's kind of wink-winking to that crowd in the way that they're conducting themselves with the trial.
04:41Sure, there's no jury that has been seated.
04:44But it's almost putting pressure on the prosecution.
04:47Give us a deal. Take death penalty off the table or you may get jury nullification.
04:52Am I wrong about that?
04:53No, you are right about that. And that is happening at all.
04:58No, you're absolutely right about it. And what I keep saying about this hearing is that the defense is trying
05:03to have it both ways.
05:04They've argued to the ends of the earth about whether or not cameras should be in this courtroom.
05:10And yet at the same time, they are playing directly to those cameras, right?
05:14So they want certain things out in the public. They don't want other things out in the public.
05:19I mean, yeah, they are like hippie-dippie, little-little-little-like scrimm.
05:23You can't have it both ways because if you really were worried about a jury pool, you could have waived
05:27this preliminary hearing.
05:28That's right.
05:29Because spoiler alert, we all know how this ends, and it ends with the finding of probable cause.
05:33So spot on.
05:35This is what we have right now. Very, very spot on.
05:39So spot on. Thank you so much to Donna.
05:41Thank you, Donna.
05:43Okay. Okay.
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