00:00Walking out of this NATO summit, was this a good NATO summit for the Europeans?
00:05I think the Europeans will feel that they have a lot more dignity and a lot more skin in the
00:10game and a lot more respect.
00:11And in particular, self-respect is a term that I've heard from a lot of diplomats from NATO member states
00:17because they pledged, as we said yesterday, $50 billion worth of investment when it comes to tanks, interceptors,
00:24Patriot missiles, and also $40 billion for drones, which is obviously an immediate capacity that is required.
00:31That comes obviously at a time when the United States has removed assets and capabilities with immediate effect from NATO,
00:38including long-range bombers and so on.
00:40So the Europeans are taking control of their own continent.
00:44The other part is that the investment yesterday we heard about is really long-term.
00:48So for the moment, the continent still needs the United States,
00:52and they still need to purchase American weapons because the ability in terms of the defence industry in Europe is
00:58not quite there yet.
00:59So the question about still relying on the United States is still the one that exists for the moment.
01:04But I caught up with the Estonian Prime Minister, Christian McHale,
01:07and I asked him, because obviously, of course, Estonia is a country that is close to Russia
01:12and experiences a lot of interventions from Russia.
01:15And I asked him about his takeaways.
01:17The topic was security, investing in defence, the defence industry,
01:23also the questions about the Middle East, which is very this kind of up-to-date.
01:28And these are the topics, but not Greenland.
01:30Tell us about NATO 3.0.
01:32Is this the beginning of NATO 3.0?
01:34Because if you even compare 26 to 25, the level of spending by Europe and Canada has increased really historically.
01:43I would say that the message is there, because when you look at the numbers,
01:48it's 139 billions in dollars, US dollars, that last year, 2025, was increased by Europe and Canada expenditure.
01:58So I would say that increasing goes on, because everybody has made the pledge and promise in Haig to go
02:08to 5%.
02:08Estonia, for example, our defence expenditure this year is already 5.4.
02:13And if we add this kind of wider military investments, 1.5 to that,
02:18so I would say it's almost 7%, as in Lithuania, Latvia, Poland.
02:22So I would say that, yes, NATO will grow stronger, Europe will grow stronger,
02:27we will have more capabilities and also more defence industry,
02:31which is very much needed, because Russia still auto-produces us,
02:34even though their economy is the size of a medium European country.
02:38Donald Trump and the United States has clearly had a different relationship with Europe.
02:42There was a feeling, you know, if Putin were to test Article 5,
02:46particularly if he were to do something in Estonia, we wouldn't know the answer to that.
02:51I would say that we know, because, for example, we had the desyncing of Baltics from Russian energy grid.
02:58At that moment, we needed NATO to step up, and I called Mark Rutte,
03:02and we have NATO ships on the Baltic Sea, guarding our critical infrastructure.
03:06And that is a little bit later, Meeks from Russia came into our airspace,
03:11Italian F-35s, which were air policing, went up, escorted them out.
03:15So NATO on the practical level is working well,
03:17and also, for example, Romanian fighter jets shot down a drone.
03:22This was only the second time in NATO's history on Estonian soil.
03:25So that means that NATO on the military level is working well.
03:30We have chain of command, everything in place, procedures, operational control, everything.
03:34And Russia knows that, but probably this kind of rhetoric from Russian side and friends of Russia.
03:39This is the cognitive warfare Putin wants to have.
03:42He wants to have us believe that he will be in Kiev in three days and so on.
03:46It's 50th year. He's losing 35,000 years old.
03:49He has a burning gas station in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
03:53Ports are burning.
03:54He's turning down telegram, 5G.
03:56He's getting more paranoid.
03:57So this is the image he wants us to believe.
03:59Do you think Putin's on his way out?
04:03Hopefully, but the pressure should remain.
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