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Hoch, Crowder & Solana debate if an NBA player like LeBron James or Jalen Brunson could lead a 16-seed to an NCAA Tournament title
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00:00was having this uh this conversation uh dj and i am and obviously laurie but dj and i were having
00:05this conversation when we were in switzerland or italy um what nba like what echelon of nba player
00:12would you have to add to the final ncaa tournament team so what is there 64 teams 68 teams now
00:20i
00:20forget what it is 68 so what player from the nba could you add to the 68th team in the
00:30tournament
00:30and say that team will win the tournament
00:37oh man a young lebron would be my answer i don't know now but ask me now you had a
00:4306 lebron
00:4507 lebron like like if you add if you add nicole jokic right now to the 68th team is there
00:54a squad
00:54in college basketball that can stop him no that's the answer joker wendy i bro i think even lebron now
01:04i'm not even joking like the the gap the because how many games do you have to win
01:10because it's all single elimination so it's not like you have to run you know 25 games so
01:16eight like eight games maybe or whatever like 16 8 4 yeah eight games like lebron could potentially
01:26still do that take the the last college team to get in what even michigan who won the title this
01:35year
01:37who's stopping lebron james possession after possession well i think what could stop lebron
01:44is just his age i i'm i'm with crowder like that you know 06 lebron there's there's not a question
01:49i don't think there's anyone that could put a uh a stop on jokic there's nobody big enough to deal
01:56with jokic but like when you get like jalen brunson but he like i mean he was on that villanova
02:03team that
02:03won so i'm not taking it away but could you put him on the 68th seed and run to a
02:10championship with
02:11him i think you could really i think it's i think it's the size i think it's yokic i think
02:16it's wimby
02:17i think just the size would kill those young boys i don't think so i think it's it's sure yes
02:22you're
02:23right size but also it's just the ability to score at will you're telling me jalen brunson who who the
02:29spurs were literally targeting defensively was putting up 40 plus points in a closeout game to win
02:37the nba finals and he wouldn't just do whatever he wanted to do against college players who even on
02:43that best michigan team what two or three got drafted this year in the nba everybody else is
02:48going to go play in europe i mean he he could score 60 points if he wanted to at this
02:56at this
02:56point of his career in a college basketball i just don't know if i can do it with brunson like
03:01that's what dj and i were kind of talking about it's like at what point do you go like mb
03:06if he's
03:07healthy for six seven eight games however many games that it takes who's stopping joel mb what about
03:12yannis who's stopping yannis at a college yeah yannis i mean because you're still and again i understand
03:19you're you know um a cooper flag is just removed from college so i understand you've got nba players
03:26at the top seeds but yannis is like most of those guys like to to solana's point there most of
03:36those
03:36guys aren't going to go play in the nba even on a championship team right yannis is man amongst boys
03:42yeah i'll go with size still salon i see what you're saying about brunson nobody's gonna just
03:48shut down big body brunson but the size is gonna kill them with yokich and and and imbead and all
03:55those big boys i i i think we're thinking about guys who are just like top five in the nba
04:02i'd be
04:03willing to go down that list like that's the the argument jalen brown for example but take the 68th
04:11seed i think yeah guys like that paul george jalen brown like guys we can we kind of consider
04:16like second third options shoot man i i'd even say just from a local standpoint bam out of bio
04:24put him on any team in college basketball who like who's stopping who's stopping an nba player
04:32even though even a guy that we call wash like a paul george or a russell westbrook you put russell
04:38westbrook in college he is destroying them babies that's kind of fun but but they're not babies
04:45though when you get to the one two three four the top four the top one you know the four
04:50one seeds right
04:51like you're talking about quality nba talent not all five out there on the court but there's nba talent
05:00out there so to me you need the upper echelon of player who's going to be able to overcome that
05:09constantly and for me that's like a yokich or whatever a booze Ellis like the real no no no you
05:15are trying to sneak a name in we're gonna we're not gonna let you sneak a name in what what
05:19all right
05:20i'll take yokich off i withdraw yokich
05:25oh booze Ellis
05:29yeah i think i think there's a lot of nba players a lot i just think once you get to
05:35the nba
05:35and you prove on that level at the nba because man the talent gap is in other words cooper flag
05:43he's great if you put him on the 68th seed if if you could run the tournament back when duke
05:50remember i think they ended up losing in the elite eight or maybe it was the final four but they
05:55didn't
05:55get to the championship game but that duke team from two years ago cooper flag ends up going first
05:59overall just with one year in the nba if you can run that entire tournament back everything's the same
06:06from that day that it started but it's it's today because now you've got nba experience you've played
06:12against the best 82 games a season for sure i think it like he's he's already like infinitely
06:20better than he was coming out as a freshman or he was as a freshman in college like you just
06:25have
06:25this experience i mean you're getting guarded think about that like cooper flag was getting guarded
06:30by the best defenders in the nba right and he was what about zion crazy points what was i am
06:36but
06:36but this is but let's think about what we're saying fellas umbc and howard were the playing teams
06:43right you're putting them on the 68th best team in college basketball and going up against these
06:54michigan teams that have nba caliber talent yeah that's why i can't get there with brunson
07:03no it'd have to be a physically dominant person it would have to be ok it's a lot it can't
07:09be a
07:09guard it got to be a big who's guarding jalen brunson nobody could in the nba finals and the
07:15entire game plan was to stop jalen brunson and the spurs the spurs have quality quality defenders
07:21they have the best defender in the nba and they couldn't stop them now you're telling me
07:24that jalen but he's got options on that next team he has no options on the teams that crowder's
07:30talking about you trap you trap jalen brunson as soon as he crosses half court line he has to pass
07:36it good luck you can't trap yoke it you can't trap wendy you can't trap those guys they get in
07:41the
07:41paint have one these little these little whatever european players throw it up real high he catches
07:47it and the kids are slapping his elbow you can't trap him though because he sees the trap coming before
07:53the trap is even there and the second you trap him you he gets rid of the ball they bring
07:58it up the
07:59floor they set two screens now he's got the ball at the top of the key they send the help
08:03defender
08:03guess what he's doing he's going around they're setting another screen i want to ask this of jim
08:08laranega but he doesn't come on the show anymore what happened while i was gone you scared him off
08:12yeah well he didn't like my question about bam and yannis already being a better duo than magic and
08:17kareem i get a text while i'm in europe from coach laranega and it goes yeah so i'm not coming
08:23on
08:23anymore this summer i'll talk to you during basketball season i go what happened what did
08:27solana say to you that that scared you away from the show i want him to come on tomorrow what
08:32did
08:32you say to him we didn't say anything i feel like he believes that basketball season's over so you
08:38guys don't need me anymore but i was adamant on the air because he said it he's like yeah i
08:42guess
08:42this will be my last time on with you guys until basketball's back i said coach we want you back
08:46every week i'm gonna have to intervene here i don't know what you guys did all right so a lot
08:52upset him well no if anybody upset him it's you diminishing analytics and talk about how none of
08:59that stuff matters just throwing it i think they'll be upset him too galby might upset him too
09:05well wait a second crowder is anti-analytics but for pulling yuri perez after seven perfect innings
09:13which side are you on i don't believe in per's and plus minuses analytics
09:24somebody uh puts on the taxes this is funny if you put tyler hero on the 68th seed
09:29they immediately become the 69th best
09:38tyler hero tyler hero would average 50 points 50 points a game but he couldn't take the 68th seed
09:46100 it's loaded with slappy mcdougall's doesn't matter it does matter doesn't matter they can't
09:54stop him he'll he'll drop 40 points you're telling me against that michigan team with no help yep
10:01tyler hero beats them and every other team that he faces 100 because you're thinking you're thinking
10:07of tyler hero you're thinking of tyler hero the player like i'd argue a player like no you're
10:13thinking of these michigan teams as being equal to these 68th seed i'm not no solana we're talking
10:19about firman north dakota state ca baptist sienna like now i'm looking at the bracket from last year
10:28you gotta have a dog he's gonna have to score if they win by 40 he's gonna have to score
10:3440
10:34bro tyler hero will score 45 against any of those college basketball teams i'm telling you man the gap
10:43between these guys once they're in the nba and the gap between that and and what it is that they're
10:50facing with these college basketball teams i'm not even trying to diminish michigan or whoever houston
10:57but the gap is just massive crowder think about think about college to the nfl even the best
11:03college football teams guys in the nfl like regular starters in the nfl are worlds better but it's
11:12just such a different it's a different sport you can't do the same thing but i'm just saying in terms
11:15of the talent gap between guys in the nfl crowder take you in your third or fourth season
11:21the year you intercepted tom brady in 2009 yeah if you would have started for florida that year
11:27you i mean you would have dominated dominated but tyler wasn't even an all-american in college
11:35but that's a lottery pick yeah but he at kentucky he was 14 14
11:44analytics whatever 14 5 and 3 at kentucky's biggest game was 29 points but but who cares
11:50about that he was a lottery pick and he scored 36 points in the eastern conference finals as a rookie
11:55but you have an nba all-star and then he let darris garland's little bald head tail shut him down
12:02for
12:02four games in a row but but think about the guys coming off firman these literally are guys you're
12:08going to see at the ymca right just getting in a run i'm not kidding you yeah you're putting tyler
12:14hero on that ymca team and saying he's going to beat michigan yeah i think you would i don't think
12:23so no i think you would i gotta be a big so individually talented and the gap between 12 players
12:31on an nba
12:32roster but compared to 15 guys on a college basketball roster even like michigan and the
12:40and i don't think let's go what was it the boozers where were the boo duke duke duke last year
12:46yeah you're putting tyler hero with the ymca team with the ymca crew like there's no chance i'm with
12:53you hog no chance as long as you got a couple guys who are shooters who can knock down some
12:58you don't
12:59you have the firman team but they're gonna be wide open hawk they're gonna be wide open there's
13:04gonna be three guys with no man on their jersey and they're gonna be knocking down or at least
13:10attempting wide open threes because tyler hero will get wherever he wants to on the floor wherever he
13:17wants pull up jumper he'll have the whole bag working the whole bag because double him these
13:24college defenders right but you say that like oh just double him okay well why didn't the nfl just
13:29double randy moss well because they tried but tyler hero is not randy moss he he's not randy moss in
13:36the nba you put him on a college basketball court he becomes randy moss tyler hero yes jokic is randy
13:43moss wimby is randy moss one-on-one i'm with you five on five and they're giving you four guys
13:51they can
13:53see the game so much different it slows down for them in a way that college basketball players have
14:00never experienced i'm with you with wimby i'm with you with i'm with you with yokage i'm with you with
14:05those guys you're arguing tyler hero is on that level that's crazy i think michael i would take
14:12michael beasley over tyler hero in that situation i think anybody that's been an nba all-star like at
14:18that level once you've been an nba all-star i think you can have that type of impact instantly
14:24in a game against what we're talking about are amateurs i'm not saying that in a bad way but
14:29they're not professional athletes some of them have the potential to be professional athletes
14:35but the majority do not and you're talking about guys who at the professional level in the best league
14:42in the world are averaging 30 points 25 points per game and now put them against a bunch of
14:49amateur players so we just talked about duke so the boozer boy that went high he's gonna see tyler
14:56hero run down in a milwaukee bucks uniform and get scared it's not that he's gonna get scared but he's
15:01not gonna be able because he hasn't faced it before to be able to contain a guy like jalen brunson
15:07or a
15:07guy like tyler hero you're off on this one yeah it's tyler hero i think size matters most in this
15:13scenario i just do i'm not i'm not denying like the the taller and the more physically imposing
15:22just because i mean guys like tyler hero and jalen brunson they're gonna have to hit shot after shot
15:27after shot they have to and guys that they're playing against can hit shots back yokich can go to
15:35the basket every single possession and never be stopped there's not a individual in college
15:42basketball that can stop wimby if he picks up picks up his dribble inside the three-point line
15:48all right let's do uh headlines anyway it's a good uh radio hypothetical headline
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