00:00The one thing that stood out that I can't get out of my head from visiting China, I have never
00:04been in a culture, in a city, et cetera, in which there was more just like constant phone use.
00:10I went to a nice dinner, everyone with their screen up.
00:13If you did that in New York, that would be considered really rude, I think, to have your phone.
00:16And yet, Joe.
00:17No, I don't like to have your phone face up on the table.
00:20I was like really stunned.
00:22OK, let's talk about phone culture.
00:24Joe, what is the right number of times to check your phone in 10 minutes?
00:27Is it five?
00:28Is it 500?
00:29I think that a lot of good friends would be around the table and then they would start pulling their
00:34phone.
00:35And what are they doing on their phone?
00:37It's actually totally trivial stuff.
00:38They're kind of just checking the progress of their JD.com or Alibaba deliveries.
00:44There is something, I think, not to be a boomer about this.
00:47No, that's fine.
00:48That's great.
00:49Important about attention.
00:50And then you walk into a store and every store in the mall has a girl live streaming on whatever
00:57the equivalent of TikTok is of like what's happening in the store.
01:00Like the degree of like phoneness was wild to me.
01:03How much of it is just because your entire life is basically oriented on your phone now?
01:08Payment systems, online shopping are even more endemic in China than they are here.
01:14Yeah, well, so this is where we should praise, you know, what enables the phone culture.
01:20First of all, let's say you have this amazing mobile infrastructure where 5G is truly everywhere.
01:27And, you know, it is kind of odd to me that you head into pockets of New York, namely the
01:32subway, as well as many other places, you know, kind of remote parts.
01:36And you just kind of drop out of cell access.
01:38And I kind of wish that we had mobile access everywhere.
01:41And you have basically a lot more apps that are highly functional.
01:46You're able to order absolutely anything you want into your door.
01:49You know, 15 minutes, you can get an amazing croissant.
01:52And so there are some good parts here.
01:54But the bad parts are when you're in China, you're kind of constantly expected to be on for your boss
01:59all the time.
02:01And so, you know, if we were in China, we have like three producers sitting behind us.
02:05We're going to have Joe texting them all the time about, you know, pick up this or that.
02:10And so I think that is less pleasant.
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