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An Epstein survivor has delivered a powerful response following testimony by Pam Bondi, raising fresh questions about accountability, transparency, and the handling of issues connected to the Epstein case.

The remarks came after a high-profile hearing that drew widespread public attention and reignited debate over unanswered questions surrounding the case. The survivor argued that the discussion extends far beyond a single testimony and reflects broader concerns about justice, oversight, and institutional responsibility.

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00:00Let me just start by sharing with the American public where we're actually right now in this
00:05transcribed interview. To repeat what we continue to say, it is a shame and a disservice to the
00:10American people that this interview is not being recorded, videotaped, and then released to the
00:17American public, and that she was not brought in under oath. We continue to say that this
00:22should be recorded by video and released to the American public, and we're also asking that
00:27Chairman Comer immediately released the transcripts that right now are being done throughout today.
00:33I want to also say just a few other things. It is clear in this part of the interview
00:42that she continues to push all of the investigation and the blame on acting AG Todd Blanche.
00:52She said, and I quote, acting AG Blanche was managing the entire investigation, end quote.
00:59And what you're going to hear in that interview, and what she's saying here in her words and remarks,
01:06is that it was Todd Blanche, the current acting AG, that was leading the Epstein investigation. And
01:21she continues to push that back onto the acting AG Todd Blanche, who, by the way, was Donald Trump's
01:26former personal lawyer. I also personally asked the former AG five times and five different questions
01:36about her conversations with President Trump, whether he directed her at any given time on the Epstein files,
01:43what he knew, what he asked her to redact or not, and she refused to answer any questions about President
01:51Trump.
01:52In fact, she said that she would not speak or respond to any questions that had anything to do with
01:59President Trump.
02:00It's also interesting that sitting next to her is DOJ counsel, somebody that currently works for the Department of Justice,
02:07who on multiple occasions stepped in and told the former Attorney General that she was not going to answer those
02:15questions,
02:16especially when we ask questions of what the President directed her to do.
02:21The DOJ is in there right now stopping questions about President Trump and about what happened in the release of
02:31these files
02:31and why so many survivors were doxxed and their information, of course, released to the public.
02:37And let me also just say, finally, before I turn this over to Liz, to Ms. Stein here.
02:42We asked questions about Ghislaine Maxwell in the transfer. And again, she referred those questions to Todd Blanche in the
02:49Bureau of Prisons.
02:50So let's be clear, we have many questions for Mr. Blanche and for the Bureau of Prisons that yet Republicans
02:56are refusing to ask.
02:57Why was she transferred to a less secure facility? And Ms. Bondi claims to have no knowledge of the actual
03:07transfer,
03:07no knowledge that it was a less secure prison, and didn't know about it until she found out after the
03:13fact,
03:14and then will refuse to answer additional questions. So let me introduce Ms. Stein, of course, to Brave Survivor with
03:20some remarks.
03:25My name is Liz Stein. In 1994, I was 21 years old and a senior in college when I met
03:34Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
03:36For years, the Epstein case has been treated like entertainment in this country. A spectacle, a conspiracy theory,
03:45an endless cycle of headlines and social media focused on sensationalism and powerful people.
03:52Republicans versus Democrats. Conspiracy versus cover-up. Left versus right. That framing is wrong.
04:01What has gotten lost in all of this is the reality of what this is. The crime of sex trafficking.
04:07More than a thousand vulnerable girls and young women were identified, groomed, trafficked and abused
04:16in a system Jeffrey Epstein built around power, coercion, exploitation and access to wealth and influence.
04:25And I think many Americans still do not fully understand what that means.
04:31Because if they did, they would never accept the way that this case is being handled.
04:37The partial release of the Epstein files riddled with redactions that expose identifying information about survivors
04:45while protecting perpetrators is not just bureaucratic incompetence.
04:50It reflects something much deeper about whose dignity our Department of Justice is prioritizing
05:00and whose suffering it is willing to sacrifice. And survivors see that clearly.
05:06For survivors, privacy is safety. Privacy is dignity. Privacy is the ability to rebuild a life
05:14without being re-traumatized by the very institutions that are supposed to protect us.
05:19And while survivors identifying information was exposed, the Department of Justice is simultaneously telling
05:27the American people that there are no additional investigative leads worth pursuing.
05:33We can see with our own eyes when we look at the Epstein files that this is not true.
05:38These files contain leads, names, connections, friendships, patterns, witnesses, travel records, financial relationships, and institutional failures.
05:53In any other sex trafficking case of this magnitude, those leads would be aggressively pursued.
05:59But in this case, they have not been. And as citizens of this country, we should all be asking why.
06:07That is why people are losing trust in our Department of Justice. Not because this case is politically inconvenient,
06:14but because Americans understand instinctively that justice should not operate differently for wealthy people who have power.
06:23And that is also why many of us have serious concerns about today's proceedings.
06:29This should not be a transcribed interview.
06:33Former attorney Pam Bondi should testify under oath on video with a full transcript and recording released publicly.
06:42Because the American people deserve transparency and accountability cannot only exist when it's politically convenient.
06:51For survivors, this has never been about politics.
06:54It's about whether we as victims of this crime matter when the cameras are off.
07:00It's about whether the United States Department of Justice is willing to fully confront a massive sex trafficking operation
07:08when wealthy and powerful people are implicated.
07:12That should concern every American.
07:15Because if the law only applies selectively, it is liberty for some, but not justice at all.
07:25Now we're going to hear from Melanie Stansbury.
07:29Good afternoon.
07:30I'm Melanie Stansbury and I represent New Mexico's first congressional district.
07:35And I want to be clear today that one thing is clear that this is absolutely a cover up and
07:42a smokescreen
07:43to prevent Pam Bondi from having to testify under oath pursuant to a congressional subpoena.
07:51Now let me explain a few things about what we have seen in the room.
07:56First and foremost, if Pam Bondi was complying with a congressional deposition to testify under oath,
08:07Department of Justice attorneys would not be intervening and essentially trying to stop her from answering basic questions
08:15about her conversations with Donald Trump, with the administration, and trying to claim that she does not have to answer
08:23questions.
08:24In fact, as the ranking member said, she has been asked multiple times about the Trump administration,
08:31about her conversations with the president, about her conversations with other administration officials.
08:38And when asked specifically about a conversation with Donald Trump, one of the Department of Justice attorneys intervened and said
08:46that she did not have to answer the question because it was a voluntary interview.
08:51And said, in fact, quote, we don't even have to assert privilege because of that and said, quote, we refuse
09:00to provide answers.
09:02That means that the United States Department of Justice is intervening on behalf of Pam Bondi to stop her from
09:10answering questions about what happened in the cover up of this case
09:15and her conversations with Donald Trump and is asserting that she does not have to answer questions because she is
09:22not required to because she is not being deposed under oath.
09:26This is a cover up. This is a cover up. This will be remembered as the largest cover up likely
09:32in American history.
09:33And it is clear that this interview is a smokescreen to try to show the American people that they are
09:39complying while they are not.
09:42Now, I also want to point out that there is not a single Republican in the room besides the chairman.
09:49For a supposed group of individuals who care deeply about justice for the survivors, not a single Republican could be
09:59bothered to travel across the country today to come hear testimony from the former attorney general.
10:06Not one. They're not here. And they won't allow this interview to be put on video for the American people
10:15to see.
10:15And that means that only those of us who are allowed in the room can tell you what is actually
10:21happening.
10:22And what I can tell you is that when we started to ask difficult question, Miss Bondi got combative.
10:29The DOGA attorneys began rolling their eyes. They started intervening and intervening and they tried to shut down any questions
10:38about the president and these administrations handling of the files.
10:43Now, I just want to end by saying this could all end now.
10:47The administration could end this by releasing the three million files they still have.
10:52In fact, Pam Bondi confirmed that they had six million files in their possession and have only released three million.
10:59She said that today they could end this now by investigating crimes of known perpetrators that we have seen in
11:06the files.
11:07They could end this now by turning the Epstein files into Epstein trials and they could end this now by
11:14actually speaking with survivors.
11:16And Pam Bondi herself said today that she had never spoken to a single survivor.
11:22She said that multiple times in the room today.
11:25So it's time to end the cover up. Now, I turn it now to Mr. Maxwell Frost of Florida's 10th.
11:33Thank you. I'll be really quick.
11:35Every single one of our questions got one of three responses.
11:38One, not to my recollection or I don't know.
11:41Number two, talk with Todd Blanche. I don't know anything about it.
11:45And number three, I am not talking about Donald Trump.
11:48Those are the three answers we're getting to every single question that we ask.
11:52This actually really reminds me of our deposition with Alex Acosta where he obviously didn't know anything about anything going
11:58on in his own damn office.
12:00It's the same thing with Pam Bondi.
12:01Either she doesn't know or Todd Blanche was running the entire operation.
12:05So, okay, we're going to want to talk with Todd Blanche.
12:08And we're hoping that not just Chairman Comer but every single Republican on this committee join us in issuing a
12:14subbeda to him because we need to speak with him.
12:16Because obviously the former Attorney General is in that room placing every single thing on the current acting Attorney General
12:22of the United States.
12:24And the fact that she won't answer any questions relating to Donald Trump is disgusting and shows just how much
12:29of a cover-up this is.
12:30First it started off with her saying, I'm not going to talk about any private conversations I've had with the
12:36President.
12:37Okay.
12:37Then we ask questions about the President generally.
12:40And she says, I'm not answering any questions having to do with the President at all.
12:45Any time we ask for any information relating to this administration, somebody from the Department of Justice sitting right next
12:51to her puts their hand over the mic and tells her, do not answer that question.
12:56It's disgusting.
12:58It's a cover-up in broad daylight.
13:00And what they're hoping will happen is we'll walk out of here and we'll stop, but we're not going to
13:04stop.
13:04We are committed to this.
13:06We're not going to let this story die.
13:08We're not going to allow the survivors to just go off, right, and people forget about this.
13:13We're going to keep fighting for justice.
13:15We're going to talk with Todd Blanche.
13:16We're going to talk with people and we're going to get the answers here.
13:19We're not going to let this story die.
13:20It's a disgrace what Pam Bondi is doing in that room.
13:23It's the same thing she did months ago when she came to try to evade this appena by coming in
13:27and speaking to us, not under oath.
13:30But we're going to keep this fight off.
13:34I got it.
13:35Thank you all so much for being here.
13:37I'm summerly representing Pennsylvania's 12th congressional district.
13:40And listen, my colleagues have really laid it out.
13:43But what we've been seeing has been a consistent theme, not just since last August, when our ranking member Garcia
13:50and I were able to help to secure the initial subpoena to actually bring in the DOJ to release all
13:57of the fouls to our committee.
13:58But it has been an ongoing theme here.
14:01What we just witnessed from Pam Bondi, what she demonstrated was the fact that they believe and that they are
14:08an unaccountable DOJ that's running cover for and protecting an unaccountable president and administration.
14:16But the real problem is that while we might expect Donald Trump to move in this way, someone who has
14:22himself been named in these fouls, we shouldn't expect that Chairman Comer, that our Congress, that Republicans here, sorry to
14:30make it political.
14:31But those folks who do have the power to actually use what influence, what tools we have with the United
14:39States Congress to actually bring about some justice right now and to allow her to continually, to continually evade justice,
14:46to evade questions as we've seen today.
14:47It's a continuation of the indignity that they've inflicted upon our survivors, the indignity that they've inflicted upon the American
14:56population who have continuously had to watch an unaccountable justice system, a two-tier justice system in our country and
15:03people all over the world who are looking to see if the United States will get their shit together.
15:08And the reality is, is that they are refusing to do that.
15:12Every step of this last year that we've gone through this process, which is, as we know, simply a renewed
15:18process here, because survivors have been fighting for justice for decades now.
15:23But since the Congress has taken up this particular fight in the ways that we've been able to by being
15:29able to press for subpoenas, we've seen over and over and over an unwillingness of power to be accountable to
15:35people.
15:35An unwillingness of our Congress to be a co-equal branch of government with the presidency, with the executive branch,
15:43and truly an unwillingness for us to actually demonstrate that we are willing to put women, children, and survivors first.
15:50So right now what we want to do and what we're committed to doing is continuing to keep the main
15:54story the main story.
15:55That justice doesn't have a time limit.
15:57And no matter how much Comer or Bondi or Blanche or Trump or whoever else fights back against the truth
16:04coming out, that this fight will continue.
16:07That we will not relent until every single person who has been impacted, not just by Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine
16:15Maxwell, but everyone who's being covered up or hidden.
16:18And the fouls are in people's personal knowledge that they won't share truthfully with us in whether they're unofficial transcripts
16:25or real depositions on the record.
16:27But it's important that they recognize that not only will the oversight dim, but also the American people will not
16:32back down.
16:33The survivors have not and will not back down.
16:35And it's important that we continue to keep this pressure on them and remind them that legally binding subpoenas must
16:42be answered.
16:43So right now, Pam Bondi is in non-compliance with two for herself.
16:48And we have to keep putting our pressure on them.
16:50And we'll continue to do that.
16:52I will hand it over now to Rhett Superman.
16:55I just want to talk about the survivors for a second.
16:58Thank you so much for your words.
16:59They're here today.
17:00They were with us in Palm Beach a few weeks ago when we had a hearing there.
17:03And they've asked the Department of Justice repeatedly to meet with them.
17:07They've asked repeatedly to release certain files to them at least as their witness statements.
17:12And so we asked Pam Bondi about that today.
17:15She said it wouldn't be appropriate to meet with them for some reason.
17:18She said she doesn't recall anything about them asking for their witness statements.
17:23She's forgotten all about all of their requests, even their public letters.
17:27It seems as though she was ignoring survivors this whole time, which is pretty astounding to me.
17:32So I also asked her pretty basic questions about whether she knew about any effort to look for Donald Trump's
17:39name in the files before they were released.
17:41And she says she doesn't recall.
17:43And so I think it wasn't that long ago before they were releasing the files, yet somehow she doesn't recall
17:49things that happened about six months ago.
17:51And then finally, going back to Ghislaine Maxwell, she said she wasn't involved at all in the process of moving
17:57her to another prison.
17:59But she wasn't sure if that new prison was even a lower security prison, which factually it is.
18:04She also thinks that the Bureau of Prisons is doing a great job.
18:07And she said that these things happen all the time because you want to protect some of these folks in
18:13prison.
18:13Well, that's true.
18:13But we really need to protect Ghislaine Maxwell right after she just talked to Todd Blanch about the Epstein files.
18:20Seemed too coincidental.
18:21But again, she doesn't recall a lot of other things.
18:23It was a really unimpressive, disappointing interview today.
18:28But not surprising to us.
18:30We're not going to stop our investigation.
18:32I'm going to hand it over to Yasmeen Ansari.
18:37Today's ridiculous charade has made astonishingly clear that the United States Department of Justice has been weaponized by Donald Trump
18:46to ensure that the most massive cover-up in American history is carried out.
18:52And this is being enabled by Republicans in Congress, led by Republican Chairman James Comer and Speaker of the House
18:59Mike Johnson.
18:59This entire Epstein investigation led by Chairman Comer has been absurd.
19:06We have two legal subpoenas against former Attorney General Pam Bondi.
19:12She is supposed to be here under oath today on video answering questions for the American people about her role
19:21and the direct hand that she had in this cover-up.
19:24Instead, she is deflecting.
19:26She is refusing to answer questions.
19:27And she continues to refuse to answer specific questions about the president of the United States.
19:35It is so clear that whether it be Pam Bondi, whether it be Chairman Comer, whether it be Mike Johnson,
19:41the entire party is terrified of Donald Trump and his retaliation as it pertains to the cover-up of the
19:49Epstein files.
19:50It's unacceptable.
19:51It is notable that she continues to blame Todd Blanch and Kash Patel.
19:56We, of course, want to speak to them.
19:58But I think what I want to make clear to the American public and to everybody, and to the survivors
20:03especially, is that we are not going to give up on this.
20:06I think Republicans believe that they just kind of carry out these nonsense transcribed interviews and don't show up here
20:14today, that we will forget about this.
20:16We are just getting started as it pertains to accountability and justice for the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell,
20:25and any other rich and powerful person in this country who perpetrated these crimes.
20:31I'm going to hand it over to Congressman Min.
20:34Thank you very much.
20:35Congressman Dave Min out of California 47.
20:37And, yes, I have an election in 40.
20:39It's a very important one.
20:40Robert Garcia and I have our primary elections on Tuesday of next week.
20:44But I'm here rather than in my district because this is important.
20:47We looked the survivors in the eye last year and made a promise to them that we would try to
20:52find justice, find transparency.
20:55Republicans also looked these women in the eye and did not follow through.
20:58It's a shame that James Comer is the only Republican here today because this is the biggest cover-up in
21:03history.
21:03This should not be a partisan issue.
21:05Now, as a former law professor, as a lawyer, I just want to note a couple things that struck out
21:10to me.
21:12One, the fact that she is appearing as a voluntary witness today, voluntary interview, is important because she's claiming that
21:18she's not complying with the subpoena.
21:20She's claiming the subpoena doesn't apply to her because she's no longer with the Department of Justice.
21:24But at the same time, as has been noted, you have two DOJ attorneys in there.
21:28If it's a personal interview voluntarily done, why is the DOJ so heavily involved?
21:33It doesn't make any sense unless you think about it as a cover-up.
21:36The second point I want to make, we got a pretty important insight today into the flimsy basis on which
21:41they're not turning over 3 million documents right now.
21:44They claimed earlier that, Tan Bondi claimed, that documents that were related to any decisions to prosecute or not prosecute
21:53were being withheld.
21:54That is all the witness interviews.
21:55It's all the evidence gathered by the FBI.
21:57There's a reason we don't have the smoking guns.
21:59We don't have the video evidence.
22:00We don't have the witness interviews because they're claiming that's all privileged.
22:03And that is a bunch of bullshit, pardon my language.
22:05Any lawyer will tell you that our subpoena, whether it's the Oversight Subpoena or the Epstein Files Transparency Act, specifically
22:12applies to these types of documents.
22:14We don't have the real information here because they're claiming it's all privileged.
22:18And that is something that we need to get to the bottom of.
22:21This, I think, actually exposed a lot of what they're doing right now.
22:24We need those documents.
22:25This should give us the basis to overturn them.
22:27And I'll just echo what everyone else is saying in there.
22:29It's a sham in there.
22:30They are not answering any questions.
22:31And with that, I want to turn it over to my friend James Wackenshaw from Virginia.
22:36There's a terrible and tragic irony at play this week because behind these closed doors, the Department of Justice is
22:44continuing to cover up and stonewall the courageous Epstein survivors like Liz here.
22:52At the same time, the same Department of Justice led by Harmeet Dillon and others, Todd Blanche, has launched an
23:00investigation into E. Jean Carroll and those who supported her successful legal effort that found Donald Trump liable of sexual
23:08assault.
23:09So the message to survivors of sexual assault from this administration and this Department of Justice, sadly, is quite clear
23:19this week.
23:20I want to share one piece of information, one question that the former Attorney General did answer.
23:27She was asked specifically about Donald Trump, President Trump's awareness of Epstein's crimes before they became public knowledge.
23:38She had the opportunity to say Donald Trump certainly wasn't aware of those crimes.
23:44She had the opportunity to say, I know Donald Trump, and if he was aware of those crimes, he would
23:49have done something.
23:51Instead, she said, I don't know.
23:53She also said, quote, this is a direct quote, I'm not certain of the extent of his knowledge.
24:01I think that's a perfect example as to why we need Pam Bondi under oath in a real deposition for
24:11the camera so the American people can see and hear her answers to our questions for themselves.
24:17I'll turn it over to the ranking member.
24:19Well, a couple of questions that we're going to go.
24:20We've got to.
24:21It's continuing.
24:21So we've got to keep going.
24:22So a couple of questions.
24:23Thank you, Mr. Ranking Member.
24:24So what's your next step to try to subpoena Todd Blanche to compel his testimony?
24:29And if so, do you have the votes?
24:31Well, the request is going in today to Chairman Comer to have Todd Blanche come in.
24:36It's clear that after this testimony, that is where a lot of the information is.
24:39And so we're going to if he doesn't do it, we're going to force a subpoena and try to get
24:43votes.
24:43But he's got to come in.
24:44Cash Patel's name was also mentioned where there'll be a subpoena for him as well.
24:47Cash Patel is number two on the list.
24:49So Cash Patel was multiple times that we had questions about the FBI, the way the files were redacted, why
24:54redactions were done so messy and why there was doxing that happened in certain cases survivors.
25:00The finger was pointed back at Cash Patel.
25:01And so we have questions for Cash Patel as well.
25:03Yes.
25:10Well, first, let's be really clear.
25:13It's bizarre that the DOJ is also someone from the DOJ, a high ranking official is also acting now as
25:20personal counsel to Miss Bondi.
25:23And so the fact that the DOJ is essentially stopping Miss Bondi from answering questions and interjecting, particularly around President
25:30Trump, is incredibly concerning.
25:32And the fact that it's being allowed by Chairman Comer is also as concerning.
25:37She stopped Miss Bondi multiple times from answering questions and interjected multiple times, especially as related to President Trump.
25:45One last question.
25:46What is oversight then's next step to compel more police about the action trial?
25:51Look, I think there are still half, 50 percent of the documents have not been released to the public or
25:56the Congress.
25:57We're going to continue to get those.
25:58That's breaking the law, the Transparency Act and the subpoena.
26:01And of course, we have additional subpoena ideas on the way.
26:03We're going to go back in, guys.
26:04Thank you very much.
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