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04:18The idea of those tariffs is both to keep out subsidized product from China,
04:25where they're selling steel and aluminum at prices that really nobody in the world can compete with
04:32because they're subsidized by the Chinese government.
04:35So Europe is doing the same thing on steel and aluminum that the United States is.
04:39On Greenland, what the president said was he wouldn't take any options off the table.
04:43Greenland is a very strategically important issue for the United States.
04:47It's important for Europe.
04:48I don't think really a year ago, if we had this discussion,
04:51people would be as aware of how strategically important Greenland is.
04:55So it's important for the United States.
04:57It's important for Europe.
04:58And it's important that people understand that this is an area of the country,
05:02an area of the world where China and Russia will try and take advantage.
05:07And I think they're a little more nervous about how the United States would react
05:10than they are about how Denmark would react.
05:12So could you say then that Denmark has nothing to worry about?
05:15Because we did also see the prime minister of Greenland saying that the U.S. envoy to nuke
05:20pretty much had the same intentions as Donald Trump said he did back in January.
05:24Marco Rubio said Greenland's part of Denmark for now.
05:27So it seems to be a little bit more than highlighting the security threat from Russia and China
05:32in the high north and the Arctic.
05:33Well, but it did highlight the security threat.
05:36I think that's the important point here.
05:37Whether or not the United States becomes more involved and the extent to which we become more involved
05:42will, in fact, be decided by the President and Secretary Rubio, not by me.
05:46But I think it's important we understand that it's important that the United States be involved
05:50and remain involved in Greenland.
05:53And I think it's I think Europe has now realized that it needs to step up its defense
05:58and its position with respect to Greenland.
06:00So I think we're headed in the right direction.
06:02Where it ends up, that'll be, as I said, up to the President and the Secretary of State.
06:06And we've seen President Zelensky of Ukraine taking, I suppose, the mantle into his own hands
06:12about trying to end the Russian invasion of his country, where he wrote a letter personally
06:18for President Putin saying that he would like to meet him.
06:21Do you think this is a good idea that the Ukrainians are going to try to take control of the
06:25situation
06:26and the Europeans maybe?
06:27Because obviously the U.S. is very busy dealing with the Strait of Ormos.
06:31So the extent to which the President or Secretary Rubio are involved in the peace negotiations
06:37with Ukraine is obviously something that's that's in the discretion of the President.
06:43I think he's been very open that he wants to see this war end.
06:47I think it's been a great frustration to him that he hasn't been able to bring about an end
06:51to the war.
06:52I have not talked to him about it, but I'd be very surprised if he objected to Putin
06:57and Zelensky talking, particularly if it ended up with a resolution to this conflict.
07:01I think the Ukrainian people have lasted here much longer than anybody thought they were
07:05going to last.
07:06I think a lot of people thought they wouldn't, they maybe wouldn't make it a couple of weeks
07:09and we're, I think we're in year five.
07:11So this is, they've been incredibly resilient and I hope they bring about an end to the war.
07:16I think it's important to everybody.
07:17One of the concerns that Europe has is that the Americans are moving away from the security
07:24architecture of the European continent, which of course the Europeans are saying, this is
07:27about time, we need to step up, we need to start paying 5% and so on.
07:32But there's a real fear that that also means in times of war that maybe our allies won't
07:38be there for them.
07:39When you look at the sort of NATO force model and the reduction of the capabilities that
07:42are existing there.
07:43Do you think America is turning away from the Europe?
07:46Well, I think America is refocusing some of its energies and resources on dealing with
07:53Asia, which is, we have a competitor in China that really requires that we refocus how we
08:00allocate our resources.
08:01And there's certainly nothing wrong with asking Europe to step up and take care of itself.
08:06But look, America came to the defense of Europe twice in the last century.
08:09We defended Europe throughout the Cold War and actually have defended them since the fall
08:14of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War.
08:16So we still have massive numbers of troops here and massive numbers of military armaments
08:21and supplies.
08:22There's nothing wrong with the United States cutting back on that and Europe taking a more
08:26assertive role in its own defense.
08:28I think that's something we want.
08:30And I believe it's something that the Europeans now realize and that the Europeans want.
08:33I think that some of the fears from the European capitals is that it's happening at a time
08:38when the United States, particularly President Trump, is extremely disappointed.
08:41He's made that very clear to Mark Rutte and so on, and to the Europeans themselves, that
08:45about their lack of support in the aftermath of the U.S. and Israeli strikes on the Iran in
08:51relation to the strait from us.
08:52Has that situation subsided for Donald Trump?
08:56I don't know that it subsided.
08:58I mean, I know he's very disappointed.
08:59We have a situation where the president, at great political risk, I mean, nobody, you know,
09:06his party was not, the MAGA movement is not supportive of foreign wars.
09:11Democrats were going to oppose him no matter what he did.
09:14So without really any political advantage, he assessed the situation, saw the development
09:20of the missiles and the drones in Iran, and they're continuing to try and get access to
09:26a nuclear weapon.
09:27They're having that visible nuclear material where they could create 10 or 11 bombs.
09:32And said, rather than kicking the can down the road or passing the buck, whichever metaphor
09:37you want to use, he decided that it was important that he act, despite the fact that it wouldn't
09:42be to his political advantage, because it was the right thing to do.
09:45We have bases in Europe that we have funded and supported for decades.
09:51We have countries that we've rescued in war, and we've been a very reliable ally to.
09:56When they won't even let us fly over their country or use our bases in their countries,
10:01you're going to find the United States, and particularly President Trump, will be very upset.
10:06And I don't know when that subsides, but hopefully it will over time, but I don't know if it has
10:11yet.
10:12Do you think that this sort of reaction then at NATO is part of that, saying,
10:15look, you didn't come to our aid, so therefore we won't be there for you in times of need,
10:19and that's why we're removing capabilities?
10:21No, I don't think anybody said that.
10:23What I've heard Secretary Rubio say is, look, we're supportive of NATO, but the reason that
10:27we have an alliance is so that we defend each other and work together.
10:30And if that's not how the alliance is going to work, then we need to reassess it.
10:34Nobody, I don't think anybody said we're pulling out of NATO, we're going to pull out of NATO.
10:38What about the Europeans' perspective when they say NATO is a defensive organization,
10:42this was an offensive war outside the territory of NATO, so therefore the obligation wasn't
10:49for us, particularly when we weren't consulted?
10:51I think that's a little too technical and a little too ignoring of reality.
10:55The Iranians have been at war with at least the United States and Israel for 47 years.
11:00I mean, they've been killing people.
11:02They've got these groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that go out and attack the U.S. forces and Israeli
11:10forces.
11:10They've now bombed Cyprus.
11:12They tried to bomb.
11:13They sent a missile down to the island off of India's Diego.
11:18I can't remember what the name of it is, but the island that the British control off the
11:21coast of India.
11:22Diego Garcia.
11:22Diego Garcia.
11:23So I think that may be a technical explanation that tries to get them off the hook for something
11:30they maybe should have done.
11:31Nobody was asking them to send troops.
11:33All we want to do is fly over the countries we defended and use the air bases or the military
11:40bases that we maintain in those countries.
11:42So if you're not willing to do that, what are you willing to do?
11:45So it was a big mistake for a small ask.
11:47Is that what you're saying?
11:48I would say that was a very good summary.
11:51Ambassador Andrew Pudson, thank you very much for joining us.
11:54My pleasure.
11:54Thank you very much for joining us at UR News.
11:55Thank you.
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