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00:08Hello and welcome to The Ring Euronews'
00:11weekly debatet show broadcasting from
00:13the European parliaments in Brussels
00:15I'm Stefan Grobe on The Ring debaters go
00:18face to face on some of the biggest
00:20political issues facing Europe today we
00:23want to talk about the latest from the
00:25war in Ukraine what's the answer to
00:28russian drone attacks and what can european diplomacy achieve luis albertos explains
00:37as the war in ukraine grinds into its fifth summer a peaceful solution remains as elusive as ever
00:44the same can be said about a clear european strategy nowhere is this more evident than
00:49in the european response to the ongoing violations of eu airspace by russian drones
00:56the latest incident in romania last week yielded strong condemnation but nothing more
01:01this is frustrating especially the baltic republics who fear to be in the russian crosshairs next
01:09is europe just eager to avoid a more serious confrontation with moscow
01:13are some european leaders concerned that they might jeopardize their potential role as mediators in
01:18this conflict and is this even realistic as europe remains ukraine's strongest political and economic
01:24backer a lot to unpack here for our contenders and here they are rasa jugnavicina a lithuanian mp from
01:38the central right european people's party she is the vice chair of the delegation to the uranist
01:43parliamentary assembly and a member of the committee of foreign affairs one of the most outspoken voices
01:48on european security she said i do not believe in deals with putin peace negotiations are possible
01:54but only after a ceasefire a finnish mep from the left and a member of the committee on security and
02:03defense a former finnish transport minister she has been a vocal supporter of ukraine and has called for
02:09frozen russian assets to be made available to support the country she has also warned against
02:14complacency towards moscow in some countries there is still a naive attitude towards russia she said
02:21arguing that europe must take the russian threat seriously
02:27so let me welcome to the ring rasa you can have it in a on maria kilonen great to have
02:33you here
02:33both of you good to see you hello now the aim of the ring is to offer our viewers a
02:39glimpse
02:39at european parliament debates so you should feel right at home are you ready yes good now i want
02:47to start with that incident that happened uh last week the russian drone attack uh the drone that
02:54crashed into an apartment building in romania um after that eu leaders portrayed it not as an isolated
03:02incident but as evidence that russia's war against ukraine is increasingly spilling across borders
03:09now what conclusion should europe draw now may i start with you definitely condense is not enough
03:18we need fix up our capability security secure our countries our people because scare scariness is the
03:28biggest weapon which russia is using and scariness when it's going ahead it makes us weak
03:38and i think the drones the all the security which we can do with with drone we have speak about
03:48the drone wall
03:49but we need more sensors the new technology and definitely use money wisely over the military budget also
04:00because there's other operators which are dealing with these cases and for example i have learned it
04:06from my home country finland that we haven't been able to activate the system in other parts than only
04:14the military side and i think the civil societies are urgent in this case raza you're from lithuania
04:22a country that as we heard um is always you know at the crosshairs of russia so uh everybody believes
04:29when you hear
04:30this news after this news after romania after the incursions in the baltic states in poland what is your take
04:36my take is the same as it was in the very beginning when this war started and not only in
04:422022
04:43but in 2014 uh we were warning all the time europe nato other many countries that is serious it's not
04:54only regional war somewhere and today i think we are in a better situation as european union as many
05:02nato countries because we have almost right diagnosis on the table as medical doctor in the past i have
05:10to say and it's very important for politicians as well first of all to have the right diagnosis drones are
05:18only one piece of the whole picture puzzle which we have so the picture the whole picture is that russia
05:27is
05:28uh colonial imperialistic state and they will not stop just with ukraine or only peace of ukraine
05:38so this diagnosis not yet on agenda on the table in many in all the countries so if we want
05:46to have
05:47a proper treatment against drones i don't know against everything we have to understand that we have to
05:55help ukraine to win this war and to not to be afraid to defeat putin it was mentioned fair in
06:02video
06:03in this short video no we don't feel fair because we like ukrainians we would like to convince others
06:10not to be afraid to defeat this evil of 21st century they want to make us weak make us fight
06:18together
06:18yes make us not trust to each other that's the political game that's the colonial kind of game
06:26also what they are so nato condemned this attack but stopped short of um uh treating it as an armed
06:36attack that could trigger article 5 the the famous uh self-defense uh collective defense clause was this
06:44the right thing to do sort of condemning it but also signaling that this we don't think this is a
06:53you know a casus belli i'm a little bit worried that we are waiting the big bang to happen because
07:01russia
07:02is testing us and when it will happen that something bigger comes either to baltic countries either to
07:10Finland or to poland i think we are the next targets and the diplomacy and the condemn things
07:18okay it helps us a little bit but actually something which is much more than this is the power
07:29that we need to say it out loud that we are not giving up now the the russians are saying
07:37uh and obviously
07:38that that apartment building in romania was sort of a random target the russians are saying that's
07:43actually the ukraine's fault because they're jamming the airwaves and that makes drones difficult
07:48um difficult to operate what do you make of this argument look it is not the case to start to
07:55look
07:55drone ukrainian russian or something else russia is responsible for this war russia is responsible for
08:03all drones in ukraine in our space or putin is responsible that people of russia now is suffering
08:11because of ukrainian response they are defending themselves so here uh coming back to your the
08:18question about nato response uh what is lacking i think uh to understand that we are strong enough
08:28to be able to help put uh ukraine to win and not to be afraid and putin has to get
08:36a message that we
08:37are strong and we are ready now still now situation is a little bit better but remember in the very
08:44beginning of this large-scale war what messages were sent to putin oh please for us for everybody
08:51uh we are afraid of the world war three don't attack uh russian targets in deep in russia uh we
08:59don't
08:59uh we will not provide leopards we will not provide with long-range missiles what was the message to putin
09:07the message was we are afraid so today we have to say in a very clear way we have enough
09:15resources to do
09:17everything the best to defend ourselves including the targets in russia don't be afraid to for that
09:24because if we are afraid of escalation so putin is opportunistic okay so has our response been lukewarm
09:32so far i think uh we as uh eastern borderline countries have a different side of this picture
09:43more than for example in the central part of europe and that worries me a lot because this is also
09:50a
09:50media war because the information we give to other countries information we give to russia the russian
09:58people i still can go to spain or france and see in the telly the russian news and it shocks
10:07me because it
10:08means that we don't act like we are all in war with russia speaking about uh worry so after this
10:19incident dmitry medvedev um who you all know the deputy chairman of the russian security council said
10:25this and i quote eu countries need to shut up on this matter european states are direct participants
10:32in the war against russia this will continue to happen and eu citizens will not be able to sleep
10:38peacefully how worried should we be so what so what we of course are at war helping ukraine to win
10:48of course we are at war because russia is conducting already hybrid warfare in our member states so we
10:56have to admit this and not to be afraid what medvedev is saying is vice versa look you mentioned uh
11:03russia
11:04today or all those outlets in other european countries imagine if during the world war second
11:11hitler propaganda would be broadcasted in countries they are fighting against uh hitler so today we have
11:20this totalitarian regime with the very concrete name rusky mir russian world and this is exactly
11:28the same as it was uh maybe in 21st century hitler and stalin together so we have to admit all
11:35of us if
11:36we are fighting we have to fight all right uh let me stop you here um as we're just getting
11:43warmed up
11:43now we want viewers to get a real flavor of the european parliament chamber where members ask each other
11:57questions that means we want our debaters to challenge each other directly just as you do in the normal
12:03hemicycle so let's get started rasa let's uh start with you my question is what is your assessment of
12:10donald trump's uh nearly year-long efforts to negotiate deals with putin
12:17i hate the situation that he is stealing
12:23over us i i got the feeling that we need stronger leadership in eu i have said that if the
12:33bigger ones
12:33can't do it we as a smaller eu countries should do that i'm not saying that diplomacy is the case
12:41how we can solve all the problems but we are partners with ukraine and in every any case in every
12:50way we
12:51can support ukraine in this situation it's urgently needed to be done and i wouldn't let these two guys
13:02destroy our future and decide over europe and over ukraine i'm sure we come to this point later but now
13:10your question to rasa you have said that you cannot be a neutral mediator i agree europe is not neutral
13:20between an aggressor and victim but if the us and russia talk talk about europe's security architecture and
13:28and russia drones are violating our uh airspace who should speak for europe with one clear mandate ukraine's
13:39sovereignty the pressure on russia and protector protection of european citizens who could be
13:46interesting question you know i don't believe in putin's engagement to talk to start any negotiations
13:55today we have quite different situation as it was one year ago and i think putin and he feels i
14:04think
14:04his at least his surroundings they feel that they are losing they are not winning this war maybe not
14:10losing but they are not winning this war and they are really in very difficult situation so that's why
14:17they are trying to escalate situation it's not uh it's it's dangerous of course we have to take it
14:23seriously but nevertheless not to start negotiations uh about everything about the future of russia about
14:31everything we have to start to talk with him first precondition is ceasefire yeah and then
14:38to start to start to talk about the peace but not about you know everything so today what i am
14:45missing in those talks among european leaders to start or not to start negotiations the content the
14:52understanding we just started our show our uh conversation about the right diagnosis so until we don't have this
15:01right diagnosis what we would like to achieve and that is the evil of 21st century so i i can't
15:07imagine
15:08negotiations with hitler uh in 1943 or 44. so for me it's exactly the same lesson of history we have
15:18to uh
15:19lend okay so well we've heard the views from our guests so far now it's time to hear from a
15:25new voice
15:30for our quote of the week i would like to bring in kaya kalas the eu's chief diplomat at the
15:36latest
15:36eu summit in cyprus she said this russia wants us to discuss who talks to them and they are already
15:44picking who is suitable for that let's not walk into that trap are we walking into a trap here your
15:52comment yeah yeah yes we didn't make things like that that he can choose who is the operator so there
16:01there are basically two um um schools of thought here one says people are dying in this conflict
16:07we need to put an end to this that's why we need to uh find a negotiated solution and the
16:13other
16:14position is it's russia's war russia is not interested in negotiations so we need to continue the fight
16:20until they withdraw or until they lost the war rasa where do you come down on this look it is
16:27not
16:27uh what we believe or not will happen it already happened one year of negotiations or uh attempts to
16:35make a deal with putin uh from washington dc failed you mean with the the american land effort let's admit
16:41it it it failed so is it something new it is somehow but also it uh cost a lot ukrainian
16:51lives it cost a
16:53lot and we were very close to legitimization of putin's regime if putin would be clever enough to
17:01agree on those uh i would say uh to make the deal which was proposed uh it didn't happen i
17:11don't know
17:11what will happen in the future but now we have to strengthen our own defense we have to help ukraine
17:18as
17:19as much as possible today this is the main precondition for the future just peace in the future
17:26the only precondition would you uh would you say that um we need to wait until the solution is found
17:34on the battlefield until ukraine won the war and then we can talk and not earlier i think we need
17:41to
17:41definitely pressure rasa much more hard weapons than we are using now how can we do that should we
17:49i mean the financial the the market all the things we can do with the oil with systems we have
17:58the
17:59capability with eu have in others than than only the military help to ukraine but i think we need also
18:08support more ukraine militarily you mean militarily yeah so all these top weapons that so far
18:16we haven't given them we should give them yes of course everything they need everything they need
18:21look i like this uh name what they how they call uh strikes deep to russia they call it like
18:31uh long
18:32range range range range sanctions it works it works russia has to feel they have to feel that they are
18:42at
18:42war russians as well unfortunately and i have very many friends from russian opposition i know how painful
18:50it is for all sides when war is going on but nevertheless no one war was one only defending yourself
19:00it's as a former minister of defense i have to say this it's reality it is like textbook of every
19:09war
19:09so when we were afraid to damage something inside russia we were wrong we could win this war already
19:19together with ukrainians i or maybe help more ukraine to win this war if end of 2022 beginning 23 when
19:28ukrainians pushed back russians from her son and harkov that was very good moment to provide ukrainians with
19:36everything they needed we were afraid to do this we were afraid all right um let's keep defense
19:42spending for another conversation in a moment and let's take a break now here on the ring we'll be
19:49back with more after this don't go away welcome back to the ring euronews's weekly debate show i'm
20:05stefan grove and i'm joined by rasa jugnevicine from the european people's party from lithuania and
20:11merja kilonen from the left group from finland at this point let's take a look at european defense
20:17spending since the start of the war in ukraine your defense spending went from more than 200 billion
20:24euros in 2021 to almost 350 billion in 2024 this represents an increase of 60 more than 60 percent defense
20:34spending reached almost 2 percent of eu gdp in 2024 up from 1.6 percent in 2023 now 25 of
20:44the 27
20:46eu member states boosted defense spending in 2024 now your comments hearing these figures merja
20:52i want more strategic thinking around eu using our defense money smartly what does that mean that means
21:06that we need to have common projects where we build up the security about the air security air defense air
21:18uh build up a new resilient systems around eu because the common peace of our citizens is also the key
21:32to be
21:33prepared as our former president soli minister in his report tried to teach us so what worries me is that
21:43we don't have seen the whole picture i think we are well prepared with baltic country with poland
21:51the eastern borderline but how we can connect all the others to understand so is it really more money
21:57or is it spending the money that we have in a better way more efficient way it's it's also more
22:04money
22:04but the key issue is using it smartly much more smartly and wisely than we have done before and using
22:13it also the new technology
22:15because what ukrainians are saying to us we are acting like everything is like in the old years
22:25and things have changed yeah and we have to change our thinking too rasa your point of course increasing
22:34spending's percentages are very important and here despite i i have some criticism on donald trump but
22:44on this i have to admit that his push to europeans to spend more was very positive message and very
22:52positive thing he did uh we in lithuania now our spendings for this year will be 5.38 yeah uh
23:02so
23:02this is because we understand and people understand our reality uh but on the other hand uh i would
23:09say i will quote andrew skubilius our commissioner for defense not percentages fighting in the battlefield
23:16you know we have to have i will not repeat what you did mention uh all those common uh understanding
23:23so that's why me and many other uh more than 50 now members of european parliament including you maria
23:31uh we uh created informal group for defense european defense union and we would like to push especially
23:40member states to wake up yes i feel that some member member states they still live in the past as
23:48it was
23:49before you know as it is very famous uh uh quote of uh uh politologist clark politicians think about next
23:59election statesmen think about next generation so now we have to be in one to think about next election of
24:07course it's important but to think more about you say there are 50 uh like-minded members of parliament
24:13uh with you on this but the parliament has 700 plus uh where are the others here what is this
24:22my question
24:22is is this um is this a point where large majorities agree even in the public maya the rearming of
24:34europe
24:34i think we have just started because we realized that no no uh the big part of us share the
24:43same view
24:45which which is the situation in europe or in white world and i think always there has been a people
24:53who
24:54start the game and i think 50 is more than good because we have uh different countries different political
25:02background different history different political history and we can find um colleagues from our
25:09countries from different kind of background and build up a common understanding around this
25:17i was surprised that we already have the 50 because there was there was lots of people who were saying
25:23that oh we just look and check out things i think we have made the wake up call now we
25:30have to continue
25:31all right well now it's time to move on to our fifth and final round
25:40and now we want to do something different i'm going to ask you a set of questions and you can
25:45only
25:45answer with yes or no should ukraine agree to a ceasefire even if russia keeps some occupied territory
25:57no immediately oh i think it's up to ukrainians to decide but i think yes yes but not uh you
26:07know to
26:08recognize not without recognitions okay should european countries send more weapons to ukraine yes of course
26:16yes yes should ukraine be allowed to strike targets deep inside russia with western weapons yes yes
26:25have cheap drones made traditional military hardware less relevant no maybe not interesting should ukraine
26:36join nato before the war ends no i know that can't be possible yes with one additional sentence ukraine
26:49today is acting as member of nato they are defending nato member states okay i have one more will this
26:57war
26:57still be ongoing in one year's time hope not i am afraid yes will all right and that final answer
27:08brings
27:09us to the end of this edition of the ring thanks again to rassa jugnavietschene and merja kilonen for
27:16a lively conversation here from the european parliament thanks to our audience at home if you like you can
27:21continue the conversation by sending us your comments to the ring at euronews.com we'd love to have your
27:28feedback that's it for today i'm stefan grobe take care and see you soon on euronews
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