00:00We really need to, I feel, double down on the architecture of the global rules-based order.
00:05It's totally different to how we would have imagined this 10 years ago.
00:09So it's reshaping our defence force, but I think it's reshaping defence forces around the world.
00:14Well, certainly we're anxious to see that peace and stability can be brought forward as soon as possible.
00:19And then from a New Zealand point of view, we will think if there are contributions that we can make
00:23to ensure freedom of navigation and other aspects of a more normal return to the rules-based order,
00:30will be possible.
00:31This is not something new, because we faced that back in 1987-88, after the Iran-Iraq war.
00:39I mean, freedom of navigation, straight or almost a clear of mind, it's something that, I mean,
00:45it's in everybody's interest.
00:47I mean, so, I mean, European nation, I mean, the coalition of the willing, which is the way we call
00:53them,
00:53it's ready to do, to help whenever there will be the condition in being able to intervene.
01:02And that's something that I'm expecting.
01:03Although we try to see that there should be no gap in the defence acquisition or what other
01:15countries have in their arsenal, this war teaches that we can adopt the asymmetrical warfare in
01:27dealing with countries which have unequal strength or arsenal in their defence.
01:40So, Malaysia is also looking at that, using the asymmetrical, adopting the asymmetrical warfare approach.
01:53There are some of the defence leaders speaking to Bloomberg at Singapore's Shangri-La Dialogue.
01:59U.S. Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth also spoke at the forum, seeking to convince U.S. allies
02:03that staying quiet on Taiwan is the best way to project American strength.
02:09Let's get to our China correspondent, Min Min Lo.
02:11Min Min, that sort of sentiment would be very welcome for President Xi Jinping, I imagine.
02:18That's right, this coming a few weeks after President Trump visited China and received that warning
02:23about, you know, mishandling the Taiwan issue and how that could lead to clashes between the two nations.
02:29And this time we're hearing from Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defence, the first in more than a decade
02:35to avoid mentioning both Taiwan and the South China Sea in his Shangri-La Dialogue speech,
02:42which lasted about 30 minutes, and this will likely be seen as a positive sign.
02:49From the Chinese side, already we had seen Chinese state media really taking note of the shift in the tone
02:55there,
02:55even as Pete Hegseth praised Asian nations for raising their defence spending.
03:01His tone here really seen as trying not to fend tensions between the two sides.
03:08And this is coming, of course, as we want to watch for any sort of follow-through,
03:15whether the U.S. will seek to stall that $14 billion arms sales to Taiwan.
03:21Pete Hegseth did not make mention of the $25 billion Taiwanese defence budget that has been passed,
03:28much of which will be used to purchase U.S. defence equipment.
03:31So this silence is also worth noting as well.
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