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Predator Files - Season 1 Episode 17 - The Grandfather
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00:18On this episode of Predator Files...
00:21Oh my god! Shed! The grandfather! Let's go!
00:24A predator pursues our decoy, Summer.
00:27Look, you're here.
00:29And he's unlike anyone we've ever encountered.
00:32Who are these kids?
00:33That's his granddaughter.
00:35He looks like a sweet grandpa.
00:37Are your grandkids home?
00:39They're at their house.
00:40Do they have a name for you? What do they call you?
00:43They just call me Papa.
00:44What should I call you?
00:46Papa.
00:48Even when his identity is revealed...
00:50Look! That's him!
00:52...nothing prepares the team for the shock...
00:55Oh my god!
00:56...of who he turns out to be.
00:58He is at work right now.
01:00Here?
01:01Yes.
01:02Inside, right now.
01:04Oh my god.
01:06I created SOSA, a non-profit aimed at keeping kids safe from online sex abuse and human trafficking.
01:12Multiple times a year, my team and I conduct undercover operations.
01:16Get out of your vehicle!
01:17Yeah!
01:18Let me see your hands!
01:19Partnering with law enforcement, we identify and arrest the world's most dangerous perpetrators of sex abuse.
01:25What's going on?
01:26Gunpoint felony.
01:28Child prosecution.
01:32These are the Predator files.
01:39In 48 hours, some of us will be home, which means we do not have a lot of time.
01:43We're approaching the end of the operation, but I don't want us flagging.
01:47I want us to go strong to the end.
01:49There are plenty of people communicating with our decoys.
01:53It's Friday night, and while our team receives a multitude of messages, Max Decoy Summer is contacted by a much
02:01older man.
02:02His initial messages are benign, but still, he's a cause for concern.
02:08Uh, Yasmin, do you want to take a look at this?
02:11So, um, I'm talking with this much older guy.
02:15He hasn't given us an exact age, but he's gotta be in his 60s.
02:20He's bald, gray mustache, lives with his wife.
02:26Oh, he mentioned he has three kids, and that they have grandkids.
02:30Oh, my God.
02:32He looks like a sweet grandpa.
02:40After a few exchanges, the grandfather dispenses of the pleasantries, and begins his all-out assault on summer.
02:49A man in his 60s, his abuse of a 15-year-old girl is unrelenting.
02:59At this point, I think he needs to move up on our priority list.
03:03I agree.
03:03We should tell Rue.
03:04Yeah.
03:07The grandfather is dangerous.
03:11Already, his messages with our 15-year-old decoy show the markings of serial behavior.
03:17And then, he provides an odd detail.
03:21In efforts to hide his conversation with Summer, the grandfather has a shed in his backyard,
03:27where apparently he has clandestine conversations with young women.
03:39Ready, and go.
03:44Hey.
03:46How you doing?
03:47Pretty good.
03:48How about you?
03:50Not bad.
03:52Ah, the shed.
03:56Nice.
03:57Oh, cool.
03:57Wait, is that a motorcycle?
04:00Yeah.
04:01Stop.
04:01That's so cool.
04:03Can I see it?
04:06Wow, that's huge.
04:08How's it?
04:09Here it is.
04:09My shed.
04:10I like it.
04:12I love your hair.
04:15Isn't it so cute?
04:16I did it this morning.
04:17I put little ribbons in it, too.
04:18It's fun.
04:20It is cute.
04:23Nice.
04:25Out of nowhere, the grandfather props up his phone and reveals an erection.
04:31The grandfather begins to masturbate in front of Summer.
04:37Oh my gosh.
04:38It's difficult, but Mac plays along with the grandfather's expectations of her.
04:43Oh my gosh.
04:44This is abuse, but all Mac can do for the moment is react in the way the grandfather wants her
04:50to.
04:50Our goal, as always, is to gain his trust, so we can get his identity.
04:58Like this?
05:01With the grandfather clearly single-minded, we decide to take the opportunity to gain intel,
05:07and to keep him from achieving his desired goal.
05:15Where's your wife?
05:18In the house.
05:19What do you think she's doing?
05:23Watching TV.
05:25Oh, nice.
05:28Wow.
05:32Are your kids home?
05:34No.
05:36Oh.
05:37Grandkids?
05:38No.
05:40Where are they?
05:43Oh, they're at their house.
05:45Mm-hmm.
05:48Undeterred, the grandfather simply will not stop.
05:52But neither will we.
05:55Are they old? How old are they?
05:59Very young.
06:01Five and six.
06:03Mm.
06:04not only is the grandfather not forthcoming but there seems to be almost
06:09nothing that will break his goal of abusing a 15 year old girl they have a
06:15name for you what do they call you
06:18can you just call me Popo? what should I call you? you can call me anything you like
06:26well what would you like?
06:29Popo
06:33summer Lynn are you home? sorry one second summer what are you doing? we don't need to see him jizz
06:39none of these guys that's the problem with ACM zero this old is they don't have a lot of social
06:54media
06:56I think what we need to do is have them active all the different platforms predictably the
07:02grandfather's online presence is minimal but we decide to reach out to him on more traditional
07:08platforms and he takes the bait I think I have a surname I think I have a surname take that
07:14back
07:15he just texted a snap a break the grandfather sends us a snapchat message linked to a surname
07:23alright let's get into him while this new name doesn't lead directly to the grandfather I think
07:28this just tells us that he doesn't have a LinkedIn image it does give us a potential new lead oh
07:36got his wife's name
07:39I'm gonna look her up on Facebook why it does the address that is linked to him come up as
07:47domestic crisis center
07:48national correctional officers week
07:54what his wife works at a correctional center
07:59a correctional center with direct access to an employee of a maximum security prison in Oklahoma
08:05is this how the grandfather learned to evade the law
08:13look that's him
08:20who are these kids is that his granddaughter that's his granddaughter that was four five years ago
08:28she's got to be what 13 now
08:32they are not safe for this man
08:37messages flood in from the grandfather
08:41he becomes aggressive
08:44obsessive
08:45and clearly is just beginning his pattern
08:48of abuse
08:54the grandfather sends a video of himself masturbating
08:58to a 15 year old girl
09:01the sheriff's office expedites his arrest
09:04we are driving to get the grandfather and we're going up early this morning at around 6 a.m.
09:09I get a message from the grandfather
09:11he is you know masturbating he's self gratifying
09:14he also mentions that he's going to work and I asked what time he gets out and he gets out
09:19at 4
09:19so that really changes our game plan for the day
09:22so we're sort of preparing to you know be at his house
09:26doing recon ready for him to approach that's enough time for us to go there talk to local PD
09:32we kind of get set up at his house wait for him to come home and you know hopefully take
09:37him out in the driveway
09:42so right now we are headed up to a town northwest of Canadian county I do currently have a felony
09:49arrest warrant for him for the lewd acts with a minor
09:53what's over under of him having weapons oh hi
09:56especially in that shed and even especially in the part of Oklahoma that we're headed to
10:00it's very high possibility that there are multiple weapons inside the residence
10:12gotta talk to the sheriff first
10:15lieutenant kates heads inside
10:17while ccso has statewide jurisdiction
10:20it's common courtesy to let local law enforcement know
10:23when an arrest is taking place in their county
10:34when they say hold on hey you gotta get out of here
10:37for a minute
10:41i'll explain
10:46okay
10:48visibly distraught lieutenant kates takes us to an adjacent parking lot
10:51with a shocking update
10:56so he doesn't work for woodward county
10:59he works actually for the sheriff's office
11:01he is a detention officer at work right now
11:05here
11:05yes
11:06inside right now
11:12was talking to their deputies and the sheriff
11:15and realized that he was actually a sheriff's office employee
11:20who was currently at work in their jail
11:23here
11:24in the jail
11:25oh my god
11:28of course this changes everything
11:30i no longer have to try to find him
11:32i know exactly where he's at
11:34so now we're waiting on the sheriff
11:36okay
11:36to show back up
11:37because it
11:38were they shocked
11:38his employees
11:39ovarian
11:40oh my god
11:40um when i told them i thought it was a district employee
11:45and then actually told them the name
11:48both of their faces
11:49oh my god
11:51i saw it
11:51and they both knew exactly who i was talking about
11:54not only do they know who he is
11:57but this acm is currently in the building
12:00not only is he currently in the building
12:02he's working in the building
12:03because he works for their jail
12:05he had just messaged our decoy 90 minutes prior
12:09like he's messaging summer
12:10from the jail where he works
12:12and here's the thing too
12:13like he's an officer
12:15he's around people who are breaking the law
12:18like this guy
12:18if anyone knows better
12:20this guy knows better
12:23our camera will stay in the car
12:24while lieutenant kates heads back into the jail
12:28to arrest one of their employees
12:33hey yes sir
12:35um this is lieutenant kates
12:37with the canadian county sheriff's office
12:38sir
12:38we'd like to talk to you for just a second
12:41okay
12:44go ahead and turn around for me
12:47put your hands around your back
12:51i have a felony arrest warrant for you
12:54for ludax with a minor
12:56for the conversation you've been carrying on
12:58with my 14 year old summer
13:01what
13:02don't let me
13:03okay
13:03i have all the videos
13:05i have everything recorded
13:08um including your masturbation videos
13:13do you have anything to say to your sheriff
13:14before i walk you out
13:23i don't think there's anything i can say
13:26yeah i don't think so either
13:27okay
13:27let's go
13:34i'm gonna go walk right over here to my white truck first
13:37the sheriff and his entire staff worked with us great and being able to take our acm the grandfather into
13:46custody without incident
13:48he did give me permission to secure his cell phone device from his vehicle
13:52okay
13:53okay
13:56you can't judge an entire department off of the actions of one
13:59it doesn't matter if it's law enforcement if it's bankers if it's whoever
14:05you're always going to have a bad seed or whatever you're always going to have a bad seed somewhere
14:08shockingly it turns out the grandfather is familiar with our show and even knows my name
14:19i am lieutenant cates with the canadian county sheriff's office
14:21yes sir
14:22i am the internet crimes against children's investigator for canadian county you have the right to remain silent anything you
14:28say can will be used against you in a court of law
14:30you have a right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned
14:34if you decide to make a statement you may stop at any time
14:37do you understand each of these rights i have explained to you
14:39yes sir
14:40having these rights in mind you want to talk to me now
14:44yeah i'll talk to you okay
14:46what did you do for employment
14:50nothing now
14:52well what did you do
14:53i worked at the woodward county jail
14:55okay
14:56and what'd you do for them
14:58i was a jailer
14:59okay
15:00and how long have you done that
15:03three four years
15:04okay
15:09so tell me about july of this year
15:13you started a conversation
15:16with someone
15:16yes sir
15:18and how old did she tell you she was
15:20i do not remember
15:22okay
15:23but under the age of 18
15:25do you remember that
15:26no
15:28listen to me okay
15:29yes sir
15:30i have everything okay
15:32i have y'all's full conversations
15:33okay
15:34so the more honest you are with me now
15:37better it will be
15:38okay
15:39so let's try it again
15:41how old did she tell you she was
15:43honestly i do
15:44okay
15:44but under the age of 18
15:46you remember that part
15:47i think so yes sir
15:48okay
15:48do you remember her name
15:51no
15:51okay
15:52what about summer
15:55okay i remember a summer
15:57okay
15:57oh i like i did
15:58i didn't
15:59i didn't think it was real
16:01why did you not think it was real
16:03i thought i was on a
16:05you know a safer app
16:06you know somebody that kids couldn't get on
16:09the grandfather is using the tried and true excuse of most predators
16:13it was all pretend
16:15which app was it
16:17kick up thing
16:19so
16:21you saw her profile
16:23and you saw that there was a girl there
16:25who was underage
16:27but yet you still thought it wasn't real
16:29i i just
16:31i just
16:32was i guess i convinced myself that
16:34there's no way that this could be real
16:38it's just somebody pretending
16:40to be under 18
16:41okay
16:43um
16:43does your wife know about your conversations
16:48no
16:49and how does she not know about it
16:52where would you conduct them at
16:59out in your shed
17:01next to your motorcycle
17:05remember when i say i have everything i have everything
17:07okay
17:09when's the last time you talked to somebody
17:17this morning
17:18okay
17:20so tell me about the masturbation video that you sent to this morning
17:23of you on your bed
17:29i don't like what i
17:30okay
17:31yeah
17:31so you did send that to her right
17:32yes sir
17:33okay
17:33this morning
17:34yes sir
17:35at about six
17:35before you came to work
17:37okay
17:39so you see why we're here
17:41yes sir
17:42okay
17:42so as i told you
17:45i'm going to show you now
17:47that i do have a felony warrant for your arrest
17:51for ludax with a minor
17:53for carrying on a conversation
17:56with what you believe to be a 15 year old female
18:01let me tell you what's going to happen
18:02okay
18:04i'm going to do a full forensic of your phone
18:07okay
18:08um how much
18:11am i going to find on your phone
18:12stored
18:14well you're going to find a lot
18:17but it's not the
18:19only person i was talking to
18:20right
18:21so were you talking to other underaged girls
18:25god i hope not
18:27i mean
18:28as far as i know that was the only one
18:31do you have any questions of me before we get going
18:34so uh where are we going canadian
18:36to canadian county
18:37that's down on the west side of oklahoma city
18:40holy fuck
18:41when you were talking to her
18:43when she was in yukon
18:45then you wouldn't drive down
18:46because you couldn't get away from your wife
18:49do you have kids
18:50yes sir
18:50you have grandkids
18:51yes sir
18:52how old are they
18:53uh 11 12
18:55okay
18:55so how would you feel about a 30 40 50 60 year old male carrying on the conversation with
19:00her that you carried on with this 15 year old and sending her videos of himself masturbating
19:06i i would appreciate it
19:09exactly
19:09and god damn
19:11and yeah
19:12i really didn't believe she was
19:14at no time did she ever give you any inclination that she was not that age
19:20she told you repeatedly
19:25and she also gave you some outs to stop the conversation
19:29and you didn't take those either you carried on
19:33up to even this morning
19:35sending her another video
19:38imagine that being your granddaughter
19:43and that guy doing that to her
19:48so you see why i take this so serious
19:51and why i'm here
19:52all the way up here
19:53yeah
19:58what do you think your wife's gonna think
20:02yeah
20:04yeah i'm pretty sure
20:06i'm definitely gonna bid divorce
20:14stop it in the recording exiting maybe
20:19oh my god
20:27this was a good arrest
20:30because you know i feel like guys like the grandfather
20:34have been really enjoying from the privacy of their own homes
20:38from the privacy of their own phones
20:40harming kids online
20:42guys like the grandfather do what they do for years unchecked
20:48i'm not putting my hands on a kid
20:52i'm not putting my hands on a kid
20:53but it is abusive
20:54it is incredibly harmful
20:55we see that with you know survivors with you know victims of sex abuse whether that's online or hands-on
21:02online sex abuse is still real sex abuse
21:06all right what you got
21:07uh one male 1015
21:10all right
21:11you know i'm glad we got him
21:14and this guy has been hounding somewhere
21:17just constantly messaging her
21:19tonight that phone's gonna be quiet
21:21tomorrow morning that phone's gonna be quiet
21:23and we're glad for that
21:28so
21:29and
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