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00:00:22Thank you all

00:00:47Thank you all

00:01:01Thank you all

00:01:33Good morning

00:01:34Good morning, sorry

00:01:35But where were you?

00:01:36May 10, 1981

00:01:39Excuse me

00:01:39I wasn't there in Turin

00:01:42But it's like there was

00:01:44And we are from Rome

00:01:45But do you remember the 81st?

00:01:47We don't even remember yesterday

00:01:49I was there that day

00:01:51We have an eyewitness

00:01:54Robi Turone

00:01:55Goldi Turone

00:01:57You remember May 10, 1981

00:01:59Where were you not?

00:02:01You weren't there

00:02:01What do you have left of that goldi Turone?

00:02:04A bullshit

00:02:05Bitter

00:02:06But were you in Turin that day?

00:02:08I do

00:02:09Oh, who was in Turin?

00:02:11Here it is left

00:02:16Where were you?

00:02:17May 10, 1981

00:02:19Am I the serious one?

00:02:20In Turin

00:02:27Falcao

00:02:29By Bartolomei

00:02:32Bridges

00:02:36Ball raining into the area

00:02:37Pruzzo

00:02:38Turone

00:02:39Goal

00:02:45Goal by Turone

00:02:47But the referee

00:02:48On the instructions of the linesman

00:02:51Cancel

00:02:52Obviously cancel

00:02:54For Turone's offside

00:02:57Let's review the action

00:02:58Here's Pruzzo's header

00:03:00This is the time to evaluate

00:03:02Turone's position

00:03:03Turone is the player

00:03:04The last one on the left

00:03:05Let's see

00:03:06If we can decimate

00:03:06But we are beyond

00:03:07The risk of penalty

00:03:08You see that

00:03:10Caesar is beyond

00:03:12Oh go on

00:03:13Better that I don't see him anymore

00:03:14If not, I'll still be pissed off now.

00:03:18Juventus stole the Scudetto

00:03:20I can say that

00:03:21He stole it

00:03:22It's impossible that he was offside

00:03:25But it can't be out of the game

00:03:28You can wear whatever you like

00:03:29Incessant

00:03:30I've seen it again so many times

00:03:34It's impossible

00:03:35It's really impossible to understand

00:03:37Which is out of the game

00:03:42This evening we are at number 35

00:03:45About our program

00:03:47And we are also at the end

00:03:48Of the football championship

00:03:49This football championship

00:03:52Captivating

00:03:53And it's exciting

00:03:54More than a detective story

00:03:55Which gave us the well-known results

00:04:00I remember it was the season

00:04:01Of hope for us

00:04:04Because we've been coming for years

00:04:05Very very dark

00:04:06We came from Rometta

00:04:07The classic Anzalone rometta

00:04:09The economic problems

00:04:11For goodness sake

00:04:11So much heart

00:04:12But little substance

00:04:15We were at risk of relegating to Serie B

00:04:16Two years ago

00:04:16We saved ourselves

00:04:17One of the last days

00:04:19With a goal from Prusso

00:04:20Arrived that year

00:04:21He had scored very little

00:04:22And he respected himself

00:04:23From that moment on

00:04:24They enter the hearts of the fans

00:04:25It was hard at first

00:04:27Truly

00:04:27It was a season

00:04:28My first

00:04:29Really complicated

00:04:31It took that game there

00:04:32Which anyway

00:04:33He assured us

00:04:34The permanence in Serie A

00:04:35And it wasn't

00:04:37A small thing

00:04:38Ladies and gentlemen

00:04:39Good evening

00:04:39Who's tuned in

00:04:40At this moment

00:04:41About this program

00:04:42Who is baptism

00:04:43The new sports broadcast

00:04:45From Network 3

00:04:46The Monday Trial

00:04:48As you have seen

00:04:49In our titles

00:04:50And as most likely

00:04:51You see

00:04:52Or you will see

00:04:52Behind me

00:04:53At that time

00:04:54We have Gianni Melidoni

00:04:56Chief Sports Editor

00:04:59Of the messenger

00:04:59And Nils Lidom

00:05:01The very well-known coach

00:05:02Of Rome

00:05:03The 80-81 championship

00:05:05It was a championship

00:05:07In which Rome

00:05:08He began to think

00:05:10To be able to make it happen

00:05:12His ambitions

00:05:13That were born

00:05:15With the decision

00:05:17About the new president

00:05:18Dino Viola

00:05:19To entrust

00:05:20Technical management

00:05:22To Nils Lidom

00:05:23Viola was sure

00:05:25That with Nils Lidom

00:05:26Rome could have

00:05:28Try to be competitive

00:05:31And also to win the championship

00:05:34My father chose Nils Lidom

00:05:36Because he had immediately appreciated him

00:05:38As a great lord

00:05:39Great football man

00:05:41And so in his case

00:05:42There was also a little bit

00:05:43A desire to rebel

00:05:45There is the change of March

00:05:46And then the arrival of Lidom

00:05:48And then the players

00:05:49Which time after time

00:05:50They added something

00:05:52To do in a way and manner

00:05:54That the team

00:05:55Become stronger

00:05:57During the championship

00:05:5979-80

00:06:01Which ends anyway

00:06:02With the victory

00:06:03Italian Cup

00:06:03The seeds are thrown

00:06:06Of what will then be

00:06:06Great Rome

00:06:07Engineer Viola said

00:06:09Enough with these shirts here

00:06:11Popsicle type

00:06:13Let's go back to the historical colors

00:06:16My father was convinced

00:06:17And in fact they proved him right.

00:06:19That great things could be done

00:06:21To challenge a single team

00:06:23Her only opponent

00:06:25Must be beaten

00:06:26During that period

00:06:27It was Juventus

00:06:28Let's say that Juvena

00:06:29In 80-81

00:06:30It comes from a feeling

00:06:32Very strong revenge

00:06:34Why 79-80

00:06:36It's the only season

00:06:38In which we win nothing

00:06:40From that period

00:06:41John Trapattoni

00:06:42You've already recognized it

00:06:43Juventus coach

00:06:45Prestigious coach

00:06:47A well-known coach

00:06:49And above all

00:06:49Great friend

00:06:50And a great conversationalist

00:06:51In the Trapattoni era

00:06:53After two consecutive championships

00:06:54A UEFA Cup

00:06:55An Italian Cup

00:06:56Juve doesn't win anything

00:06:57So he had a

00:06:58A great ambition

00:06:59On the return to success

00:07:0280-81

00:07:03From one point of view

00:07:04I think so too

00:07:06Cultural and social

00:07:07It was a year

00:07:08A period rather

00:07:10Of great change

00:07:12Sign

00:07:13On one hand

00:07:14In my opinion

00:07:15The passage

00:07:16Of this country

00:07:17Since the end of modernity

00:07:18Who uses

00:07:19In a dramatic way

00:07:20With terrorism

00:07:22At the opening

00:07:22Towards contemporaneity

00:07:24And the fact

00:07:24That in football

00:07:26They came back

00:07:27Foreign players

00:07:28That they had been

00:07:28Basically

00:07:29Bandits

00:07:31In the 70s

00:07:31I remember

00:07:32Sergio Clerici

00:07:34And José Altafini

00:07:35As the last foreigners

00:07:37We accept

00:07:38The foreigners

00:07:39In a rush

00:07:40Of Europeanism

00:07:41We reject them

00:07:42Suddenly

00:07:43We closed

00:07:44After the 3-0

00:07:46From Hungary

00:07:47We reopened them

00:07:47We closed in 64

00:07:48For rather mysterious reasons

00:07:50We have reopened now

00:07:51In a way

00:07:52Quite cumbersome

00:07:53I wouldn't see

00:07:53A close correlation

00:07:55Between technical situation

00:07:56Of Italian football

00:07:57And entrance

00:07:58Some foreigners

00:07:59It's clear

00:08:00That the stranger

00:08:01Above all

00:08:02If chosen well

00:08:04If chosen

00:08:04In a manner

00:08:05Valid

00:08:06It would have been

00:08:07What he would have given

00:08:09Something

00:08:10Plus

00:08:11I have to say

00:08:11What then

00:08:12Yes

00:08:12They arrived

00:08:13The strongest

00:08:13Foreign players

00:08:14Of the world

00:08:15Playing in Italy

00:08:18The Idol

00:08:19He had identified

00:08:21In a footballer

00:08:22Who was the Brazilian

00:08:24Falcao

00:08:24A fundamental element

00:08:26Just for

00:08:27The setup

00:08:28And the tactical balance

00:08:29Of the team

00:08:30And Falcao

00:08:31That was it

00:08:32Which in fact

00:08:33Port

00:08:33The one that at the time

00:08:34It was called

00:08:35The mentality

00:08:37Winning

00:08:46My

00:08:47First big one

00:08:49Surprise

00:08:49It was when

00:08:51Open the door

00:08:53I give the plane

00:08:549.35

00:08:56And the person

00:08:57Two, three,

00:08:58People

00:08:59Yes

00:09:00Some journalist

00:09:02Instead

00:09:03When you open the door

00:09:04An impressive thing

00:09:06I saw that there were

00:09:09A lot of newspapers

00:09:10Sportsmen

00:09:10If it was said

00:09:11Etro

00:09:11What were there?

00:09:12More than 6,000

00:09:12At the airport

00:09:14Falcao

00:09:15Not only as

00:09:17Player

00:09:18But as a mentality

00:09:19He had it done

00:09:20The last step

00:09:21I decided

00:09:25If you say

00:09:26You want

00:09:26Score goals for myself

00:09:27No, we score a lot of goals

00:09:28My

00:09:30Characteristic

00:09:30Principal

00:09:31It is to organize

00:09:32The group

00:09:36We are not going to get

00:09:37By Andredi

00:09:37Which is a

00:09:39Perfect player

00:09:40For Juve

00:09:41Of the time

00:09:42Meaning what

00:09:42It has the right geometry

00:09:44But

00:09:44He is not a fantasist

00:09:45And he's not even a champion

00:09:47He's a great player

00:09:48What do we need?

00:09:53The football there was good

00:09:54All at the same time

00:09:56Black and white

00:09:57Like Juve

00:09:59It was also another football

00:10:01Why

00:10:01Meanwhile

00:10:02It was possible to go back

00:10:03The ball to the goalkeeper

00:10:04And that meant

00:10:05A waste of time

00:10:07Especially for teams

00:10:09Who came to Turin

00:10:09To defend himself

00:10:10To try to

00:10:11Tear out a stitch

00:10:12Why

00:10:14That was a kick

00:10:14Where victory

00:10:15It was worth two points

00:10:16Then it was a kick

00:10:17Where you could

00:10:17On the contrary

00:10:18Great innovation

00:10:19Make a substitution

00:10:20Plus the goalkeeper

00:10:21It was a kick

00:10:22It's a competent football

00:10:23Different

00:10:23A football where

00:10:24We had

00:10:25Everyday

00:10:26The contact

00:10:27With the fans

00:10:29In those years

00:10:30You had yours

00:10:32Locker room

00:10:33Then you had to cross

00:10:34A road

00:10:34And you had to go

00:10:35To the other field

00:10:36And so

00:10:36That crossing

00:10:38There were always people

00:10:38I often remember

00:10:40When we had children

00:10:41With parents

00:10:42We did it

00:10:43300 km

00:10:44To see

00:10:44And so

00:10:45You had the duty

00:10:46To stop you

00:10:47For the respect

00:10:48Of those people

00:10:48I do not know

00:10:49If you have calculated

00:10:50My colleagues

00:10:50It's annoying

00:10:51Our support

00:10:52It gives you a boost

00:10:53To players

00:10:54It's a useless thing

00:10:55I was saying now

00:10:56It's important

00:10:56In times of tiredness

00:10:57Above all

00:10:59In the moment

00:11:00There are breaks

00:11:01In the game

00:11:01The presence endures

00:11:0290 minutes

00:11:03They cannot be conducted

00:11:04At the same pace

00:11:06Here you are

00:11:07These thoughts

00:11:07The bathrooms

00:11:08Of the stadium

00:11:09They are full

00:11:10It's me

00:11:10Antonio's

00:11:11Antonio Bocca

00:11:11Oh, that's you

00:11:13Talk about yourself

00:11:14Talk about me

00:11:15Why

00:11:16Let's say that

00:11:17I'm quite well known

00:11:18In the Roma fan base

00:11:20In the environment

00:11:21Of Roman cheering

00:11:22In short

00:11:23Lazio Roma fan

00:11:24You see

00:11:25My last name is there too

00:11:26Antonio B

00:11:27Pointed

00:11:27I'm Antonio Bocca

00:11:29I am the founder

00:11:30Of the oldest group

00:11:32Of Rome

00:11:32The command

00:11:33Ultracurve South

00:11:34Together with dad

00:11:35By Mario Fausto

00:11:37We did a little bit

00:11:38The history of cheering

00:11:39No?

00:11:41We are here

00:11:42In my shop

00:11:43My father's business

00:11:44Fausto Iosa

00:11:45Big Roma fan

00:11:47And one of the organizers

00:11:48Of the South Curve

00:11:49From the 70s and 80s

00:11:53In 72

00:11:55With Roma Club

00:11:56Esquiline

00:11:57And the Boys

00:11:58Which was my club

00:11:58We were together

00:11:59In the North Curve

00:12:00Fomero the first

00:12:01To introduce

00:12:01A certain type of cheering

00:12:02Inside the stadium

00:12:03With the drums

00:12:04Etc

00:12:05So Fausto

00:12:06Then he did

00:12:07This incredible thing

00:12:09To do

00:12:09The fusion

00:12:10Between the groups

00:12:11Giving birth

00:12:12The command

00:12:13Ultracurve South

00:12:21This command

00:12:22He pulled the whole stadium

00:12:24And also to the sectors

00:12:26Of Montemario

00:12:28We are gods

00:12:29Ultrac Command

00:12:29That was sung

00:12:36It sounded perfect

00:12:38Supporting Roma

00:12:40Which is excessive

00:12:41Which is excessive

00:12:42What is in the mouth of love

00:12:44Who is passionate

00:12:46Ideal

00:12:47Huh?

00:12:48Ideal

00:12:48A faith

00:12:49A faith

00:12:51One thing

00:12:52There's something above

00:12:54Above all

00:12:55For her too

00:12:56Rome is a faith

00:12:59I you

00:13:00I had the opportunity

00:13:02To say lately

00:13:02That more than a faith

00:13:03It's a phenomenon

00:13:04Of spontaneous combustion

00:13:07For us it is a faith

00:13:09Well yes

00:13:10Clearly

00:13:10But I have a job

00:13:11What tomorrow brings me

00:13:12From another side

00:13:13My faith

00:13:13It must be

00:13:14Another team tomorrow

00:13:15I would say that nowadays

00:13:16The size

00:13:17About football

00:13:17It's so important

00:13:19Because it's a feature

00:13:21What other dimensions

00:13:22They don't have

00:13:23That is, it is the only dimension

00:13:24Currently

00:13:25What can he expect?

00:13:28Absolute loyalty

00:13:29From whom?

00:13:29It expresses it

00:13:30And if one of you

00:13:32Of your group

00:13:32Lazio goes through

00:13:33It doesn't get to us

00:13:35Well one that

00:13:36I mean I don't know

00:13:36It seems incredible to me

00:13:39While in everyday life

00:13:41It's tolerable

00:13:41That an individual

00:13:42Change party

00:13:44Change religion

00:13:45Change your wife

00:13:46Oh husband

00:13:47It is instead

00:13:48Intolerable

00:13:49That you change teams

00:13:50It's beautiful

00:13:51Being spread by Rome

00:13:52It's one of the most beautiful things

00:13:53I wouldn't give up anything

00:13:54But my wife knows

00:13:55The people I loved

00:13:56They know it

00:13:57Always one step behind

00:13:58Rome

00:13:58When I was younger

00:14:00Even in the 60s

00:14:01Let's start with the trains

00:14:02To go and see

00:14:03Especially Inter

00:14:04There was a strong Inter

00:14:05Or Milan

00:14:06I remember the train

00:14:07Which stopped in Orte

00:14:08And they were waiting for us

00:14:09Lazio fans

00:14:10In winter

00:14:10And they were throwing snowballs

00:14:12It was another era

00:14:13My father

00:14:13He took us

00:14:15First on the curve

00:14:16Then in distinct

00:14:17And then big gives away

00:14:19At some point

00:14:19In the Tiber Tribune

00:14:20At 9.30

00:14:21They opened the gates

00:14:22You brought the ciriole with you

00:14:23With mortadella

00:14:24For a ham sandwich

00:14:26The people around you

00:14:27It was the people of Rome

00:14:29There was an atmosphere

00:14:31Of real popularity

00:14:34There was purity

00:14:36At least for those who were watching

00:14:38There was less purity

00:14:39Inside the field

00:14:40And we noticed it

00:14:41Years later

00:14:42Everyone

00:14:43But we didn't care at all

00:14:45To no one

00:14:45And he didn't care at all

00:14:46To no one in Italy

00:14:47Of all this

00:14:48It was just

00:14:48A way to share

00:14:51Socially

00:14:52A moment of

00:14:52It was just

00:14:54The Colosseum

00:14:55With the gladiators

00:14:57Here

00:14:58Luca

00:14:59It over-regulates very well

00:15:00There was a banner

00:15:01In the central halls

00:15:03Not of an ultra group

00:15:04But of a fleeting event

00:15:05What was he saying?

00:15:07Champions against everything and everyone

00:15:08To the fans of Ventini

00:15:09That's enough

00:15:10It was the idea

00:15:11Which anyway

00:15:12Any circumstance

00:15:13Adverse

00:15:14Or any opponent

00:15:16You have the task

00:15:17To overcome it

00:15:18Point

00:15:18Everything else doesn't matter

00:15:20I lived in Santa Rita

00:15:25In this neighborhood

00:15:25I was born

00:15:26Practically in this neighborhood

00:15:28And at the stadium

00:15:28I came there on foot

00:15:29From Corso Sebastopoli

00:15:30I was crossing

00:15:31The market part

00:15:33Of Saint Rita

00:15:34That Sunday

00:15:34But it wasn't there

00:15:35I was there too

00:15:37One of those

00:15:38Who came on foot

00:15:39At the stadium

00:15:39I lived in Mirafiori

00:15:40Highly sensitive area

00:15:41Of Twenty

00:15:42Because it's full of immigrants

00:15:45We were leaving

00:15:46We went on foot

00:15:46We arrived at the stadium

00:15:48It was also a path

00:15:50Very nice

00:15:50Why did you see

00:15:51So many people

00:15:52That were coming out

00:15:53From their own palaces

00:15:54To get to the stadium

00:15:55Here then there was the possibility

00:15:56Or to stop

00:15:57At the Muccinelli bar

00:15:58Or

00:15:59At the Stadio bar

00:16:00Which makes a corner

00:16:01Always between Corso Agnelli

00:16:02And Sebastopoli Course

00:16:03Or further on

00:16:04At the Agnelli bar

00:16:05I stopped

00:16:06At the Agnelli bar

00:16:07Why I was arriving

00:16:08On that side there

00:16:09I used to live here too

00:16:11Why I lived

00:16:12I am too

00:16:13In the Santa Rieta area

00:16:14I used to live nearby

00:16:15But I was going

00:16:16From Della Ferrera

00:16:17To have breakfast

00:16:17Oh that is

00:16:18Well

00:16:19But you were the ones who knew us

00:16:21It was a nice bar

00:16:22It was a nice bar

00:16:24Beautiful pastry shop

00:16:25I came on foot

00:16:27Because on the way

00:16:28Della Ferrera

00:16:29Getting here

00:16:29I could smoke

00:16:30Two or three cigarettes

00:16:31I would like to start

00:16:32But he played

00:16:33We don't

00:16:34And that's nice

00:16:40On the seventh day

00:16:42We won

00:16:42Like two games

00:16:43We come from

00:16:44Four races

00:16:46Where we don't win

00:16:48That at the time

00:16:48It was quite strange

00:16:49Why

00:16:49Or at home

00:16:50Generally speaking

00:16:51You won

00:16:53Rome

00:16:54Winter Champion

00:16:55After 39 years

00:16:56Conquest

00:16:57The ideal title

00:16:58Of winter champion

00:16:59Maybe of

00:17:00Little practical value

00:17:02But it must be added

00:17:02That in the last nine years

00:17:04Who was first

00:17:05Halfway

00:17:06Eight times

00:17:07He won the championship

00:17:08During that period

00:17:09It was a strong Rome

00:17:10Very strong

00:17:11And so there was

00:17:11Much fear

00:17:12Here's a passage

00:17:13Towards the center

00:17:14And it went off

00:17:14Bruzzo

00:17:15He seemed offside

00:17:16Shot

00:17:16Rhythm

00:17:17Rome played

00:17:18In a magnificent way

00:17:20Consider that

00:17:21In all

00:17:22Lost two games

00:17:23In that year

00:17:23There was a strong Naples

00:17:25That I was the third

00:17:25I believe in short

00:17:26It was quite strong

00:17:28Us

00:17:28We didn't win

00:17:30The championship

00:17:30Why

00:17:30With small teams

00:17:32But some strange matches

00:17:34But it was understood

00:17:35In short

00:17:36Rome was already Falcao's

00:17:37By Ancelotti

00:17:38In short

00:17:39Of Bruzzo

00:17:39It was serious stuff

00:17:42Juve lives in comebacks

00:17:44In which there is another feature

00:17:46What makes that team

00:17:47Absolutely unique

00:17:48Meaning what

00:17:49Juve doesn't have a striker

00:17:50Juve lives

00:17:51That season

00:17:52With

00:17:54The team that scores

00:17:55The best attack

00:17:56The best defense

00:17:57But he doesn't have a bomber

00:17:59And be the best attack

00:18:00With Cabrini

00:18:01Left back

00:18:03And he scores seven goals

00:18:04It means that

00:18:05The trap was huge

00:18:06We played

00:18:07With the false 9

00:18:08As they say now

00:18:15That year there

00:18:16My regret

00:18:17I entered

00:18:18In a couple of episodes

00:18:19Key

00:18:21Very important

00:18:22For the development

00:18:22Of the championship

00:18:23Moroccan takes a shot

00:18:24On the left wing

00:18:26It reaches the bottom

00:18:27And he makes a cross

00:18:28With Perugia

00:18:29There was this ball

00:18:30In

00:18:31Out

00:18:31In

00:18:32Out

00:18:32My

00:18:33On the sideline

00:18:34Where then

00:18:35Furino took the penalty

00:18:36That also

00:18:37Honestly

00:18:38Sincerely

00:18:39I who was there

00:18:40I would not know

00:18:40If it was inside

00:18:41He was out

00:18:41And it shows

00:18:42Clearly

00:18:43From this enlargement

00:18:44That the ball

00:18:45Overcome

00:18:45And I would almost say

00:18:46Maybe a little

00:18:47Abundantly

00:18:47The bottom line

00:18:48Here is this one then

00:18:49The action

00:18:49From which it then arises

00:18:51The penalty kick

00:18:53Look

00:18:54Here you are

00:18:55You see the ball

00:18:56Which is exactly

00:18:56She was touched

00:18:57From Taconi

00:18:57Moved away

00:18:58From Furino

00:18:59He goes to football

00:18:59Corner

00:18:59In that match

00:19:01Someone

00:19:02I report

00:19:03He said that

00:19:04Roberto

00:19:04Bettega

00:19:07Had he asked

00:19:08I don't know how to say it

00:19:10A little help

00:19:11Something like this

00:19:12To the opponents

00:19:14Because for us

00:19:15It was a home game

00:19:16And another game

00:19:17Decisive

00:19:18And we were losing

00:19:201-0

00:19:25Listen, Mr President.

00:19:26Of his players

00:19:28They made accusations

00:19:29To the Juventus player

00:19:32In Bettega

00:19:32Saying that

00:19:33He had asked to score

00:19:34That Juventus

00:19:35He asked to score

00:19:36Perugia

00:19:37Who has been so burned

00:19:39Last year

00:19:39From the story

00:19:40Of football betting

00:19:42And from scandals

00:19:42That she

00:19:43He states these

00:19:45Statements

00:19:46That is, they agree

00:19:47The statements

00:19:48Of his player

00:19:49Or not?

00:19:50Here you see

00:19:51Agree on the

00:19:53On the declaration

00:19:54Of the player

00:19:55It would presuppose

00:19:56That I had heard this

00:19:57I didn't hear this

00:19:59And I was in the stands

00:20:00But undoubtedly

00:20:01The player

00:20:02He said

00:20:03What was he told?

00:20:04This

00:20:07When I'm on the pitch

00:20:08I don't even know where I turned

00:20:09I didn't even know where I was turned.

00:20:11Sometimes

00:20:11I didn't hear anything

00:20:13Sincerely

00:20:13Things went as they went

00:20:16There was the investigation office

00:20:17Who investigated

00:20:18In short

00:20:19Bettega received a suspension

00:20:21There was this disqualification

00:20:23And clearly

00:20:24Elevate Juventus

00:20:25His most important player

00:20:27It was a position taken

00:20:28Quite heavy

00:20:30The Bettega

00:20:31Practically

00:20:31Decisive

00:20:32Also

00:20:33Unfortunately

00:20:33They criticize him

00:20:34When there is

00:20:34But when it's missing

00:20:35You can see it

00:20:36What's missing?

00:20:37Then it is clear that

00:20:38Juve was full of champions

00:20:41With great experience

00:20:42They were able to manage

00:20:43Even great tensions

00:20:44Why

00:20:45We were playing

00:20:46Truly the future

00:20:47Of a championship

00:21:08Over 70,000

00:21:09The spectators

00:21:10More than half a billion

00:21:10The collection

00:21:11Almost a billion

00:21:12The turnover

00:21:13Around the event

00:21:14A city

00:21:15Rome

00:21:15At least that one

00:21:16On the yellow-red side

00:21:17Who lives the dream

00:21:18Of a football redemption

00:21:19Waited for 40 years

00:21:20Another one

00:21:21Turin

00:21:22The Turin

00:21:22On Juventus' side

00:21:23Who wants to win back

00:21:25A power

00:21:25That in the world of football

00:21:26It escaped her

00:21:27For some seasons now

00:21:28I remember

00:21:28A tense eve

00:21:30There was

00:21:31The last element

00:21:32From Juve

00:21:32Which was absolutely open

00:21:34Forbidden

00:21:35From the fans

00:21:35From Juve

00:21:36To the journalists

00:21:36Between pattoni

00:21:37You must then intervene

00:21:38To say

00:21:38Listen to me

00:21:39Tomorrow

00:21:40Try to stay calm

00:21:41Because it's a great match

00:21:43We have eyes on us

00:21:44From all over Italy

00:21:46But also

00:21:46Of a series of journalists

00:21:49Foreigners

00:21:49At their home

00:21:50A game

00:21:51Very hard

00:21:52Own

00:21:53At the level

00:21:53Physicist

00:21:54Mental

00:21:55Psychological

00:21:56Of tension

00:21:57That there was also

00:21:58In the games

00:21:59With Juve

00:22:00In those years

00:22:00The tension was there

00:22:01Even in the friendly

00:22:02If we ever did it

00:22:0415 days ago

00:22:05In Australia

00:22:05I have been reached

00:22:06From a phone call

00:22:07From the director

00:22:08Of a weekly

00:22:09He told me

00:22:10That there was an article

00:22:11By Mario Soldati

00:22:12Who was speaking

00:22:12Of the conspiracy

00:22:13To remove

00:22:15At Juventus

00:22:16The Scudetto

00:22:17This year

00:22:18He was bringing up the subject

00:22:19The Pope

00:22:20The Pope

00:22:20The South

00:22:20Rome

00:22:21The Capital

00:22:22All things

00:22:22Quite funny

00:22:24I asked myself

00:22:25My thoughts

00:22:26I gladly have it

00:22:28Given

00:22:28And by the way

00:22:29Cheering up a little

00:22:30Because in general

00:22:31When I call you

00:22:32That you're out

00:22:32From there

00:22:32Always some accident

00:22:34What comes out

00:22:34And the people

00:22:35It's getting ready

00:22:36To go to Turin

00:22:37Indeed

00:22:37There is this flyer

00:22:39Historical

00:22:39Here

00:22:40What is it?

00:22:41Made by us

00:22:42Come on guys

00:22:43Of the South

00:22:44Which was precisely what he was talking about

00:22:45Of this May 10th

00:22:46Our team

00:22:48The support in Turin

00:22:49With Juventus

00:22:50The match

00:22:50Which probably

00:22:51It will prove decisive

00:22:53For the conquest

00:22:53The champion title

00:22:54What is the cry

00:22:55Magical force Rome

00:22:56Shake the municipal

00:22:58Like the Olympic

00:22:58There was this invitation

00:23:00To bring everyone

00:23:02In Turin

00:23:03For this race

00:23:03Indeed

00:23:05Let's say

00:23:06Some of the trips

00:23:07Our historians

00:23:09It was

00:23:09More than a trip

00:23:10A social phenomenon

00:23:11Why

00:23:12It was the first time

00:23:13That 40,000 people

00:23:15They followed

00:23:16Rome

00:23:17And many people

00:23:18Of these

00:23:19They had never

00:23:19Passed

00:23:20The ring chord

00:23:22He left the night before

00:23:23Among other things

00:23:24I, my brother

00:23:25And my cousin

00:23:25We were

00:23:26My cousin

00:23:27Only adult

00:23:28Me and my brother

00:23:29With very special permission

00:23:31Given by my father

00:23:32Who was sicker than us

00:23:33Not to go to school

00:23:35On Monday

00:23:37From here

00:23:37From Via Mirulano

00:23:3838 buses left

00:23:39I don't remember

00:23:40That evening

00:23:41We will leave around

00:23:42At 11 pm

00:23:43By bus

00:23:44We went

00:23:44By bus

00:23:45By bus

00:23:46I, my father

00:23:47And my brother

00:23:47Look

00:23:48But I remember it

00:23:49How tragic it is

00:23:50But you went

00:23:51By bus

00:23:52By bus

00:23:52By train

00:23:53Yellow

00:23:53Him with the train

00:23:55We organized

00:23:56A charter

00:23:57And we went

00:23:58With this charter

00:23:59In Turin

00:24:00We had done

00:24:01A beastly journey

00:24:02We had left

00:24:03Four in the morning

00:24:04By car

00:24:06There were so many of us

00:24:07Everyone with cars

00:24:09Machines of the time

00:24:10Cars from the 80s

00:24:11It was beautiful

00:24:12They were journeys of hope

00:24:13They were just the trip

00:24:14Of hope

00:24:15For us

00:24:15All summer long

00:24:17The entire Capitoline administration

00:24:19He goes to Turin

00:24:20Well let's not exaggerate now

00:24:22When we talk about the whole administration

00:24:24Let's not even exaggerate on this one.

00:24:26On this matter

00:24:28I received an invitation

00:24:30From some clubs

00:24:31And the fans of Ostia

00:24:33I felt I had to welcome him

00:24:34I like to go see this show

00:24:37And I don't think it is

00:24:39Nor ancient

00:24:40Not modern

00:24:41I think it's always relevant

00:24:43The show was there

00:24:44There is and there always will be

00:24:46But above all

00:24:47I think I'm playing at the moment

00:24:50Always out of the field

00:24:52But why are there people in the field?

00:24:53The player and the coach

00:24:55A popular sentiment

00:24:57Which is found in this sporting record

00:25:00An exaggerated demand for tickets

00:25:02Because everyone wanted to be there

00:25:05I think my father worked hard

00:25:08To please all who came

00:25:11There was a kind of invasion practically

00:25:13Some news reports say that Roma fans

00:25:16There were 15,000 of them

00:25:17But I can assure you that there were many more.

00:25:19It certainly exceeded 20,000 people.

00:25:23Bring 40,000 people from Rome

00:25:26In those times

00:25:28With those means

00:25:29It's like carrying 80,000 today

00:25:32Absolutely

00:25:3275,000 people in here

00:25:35It was an experience

00:25:36They were something that marked you

00:25:43Here we are

00:25:44We are on site

00:25:44At the crime scene

00:25:46Or on the place of the dream

00:25:47It depends on how you interpret it.

00:25:50May 10, 1981

00:25:52I was there

00:25:53In the Turin area

00:25:55As

00:25:56From documentation

00:25:57Attached

00:25:58I was there

00:25:58In the central halls

00:26:00Of the stadium

00:26:00What then

00:26:01Turin Municipal Stadium

00:26:03To see

00:26:04Juventus and Roma

00:26:07I had made friends

00:26:08I lived in the center

00:26:09In front of me was an elderly gentleman

00:26:12Who had a stamp shop

00:26:13Today there is a famous caffelli

00:26:16And this gentleman of stamps

00:26:17We went on business trips together very often.

00:26:19I don't know if it has why

00:26:20A curious friendship

00:26:22And we decided to go and watch the match

00:26:24In Turin

00:26:25And he told me

00:26:26We drive in pairs

00:26:27Then

00:26:27Instead he fell asleep

00:26:29And drive everything

00:26:30I arrived completely dazed

00:26:31There were some places

00:26:33Discreet

00:26:34Among all the fans from Rome

00:26:35And there I met again

00:26:36My great Romanist friends

00:26:38Who were some mechanic friends of mine

00:26:40That they had come

00:26:42Frank

00:26:42Eugene

00:26:43Their grandson Angelo

00:26:44That was small

00:26:44And the legendary Angelo Bernabucci

00:26:48We arrived in the morning at 9 o'clock

00:26:50And we entered the stadium almost immediately

00:26:52We were stuck

00:26:54As far as we were concerned

00:26:55One after the other

00:26:57Shaped

00:26:59Herringbone

00:27:00Let's say

00:27:01Each one

00:27:02Understood how

00:27:03Let's say

00:27:03Sitting like this

00:27:05Water at will

00:27:07The weather didn't help us

00:27:08Because it was raining cats and dogs

00:27:10It was raining

00:27:11Downright

00:27:12We took the water

00:27:14From 10 in the morning

00:27:15Madonna

00:27:15We were already paying attention

00:27:16It was cold

00:27:18It was May

00:27:18But it was cold

00:27:19I remember it rained every now and then

00:27:20And there was wind

00:27:22That day

00:27:23We had in Turin

00:27:24A unique banner

00:27:25Under our curve

00:27:27What was he saying?

00:27:28Fight with the heart

00:27:29And win the tricolor

00:27:30In the morning

00:27:30We woke up

00:27:31With that thing here

00:27:32You know this thing?

00:27:33What's up?

00:27:34When there is the derby

00:27:35Above all

00:27:36It has to be a week

00:27:37You don't digest badly

00:27:39You're not well

00:27:40There's a kind of uneasiness

00:27:41There was that thing there

00:27:42Because it was the game

00:27:43More important

00:27:44Of the championship

00:27:45For us

00:27:46It was a thing

00:27:46Then Juve

00:27:47And it was time

00:27:48Of the great revenge

00:27:59May 10, 1981

00:28:02It's a date

00:28:03What a memory

00:28:04With great pleasure

00:28:07Because it's one of the games

00:28:08Most important

00:28:09That I refereed

00:28:10May 10, 1981

00:28:12She's a guard

00:28:15In the match

00:28:16Juventus Roma

00:28:20I refereed Juventus Roma

00:28:23Decisive for the championship

00:28:25A very difficult match

00:28:26Among other things

00:28:27The climate was tense

00:28:28So

00:28:29Everything was playing

00:28:31For a game full of tension

00:28:33Full of competitive spirit

00:28:35Full of pressure

00:28:37But I had prepared myself for this

00:28:39The first minute

00:28:40Do it by Furino on you

00:28:42If I remember correctly

00:28:43No

00:28:44You shoot yourself

00:28:45No

00:28:46At 14 seconds

00:28:48On the second

00:28:49More

00:28:49At 14

00:28:55I couldn't hear well

00:28:57Roma beats football

00:28:59At the beginning

00:29:00Furino leaves

00:29:01Directly

00:29:02Without looking at anyone

00:29:03Without looking at the ball

00:29:05He takes and makes a bad foul

00:29:06Right away

00:29:08To make it clear

00:29:09What it was supposed to be

00:29:10The atmosphere

00:29:12An entrance like this

00:29:13At the beginning of the party

00:29:16Surely

00:29:17It didn't happen

00:29:19There

00:29:19For me

00:29:19It's a first

00:29:21Optimal

00:29:23Bad match

00:29:24Two teams that wanted

00:29:26All costs and results

00:29:27It's a very emotional match

00:29:29Very tight

00:29:30Very masculine

00:29:32The defenders of the time

00:29:34Then they weren't any better

00:29:35To caress you

00:29:36The famous caresses

00:29:37Those caresses, even a little heavy

00:29:39There are some markers

00:29:40Who knew how to mark

00:29:41You were playing it

00:29:43One on one

00:29:43A bit like with wives

00:29:45You have to play it directly

00:29:46Because if not it becomes

00:29:47A mess

00:29:51If they are beaten

00:29:52Who has no idea

00:29:53Throughout the game

00:29:55Furino to the one who had beaten

00:29:56More than anyone

00:29:57He was expelled at the end

00:29:58For a foul on Maggiora

00:30:00He took the second round of ammunition

00:30:01From that moment on

00:30:02Juve has closed itself

00:30:04Mayoa

00:30:04Conti arrested

00:30:05Furino again

00:30:09And there is a foul by Furino

00:30:11To the detriment of Maggiora

00:30:14At the beginning of the second half

00:30:16I expelled Furino

00:30:17For an entrance

00:30:20Very violent

00:30:21On an opponent

00:30:22So here it is

00:30:23At the moment when

00:30:24There was a need to take

00:30:25The important decision

00:30:26This was supposed to happen

00:30:28Punctually

00:30:29Now Rome

00:30:3011 against 10

00:30:31Have you seen Falcao?

00:30:32In a hurry to get back to the game

00:30:35The captain was sent off

00:30:37From Juventus

00:30:37There was a quarter of an hour

00:30:41End of the game

00:30:4220 minutes into the match

00:30:44Where

00:30:46It could have changed

00:30:48The fate of the championship

00:30:49So

00:30:50All concentrated

00:30:51In a very short time

00:30:53And as the great Viola said

00:30:56President

00:30:57In a few centimeters

00:30:58Still Moroccan

00:31:00Maggiora is still ahead of him

00:31:02The wing feints

00:31:04This time they don't draw

00:31:06In enchantment Maggiora

00:31:07What a freer

00:31:09With the help of Turone

00:31:10And then here it is

00:31:11The service on Conti

00:31:12I remember that it was very close

00:31:15At the end of the game

00:31:17Because we were how much

00:31:18Then he will be missing

00:31:1910-15 minutes

00:31:20Something like that

00:31:21Ancelotti

00:31:26Falcao

00:31:27By Bartolomei

00:31:29If I remember correctly

00:31:30The action starts

00:31:31From the left wing

00:31:33Of Rome

00:31:34I remember

00:31:35A throw

00:31:36A cross

00:31:36As they used to say at the time

00:31:38By Bruno Conti

00:31:39In the middle of

00:31:40Spizza

00:31:40Pruzzo

00:31:41If I remember correctly

00:31:42Accounts

00:31:43And instead of being there

00:31:45The marker

00:31:46About Pruzzo

00:31:46There was Prandelle

00:31:47Which obviously

00:31:48He wasn't good

00:31:49To jump like Pruzzo

00:31:50Tutor I ask myself

00:31:51Because I was jumping

00:31:52With Pruzzo

00:31:53What was he doing there?

00:31:54He was trying to intercept

00:31:56A ball

00:31:56Rightly

00:31:58But I was better

00:31:59About him in the head

00:32:01Pruzzo jumps

00:32:01And it hits

00:32:02In the direction of him

00:32:03Why the ball

00:32:04She throws it at him

00:32:05I'm leaving

00:32:06I'm throwing myself in

00:32:07To do

00:32:08Like a body

00:32:09And judged

00:32:10Switch to that

00:32:10Who owns it

00:32:11You do

00:32:11That the ball

00:32:11The long one

00:32:12And Turone enters

00:32:13The ball rains down in the air

00:32:14Pruzzo

00:32:15Turone

00:32:16Goal

00:32:17Goal by Turone

00:32:18Remains of Pruzzo

00:32:19Enter Turone

00:32:20Goal

00:32:20I feel like

00:32:22I'm not telling you

00:32:22To the heart attack

00:32:23Almost

00:32:24And instead

00:32:25It happened

00:32:26What happened

00:32:27The referee however

00:32:28On indication

00:32:30Of the linesman

00:32:31Cancel

00:32:33Obviously cancel

00:32:34For out of play

00:32:34From Turone

00:32:35I don't know what they say

00:32:36That there was a roar

00:32:37A din

00:32:38At that moment

00:32:39There was something out of the ordinary in me

00:32:40The flag has to be made

00:32:42I am myself

00:32:42Turned towards him

00:32:44To confirm

00:32:45Of the network

00:32:45He was on

00:32:46With the flag

00:32:47I cancelled

00:32:48There was no need

00:32:49Not at all

00:32:50Because for me

00:32:51The trust I had

00:32:52For my two assistants

00:32:55It was total

00:32:55Let's review the action

00:32:56Here's the header

00:32:58By Pruzzo

00:32:59It's time

00:32:59In which it is necessary to evaluate

00:33:00Turone's position

00:33:01Turone is the player

00:33:02The last one on the left

00:33:03Let's see

00:33:04If we can decipher

00:33:05It could have been out of play

00:33:07Why Turone

00:33:08It's behind

00:33:09The line of the ball

00:33:10When

00:33:12Pruzzo

00:33:13It puts back in the middle

00:33:14In my view

00:33:16Of action

00:33:17Moving

00:33:18I don't remember

00:33:19Of having seen

00:33:20A teammate of mine

00:33:22In line with me

00:33:22This makes me assume

00:33:24Which inevitably

00:33:27This

00:33:29It came from behind

00:33:30If it had been

00:33:31After you

00:33:32Offside

00:33:32He wouldn't have taken it

00:33:33She would have passed there

00:33:34Behind the ball

00:33:36Understood?

00:33:36Instead he arrives

00:33:37Diving forward

00:33:38At the time

00:33:39It was never talked about

00:33:40Who was out of the game?

00:33:41Then I learned

00:33:42That I didn't say

00:33:43What was the future?

00:33:43Of possible

00:33:47Turone's goal for sure

00:33:48It was easier

00:33:50For us to digest

00:33:51And less easy

00:33:52To be digested by the opponents

00:33:55And it remains

00:33:56And it remains bitter

00:33:57I think for him too

00:33:57You don't want to talk about it

00:33:58You don't want to talk about it

00:34:01Rightly

00:34:02Turone has never seen again

00:34:04The action of the goal

00:34:07It's incredible

00:34:08Think of how much pain

00:34:09It provokes him

00:34:10This thing

00:34:11I have never heard

00:34:13An interview

00:34:14An interview with Turone

00:34:16About this fact here

00:34:17I would love to

00:34:19An interview

00:34:20Really?

00:34:26Hey Siri

00:34:27Is my name Maurizio Turone?

00:34:40Maurizio Carro

00:34:42HI

00:34:43HI

00:34:43We'll see each other tonight

00:34:45Listen

00:34:46Listen

00:34:46But

00:34:47What is it?

00:34:47Around 6:30

00:34:51If you want

00:34:52Look here

00:34:52The load

00:34:53Yes yes

00:34:53Certain

00:34:54Certain

00:34:54Depending on traffic

00:34:56We regulate ourselves

00:34:57Perfect

00:34:59Thank you

00:35:00Thank you

00:35:01Thank you

00:35:01HI

00:35:02HI

00:35:03HI

00:35:14Ramon is born

00:35:15Since I was

00:35:16A little boy

00:35:17At the oratory

00:35:18I was

00:35:20Quite small

00:35:21A little bit of a slob

00:35:22I looked a bit like the

00:35:24Iacono

00:35:24Francisco Ramon

00:35:26Where it comes from

00:35:26So from there

00:35:27They called me

00:35:27Ramon

00:35:28After it passes

00:35:29The highway

00:35:29Above

00:35:33It's my house. Was your father born in Rome? Your father was born in Rome, yes. So then

00:35:38did you come here to Barazza at a later time?

00:35:41No, he was born in Rome, then he came to Savona because his father, that is, his grandfather, was transferred.

00:35:46And I was a Roma fan? I was initially a Roma fan. And how did you end up at Roma?

00:35:56It first happened a month before that Lido came to Barazza to visit me with his wife and his

00:36:03son and the driver.

00:36:05We had lunch together, I thought it was just a greeting, but he asked me if I felt like it.

00:36:12play with him again in Rome.

00:36:18Of course they're coming, we won't miss you, happy man, he didn't even have to come down to Barazza because we were on the phone, that was enough for me.

00:36:25I have to ask you about that goal in Turin, what were you doing up there?

00:36:29I always went there, I immediately understood that there was the possibility of doing something, yes.

00:36:35Because when they come he starts on the left and is good at putting the ball in, the big one.

00:36:42I believed it, it was longer, it touched Pruzzo, he put it back in the center and I went in

00:36:49in tussa.

00:36:50Pruzzo, Turone, goal.

00:36:53When this goal came we went crazy.

00:36:56I saw Turone throw himself into the tussa, he scored a wonderful goal and we all went crazy.

00:37:02I turned to hug this person from behind who I always wanted to meet again.

00:37:07See it again, haven't you seen it again?

00:37:09No, Turone points out, I find myself six, seven rows ahead because I was really thrown.

00:37:17We all fell to the ground, there were a few thousand of us.

00:37:19I jumped to my feet, obviously my father and my mother didn't.

00:37:23I dropped my brother's glasses and they fell onto the Juventus pitch and got lost.

00:37:30Joy for a moment, I look towards the guard and see the flag raised, I say but he's crazy.

00:37:35And there was no way to change his mind at that moment.

00:37:40Here it is, the second best-selling photo in my archives because every time Roma comes to play

00:37:45In Turin they ask me for this photo.

00:37:47I have the camera and I can't tell if it was good or not good.

00:37:52Many say it was good, many say it wasn't good. It's a scale.

00:37:55It was a pleasure there, but immediately afterwards my arms dropped.

00:38:00Because the guard was left with the flag.

00:38:04Because Bergamo has seen goals, it's not that it hasn't seen goals.

00:38:06It's with the down that he didn't see it, he saw how he came.

00:38:09But I remember exactly what Turone did, which went just like an airplane.

00:38:15He went towards the gatekeeper and realized that the gatekeeper had his flag raised.

00:38:19So this gesture of happiness, of liberation, has transformed into this gesture here.

00:38:26And he did that to her.

00:38:27And so I remember this image of Turone protesting.

00:38:33He came towards me when he told me that little flag.

00:38:35He told me, but no.

00:38:37Then he went away.

00:38:38At the moment I was shocked because I thought he was so calm and out of his depth.

00:38:42Then after that I don't remember any other things.

00:38:44But he was really very upset.

00:38:46At that moment the image was flat for me.

00:38:49It was completely impossible to see the positions of the players.

00:38:54I saw the net, I whistled because the ball went in.

00:38:58When I turned around because I was in a good position, I saw Sancini with the flag raised.

00:39:04The whistle that validated the goal was the whistle that disallowed it.

00:39:11And it's the final whistle in Bergamo.

00:39:14Juventus and Roma 0-0.

00:39:17Napoli-Juventus is on Sunday.

00:39:18Then Avellino-Roma.

00:39:20The road to the Scudetto is still long.

00:39:22Ladies and gentlemen, good evening.

00:39:23At the municipal stadium in Turin there was a tunnel that was long from here to there to get there.

00:39:28From the locker room to the pitch and back again.

00:39:32What happened in those 70 meters there?

00:39:37Oh yeah?

00:39:38In fact, when the president and the locker room arrived, I told him quickly.

00:39:42On Sunday you prepare the spring because surely no one will play.

00:39:46But then on Sunday nothing happened.

00:39:48The party's strengths were taken into account, let's say.

00:39:51Okay, maybe okay, because obviously we're waiting a bit.

00:39:54You see, they're all cashed in, maybe I made a mistake.

00:39:57Yes, yes, exactly.

00:39:58But it was the impression I had at the end of the match when we went to the locker room that Boniperti came in,

00:40:05my chief referee, Ferragli, came in, as did Viola, the president of Roma.

00:40:12which they shielded as they always do, they were the leaders.

00:40:16And Dr. Viola told me, Sanzini, if I hadn't raised my flag, maybe we would have won a championship.

00:40:21I have never made predictions, but I think that, well, in everything, in every act of life there is

00:40:32It's always justice, isn't it?

00:40:33Sooner or later justice will triumph.

00:40:36Once the match was over, perhaps for the first time there were more journalists from Rome in the locker room than there were on the other ones.

00:40:43of Turin.

00:40:43Well, I remember that one in particular.

00:40:46I looked at the list of accredited journalists and I was struck by the fact that there were 15 foreign journalists.

00:40:52with two Brazilians, obviously for Falcao, I guess, but also Greeks rather than others because it was a championship match anyway.

00:41:00And here, Roberto Falcao, perhaps a new experience, this one of a match like the one played at the Comunale in Turin,

00:41:08at least as far as the Italian championship is concerned.

00:41:11Yes, without anything else, in this Italian championship, this is a really tough match, a match that was at stake for this championship.

00:41:21And so, without anything else, it was this match, the match that I liked the most up to now.

00:41:29We were in the shower, getting changed, the day attendants came in as normal and asked you questions.

00:41:350-0 and this key match of the championship is over. What's your final prediction? Playoff?

00:41:41Now everything is open again, Napoli will win too. I, without doing Napoli any disservice, hope Napoli beats

00:41:50Juventus,

00:41:51so he does us a favor and we win the championship.

00:41:53We scored the goal, he disallowed it, maybe he was out of play, so we had no fear, we always tried

00:41:59to play our game.

00:42:00We didn't really notice the goal, because they scored it in the other goal and nobody could tell us that the goal

00:42:06it was valid.

00:42:08We didn't realize the scandal that actually came out.

00:42:13We realized it nine hours later.

00:42:23Sports listeners, good evening.

00:42:26So, with two matchdays to go, the fight for the Scudetto has reignited, involving Napoli as well.

00:42:33This game ends, we arrive at the airport and at the time there was a small room in the airport where you could watch television.

00:42:42And we see these images, we all snap, horrified, that's the word, outraged.

00:42:49The Roma bus arrives, we immediately meet at the Roma point, I immediately run into a licco who

00:42:59ago

00:42:59But the goal was good, right? Yes, it was good, there's the teammate, it was good and all the players

00:43:04they start to spread the word

00:43:05because they had heard something, but hearing it from fans who had seen the images on television is special.

00:43:12For us this game was won, even if it wasn't 0-0, but I think that all

00:43:19Italy has seen

00:43:19what happened in this match.

00:43:21We left Turin immediately after the match by car, we arrived in Rome and, what would they have been?

00:43:29Eleven thirty, midnight. We arrived in Rome and the toll collector realized we were coming from Turin.

00:43:35like many cars probably around us, taking the money from the payment, from the toll

00:43:42He's telling us, they robbed us again. No, no, but why? What are you talking about? We didn't even know what he was talking about.

00:43:54Gordeturone, half a meter inside, will it be, will anything ever change? It closed and we left again.

00:44:02There's also a goal for Roma. Turone scores with a precise header following

00:44:08this action.

00:44:10There he is. But the linesman says that Pro de Ramon is offside. The point is disallowed.

00:44:17I remember stopping at a service station, I think, near Piacenza, in the evening, phoning those old tokens, right?

00:44:26That there were no cell phones back then. He told me, look, Roma scored a legitimate goal and probably

00:44:32we would have won that game.

00:44:34Then all this shit happened when we were in the bus and I was going back.

00:44:37Because you heard the news. Because we saw it.

00:44:40And why did you make us end up in Corpulman? To cause trouble outside the house of... Huh? No, that couldn't be done.

00:44:46We're going back to placate this train. They had removed two carriages because they had thrown rocks at us and broken the windows.

00:44:53So I made my way back. This is Porto Gentile.

00:44:56I don't understand, they robbed us. The game is two carriages.

00:44:58And two carriages were stolen from us.

00:44:59And we make a return... A truly unfortunate one.

00:45:02Bad, bad, bad with the... With the train? Were you on the train?

00:45:06Look, you know that... No, no, I think... By bus?

00:45:08On the bus, yes, it was exhausting. And since I'm big, I couldn't fit on the seats.

00:45:14But I did everything at the headquarters above Porto Gentile.

00:45:18What are you talking about? Did you pack your bags like you did your trip?

00:45:21Like suitcases.

00:45:22I arrived at Biostienze, I got off quickly because my father was there and he told me

00:45:26Scenes that need to work.

00:45:28I often traveled with the president on his way back because he always stopped in Ullar.

00:45:35I lived in Tuscany and so the topic of every return home,

00:45:43you can imagine who the referee was, always the same one.

00:45:47Every time he says, how did the referee do?

00:45:49And I was a disaster, he made a mess of me, he made us...

00:45:53I go back to the car, still with the one from Timbre falling asleep.

00:45:56But he didn't fall asleep because I think we practically cried from Turin to Rome.

00:46:01We arrived there the next morning too.

00:46:03I have a memory of something truly epic.

00:46:07Epic because it was an epic day, but above all the furrow it left was epic.

00:46:13No, I find it to be a rather modest game.

00:46:15It was a nervous match, like all these types of matches here.

00:46:19I would say that Juventus attacked the whole time, they played on one side only, but that side was not

00:46:25it was dangerous.

00:46:27At the time, Juventus' great economic power was there for all to see.

00:46:32I had the pleasure of knowing the lawyer Agnelli very well and I went to the stadium several times with him.

00:46:36him.

00:46:37So, in fact, he invited me, he invited me for many years and he went to watch the game.

00:46:41He only invited me to see Juventus and Roma.

00:46:43I remember one, Roma had played very well.

00:46:47When he left he told me, Roma played better, Juve won, I'm so happy, this is the

00:46:52soccer.

00:46:53It was impossible to argue with him, he had a one-sided vision.

00:46:57I just wanted to give Agnelli a piece of advice in closing, please, let me say it.

00:47:01Unfortunately, I bought a Panda, unfortunately out of desperation, I give Agnelli some advice.

00:47:06Instead of corking champagne bottles with Juventus, they should put an umbrella in the Panda, because it rains inside.

00:47:13It rains inside other cars too, not Fiat ones.

00:47:16Anyway, let's say it rains inside a lot of cars.

00:47:19Juventus is somewhat unique in Italian football due to its history and tradition.

00:47:25And the Agnelli family team, which has never changed ownership for over 100 years,

00:47:31but it is also the team, especially in the 60s, in the 70s, of many immigrants

00:47:37who come to live in Turin to work either at Fiat or in Fiat's related industries.

00:47:42It is a team that has a strong upper-middle-class soul, but on the other hand a connective tissue

00:47:51which instead is substantially operational.

00:47:53I think that for many decades Juve was a bit of the Christian democracy of Italian football,

00:47:58that is, the majority party.

00:48:00A certain preconception that has always accompanied the North, especially the North,

00:48:05when he sees a southern team for the first time or sometimes attacks a record

00:48:10what has always been up?

00:48:13Well, in the north, especially in Milan, but also in Turin,

00:48:18generally when talking about Rome and even more so about what is below Rome,

00:48:26It is not always done with great sympathy, this is not a new fact that has always existed.

00:48:34Lambs were perceived as the masters par excellence and as such hated by those who were not masters.

00:48:42And consequently the conflict between Juventus fans and non-Juventus fans

00:48:48it also became the sporting transposition of a social conflict,

00:48:53that is, between bosses and workers, proletarians and bourgeoisie.

00:49:17There is a tendency to identify the actor with the role he plays,

00:49:22so I had a Lazio season ticket

00:49:25and the beautiful thing is that even those who knew me and who always saw me there,

00:49:32Matteo, but why are you coming to see Lazio?

00:49:34But I've been coming here for 15 years, aren't you from Roma?

00:49:38No, I don't know about Rome.

00:49:39Hey guys, these guys are teasing!

00:49:42And I have, you yellow-red bastard, and I have, you yellow-red bastard,

00:49:49And I have, you will want, run away, the squadron is coming, bye!

00:49:56I am a very realist and I think that we can have a rivalry between Roma and Lazio,

00:50:01but between a team that has won two championships and one that has won 30,

00:50:06okay, they stole 5, 6, even if they stole 10,

00:50:11They've always won 20 more than you.

00:50:13So, well, it seems to me that we are rivals, Roma and Lazio.

00:50:18That's a different team than us, isn't it?

00:50:21And who referees the match?

00:50:23I, Nandozo Dalla Lazio, very embarrassed.

00:50:25I hate them both, but silver.

00:50:27Juventus's great rivals in the 70s

00:50:31it was basically the Milanese teams, that's it, and Turin.

00:50:36Juventus was the strongest team,

00:50:37it was a team that I'm just reading that lineup.

00:50:41There was the prize that touched,

00:50:45it was said, the motorbike is very beautiful, you could touch it,

00:50:47there was the carnelli, there was the furino, there was the sciletto,

00:50:49there was the caprice, there was the cilio, the sister.

00:50:51All the strong players went to Juve,

00:50:53then it turned out that they also earned less than other hunters,

00:50:58then they started asking themselves questions too,

00:51:00but they had total dominance on the market.

00:51:03And there was no particular rivalry with Roma

00:51:05because it had never been competed,

00:51:07they had never fought for the championship together.

00:51:09It was a clash between two ways of thinking about life.

00:51:13Juve-Roma in '81 marks the beginning of a deep enmity

00:51:18and a real rivalry.

00:51:19I remember that at the end of the match it was experienced in a very normal way,

00:51:24that is, the statements of the players, including the coaches,

00:51:28of President Viola were inclined to...

00:51:32Well, tonight we're watching Amo Viola.

00:51:33Then in reality a very broad debate emerged on Amo Viola

00:51:39because Amo Viola did not take a definitive position.

00:51:43We are faced with a classic ambiguous event,

00:51:46an element that cannot be explained in definitive terms,

00:51:50which has no certain and given explanation and which we can give once and for all,

00:51:54but it had consequences.

00:51:57Since the consequences of this event were so great,

00:52:01precisely the loss of a championship that had been coveted for 40 years,

00:52:05necessarily the causes must be great.

00:52:08And what causes can be bigger than a conspiracy?

00:52:11plotted by people of a certain importance, a certain social position,

00:52:17who want Roma not to win the Scudetto?

00:52:20We have a historic opportunity here today.

00:52:24to clarify something that no one has ever understood.

00:52:30You have to be my witnesses.

00:52:32But it started to build in Rome, this thing started to build,

00:52:36it's in the typical attitude that we Romans have,

00:52:38that we never let it end.

00:52:41I must also rightly say,

00:52:43It's as if there were an ancestral problem of ours,

00:52:47of feeling dominated.

00:52:50There you were dominated by the Savoy,

00:52:53and so for us this thing remained,

00:52:58it remained over time,

00:53:00until we finally understood

00:53:01that the secret services were behind it.

00:53:04Excuse me, Brio,

00:53:07does a word allow it?

00:53:09Biascica Augusto, Roma's head electrician.

00:53:12Pleasure.

00:53:13This is my son Arturo.

00:53:15HI.

00:53:16I take this opportunity to congratulate you.

00:53:18for everything he was as a footballer,

00:53:20but, despite everything,

00:53:22and then later as a commentator.

00:53:25Thank you.

00:53:26And I wanted to ask a question.

00:53:28What happened?

00:53:29It was May 10, 1981.

00:53:34Was Rome uncomfortable, perhaps?

00:53:37The secret services were involved,

00:53:39as many say?

00:53:41How did it really go, Brio?

00:53:43Maybe it's time this story came out,

00:53:46I'm telling the truth, okay?

00:53:47Oh, oh, oh, I say without controversy.

00:53:50May 1981, but Turoni's goal, you say?

00:53:53Exact.

00:53:54But enough with this story here in Rome,

00:53:56you do nothing but talk about Turoni's goal

00:53:58for 30 years, that's enough!

00:54:03Evidently then the famous episodes

00:54:06in those years they were more or less always going

00:54:09in one direction.

00:54:10If you were on the wrong team,

00:54:14You were starting to ask yourself a few questions, weren't you?

00:54:17For the imagination, let's say, of the fans,

00:54:20the great teams, the ones that win,

00:54:22they are always the ones helped, but that's not the case.

00:54:24The fan is an individual

00:54:26which has an identity relationship

00:54:28with the team that supports.

00:54:32Okay, but someone like me,

00:54:33In your opinion, which team could he be from?

00:54:38In my opinion she is a Lazio fan.

00:54:44Get off.

00:54:45There's no joking about these important things.

00:54:48You Juventus fans have disturbed my childhood.

00:54:50If a referee of whom I am not speaking

00:54:52the complex marital events

00:54:54had not disallowed a perfectly regular goal by Turone,

00:54:57in 1981 Roma would have won the championship

00:55:00and the history of Italian football

00:55:01it would have been completely different.

00:55:03I mean, I was six years old, I never recovered.

00:55:05And there are even those who say that I got fat like that

00:55:06for this trauma.

00:55:09Turone was offside.

00:55:11It's proven.

00:55:12Can we go now?

00:55:14Thank you.

00:55:15We only have

00:55:16this sense of belonging,

00:55:19but we can't win shit.

00:55:21So we're going to see in Rome tonight.

00:55:32I go to the stadium from

00:55:35too many years,

00:55:36I will have seen them

00:55:38more than a hundred,

00:55:41120, 130 times Roma-Juventus.

00:55:43I never left the stadium

00:55:45with Roma-Juventus appear

00:55:46saying that the f*** we stole the game from him.

00:55:49It never happened.

00:55:50I believe that half of Juventus fans

00:55:53if they gave him certified proof

00:55:56that the goal was offside

00:55:58enjoys it more.

00:55:59That's how we are made.

00:56:00What hasn't changed in football, it must be said.

00:56:03Juventus won in the 70s,

00:56:05in the 80s, in the 90s

00:56:07and then, and then, and then

00:56:08and continues to win even now.

00:56:10The others are like that,

00:56:12of the anomalies of history.

00:56:13I believe in the popular image

00:56:15let it always remain the same.

00:56:19He wasn't strong enough yet

00:56:22to do so in a manner

00:56:23that this is on purpose to raise the flag

00:56:25he goes towards the center of the field.

00:56:27In Rome, there is nothing but talk

00:56:29of this goal by Turone.

00:56:30It's damage, right?

00:56:31It also became a thing

00:56:32who make fun of us.

00:56:35They mock him.

00:56:36Turone's goal was good.

00:56:38Still with this story,

00:56:39the Lazio fans, the Juventus fans.

00:56:40The real truth is that we are always treated

00:56:42as if we were the last wheel of the dear.

00:56:44Instead, if I knew,

00:56:45but the first one.

00:56:45The dear wheel,

00:56:46crazy desire.

00:56:47Easy, if you end it,

00:56:48go to sleep

00:56:49there's work to do tomorrow, right?

00:56:50And anyway I want to say,

00:56:51the ices remain at zero

00:56:52because here the only thing that matters

00:56:53it's that we've started losing again

00:56:55and all of Italy started mocking again.

00:56:56Turone's goal for the Romans

00:57:00represents,

00:57:02it is symbolic of a sense of submission,

00:57:08of chronic abuse

00:57:10that they think they are going to suffer

00:57:13sometimes rightly so

00:57:14because over the centuries,

00:57:16from the Pope back,

00:57:18they have always been,

00:57:20all in all,

00:57:21the Roman people were dominated.

00:57:24Ready?

00:57:26Hello, Michele?

00:57:28Now, Michele, do you hear?

00:57:29But stop doing this to us.

00:57:31He is very disturbed.

00:57:32But there...

00:57:33But what the...

00:57:33I'm keeping quiet, right?

00:57:35Ready?

00:57:36Yes, yes, yes, okay, turn it down.

00:57:37They're on TV, thanks.

00:57:39Okay.

00:57:40Is that okay?

00:57:41Here, now that's fine.

00:57:42Friends, are you there?

00:57:43There are.

00:57:44Can you hear me okay?

00:57:44Yes, I can hear you well now.

00:57:45Me, as a habit, right?

00:57:47I finished work at the stadium,

00:57:50I was running on television

00:57:51participating in the editing of interviews,

00:57:54to the preparation

00:57:55of everything that had happened

00:57:58and here comes this bomb,

00:58:01that is, this news

00:58:02that Rome has been defrauded.

00:58:06Because then in my studio

00:58:09and also with all the technicians who worked,

00:58:12the majority was always from Rome,

00:58:14they were all Roma fans.

00:58:15So I worked that night

00:58:18in a very heavy climate

00:58:20of anger,

00:58:21of general anger

00:58:23for what had happened.

00:58:25All this happened

00:58:26when I still hadn't seen anything,

00:58:27then among other things.

00:58:28It is clear that each

00:58:29he sees things

00:58:31from its particular perspective

00:58:32and then he complains

00:58:33if things go well for him

00:58:34And...

00:58:35But I'm not talking about refereeing.

00:58:37If technically they're okay with it

00:58:38he doesn't complain.

00:58:39If the championship goes badly instead

00:58:41he complains

00:58:42and maybe find a reason to vent

00:58:43to complain

00:58:45Juventus had every reason

00:58:47to complain

00:58:48because what was done

00:58:49in my opinion

00:58:50due to Ebetteca

00:58:51it was a stylicide

00:58:52real and proper.

00:58:53He had every reason to

00:58:53to say something.

00:58:54It then culminated

00:58:55in a negative arbitration

00:58:56with Turin

00:58:57because in everyone's eyes

00:58:58it was bad refereeing.

00:58:59Thereafter

00:59:00It seems to me that nothing else happened.

00:59:02However, the Juventus representatives

00:59:03they spoke

00:59:04and they talked

00:59:04and how they spoke to each other.

00:59:05I'm just saying

00:59:07that where they speak

00:59:07the others too

00:59:08the same thing doesn't happen.

00:59:10On the contrary,

00:59:10often the opposite happens.

00:59:12Suddenly

00:59:13controversies explode

00:59:14on football

00:59:15in that sense there

00:59:16which were previously reserved

00:59:17and to a minimal extent

00:59:18only to newspapers

00:59:19and so there too

00:59:20that championship

00:59:21marks an epochal turning point.

00:59:23The controversies have come out

00:59:26in the long run

00:59:27in a heavy manner

00:59:29because the moment

00:59:31it was decisive

00:59:32and then slow down

00:59:35our

00:59:35it slowed down

00:59:37what was

00:59:38our path.

00:59:40Because in the end

00:59:42wins a championship

00:59:43could win

00:59:44Three

00:59:45of my Rome.

00:59:47Understood?

00:59:48I think one thing

00:59:49important

00:59:49what needs to be said

00:59:50is that after a few days

00:59:51we did

00:59:52Always

00:59:52it's not even the same

00:59:53wolf

00:59:53Turin

00:59:54winning.

00:59:56Meaning what

00:59:56it has been confirmed

00:59:57that Rome

00:59:59deserved

00:59:59the scudetto

01:00:00and this goal

01:00:01by Toroni

01:00:02it hurts

01:00:04Why

01:00:05Surely

01:00:06it's true

01:00:07not the scudetto

01:00:08in these 4-5 years.

01:00:10Are you feeling it now?

01:00:11to comment

01:00:12for us

01:00:13our

01:00:13slow motion

01:00:14which is dedicated

01:00:15to this goal

01:00:16of Rome

01:00:17marked

01:00:18who says offside

01:00:19and who says

01:00:20it wasn't offside.

01:00:20I convinced us

01:00:22I said

01:00:22if he reported

01:00:23it means

01:00:24that there was

01:00:24a friend of mine

01:00:25offside

01:00:25Therefore

01:00:26all in all

01:00:27but damn

01:00:30what did he do

01:00:31am I here?

01:00:32I understand

01:00:33the next day

01:00:34when the newspapers

01:00:35When

01:00:36Biscardi

01:00:37When

01:00:37television

01:00:38not having

01:00:39clarity

01:00:39of the images

01:00:41the second

01:00:42both in a Turin

01:00:43or Rome

01:00:43behind

01:00:44all their versions.

01:00:45Certain

01:00:46Monday

01:00:46I always remember

01:00:47that Biscardi

01:00:47he called me

01:00:48and he did

01:00:49the new violone.

01:00:50It's farting

01:00:51the man

01:00:51what's in the center?

01:00:52Here you are

01:00:52it seems to me

01:00:54it's difficult

01:00:55it's very difficult

01:00:56but I think

01:00:57that if we go back

01:00:58let's go back

01:00:59a moment

01:00:59Please

01:01:00at the time when

01:01:01the ball

01:01:02game from Conti

01:01:03impacts

01:01:04on the head

01:01:05by Fruzzo

01:01:05Here you are

01:01:06In my opinion

01:01:06that's it

01:01:06the moment

01:01:07in which

01:01:07we have to

01:01:08secure

01:01:08the ideal line

01:01:09of the offside

01:01:09and unfortunately

01:01:10I do not believe

01:01:10that can be seen

01:01:11they weren't clear

01:01:13the images

01:01:13he began

01:01:14and that I

01:01:15interrupted

01:01:16the phone call

01:01:17Why

01:01:18they were going

01:01:19even with insults

01:01:20heavy

01:01:20that I

01:01:20I couldn't

01:01:21don't even answer

01:01:22as

01:01:22us as

01:01:23as

01:01:24it would be taken away

01:01:25to draw

01:01:25we couldn't

01:01:26nor comment

01:01:27nor anything else

01:01:28of the match

01:01:29Excuse me

01:01:30I want to arrive

01:01:31a conclusion

01:01:31in Campora

01:01:32Look

01:01:34it seems to me

01:01:34That

01:01:34the reliefs

01:01:35by Piercesare

01:01:36have been

01:01:37as always

01:01:38of maximum objectivity

01:01:39it seemed to me

01:01:40to see

01:01:41net

01:01:42the position

01:01:43online

01:01:43of the Romanist

01:01:44so it was

01:01:45if you can tell us something

01:01:47Vinazzani

01:01:47but seeing

01:01:48Like this

01:01:49the TV

01:01:49seems out of play

01:01:50then it's difficult

01:01:51evaluate

01:01:51Sormani

01:01:52but it's very difficult

01:01:53the evaluation

01:01:54also because

01:01:55we're there

01:01:57on a razor's edge

01:01:58Carlo Ronche

01:01:59takes us right away

01:01:59on the Turin field

01:02:01to see the goal

01:02:02not validated

01:02:03to Rome

01:02:04Here you are

01:02:04Accounts in action

01:02:05its launch

01:02:06deep

01:02:07for Pruzzo

01:02:09the header

01:02:11of the centre forward

01:02:12for Turone

01:02:13that puts in

01:02:14his head face

01:02:15the referee will not validate

01:02:16for offside

01:02:17let's go back for a moment

01:02:18backwards

01:02:18there is no way

01:02:19there is no way

01:02:20Ramon can't be

01:02:21let's go to the moment

01:02:21of the header

01:02:22by Pruzzo

01:02:24Here you are

01:02:25at this point

01:02:25approximately we should

01:02:26consider

01:02:27but it can't be

01:02:28out of play

01:02:29you can put yourself

01:02:30as you like

01:02:31it can't be

01:02:33it can't be

01:02:34Look

01:02:35this is

01:02:36Prandelli

01:02:37the player

01:02:38look at Prandelli

01:02:39further back

01:02:40of Juventus

01:02:41what then

01:02:41will contrast

01:02:42Pruzzo

01:02:42in the header

01:02:43Prandelli

01:02:44it seems to us

01:02:45on this side

01:02:45of the disk

01:02:46of rigor

01:02:47that is, between the disk

01:02:47of rigor

01:02:48and the midfield

01:02:49by intent

01:02:49and that's fine

01:02:50but look

01:02:50where is Turone

01:02:51at the moment

01:02:51of the header

01:02:52Pruzzo as you can see

01:02:53Turone

01:02:54he took steps

01:02:54forward

01:02:55could at this point

01:02:57be online

01:02:58even with the disk

01:02:58of penalty

01:02:59but we are

01:03:00beyond the disk

01:03:01of rigor

01:03:01you see that

01:03:04Caesar

01:03:04it's beyond

01:03:06it's beyond

01:03:07it's beyond

01:03:16it's not clear like this

01:03:18Nothing

01:03:18or almost

01:03:19practically

01:03:20in spirit

01:03:21of the game

01:03:22the action

01:03:22it's enough

01:03:23anomalous

01:03:23Therefore

01:03:24it is not possible

01:03:25to understand

01:03:25where it was

01:03:26Turone

01:03:27in the moment

01:03:27in which

01:03:28Pruzzo

01:03:29touch of the head

01:03:30I saw it again

01:03:30many times

01:03:31it's impossible

01:03:32Truly

01:03:33impossible

01:03:35understand

01:03:35if he is out of the game

01:03:36or not out of the game

01:03:37from these

01:03:38visions

01:03:39of video

01:03:41it is not possible

01:03:42to understand

01:03:42as he said

01:03:43Also

01:03:44Stones

01:03:44for me

01:03:45remains

01:03:45the certainty

01:03:46of the report

01:03:47that Sancini

01:03:47he made me

01:03:48why did he do it to me

01:03:49in a manner

01:03:51timely

01:03:51now he sees there

01:03:52that already from

01:03:54as if

01:03:54the goalkeeper

01:03:55he stopped

01:03:56and the players

01:03:56of Juventus

01:03:57they were

01:03:57in the arms

01:03:59practically

01:04:00the game

01:04:00it was already stopped

01:04:01because in the meantime

01:04:01that the ball

01:04:02he was entering

01:04:03Paul

01:04:04he had already whistled

01:04:05me for the rest

01:04:06I had whistled

01:04:07the goal

01:04:07because the ball

01:04:08she had entered

01:04:08in goal

01:04:09so in the moment

01:04:09where I see it

01:04:10with the flag raised high

01:04:11for me it's out of the game

01:04:13and sincerely

01:04:15seeing it again

01:04:15I also understand

01:04:16so much talk

01:04:19that there was

01:04:21around this

01:04:22to this network

01:04:26out of play

01:04:27fuck

01:04:28what if there was

01:04:29then sorry

01:04:30I'm fretting

01:04:31I still never understood

01:04:32which is

01:04:32when the attacker

01:04:33it's beyond

01:04:34of the last defender

01:04:35come on easy

01:04:35but in what sense?

01:04:36it's beyond

01:04:37that is, from the moment

01:04:38where the passage starts

01:04:39the attacker

01:04:41it must not be found

01:04:41beyond

01:04:42of the imaginary line

01:04:43which part

01:04:44from the last defender

01:04:45yes but the last one

01:04:46In what sense

01:04:46the last one

01:04:47the closest one

01:04:48at the door

01:04:48come on

01:04:50but the door

01:04:51whose is it

01:04:51his or his opponent's

01:04:53if the defender

01:04:54it will be his

01:04:54the door

01:04:55No

01:04:57no you hear

01:04:57I didn't understand

01:05:03but the offside

01:05:04in those years

01:05:05era

01:05:06let's say

01:05:06even maybe

01:05:07simpler

01:05:08but less easily

01:05:09identifiable

01:05:10Why

01:05:10the technologies

01:05:12of the time

01:05:12they were not

01:05:13the same as today

01:05:14because once

01:05:15if one was

01:05:16even offside

01:05:17on the ground

01:05:17stretched out

01:05:18and always

01:05:19he was out of the game

01:05:20it was enough to be

01:05:21online

01:05:22that there were

01:05:23already a thousand doubts

01:05:24if the passage

01:05:26it starts from this

01:05:27damn point

01:05:28and go

01:05:29beyond

01:05:30this fucking thing

01:05:31line

01:05:32we're talking

01:05:33outside

01:05:34fucked up

01:05:35game

01:05:36it's clear

01:05:37Now

01:05:37it's clear

01:05:38I have the impression

01:05:40that the rule

01:05:41he's out of the game

01:05:41first of all

01:05:42they don't know her

01:05:42the fans

01:05:43and this

01:05:43then many times

01:05:44they don't know her

01:05:45not even journalists

01:05:46and what's worse

01:05:46some time

01:05:47maybe they know her

01:05:49but they interpret it badly

01:05:50even the linesmen

01:05:51the offside

01:05:52it worked

01:05:53that just

01:05:53the attacker

01:05:55he was dispossessing himself

01:05:56of the ball

01:05:56and directed

01:05:58the ball

01:05:59towards

01:05:59the companion

01:06:01if this

01:06:01was in front

01:06:03to the defenders

01:06:03immediately

01:06:06linesman

01:06:06he was raising

01:06:07the flag

01:06:08the attacker

01:06:09online

01:06:10with the penultimate

01:06:11employee

01:06:11he was out of play

01:06:13today instead

01:06:14he is not out of play

01:06:15this line

01:06:16that you are talking about

01:06:16I want to know

01:06:17where is it

01:06:17it's the line

01:06:19which demarcates

01:06:20the border

01:06:20which must not be

01:06:22exceeded

01:06:23in the sense that

01:06:24if you're online

01:06:25not being

01:06:26offside

01:06:27it's a position

01:06:28that gives you

01:06:29greater advantage

01:06:30respect

01:06:30to the possibility

01:06:31to score a goal

01:06:33but why on TV

01:06:33there is no

01:06:34because you can't see it

01:06:36it's invisible

01:06:37fuck

01:06:37it's a dick

01:06:38of an imaginary line

01:06:40the offside

01:06:41it's the only rule

01:06:42a little difficult

01:06:43that's a little sophisticated

01:06:45that the game

01:06:46of the ball

01:06:46really beautiful

01:06:47for its simplicity

01:06:56to

01:07:22The ball rains down, Fruzzo, Turone, goal.

01:07:28There it is, this is out of the game, huh?

01:07:29No, this is passive out of play.

01:07:32Oh, no.

01:07:41Because there is no perspective.

01:07:43Then there is also the element of time.

01:07:45And look, a slap or a caress depends on how fast you carry it.

01:07:49Certain.

01:07:49And you don't see this in slow motion.

01:07:51Frank, maybe it will be a quicker caress.

01:07:54Frank, I would like to point out that both the slow motion and the slow motion are tools used for entertainment and for curiosity.

01:08:01of the public.

01:08:01Everyone is free to interpret it as they wish.

01:08:03It is not the Supreme Court of Cassation for football, nor for referees.

01:08:07It exploded in the media.

01:08:10The striking thing about this era is that this explosion then continues and goes on over the years,

01:08:20so much so as to provoke a sort of offside mystique.

01:08:26That is, there is no Juve-Roma where there is not an offside situation that does not come from

01:08:31joke.

01:08:33We were talking about centimeters when the meter didn't exist, right?

01:08:38Now the unit of measurement has undergone a bit of inflation and centimeters have become meters.

01:08:43Because my father insisted on inches, right?

01:08:45So Boniperti is a little ruler from elementary school, made of plastic, right?

01:08:52Telling the president, you who always want to count the centimeters, I'll give you the ruler if you count them a little better,

01:08:59No?

01:08:59Obviously my father, who was a little indisposed because theoretically he's talking to Ragnelli, the two owners, right?

01:09:06He suffered a little from this interference, this teckel from Boniperti.

01:09:10But he replied with great skill by saying you are a surveyor and you take the ruler.

01:09:15I'm an engineer, I don't need to, I can count them without centimeters.

01:09:19At that moment, that famous clash, even Boniperti and Viola, it's an extraordinary clash that should be written in the books

01:09:27of the history of communication.

01:09:29Because they were clashes of astonishing intelligence, violent in their elegance.

01:09:37Boniperti was a surveyor, the matter of the centimeters, of the double decimeter that they say he sent Viola, etc., for the exact measurement,

01:09:47she was seductive.

01:09:49Then there was the fact that there wasn't the rush of technology, so everything retained that air of mystery.

01:09:55And now we return to Telebim again for a curiosity, as I was saying, requested in recent days.

01:10:00Colleague Lino Cascioli from Il Messaggero asked to be able to use Telebim also for the episodes of the

01:10:10past.

01:10:10One of the requested episodes is the famous disallowed goal for Turone.

01:10:15We have the images with Cottini, with Pantanetti.

01:10:17Let's go back and revisit that episode from May 10, 1981.

01:10:22In 1985 RAI had signed a contract with Telesia which had created an electronic processing system

01:10:35which could also be applied to films in order to create a sense of depth.

01:10:43But Telebim was a preview of the system that is now used without any problem and no one is shocked.

01:10:54Now let's try to transform the image from the video player to Telebim and transform the player into a silhouette

01:11:01to try to identify the situation.

01:11:06From this angle you can see that Prandelli is keeping the ball in play, or Pruzzo obviously because he was behind and was making the cross,

01:11:13and also Turone.

01:11:14So Telebim, after about 4 years, attributes the goal to Turone, even if obviously it is not necessary now

01:11:24to nothing.

01:11:24It was a revival curiosity, this episode of flash goals ends here.

01:11:29In a few moments, after the commercials, again on this network, the first half of Torino-Roma.

01:11:35Thanks, see you later.

01:11:36A huge uproar ensued, the reaction was disproportionate, it was disproportionate, it was abnormal.

01:11:44For months and months, almost a year, Juventus no longer allowed its players to be interviewed by RAI

01:11:51because he had committed this crime against the state.

01:11:54In my own little way, I was excluded from Juventus' Christmas presents, just to say something silly.

01:12:02Then even people inside RAI imagined that we had manipulated the images.

01:12:10where the only thing that could not be done was manipulation because Telesia's electronic processing

01:12:19he could not allow any manipulation by me or an editor, absolutely.

01:12:27It was a scandal at the time.

01:12:30But was Turone's goal offside or not?

01:12:33Still no, Turone's goal isn't possible. How many years have passed?

01:12:38There was Carlo Sassi, the RAI journalist, who said that the situation had been manipulated a bit.

01:12:45there.

01:12:45He said it, I didn't say it.

01:12:47Yes, no, the video replay showed that the goal was irregular.

01:12:52Yes.

01:12:52So what?

01:12:53That Turone was beyond Prandelli's line.

01:12:58But then in Rome, with a particular ploy, they demonstrated that he was not offside.

01:13:10Oh, which wasn't true because they, I won't say cheated for my sake.

01:13:17Did they put me there?

01:13:18No, they used a perspective.

01:13:22That machine that gave this response is perfect, absolutely.

01:13:27So they've tweaked it a bit, for their own good.

01:13:30Indeed, so.

01:13:31The controversy, in my opinion, arose because there were all the conditions for that controversy to arise,

01:13:38because in reality, precisely, teleping, like many other things, is a question of braking.

01:13:42Well, in the end, it's a bit like political chatter, in the end.

01:13:47All that matters about these episodes remains in the heart.

01:13:51Yes, I notice it when I go to Rome and there's someone of a certain age who still recognizes me.

01:13:57That throat, that throat.

01:14:00When you tell me that the typhoons of Rome still feel this trauma,

01:14:04that this trauma survives, no, 40 years, but 400, indeed.

01:14:08I would say that it is strengthened and enriched in the oral or written tradition.

01:14:12A wound, which is different.

01:14:14Trauma gets a little silly, doesn't it?

01:14:17We didn't get stupid at all, we were more careful, in fact.

01:14:20Only the wound is there.

01:14:22That Turone gole has become a fairy tale, from a certain point of view.

01:14:26It's a story that is told, and that parents probably pass on to their children.

01:14:31They say, well, there was that.

01:14:32We suffered that injustice that time.

01:14:34There was Ramon, who was a Spanish speaker, right?

01:14:38Then Ramon with the sword, who entered the Savoy area

01:14:43and tried to skewer them.

01:14:46I told my son about it.

01:14:49He says, but dad, I don't remember, but I read somewhere

01:14:55that this pole has been there for years.

01:14:56I told him what had happened.

01:14:59So that means it's okay.

01:15:00Yes, maybe in 40 years we will still be here,

01:15:05or they will probably be telling about this goal,

01:15:08probably with new technology

01:15:10and they will finally decide whether or not it was offside.

01:15:14I've always been sure that this Turone goal thing will never end,

01:15:18why did it enter mythology now

01:15:21and they will talk about it in 2064

01:15:25and they will say that the secret services were behind it

01:15:28and they will give explanations that are perhaps even more refined,

01:15:33they will explain to you what really happened.

01:15:37Actually what happened is that maybe a linesman

01:15:40he raised a flag

01:15:44because in indecision

01:15:47the human soul always chooses the safest path.

01:15:51Many times they have input.

01:15:55It's an episode that can definitely change people's lives,

01:16:07but for the sliding doors tour,

01:16:10in the sense that if that day for example the goal had been valid,

01:16:16maybe we would get drunk the next day,

01:16:21we didn't leave the same day, we arrived the next day

01:16:23and life changed accordingly.

01:16:26They are wounds that cannot be imagined again,

01:16:29because these are opportunities that unfortunately have only come your way once.

01:16:35It's not fair and this gives you a sense of frustration and anger

01:16:40that you carry with you forever,

01:16:41so of course it changes your life, it changes everyone's life.

01:16:44I was left a bit tearful, as a Roma fan should be,

01:16:47but I also took it with humor.

01:16:49I think he gave us a license to be small sacrificial victims,

01:16:56which then we remained forever,

01:16:58and that I also like,

01:17:00because others know we are strong

01:17:02and precisely because we are strong

01:17:03every now and then they play some nasty tricks on us.

01:17:07In Turone it certainly changed his life.

01:17:10The thing that strikes me is seeing how these footballers of that time,

01:17:15in remembering a similar episode,

01:17:18today they are as poisoned as they were that day.

01:17:22Oh yes, because it's not a normal episode,

01:17:24it's an episode that saw the victory of a champion,

01:17:26a little champion could have won,

01:17:28that's a big thing there,

01:17:30it was a huge, huge mistake.

01:17:33So we went to see this Italy vs. Holland match.

01:17:38At one point, in the distance,

01:17:41we saw the referee Bergamo.

01:17:42The referee Bergamo and Fabrizio told me,

01:17:46look, there's Bergamo, let's go and tell them about Turone's goal.

01:17:50He was standing there and saying, guys, again with this goal from Turone,

01:17:53he says, but you made two boxes, I can't take it anymore.

01:17:56And he showed up in a movie.

01:17:57But what are you doing?

01:17:58He came to Bergamo.

01:17:59Have you spoken to Bergamo?

01:18:01Yes, I spoke after years of hearing,

01:18:02and I said, but how come, why did you cancel us?

01:18:05He says, but still with Turone's goal?

01:18:07Still yes.

01:18:07You understand, they are subversives.

01:18:10But mortaggio, but mortaggio.

01:18:11No, it's my fault.

01:18:13One thing, you've scored one goal in your entire life

01:18:17and after 40 years we are still talking about a truly famous man, Cassius.

01:18:22But look, this call is always strange.

01:18:24A few days ago I was in Zürich

01:18:26who threw that party for Paolo Rossini.

01:18:29Yes.

01:18:29And there was also Parcao and Junior.

01:18:32And right with my young friends

01:18:33this is exactly what we were talking about.

01:18:35And Gentile told me,

01:18:37you know, with today's VAR we saw that VAR is an offside.

01:18:42I'm not telling you what I told him, though.

01:18:45I don't think so, Cassius.

01:18:47Oh, they can also change the VAR.

01:18:51Absolutely, absolutely.

01:18:52It's a scary thing how much I am...

01:18:55No, but you see that there is the discussion,

01:18:57It's like our great President said,

01:18:59it's a matter of feelings.

01:19:01That is, if you tire him out with the action on my cross

01:19:03it's the bruzzo that jumped on Prandelli

01:19:05and you who came from behind,

01:19:07to your own situation.

01:19:08I don't know if it was the other way around,

01:19:09what could happen.

01:19:18Anyway,

01:19:18there yes, he had a great career,

01:19:20but he is remembered for that episode,

01:19:22among other things he scored a great goal

01:19:24and so if I were him I would be happy,

01:19:27I would have no doubts.

01:19:28I don't like to be remembered for something like that,

01:19:31absolutely.

01:19:32Many times it even bothers me.

01:19:33What's happening?

01:19:34They come to interview you,

01:19:36people passing by stop you,

01:19:37that goal there, that gravy goal,

01:19:39but having become someone,

01:19:42someone,

01:19:43not a small one,

01:19:44someone small though,

01:19:47For a goal it seems a bit too much to me...

01:19:49To be remembered only for that episode there

01:19:54It is limiting.

01:19:55I think Turone,

01:19:57in the era after Scirea and with Baresi,

01:20:00the greatest freeman of those years in Italy.

01:20:02This is the shirt from the 1980 Italian Cup final,

01:20:06by Ramon Turone.

01:20:06Let's say that Turone as a footballer

01:20:09he also partly impersonated the Roma fan,

01:20:13therefore many fans also identified with Ramon Turone

01:20:17like the warrior who plays for you.

01:20:21Yes, exactly.

01:20:21Great character,

01:20:22someone who pushes forward in the last ten minutes and scores.

01:20:25He already shows you to be an almost Dutch-style defender,

01:20:29almost modern, right?

01:20:30He is the symbol of the yellow and red heart

01:20:33and he is remembered a lot for this thing here,

01:20:36from those who don't love Rome,

01:20:37but those who love Roma remember Turone for many other things.

01:20:40It's over, it's over.

01:20:42If you've seen it maybe a few times on TV

01:20:46this goal, if you've stopped to think...

01:20:48No, not me, but every now and then someone passes by...

01:20:51Eh, I showed it to us on TV...

01:20:53Eh, thanks.

01:20:55Back in Juventus' half.

01:21:00Ancelotti.

01:21:05Turone's goal, no, it was offside,

01:21:07but how many times do we have to say?

01:21:08We've been saying this for 40 years, guys,

01:21:10Turone's goal was offside.

01:21:12My friend Paolo Rossi and I can guarantee you this.

01:21:16that we were here.

01:21:18By Bartolomei.

01:21:19Eh, like that.

01:21:21The goal is good when...

01:21:23when the referee indicates the center of the field.

01:21:25Now, in my opinion all the goals Juventus scored are good.

01:21:28Accounts.

01:21:29Me in those moments during the broadcast

01:21:31I provoked Alberto and my other guests a lot

01:21:34saying, but gentlemen, why do you take it so badly?

01:21:38In short, the goal is irregular.

01:21:39You can clearly see that it is irregular.

01:21:42And that was a game.

01:21:43When I saw him again in the last stage

01:21:46eh, I have to say no,

01:21:49that I believe the goal was irregular.

01:21:53Ball rains in the air,

01:21:55Pruzzo, Turone, goal.

01:21:59Was Turone's goal good or not?

01:22:01Goal by Turone which the referee however,

01:22:05on the linesman's instructions, cancel.

01:22:08Turone's goal was good,

01:22:10but it was just as good as bread.

01:22:12Half a meter,

01:22:13as the toll booth attendant told me.

01:22:16I absolutely don't think so,

01:22:18because Giuliano Sancini said no.

01:22:20I'm bewitched from behind the mortacite.

01:22:22We see the action.

01:22:24Here's Pruzzo's header

01:22:25This is the moment when Turone's position must be evaluated.

01:22:28Turone's goal was really good.

01:22:30It was delicious.

01:22:32Amazingly good.

01:22:34Turone is the last player on the left.

01:22:35Let's see if we can decipher it.

01:22:37Is that the one over here on the right?

01:22:38Turone's goal was good.

01:22:40Not that it was good,

01:22:41it was very good.

01:22:42Turone's goal will go down in history.

01:22:43At this moment

01:22:47It can't be said.

01:22:48There is Prantelli who seems further behind than Turone.

01:22:52Turone's goal is enough.

01:22:55Turone's goal was disallowed,

01:22:57scored in the twenty-ninth minute.

01:22:58What a shame?

01:22:59Does the joke work?

01:23:02Think I've never had it

01:23:04and never the last.

01:23:08Never the only one again.

01:23:10This is the first time I've won it.

01:23:12It's the first time.

01:23:14It's the first time.

01:23:17I do not know,

01:23:21but we have to keep

01:23:22not to feed

01:23:24still 40 years old

01:23:25what are we talking about?

01:23:27of Turone's goal.

01:23:28It seemed so.

01:23:30Then it seemed not.

01:23:32Then it seemed so again.

01:23:34Then comes some technology.

01:23:36They say it isn't.

01:23:37For me it was.

01:23:38It was the same for Turone.

01:23:40It was the same for Bruno Conti.

01:23:41It was the same for Pruzzo.

01:23:43And it was for all people

01:23:45who were at the stadium.

01:23:46Therefore the goal is valid.

01:23:48Then after I don't know

01:23:48if we would have won the championship.

01:23:50I think so.

01:23:51I think that championship

01:23:53a small slice

01:23:54we still have it.

01:23:57Turone's goal was good.

01:23:59But it was good.

01:24:00it's just like doing it.

01:24:01I absolutely do not think so.

01:24:04why Giuliano Santini

01:24:05it's the first.

01:24:11The first is history.

01:24:15The first remains history.

01:24:43Thank you all.

01:25:12Thank you all.

01:25:30Thank you all.

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