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ICC WARRANT REMAINS VALID
Is the ICC arrest warrant against Senator Ronald “Bato” dela Rosa still legally valid—and why hasn’t it been enforced in the Philippines?
An ICC-accredited counsel says the warrant remains in force, even amid recent political tension and security concerns.
However, he clarified that enforcement is not automatic and depends heavily on government cooperation and coordination with law enforcement agencies and state institutions.
While ICC warrants are recognized internationally, their execution on the ground ultimately hinges on whether national authorities choose to cooperate.
📺 Watch now on Beyond the Headlines with DJ Moises.
Is the ICC arrest warrant against Senator Ronald “Bato” dela Rosa still legally valid—and why hasn’t it been enforced in the Philippines?
An ICC-accredited counsel says the warrant remains in force, even amid recent political tension and security concerns.
However, he clarified that enforcement is not automatic and depends heavily on government cooperation and coordination with law enforcement agencies and state institutions.
While ICC warrants are recognized internationally, their execution on the ground ultimately hinges on whether national authorities choose to cooperate.
📺 Watch now on Beyond the Headlines with DJ Moises.
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02:38Good afternoon, Attorney Ram.
02:40Welcome to Beyond the Headlines.
02:43DJ, sir.
02:44Good afternoon and good afternoon to all the viewers and listeners as well.
02:48Okay, let's go to the Attorney's Republic Act 9851 because this is commonly cited by the legal community.
02:56Can you exactly share to our viewers what's RA 9851 about?
03:02Yes, it is the legal basis upon which, shall we say, the complainants or the state or the government anchor
03:21their argument that any so-called fugitive,
03:26an international fugitive can be arrested by virtue of this law.
03:33This is the Philippine Act on crimes against international humanitarian law, genocide, and other crimes against humanity.
03:45The center of the argument of the warring parties, I should say is that it is under article, I mean,
04:00section 17 on the jurisdiction.
04:03Because the complainants, the counsel for the compliance of the ICC, as well as the office of the prosecutor, can
04:18say that the warrant of arrest can immediately be implemented against any suspect.
04:25And on the Philippine setting, they are banking on that law, the RA 9851.
04:38Yes, so it's on the matter of scrutinizing section 17 on jurisdiction because it is stated here that the suspect,
04:59shall we say, for that matter, the fugitive,
05:02can be surrendered or extradited by the Philippine government to the international court or the issuing court.
05:12So it's because of this provision that there could be efforts to arrest Senator De La Rosa sans undergoing judicial
05:28scrutiny.
05:28But there has to be, in the context of the Rome Statute, under Article 59, because it is, by the
05:43way, this Article 59, under the Rome Statute, I understand it as a mandatory provision.
05:51Meaning to say, if one has been arrested via a valid warrant of arrest by the ICC, he or she
06:02has to be brought to the local competent court,
06:07wherein the formalities for Section 59 shall be observed.
06:15So there has to be a determination whether the warrant applies to that person.
06:22Of course, the identity, it has to be determined and the person's rights should be respected.
06:31Or has she or he been informed of his constitutional and statutory rights?
06:39So, and all of those.
06:42So, Attorney...
06:43Oh, sorry.
06:43Yes, sir.
06:44So, Attorney Ram, kay Murag, ang contention, Annie, let's start on the other side.
06:49The supporters of former President Rodrigo Luterte and Senator Bato De La Rosa,
06:58they would always argue that the Philippines has already withdrawn from ICC.
07:05And they also questioned the jurisdiction of ICC over Philippine sovereignty.
07:14So, how does Section 59 of the Roman Statute support or dispute that?
07:24Actually, sir, as to the issues of jurisdiction, lengthy discussions and debates have already been ruled by the ICC
07:36because I understand the former president as well as the good senator have been charged as co-conspirators.
07:47So, as to the issue of jurisdiction, it has already been settled.
07:53So, in so far as Section 59 is concerned, this does not affect the jurisdiction of the court
08:05because when there is a one-hand of arrest issued, it continues until the resolution of the case
08:14or until the accused has been arrested.
08:19So, ang atuwa lang yun, Annie, sa side sa senator, kay gusto mang kunin nyo dakpon,
08:29you bring me, you bring me to the competent judicial authority in the Philippines.
08:35And then, they are also invoking the new extradition rules promulgated by our Supreme Court.
08:43And even though I haven't seen the petition,
08:51I would say that they will be invoking that he will be given the right to exhaust all legal remedies
09:03that timeout Osa ang arrest sa iya.
09:08So, for them, the court, the Philippine court has the final say
09:14whether or not the ICC warrant will be validly served against him.
09:23So, are we saying, attorney, that that is a prerequisite
09:27before the warrant of arrest can take effect,
09:31before the senator could be brought to the ICC in The Hague,
09:38the requirement or the prerequisite is for him to face
09:42a competent court in the Philippines first.
09:47Is my understanding correct?
09:50Sir, I can give three views regarding your question.
09:54But, it's very clear that under Article 59 of the Rome Statute,
09:59there has this requirement of endorsement
10:03or bringing the accused to the local judicial authorities.
10:09But, at least I have observed,
10:13there are three views regarding the application
10:16or inapplicability of Section 59.
10:22Article 59, I mean Article 59.
10:24One view is that it violates the statute
10:27because it appears that it is a shortcut
10:31insofar as Mr. Duterte is concerned.
10:33So, by applying to Senator Bato,
10:38if he will be arrested and brought to The Hague directly
10:42under Article 59,
10:45it would be a violation thereof.
10:47And, the other view is that it does not violate the statute
10:52since the Philippines is already a non-party
10:57as of the service of the warrant.
11:01So, the Philippines may no longer observe Article 59.
11:08That's the other view.
11:10And, the third view is that it's a bit of a middle ground
11:14between the compliance or the applicability or non-applicability.
11:19It's so-called substantial compliance.
11:22As long as the arrested person is properly identified
11:26and he has been read of his Miranda rights,
11:31then that's good to go.
11:32That would be okay.
11:33So, I think those views are still hanging
11:39before the Supreme Court
11:41because the petitions of the Duterte
11:44have not been ruled yet by the Supreme Court.
11:48So, is it clear if it's applicable to this Article 59
11:53to Mr. Duterte or do you apply for Senator De La Rosa?
12:01So, that's the pending issue or the pending question
12:06regarding those arrests of Mr. Duterte
12:10and Mr. De La Rosa.
12:14Although, so far as the ICC is concerned,
12:18it's already settled
12:20that it's a jurisdiction and then whatever defect
12:27relative to the arrest of Mr. Duterte,
12:30it's negligible.
12:32It's important that he's in the Hague
12:34properly identified and then
12:37he has been informed of his rights.
12:42So, the way I understand this,
12:44and reading also from several different perspectives,
12:51even from lawyers themselves
12:53on their interpretations of the law,
12:58my impression is
13:00the case of Senator Bato
13:04is also anchored on the precedence,
13:08that the former president's arrest
13:10was also handled.
13:11So, if the Supreme Court, for example,
13:14will say,
13:15they did not issue a decision just yet,
13:21whether it was unconstitutional or not.
13:23But depending on their decision,
13:26that will also become a precedent
13:28on how this situation
13:31with Senator Bato De La Rosa
13:33will be handled.
13:34Yes, that's precisely,
13:37that's a precedent,
13:38but it also boils down
13:41to the action of the head of state
13:46or the government,
13:48including the Interpol station
13:52of the Philippines.
13:53If they do not action,
13:55if they do not action them,
13:56if they do not rule the Supreme Court,
13:58whatever ruling the Supreme Court
14:00may render on the Duterte petitions,
14:03and then,
14:04by virtue of precedence on that,
14:09what applies to Duterte
14:11could also apply to De La Rosa,
14:16if it is valid for this,
14:18if it is valid for this,
14:23the Malacanang,
14:24they are just like
14:29the Russia and Israel situation,
14:31so,
14:32it can be,
14:33it can be no effect
14:34against the Philippines
14:38against a particular,
14:40against a particular accused.
14:43If you don't have to operate
14:44the government
14:45or the head of state,
14:47you don't have to do it.
14:49So,
14:50actually,
14:51with at least
14:52correct me if I'm wrong
14:53if I understood you correctly,
14:55but I've also heard
14:55this argument in the past.
14:58So,
14:58what you're actually saying,
14:59regardless of whether,
15:00what's the decision
15:03of the Supreme Court
15:05regarding the arrest
15:06of Duterte,
15:07whether it's constitutional
15:08or not,
15:09whether,
15:10whether,
15:11whether it was legal
15:12or not,
15:14the,
15:14the main
15:16driver,
15:16you know,
15:17of mover
15:17for this one
15:19or for,
15:19for Bato De La Rosa
15:21to be moved
15:22to ICC
15:22in the same manner
15:23that the former president
15:25was moved
15:26to the ICC,
15:27the biggest prerequisite
15:28is also the cooperation
15:29of the,
15:30of the Philippine government,
15:32specifically,
15:33the chief executive
15:35of the country,
15:35now?
15:36Yes,
15:37because
15:38all those
15:39executive forces
15:41are under
15:42the direct
15:44control
15:45of the president,
15:47the NBI,
15:48the police,
15:49and other
15:51government agencies.
15:53So,
15:54if
15:55the president
15:56or chief executive
15:58says,
15:59no,
15:59leave him alone,
16:00and that's it.
16:01Or if
16:02the president
16:04says,
16:05by all means
16:06necessary,
16:07implement
16:08the warrant of arrest,
16:10and that's it.
16:12Now,
16:13attorney,
16:14what if,
16:14now,
16:15basically,
16:15because the president,
16:16the former president
16:16is already in The Hague,
16:18no?
16:18And then,
16:19what if
16:20Senator De La Rosa
16:22was also,
16:23will also be brought
16:24to The Hague?
16:25And then,
16:26the Supreme Court
16:27will issue
16:28the ruling
16:30of
16:31these arrests
16:33being
16:34unconstitutional.
16:35Can they still
16:36be brought back
16:37to the Philippines?
16:39That's
16:40an issue
16:41that
16:45it cannot
16:49be enforced
16:50upon the
16:51ICC
16:51once they are
16:53there now.
16:53Yes,
16:54because the
16:55ICC
16:55is a
16:56separate
16:58sovereign
16:59entity
17:00also,
17:00although it
17:01may not be
17:01considered
17:02as a
17:03state
17:03per se,
17:04but it
17:05composed of
17:07several
17:08states,
17:08and then
17:09it has
17:10an attribute
17:11of being
17:12a state.
17:13So,
17:15dili na,
17:16kung sa may
17:17ruling sa Supreme
17:18Court,
17:18assuming
17:18ka to yung
17:19giingon
17:19na,
17:20uy,
17:21unconstitutional,
17:22eh,
17:23dapat wa to siya
17:23madaktif,
17:24or dapat
17:25i-undergo pa to siya
17:27sa local
17:28judicial
17:28authorities,
17:29it's not
17:30binding already
17:31upon the
17:32ICC.
17:33Non-binding,
17:35eh,
17:35nagsugod na sila
17:36sa proseso,
17:37and then,
17:38all other
17:41issues
17:41regarding the
17:42arrest,
17:43or infirmities
17:44of the arrest,
17:45can be
17:46simply added
17:47as one of
17:48the defenses
17:48of the
17:50respondent
17:50or suspect.
17:51So,
17:52dili na kayo
17:53na siya
17:53mumater
17:53kay,
17:55magakpan na
17:56yun,
17:56to anang-anto,
17:58ang naanagyo
17:58jurisdiction
17:59over the
18:00issues
18:01and over
18:01the person
18:03is the
18:04ICC
18:04naman.
18:05Dili naman
18:06na sila
18:06madiktaran
18:06anak.
18:10So,
18:12kung an attorney
18:15ba,
18:16given taking
18:16that into
18:17consideration,
18:18although this
18:18is still the
18:19second
18:20story that
18:21we will have
18:21today,
18:21and I'll
18:22tackle that
18:22eventually
18:23separately.
18:24So,
18:25technically,
18:26kaneng si
18:26Senator
18:27De La
18:27Rosa
18:27karun,
18:28and then
18:28correct me
18:28if I'm
18:29wrong,
18:29ha,
18:29on your
18:30legal
18:31interpretation.
18:32So,
18:33technically,
18:34kaneng si
18:34Senator
18:35De La
18:35Rosa
18:35karun,
18:37is
18:37wala
18:38agad ni
18:38siya,
18:38di pa
18:38na
18:38to
18:39ni
18:39siya
18:39matag,
18:39as what
18:40Senator,
18:40Senate
18:41President
18:41Cayetano
18:42would say,
18:43technically,
18:44we cannot
18:44call this
18:46as an
18:46escape,
18:47because
18:48wala
18:49pa
18:49man
18:49na
18:49established,
18:50at
18:50kemuraga
18:51debate.
18:51okay,
18:53okay,
18:53moving
18:53towards the
18:54second
18:54story,
18:54although
18:55I'll
18:55tackle
18:55that
18:55separately,
18:56we know
18:57that
18:57Senator
18:58De La
18:59Rosa
18:59quote-unquote
19:01escaped,
19:02no,
19:02from the
19:03Senate,
19:04and then
19:05Senator
19:05President
19:06Peter Cayetano
19:08said,
19:08it's not,
19:09it's not
19:10an escape,
19:11because
19:11his warrant
19:12of arrest
19:13while issued
19:14by ICC
19:15is not
19:17considered
19:17valid,
19:18and then
19:19I'll add
19:20my interpretation,
19:21correct me if
19:22I'm wrong,
19:22and because
19:23even the
19:24legal community
19:25dispute
19:25so,
19:26meaning,
19:27unless the
19:29Supreme
19:30Court will
19:30issue its
19:31ruling,
19:31but other
19:33than that,
19:34so,
19:37in that
19:38context,
19:39okay,
19:40I can
19:41reply.
19:43Senator,
19:45Senate
19:45President
19:46Peter
19:47Cayetano
19:48technically,
19:50the
19:50Senator
19:51Bato
19:51De La
19:51Rosa
19:51did not
19:52really
19:52escape.
19:55Actually,
19:56that's
19:57just
19:57half,
19:58one
19:59side
20:00of the
20:00coin.
20:01Insofar
20:01as
20:02Philippine
20:03laws
20:04are
20:04concerned,
20:06he does
20:06not have
20:07a standing
20:07warrant
20:08of arrest
20:09issued
20:09by the
20:09Sandigan
20:10Bayan
20:10or RPC.
20:12So,
20:12in the
20:13eyes of
20:13Philippine
20:14laws,
20:14he is
20:15not a
20:15fugitive.
20:16However,
20:17if you're
20:18going to
20:18take a
20:18look
20:19on the
20:20lens of
20:21the
20:21ICC,
20:22there's
20:23a valid
20:23warrant
20:24already
20:24which has
20:25been
20:26unsealed
20:26and made
20:27public,
20:28then he's
20:29already
20:30considered a
20:31fugitive.
20:34that's
20:35just
20:36one
20:37side
20:39of the
20:40coin,
20:40but the
20:40other
20:41side
20:41of the
20:41coin,
20:42perhaps
20:43he
20:44just
20:46omitted
20:46to
20:47state
20:48that.
20:50So,
20:51we're
20:52trying to
20:52at least
20:53look at
20:53both
20:54sides.
20:55Very
20:55polarizing
20:57developments
20:59in
21:00Philippine
21:00politics.
21:01So,
21:02correct me
21:03if I'm
21:03wrong,
21:03attorney,
21:05for
21:06Senator
21:07Bato
21:08De La
21:08Rosa
21:08to be
21:09moved
21:10to The
21:10Hague,
21:12two
21:12things
21:13that
21:14can be
21:14done,
21:15I'm
21:16calling this
21:17in the
21:17short term,
21:17if he wants
21:18to be
21:19Number
21:20one,
21:21if you
21:21issue
21:22the
21:22Supreme
21:22Court
21:23or
21:23ruling
21:23that
21:24it's
21:25legal,
21:26to
21:27extract
21:28him
21:29from
21:30the
21:30Philippines
21:31to
21:31The
21:31Hague
21:31the
21:32same
21:33way
21:33that
21:34it
21:35was
21:35done
21:36to
21:36the
21:37former
21:37president
21:37Rodrigo
21:38Duterte,
21:39then
21:41that
21:41could
21:42accelerate
21:43extradicting
21:44or moving
21:45Senator
21:46De La
21:46Rosa
21:46to
21:46The
21:47Hague
21:47or
21:47if
21:48declared
21:48the
21:48chief
21:49executive
21:49in
21:50the
21:51Philippines,
21:51specifically
21:52the
21:52Philippine
21:52president
21:53to
21:53move
21:54them
21:54or
21:55move
21:56him
21:56then
21:57if
21:58that's
21:58done
21:58in the
21:59short
21:59term
22:00then
22:00the
22:00movement
22:02of
22:02Senator
22:03Bato
22:03De La
22:04Rosa
22:04to
22:05The
22:05Hague.
22:05Am I
22:05correct
22:06in my
22:06understanding?
22:07Yes,
22:08sir.
22:08That's
22:09a
22:09scenario
22:10wherein
22:10the
22:11Supreme
22:12Court
22:12will
22:12uphold
22:13Section
22:1417
22:14of the
22:15Republic
22:16Act
22:169851
22:17regarding
22:18jurisdiction
22:18because
22:19the
22:20authorities
22:20may
22:20surrender
22:21or
22:21extradrate
22:21the
22:22suspect
22:22to
22:24appropriate
22:24international
22:25court.
22:26So,
22:27it's not a
22:28scenario.
22:29It's not a
22:31scenario that
22:32the
22:33Supreme
22:33Court
22:34will
22:34declare
22:35that
22:35it's not
22:36possible to
22:37an
22:37Article
22:3959
22:40from
22:40Rome
22:41Statute
22:41because
22:42the
22:42issue
22:43is
22:44the
22:45issue
22:46is
22:47based on
22:48the
22:48Rome
22:49Statute.
22:49So,
22:50it's not
22:50consistent.
22:51Kung
22:51ang
22:52nag-issue
22:52sa
22:52warrant
22:53ang
22:53ICC
22:54dapat
22:55ang
22:55matuman
22:56procedure
22:57para
22:57ma-implement
22:58ang
22:58pagdakup
22:59ang
23:00Article
23:0059
23:01So,
23:02depende
23:03na,
23:03matubag
23:04yun
23:04itanan
23:05ang
23:05itong
23:05mga
23:05discussion
23:07ang
23:08makaklaro
23:09yung
23:09tubag
23:10ruling
23:11sa
23:12Supreme
23:12Court.
23:13Sa
23:13karoon,
23:14we could
23:15have
23:15our
23:15educated
23:16guests
23:17and
23:17discussions
23:18pero
23:19ma-expedite
23:21man
23:21na
23:21siya
23:22moto
23:23pananglitan
23:23mo
23:23exhibition
23:24ng
23:24executive
23:25dakop
23:26dakop
23:26sa
23:26kinsa
23:26pa
23:27aside
23:27from
23:28the
23:28one
23:29on
23:30hot
23:30seat
23:30now
23:31kung
23:31dakpo
23:32na
23:32sila
23:32tanan
23:33so
23:34ma-obligar
23:36or justify
23:36ang
23:37executive
23:37department
23:38by
23:39invoking
23:40the
23:409851
23:41Dami
23:42jurisdiction
23:42pwede
23:43man
23:44may
23:45makasurrender
23:46nila
23:46kaya
23:46amo
23:47man
23:47ng
23:47citizen
23:47ma-extradite
23:48man
23:48naman
23:49nila
23:49pwede
23:50man
23:50naman
23:50sila
23:50mapaslak
23:51sa
23:51dahig
23:52pero
23:52on
23:53the
23:53other
23:53side
23:54muingon
23:55yun
23:55itong
23:55mga
23:55gidakop
23:56ang
23:56ilang
23:56mga
23:57lawyers
23:57nga
23:59article
23:5959
24:00ng
24:00atong
24:00pag-anahon
24:01inigdakop
24:02ninyo
24:02that
24:02amin
24:03ninyo
24:03sa
24:03korte
24:03ay
24:04amin
24:04ninyo
24:05i-rush
24:05kaya
24:06naapa
24:07man
24:07may
24:07mga
24:08legal
24:08remedies
24:09na
24:09pwede
24:10pa
24:10matake
24:10up
24:10nga
24:11to
24:11sa
24:11korte
24:12so
24:13I
24:14think
24:14it is
24:15safe
24:15to
24:15say
24:15na
24:16for
24:16now
24:16attorney
24:17even
24:18the
24:19legal
24:19community
24:20is
24:20debating
24:21about
24:21this
24:22so
24:22for
24:22now
24:23it's
24:23going
24:23to
24:24be
24:25more
24:26of
24:26wait
24:26and
24:26see
24:27between
24:28the
24:28action
24:28of
24:29the
24:29executive
24:30the
24:30Philippine
24:31president
24:31or
24:32the
24:32ruling
24:33of
24:34the
24:34Supreme
24:34Court
24:34whether
24:35it's
24:36constitutional
24:36or
24:37not
24:37for
24:37now
24:39nagdekandagan
24:39sa
24:39ni
24:40si
24:40senator
24:40Bato
24:40and
24:41then
24:42kita
24:42po
24:42naglalis
24:43pata
24:43until
24:43either
24:44of
24:45these
24:45two
24:45will
24:45happen
24:46ang
24:47mahitabuan
24:48na sir
24:48kita
24:48nga
24:48mga
24:49observers
24:51wait
24:51and
24:52sita
24:52pero
24:53insofar
24:54as
24:54the
24:54executive
24:55and
24:56the
24:57respondents
24:57are
24:57concerned
24:58they
24:59are
24:59already
24:59building
25:00up
25:00their
25:01respective
25:01arguments
25:02o
25:02kung
25:02siya
25:02ilang
25:02saligan
25:03siyempre
25:04kung
25:04ako'y
25:05apiking
25:05nga
25:06kununununok
25:06naku
25:07moingun
25:08yukog
25:09ato
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25:10sabungon
25:11sa local
25:12courts
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25:14may
25:14article
25:1459
25:15kaya
25:15inaaman
25:15na
25:15niya
25:16kunununok
25:16isisimang
25:17nag-issue
25:17one
25:18so
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25:20amo
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25:22in
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25:23the
25:24executive
25:24or
25:25the
25:25interpol
25:25philippines
25:26may
25:26kunununok
25:27sila
25:27isa-isa
25:28arita
25:28derisa
25:299851
25:30pwede
25:31nakamadakop
25:31na yun
25:32kununan
25:33pwede
25:36nakamadakop
25:37na yun
25:37ang presidente
25:38ganun
25:38sa una
25:38nadakpa
25:39naman
25:39last year
25:40so
25:40mo po
25:40nailang
25:41i-invoke
25:41pero
25:42issue pa
25:43man
25:44ng mga
25:44butanga
25:44before
25:45the
25:45supreme
25:45court
25:45kita
25:46mismo
25:47nga
25:47mga
25:48mga
25:48meron
25:49or
25:50mga
25:50looker
25:50mga
25:51audyens
25:51money
25:52wait
25:53an
25:53sita
25:55sige
25:55i think
25:56that
25:56this is
25:57very
25:57helpful
25:58conversation
25:59attorney
25:59ram
26:00salamat
26:00kayo
26:00sa imong
26:01time
26:01why
26:01isa pa
26:02yan
26:02sir
26:04sige
26:04so
26:05that
26:06was
26:06attorney
26:06am
26:07villagonzalo
26:07no
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26:08accredited
26:09council
26:09who is
26:10also
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26:11in
26:11sabu
26:11now
26:12I'm
26:12moving
26:12to
26:13our
26:13second
26:13story
26:14which
26:14is
26:17legally
26:17connected
26:18also
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26:27a
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26:28disappears
26:29before
26:29dawn
26:30and
26:30who
26:30will
26:31be
26:31held
26:31accountable
26:32the
26:33question
26:33here
26:33which
26:34we
26:34tackled
26:35also
26:35earlier
26:35with
26:36attorney
26:36ram
26:36is
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26:39can
26:40I
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26:44most
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26:53bató
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27:07were
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27:08inside
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27:20so
27:21the
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27:22immediately
27:23sparked
27:23speculation
27:24online
27:24did
27:25the
27:25senator
27:26escape
27:26arrest
27:27or
27:27did
27:27government
27:28institutions
27:28fail to
27:29coordinate
27:29during a
27:31high-risk
27:31operation
27:32de la
27:33rosa
27:34had
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27:53the
28:13Good afternoon. Welcome to Beyond the Headlines. I'm DJ Moises.
28:17Today we discuss an
28:54video.
28:54Today we discuss an
29:12He insisted the Senate itself was under attack during the confrontation, citing the reported warning shots fired during the incident,
29:21but did the Senate exceed its authority by shielding one of its members' arrests and did law enforcement mishandle the
29:31operation?
29:32Or is this exposing deeper crux in how Philippine institutions respond to ICC-related cases?
29:40The NBI has yet to release a full public explanation regarding the exact sequence of events during the attempted operation.
29:48Meanwhile, the La Rosa's whereabouts remain unclear.
29:54So, it was a good conversation earlier with Attorney Rambel.
30:03This is connected also with, this is connected also with, there is also a legal question, no?
30:18And as what we gathered earlier from Attorney Rambel, because even the legal community is still debating about the legality
30:34and the constitutionality of the issue.
30:36So, what we need as of this time to resolve this, if we want to resolve this quickly, is first,
30:47the Philippine president, the chief executive, will give an order to extradict him and move him to The Hague.
30:55Or the Supreme Court's ruling that such move is constitutional.
31:02Other than that, it's a debate.
31:04And so, Senator De La Rosa is still at large, no?
31:08And he's not necessarily, we cannot also officially tag him as a fugitive, no?
31:14Now, with regard to his escape, no?
31:19Or disappearance from the Senate, one of the triggers, dude, about whether it was, so the question now is whether
31:27it was staged or whether the Senate was truly under attack, no?
31:32And the contention here is, number one, the timing of the incident.
31:35Incidentally, Senator De La Rosa surfaced in the Senate after six months of absence when there was a votation that's
31:45needed for a change in leadership, no?
31:48And then, as we know, after the votation, he was already under Senate custody, no?
31:55And then, just when the pressure was mounting to remove him from the Senate premises, he disappeared, no?
32:05So, that's why the timing also of the attack in the Senate were also questioned by people.
32:12But the other side also, why the timing was also right, no?
32:19It's on the other side of the fence, katong mga, katong mga critics of the government, because they also thought
32:27na, kanang, there were accounts mangad, especially of what Senator Aini Marcos said, na, there was a drilling sound that
32:37they heard, no?
32:38From GSIS to the Senate building.
32:41So, if we believe this account, then it looks like there was really an action on who first fired the
32:52shot.
32:53And then, last night, we were already seeing footage na ang surgeon at arms of the Senate actually confirmed na
33:00he fired the first shot.
33:02So, the timings of this incident are also in question, as we see a mounting tension in terms of the
33:12legality of the ICC issue, which we already covered earlier.
33:18And then, the many political, unfortunately, the many political theatrics also that we've been seeing in Philippine politics, that people
33:27are now at a loss of which side is actually telling the truth.
33:31So, in my view now, guys, since politically charged na mangad ni siya, and highly debated na mangad ni siya,
33:39even within the legal community, my suggestion is for us to stay more in touch with this news development, to
33:48be more discerning of our sources, such as Sunstar, for example, and then to form our own opinion.
33:54Now, in my view, both sides as of this time can be correct, and both sides as of this time
34:03can be wrong.
34:05So, akong suggestion, how we process also the information that we receive is if we are on this side, let's
34:11always view also why the other side is correct.
34:14And if we are on this side, let's also view why the other side is correct.
34:20Because as of this time, nobody holds the ruling, whether it's constitutional or not, or whether the Senate was really
34:29under attack, or whether it was sieged.
34:32And in a democracy, all of us are entitled to our own opinions, and that's why we need also to
34:40be more responsible in terms of expressing our opinion, particularly in social media.
34:45Because we might just be contributing to the noise instead of helping provide clarity in this very unclear situation.
34:55So, this incident now leaves more questions than answers, as we know.
35:00Even earlier with our interview with Attorney Ram, who is an ICC-accredited counsel,
35:05there are still various arguments that would support the ICC arrest warrant, and would also dispute the ICC warrant.
35:19So, the question specifically for the so-called escape of Senator De La Rosa is, was this a failure in
35:27coordination?
35:28Was it a breakdown on security, or was it a deeper political, legal standoff involving the institutions that are supposed
35:39to be meant to uphold the law?
35:43As investigations continue, one issue remains central, and that is accountability.
35:49I would recommend for the rest of the viewers to continue to monitor these developments, to be more mindful on
35:57the sources that we get our information from,
36:00and as much as possible, have a discerning and more intelligent process, so able to support once the president decides
36:14on the extradiction or not,
36:16and once the Supreme Court would also issue its ruling, whether it's legal or not.
36:20So, I'm DJ Moises. This is Beyond the Headlines. Have a good afternoon.
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