00:00Provided he doesn't somehow win another one, where do you have him all time?
00:04Meggo, Wiggy, Curtis?
00:07Oh, all time?
00:09I mean, he is.
00:10I have him as the greatest underachiever in the history of the NFL.
00:13Ooh.
00:14That's cool.
00:15That's interesting.
00:16A guy that I think, at his best, is as talented.
00:20Maybe Mahomes slightly edges him out in just natural ability, but he's taller.
00:27Aaron Rodgers, at his best, was about as good as you can play a quarterback.
00:32What, he won four MVPs or something like that?
00:34Yep, and only made Rex Grossman and Aaron Rodgers have won as many NFC championships.
00:40Right.
00:41But, see, that's the thing.
00:42He was hurt by being forced to sit behind Favre for an extended period of time.
00:46I don't think so.
00:48I think it helped him out a little bit, learning from Favre.
00:50But I guess the question—
00:51Learning from Favre?
00:52Well, I mean, just in the room.
00:54Wiggy.
00:54Was that through osmosis?
00:57Favre didn't even, like, look at him.
00:58Right, but I mean, just learning from watching him play and being around my homegrown and
01:04Brett Favre, just picking up that knowledge.
01:05There has to be something you learn from a guy—those guys of that type of status.
01:10The question becomes, how much do you put championships on how great a guy is?
01:16Quarterback, you put a ton.
01:17Well, then that would be like you wouldn't have Dan Marino up there.
01:20Right.
01:21Which I would be like, that would be wrong.
01:23Right?
01:23So, when you're talking about talent, you're talking about a guy that could do, you know,
01:28make every throw, smart quarterback.
01:30I mean, he's got to be in the top 10.
01:32I don't base it based on the fact that he wasn't able to win championships because I think
01:37Dan Marino is one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game.
01:39So, we know who your number one is.
01:41Brady.
01:41You got, right.
01:42So, you have Dan Marino on the list.
01:44Mm-hmm.
01:45You have Mahomes on the list.
01:48I would say Mahomes—is what, top 10?
01:50Yeah.
01:50I would have Mahomes up there.
01:52Okay.
01:52Yeah.
01:53I'd have Joe Montana up there.
01:56With an R.
01:58Mm-hmm.
01:58John Elway I'd have up there.
02:02I would probably, today, I would have Brady, Mahomes, Montana would be my top three.
02:10I don't think Aaron Rodgers—I think Aaron Rodgers is probably back end of the top 10.
02:14I haven't, like, planned this out, but to me, the playoffs, it's just so important.
02:19I mean—
02:20Somewhere on a beach on Waikiki, Shime just jumped up and threw his app into the water
02:26because he said Joe Montana is number three.
02:29Hot take, I know.
02:30Joe Montana, great quarterback.
02:31Yeah.
02:32I'd say he's probably, like, 9 or 10 for me, Aaron Rodgers.
02:36But I gotta be honest, with a lot of these conversations, I—some of it is, like, a respect
02:42factor that I feel I have to give to quarterbacks that I didn't really get to watch a ton of.
02:48Right.
02:48Like, I've seen the highlights, but it's not like I grew up with them top of mind for me.
02:54Like, I just knew their names, and then when I got older, went back and learned more about them.
02:58And then what else do you have with that, right?
03:00So it depends on, do you have the talent around you?
03:03Because you think of Joe Montana, he had arguably one of the greatest wide receivers to ever
03:07play the game.
03:08And then you factor in, look at those defenses he had.
03:12Look at him.
03:12He played with Roger Craig on offense.
03:15Ronnie Lott was on that defense.
03:17I believe Charles Haley was on one of the Super Bowl defenses that Joe Montana won.
03:23Deion Sanders.
03:24Yeah, maybe Deion—did Deion play with Joe Montana?
03:27Or was he Steve Young?
03:29He might have been Steve Young.
03:30But you start to look at the talent, not taking anything away from Joe Montana.
03:33I'm just—when I look at a guy like Dan Marino and maybe playing for, you know, an organization
03:40that—or a team that might not have been as good as the San Francisco 49ers were in the
03:4680s when Montana played.
03:48Do you take into—just really quick, Curtis—do you take into account the eras that these
03:52quarterbacks play in?
03:53Because, like, honestly, don't you think Patrick Mahomes would have very different stats if
04:00he was playing in the early 2000s and getting the crap knocked out of him?
04:05Like, the league is much friendlier to quarterback production now.
04:08Oh, yeah.
04:09And think about Marino's stats.
04:12Right.
04:12I think Marino threw for 5,000 yards in—
04:15Which is insane at that time.
04:16I mean, it's crazy now.
04:19It's really a great season now.
04:21Back then, it's like out of this world.
04:24So can you imagine Dan Marino playing in today's game and how they take care of quarterbacks
04:30and how—that was 1984.
04:33He threw for 5,000 yards.
04:35Then he threw over 4,000 yards one, two, three, four more times in his career.
04:40Curtis, I believe your one true love called Aaron Rodgers the greatest passer in NFL history.
04:49My one true—
04:50Tom Brady.
04:50Tom Brady.
04:51Oh, yeah.
04:51Oh, I agree.
04:53My thing, though, is like—my question for Wiggy—this just popped in my head.
04:57Which is more impressive, the 84 season by Marino, which is unbelievable, or at 44 throwing
05:05for 5,300 yards, the last quarterback to throw over 5,000 yards is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady
05:12at the age of 44 in 2021?
05:14Ah, 84.
05:15Ah, dang it.
05:15Yeah, 84 because of the rules were different.
05:18Like, you could kill quarterbacks.
05:20Super duper.
05:20You could kill receivers.
05:22And, you know, for him to go out there and throw, you know, over 5,000 yards and 48 touchdowns
05:27in that season.
05:27So if Dan Marino played in today's era, the guy might throw 7,000 yards in a season.
05:32This is Brian from Medford.
05:33What's up, Brian?
05:35Thanks for taking my call.
05:37I appreciate it.
05:38I wanted to call about the Montana discussion.
05:42Full disclosure, I'm from San Francisco, so I have bias.
05:46But 8 Pro Bowls, 3-time first-team All-Pro, 2-time NFL MVP, 4 Super Bowls, never threw
05:54an interception in a Super Bowl.
05:55Right.
05:56I'll give you that Brady is number one quarterback of all time.
05:59No argument.
06:00He's the GOAT.
06:01But I struggle to find 8 quarterbacks between him and Montana.
06:06And I know this is something that Shine has made in the past, comment about Montana being
06:10the 10th-less quarterback NFL history.
06:12Yeah.
06:13Oh, yeah.
06:14I mean, Aaron Rodgers, I think, is a mega head, like 9 or 10.
06:18I think that's a fair number.
06:19Where would you put Elway, Greg, in Wiggy?
06:21I would have Elway in there.
06:22Oh, I would have Peyton Manning ahead of Elway.
06:26Just pure talent or execution?
06:30Yeah.
06:31See, remember, Elway played in an...
06:33See, this is where it's interesting, right?
06:35You put Manning ahead of Elway because you're going to probably look at his stats and go,
06:40yeah, his stats were way better than Elway.
06:42But remember, Elway played in an hour where they handed the football off.
06:47They built their teams with the running game first and then the passing game.
06:51And I probably would agree with you.
06:52I'd probably have Manning ahead of Elway.
06:55But, you know, I definitely have Elway in my top 10.
06:58Does it change your feeling about Manning that his last Super Bowl was not really his?
07:03It was like the defense's Super Bowl?
07:05Totally.
07:05Like, because if you just, let's say, I don't know, 20 years from now, somebody who, a kid
07:10who's grown up and never really watched Peyton Manning, the way that I look back at some
07:14of the stats of these quarterbacks and you go, okay, he's got these Super Bowls, but you
07:18don't have the context of, like, he had a noodle arm at that point.
07:21Curtis, where do you have Bart Starr?
07:23You know what?
07:24I have him tied with Brady.
07:26Well, Meg, oh.
07:27Didn't he serve our country?
07:28Is that Staubach?
07:28I don't remember which one of them.
07:30Staubach was a Navy guy.
07:32Went to Navy.
07:33That's right.
07:33He famously knew Bill when Bill's dad was coaching him.
07:36Full jinx scenario here.
07:38Second Roger Staubach mentioned this week on the radio show.
07:41That is true.
07:41That's a problem.
07:43Meg, oh, to help you out on Peyton Manning's noodle arm, I'll give you a little insight.
07:47About to have a sick brag here.
07:49I did play with Peyton Manning.
07:50You played football?
07:52Yeah, I did play with Peyton Manning.
07:53Whoa.
07:53You know, and I don't know if you've ever seen the video, but Brady and Peyton Manning talking
07:57about touchdowns that they've thrown to the same player.
08:02To the same player.
08:03Manning, yes.
08:04There's actually players that they had thrown passes to, both of them that they had dropped.
08:11I dropped passes.
08:12You were on that list.
08:12Yeah, I dropped passes.
08:13What happened?
08:14Yeah, from both Peyton and Tom.
08:16They said they both threw it to you so he would stop talking.
08:18You know what?
08:19Hey, to be on that list is pretty high praise.
08:21It is.
08:22So, Manning, yes, his arm wasn't the strongest thing, but he was extremely accurate.
08:27He didn't have the tightest spiral, but he was extremely, extremely accurate.
08:31And his knowledge of the game and being able to get out of things and get the offense into
08:37really good plays was...
08:39I'm not talking about most of his career.
08:41I'm talking about that final season.
08:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:43The final season, yeah.
08:44But even like his career.
08:46So, I think when you put Manning on that list, even though he might only have the...
08:51Because he has, what, two Super Bowls?
08:53The one, and I agree with you.
08:54One was more because of that defense.
08:57I look at what he was able to do.
08:59That's why I don't really put champions...
09:02I don't hold it to a championship caliber so much.
09:05You wouldn't have Terry Bradshaw on your list, right?
09:07No, because Bradshaw, I wouldn't have him on my top 10 because that Stale Curtain defense
09:13was ridiculous.
09:15Think about the Hall of Famers that were on that defense.
09:17You know?
09:18You're talking about guys like me and Joe Green, Jack Hamm, Jack...
09:23That was your favorite player, Greg?
09:25Jack Lambert.
09:26So, I think, and this is what we always get into the conversation with, does somebody just
09:32become the greatest or are they always ahead of somebody because they have more championships
09:37than them?
09:37All right.
09:38Well, this will be it for Aaron Rodgers.
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