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00:21:39That's his shoes.
00:21:40He pays your cash, so bring it in and get your cash today.
00:21:44I've walked into restaurants and stuff, and they say, hey, that's the super gold man.
00:21:48You wouldn't believe all the chicks he would pick up.
00:21:50Women would come here not to buy jewelry, but just to talk to Officer Terry.
00:21:54He got famous off of it.
00:21:57Yesterday, I had to drive to 25th and Broadway because Officer Terry was there.
00:22:02So I make sure his costume fits him today.
00:22:05So I put my hoodie up, put my gun in my lap.
00:22:10And try to hit every green light so I don't have to stop.
00:22:13If somebody comes up on me, I'm going to shoot them.
00:22:17I'm going to kill them.
00:22:19If somebody tries to come up to the car with a gun in a red light, because you just don't
00:22:23know.
00:22:26The latest numbers from LNPA show an unrelenting number of homicides over the last three years.
00:22:32Louisville is considered the carjacking capital of the state of Kentucky.
00:22:36Louisville was real quaint, but they have two to three times the national average for pretty much all crimes as
00:22:43far as assault, burglary, and robbery.
00:22:47When the murder happened about 15 years ago, this place was really rough.
00:22:54We have guns scattered everywhere.
00:22:56They're loaded, chambered, ready to go.
00:23:00Where there's danger, there's money.
00:23:03Every safe's got a gun.
00:23:05You can just pull it out.
00:23:06This shotgun right here.
00:23:10Yeah, we know how to use them.
00:23:11Rifle right there.
00:23:13This is my son's semi-automatic.
00:23:18It's a neat, dangerous place.
00:23:21It's full of happy, sad people.
00:23:23It's the God's honest truth.
00:23:369-1-1 Operator Walker, where's your emergency?
00:23:39Please, 1435 South 4th Street.
00:23:41My ex-boyfriend is attacking me in my house.
00:23:43Please call me immediately.
00:23:44What's the address?
00:23:461435 South 4th.
00:23:48Please.
00:23:49What's your name?
00:23:50He's Jeffrey Mons.
00:23:51Okay, who is attacking your door?
00:23:53Joey Banis.
00:23:54Is this your next boyfriend?
00:23:55He's in the house.
00:23:56I'm not safe.
00:23:58He's in the house.
00:23:59Trying to bring down the door to the bedroom.
00:24:00Stay on the phone with me.
00:24:02Please.
00:24:07Please hurry.
00:24:09Stay on the phone with me.
00:24:10See a white male, black male?
00:24:12White male, please hurry.
00:24:13Stay on the phone.
00:24:14Stay on the phone with me.
00:24:15I'm giving the police this information.
00:24:17They're driving.
00:24:20Please.
00:24:22They're coming.
00:24:24Is the door locked to the bedroom?
00:24:26The door is locked.
00:24:27I can hear the wood breaking on the door.
00:24:28Okay.
00:24:31Somebody help.
00:24:32I can't get rid of him.
00:24:39Ma'am?
00:24:40Yes, I'm still here.
00:24:42PD's forcing injury right now.
00:24:43Just stay on the line with me.
00:24:44They're coming.
00:24:45They have 1-10-15.
00:24:46They have an arrest.
00:24:47You need to come out.
00:24:47They have arrested him.
00:24:49They have arrested him?
00:24:49Yes, he's 10-15.
00:24:50He is arrested.
00:24:51It's safe?
00:24:52It's safe.
00:24:53They have him in custody.
00:25:08I had really no idea of what we were dealing with, so it was eye-opening for me.
00:25:18My name is Donnie Burbrink, and I run the homicide unit here in Louisville, Kentucky.
00:25:25When this murder happened, the first 48 was filmed in Louisville.
00:25:30It was a show that got sent to multiple different cities throughout the country.
00:25:36Their chance of solving a murder is cut in half.
00:25:39And they would film the entirety of the case.
00:25:43If they don't get a lead within the first 48 hours.
00:25:49So the night that Joey was arrested for domestic violence, it turns out that while he's on his way to
00:25:54the station, he claims to the officer that he had witnessed a murder and that the body was actually buried
00:26:00in the basement.
00:26:01So Joey is brought into the station for questioning by homicide.
00:26:07I guess I'd use the word bizarre on how the events led.
00:26:12He tells us that the house that he was arrested at is where the body is.
00:26:18He tells us that the body is buried in the basement and that Jeff Munt is the one who did
00:26:24it.
00:26:26Like, wow, that's very odd.
00:26:28This guy's telling you this.
00:26:30You kind of got to believe it.
00:26:31And then you've got to go search for it.
00:26:33And that's kind of where this whole thing takes off.
00:26:37And so the first 48 camera crew starts filming the interviews.
00:26:42You're okay with this being recorded, right?
00:26:45This is Detective John Lesher, Louisville Metro Police Homicide Unit.
00:26:49Today's date is June 18th.
00:26:55You told the uniformed officers that you had some information about a homicide that occurred.
00:27:02Yes, my boyfriend had lied somehow and gotten police there and had me arrested for something that I didn't do.
00:27:12What's your motivation today to come forward and tell us about this?
00:27:18I wasn't able to tell anybody in the beginning because, one, I was scared for myself, scared for my family,
00:27:23and I was also in love with this guy.
00:27:26But over the past seven or eight months, one, I no longer love him.
00:27:36And two, somebody's just got to know the truth.
00:27:45Based off of what Joey was telling us, we went to the house on 4th Street.
00:27:53I remember sitting on the stairs with Jeffrey, kind of talking to him.
00:27:57The first 48 was there.
00:27:59I was miked up, and they were filming from the outside.
00:28:10Did he ever go into detail on how he was going to frame you for that?
00:28:15I had no idea.
00:28:17Something wasn't matching up on when I was talking with him.
00:28:24Something wasn't there.
00:28:25And I couldn't put my finger on it.
00:28:27At some point, I was like, hey, can we go down to the station?
00:28:29Just you and I to go down and talk, and that way we can get this on record.
00:28:33So he agreed to go down to the station with me.
00:28:39I've got a pot of coffee going.
00:28:41Oh, great. Thank you.
00:28:43Do you do cream and sugar?
00:28:44No, no, just black.
00:28:45Just black coffee?
00:28:46Just the way I drink it.
00:28:48The first 48 put added pressure on the detective
00:28:50because you didn't want to be the guy on the TV show
00:28:53that couldn't solve your case.
00:28:55Okay, I appreciate that.
00:28:57Thank you so much for your help with the cats.
00:28:59If you were lazy and you weren't doing your job,
00:29:01it wasn't like you could skate on by.
00:29:03There was a camera in your face the entire time.
00:29:05You had to produce.
00:29:07Am I supposed to be facing the property?
00:29:08No, no.
00:29:09They're not even here.
00:29:11Oh, okay.
00:29:11Okay.
00:29:12Detectives had left the door to the interrogation room open wide
00:29:15so the cameraman could film them in their interrogation process.
00:29:22Are you from Louisville?
00:29:23If I'm not supposed to talk to you through, I'm sorry.
00:29:25I'm just...
00:29:27No.
00:29:31Will I be able to get my stuff and feed the cats?
00:29:33Absolutely.
00:29:34We'll get all that stuff taken care of.
00:29:36And I'm sorry for them being so freaked out about the cats.
00:29:39No, man, it's your animals, and no, I do the same thing for my pets.
00:29:45We developed a very good rapport when we were talking initially.
00:29:49Like, we talked about his past, talked about his parents, his cats.
00:29:54After being beaten up, I was so scared for my life, me and my family, my damn cats.
00:29:59He had me convinced that he was a victim of the domestic violence,
00:30:03that he was in an abusive relationship.
00:30:05You're not going to have to live in fear anymore.
00:30:06While I was talking with Jeffrey, the rest of the guys and John were conducting a search
00:30:12of the residence to include the basement.
00:30:16Joseph Bannis described to us where the body was
00:30:20and had actually made us a map of the downstairs basement.
00:30:28Let's talk about the basement.
00:30:30What was stored down there?
00:30:31Garbage.
00:30:32I mean, it's from the prior owner of the house.
00:30:35He said right in the middle of the room.
00:30:41Is that loose dirt right there?
00:31:00We begin digging in the area where Mr. Bannis had told us the ground was disturbed.
00:31:30We literally had to dig with shovels in this basement.
00:31:37It wasn't something that they could just kind of scrape off a little bit of dirt
00:31:41and pop open a trunk.
00:31:42It was a hole dug six to eight feet deep.
00:31:45I mean, it was a deep hole.
00:31:46Oh!
00:31:52When you've been in homicide for a little while, you know the smell of death.
00:31:56And in that time, we smelled death.
00:32:11One step at a time.
00:32:16This is going to be taken to the medical examiner's office
00:32:19where the seal will be broken, the lid will come off,
00:32:21and we will then, at that time, find out what is actually inside.
00:32:30The coroner has confirmed James Carroll was the man found dead.
00:32:34Police say James Carroll was murdered and buried in a basement of...
00:32:37Jamie Carroll was found crammed into a Rubbermaid container,
00:32:41buried in the basement of the home in June.
00:32:50Jamie Carroll usually told people his home was Martin,
00:32:54a small town deep in the heart of coal country
00:32:57with a population of well under 1,000.
00:33:00It had the air of so many small towns across the country
00:33:04where downtown struggled and few people strolled the streets.
00:33:09Jamie looked like a young Mikhail Baryshnikov,
00:33:13and Mikhail Baryshnikov was my crush back in the day.
00:33:18I'm originally from Martin, Kentucky.
00:33:22Martin is a very unique and depressing place.
00:33:26It actually started out as a coal mining town,
00:33:28and then all of the coal mining jobs and that industry dried up,
00:33:33so you had a lot of people who had no prospects or no hope for a future there.
00:33:38It was very religious.
00:33:41In some churches, they still handle snakes.
00:33:46Your best shot of being a success from there is to leave there.
00:33:52My grandmother had a house that was right behind Martin Elementary School,
00:33:56and I used to like to break into the school after hours.
00:33:59And I noticed Jamie was hanging around the school more.
00:34:04And so I started hanging around with him,
00:34:07and for a couple of days we played
00:34:10and got to notice that he never really went home.
00:34:13And my teacher said that he had ran away from home.
00:34:17And so he actually was living at the school.
00:34:22So we spent a lot of time after school playing
00:34:26and getting to know each other better.
00:34:29Had never kissed anyone, and he told me it's really simple.
00:34:33I'm going to put my tongue in your mouth.
00:34:34And I was like, oh, no!
00:34:36And he's like, trust me, this is how it's done.
00:34:39And, of course, I fell in love with him
00:34:40because, you know, he was gorgeous for that age.
00:34:43He had perfect skin and just blonde.
00:34:46He was beautiful.
00:34:48But he had to set me straight that that wasn't...
00:34:52Well, he set me straight.
00:34:53He wasn't straight.
00:34:55And at that time I really wasn't quite sure what that meant,
00:35:00but it was no big deal because we were friends.
00:35:04And then I remember our teacher telling us
00:35:09that Jamie was in the hospital
00:35:13and that his dad had beaten him almost to death,
00:35:17and they didn't know if he was going to make it or not.
00:35:21From what we gathered, he was beaten because he was gay.
00:35:28It was heartbreaking.
00:35:48He could cut hair like nobody.
00:35:52He had the gift of gab.
00:35:54He could talk to anybody.
00:35:59James was in one of my first classes.
00:36:02Chris, what year was it?
00:36:05Um, gosh, 96.
00:36:09See, my bad.
00:36:1095, 96.
00:36:11I think I graduated in 96.
00:36:13Okay.
00:36:1495.
00:36:1495.
00:36:17When he finished his class and we graduated him
00:36:21and I took him to state board, he said,
00:36:24Miss Owens, I'm having a Bahama mama.
00:36:27I don't know what a Bahama mama is,
00:36:30but evidently James knew well what they were.
00:36:33And I said, no, you're not.
00:36:35He said, yes, I am.
00:36:37I'm having it.
00:36:39And then after he finished that,
00:36:40he says, I'm having another Bahama mama.
00:36:43So he had two.
00:36:48I remember he had a place called Illusions by James.
00:36:53And it was over in Rock City.
00:36:56Was it over in Rock City?
00:36:58We're all through.
00:37:00Illusions?
00:37:00Uh-huh.
00:37:00Well, he thought it was down here on the corner.
00:37:02It's 924.
00:37:03Is that what you said?
00:37:04We're 928.
00:37:05So it hasn't been on the corner.
00:37:07It was down here on the corner.
00:37:10It was nice.
00:37:11He always had it all decked out.
00:37:13The hair salon, the nails, the pedicures, tan in bed.
00:37:17He usually had the whole works.
00:37:19It was his illusion, I guess.
00:37:20It was what he wanted life to be perfect was.
00:37:23And that's when you walked in, it was perfect.
00:37:24It was nothing out of place.
00:37:26Marilyn Monroe posters.
00:37:27And this was his illusion of a happy life
00:37:31to where everybody accepted him like it was.
00:37:33And he was just happy.
00:37:34That was his center where family came to,
00:37:37his friends came to,
00:37:38kids come in and get free haircuts before school.
00:37:40It was everything to him.
00:37:43He had a salon.
00:37:44His salon was a block from mine.
00:37:46I think all of us back then were hairdressers.
00:37:50I think that's all we knew to do.
00:37:52We could beat wigs and beat some hair
00:37:53and throw some makeup on better than most women in that area.
00:37:59For a long time, I cut Jamie's hair, you know,
00:38:01because he kept it, he was so fanatical about his hair.
00:38:05He kept it trimmed.
00:38:06He kept it highlighted.
00:38:08He kept it just, everything had to be perfect.
00:38:11It had to be coiffed just right.
00:38:13And if it wasn't, you heard about it.
00:38:16But he loved to do wigs, loved to do hair,
00:38:21but could beat a hairline and a wig that was phenomenal,
00:38:25you know, and melt it down with the blow dryer and the hairspray.
00:38:29Teasing, I couldn't do all that.
00:38:32He was, he was great at what he did.
00:38:35No, he could have done makeup for the movie stars.
00:38:37Like, he was good.
00:38:38There was no flaw in anything that he'd done.
00:38:43The first time I ever had a real
00:38:47rememberable experience was this blonde woman came in
00:38:49and she was beautiful.
00:38:52And I was sitting at a table, you know, 15-year-old,
00:38:55and I was trying to flirt with her.
00:38:56And I was like, hey, you know, I can make you feel 15 again.
00:38:59I mean, I was trying my best to throw everything I had at this girl.
00:39:02And she just kept telling me, you know,
00:39:04no, you can't handle this or no, you don't want this.
00:39:07And she pulled out her ID and it was Jamie.
00:39:09Jamie, my heart hit the floor.
00:39:12Made me think about my sexuality at a young, young age.
00:39:15I mean...
00:39:18To watch her perform was breathtaking.
00:39:23It was phenomenal to watch her do it
00:39:26because I'd never seen somebody move like Jamie did.
00:39:32She would do back flips, handstands,
00:39:36hair tossing.
00:39:39And didn't care.
00:39:40If the hair fell off while she was on stage,
00:39:41it didn't matter.
00:39:48Absolutely amazing
00:39:50how he can make...
00:39:51turn himself into that woman.
00:39:55I mean, would have breasts.
00:39:57I mean, and...
00:39:59just with the makeup,
00:40:00the contouring,
00:40:01and all this and that,
00:40:03it just looked like a woman.
00:40:10Jamie did whatever the hell suited him, you know.
00:40:12He would wear high heels to the grocery store
00:40:14in Pikeville.
00:40:16You just don't do that.
00:40:21Because it's country.
00:40:23Have you been?
00:40:25Don't go alone and the banjos get louder.
00:40:28That's all I can say.
00:40:33Jamie hated not being able to be out
00:40:35in the lights in the city.
00:40:37But Jamie drove to Louisville
00:40:38to fly his trade.
00:40:44Typical Thursday.
00:40:46Out with the girl.
00:40:47Party, bud.
00:40:48Let's go!
00:40:51Come on, Charlie's Angels.
00:40:53Okay.
00:40:54I mean, you have the hair for her.
00:40:55I don't have the hair for her right now, girl.
00:40:57Girl, I refuse.
00:40:57I'm Herman Diaz.
00:40:59Girl, I feel like Miranda
00:41:00from Sex and the City.
00:41:01Wow.
00:41:04The gay community in general
00:41:05is just small,
00:41:05but in Louisville,
00:41:07it's even smaller,
00:41:08so everybody knows each other.
00:41:10So you can imagine
00:41:11what it was like
00:41:13when a dead body
00:41:15was found in the basement
00:41:16of a gay couple's house.
00:41:18So anyway,
00:41:19so he went crazy
00:41:20and ended up killing
00:41:21the guy that they hooked up with.
00:41:22Then he buried the guy
00:41:24in a bathtub in the basement.
00:41:26And...
00:41:27Girl!
00:41:29Joy's the show!
00:41:31Rock and roll,
00:41:32badass,
00:41:33big as hard.
00:41:34Yeah!
00:41:35I found out the whole story
00:41:36because the drag community
00:41:37loves to talk.
00:41:38I think I heard it
00:41:39from Hurricane,
00:41:39my drag mom,
00:41:40and like all the gory details.
00:41:42And then they were like,
00:41:43you know this guy?
00:41:44Yeah, this was the guy.
00:41:45I was like, oh my God,
00:41:45I know him.
00:41:46Like I worked with him.
00:41:48I did know Joey Banas,
00:41:50met him when he was bartending
00:41:52at one of the bars.
00:41:53And I found it fascinating.
00:41:56He really couldn't
00:41:57be bothered with me.
00:41:58I was just a crazy little drag queen
00:42:00from down the street, so...
00:42:02Yeah!
00:42:04When Joey would come
00:42:05in the bar,
00:42:06he would be very reserved,
00:42:08very soft-spoken.
00:42:09Two hours later,
00:42:10shirt was off,
00:42:11tattoos were out,
00:42:12Mohawk was up,
00:42:13just rolling through the bar.
00:42:15Joey was that punk,
00:42:17edgy, club kid kind of guy.
00:42:20Some people dressed the part,
00:42:22he owned it, you know?
00:42:23This is me,
00:42:24this is who I am,
00:42:26you know, eat me,
00:42:27whatever.
00:42:28He was that type of guy.
00:42:30He just...
00:42:32Boom.
00:42:32Remember he had a Mohawk?
00:42:34I believe it was colored.
00:42:35And it kind of figures.
00:42:38And I mean,
00:42:39he was an attractive guy.
00:42:40He wasn't ugly at all.
00:42:42He never caused any problems.
00:42:44He was never angry or mean
00:42:45or anything towards anybody
00:42:46that I saw anyway.
00:42:48But I knew
00:42:49that he was also
00:42:50into meth and stuff.
00:42:54At the end of the night,
00:42:55he was a voracious cleaner.
00:42:58Joey would stay there
00:43:00for hours afterwards,
00:43:01cleaning.
00:43:02You know,
00:43:02like compulsive almost.
00:43:04There was anything on the floor,
00:43:06he would be down on the floor,
00:43:07hands on knees,
00:43:08scrubbing it.
00:43:09Later on,
00:43:09I figured that was part of the drugs.
00:43:10I remember,
00:43:12because I used to stay after,
00:43:13like, the bars would shut down.
00:43:15He was loading up boxes of liquor.
00:43:17I said,
00:43:18what are you doing?
00:43:19He said,
00:43:19I'm going down to my other job.
00:43:21I said,
00:43:22do they own both bars?
00:43:23He said, no.
00:43:24So you're taking the liquor
00:43:25from here
00:43:25and going down there?
00:43:26Yeah.
00:43:29Okay, bye.
00:43:30You know?
00:43:32One night,
00:43:33my boss and I came in the bar
00:43:34and he just kind of
00:43:34had a really shocked look
00:43:36on his face.
00:43:36All of our top shelf liquor
00:43:38was gone.
00:43:39Our ATM was open.
00:43:40It was emptied out.
00:43:41The safe was empty.
00:43:42There were speakers
00:43:43gone off the wall.
00:43:44I mean,
00:43:45we had really been cleaned out.
00:43:47And then we started hearing
00:43:48rumblings that Joey
00:43:49was going to open
00:43:50another bar in town.
00:43:52And we never saw Joey again.
00:43:57Glow was Joey's club.
00:43:59I guess he got tired
00:44:00of being just a bartender.
00:44:02He wanted his vision
00:44:03to shine through,
00:44:04so he decided to open Glow.
00:44:06Which kind of confused us
00:44:07because we knew
00:44:08that Joey had been in prison
00:44:09before.
00:44:09He had been convicted
00:44:10of a felony.
00:44:11You can't hold
00:44:12a liquor license
00:44:13in Kentucky
00:44:13under those circumstances.
00:44:16My name is Daniel Sissel.
00:44:20I was in high school,
00:44:21so I was about 16, 17
00:44:22when I first met him,
00:44:23I think.
00:44:27I had, like,
00:44:27a little crush on Joey.
00:44:30I hooked up with Joey
00:44:31in the bar.
00:44:34And then I stuck around
00:44:37for a little bit,
00:44:37worked the bar.
00:44:39I shouldn't have been there.
00:44:42He knew how old I was.
00:44:49I think he opened
00:44:50on New Year's Eve, 2006,
00:44:53and, you know,
00:44:54people took pictures
00:44:55and we could see
00:44:55that the speakers
00:44:56that were stolen
00:44:57off our walls
00:44:58were ours.
00:45:01I spent a lot of time
00:45:02in that bar every night
00:45:04painting it a different color.
00:45:07He basically
00:45:08would lock us in
00:45:10and we would be
00:45:11stranded there
00:45:12because he would say
00:45:13he was coming back
00:45:13and he never would
00:45:14come back.
00:45:16He was a nice boss.
00:45:19He had, like,
00:45:19a little case
00:45:20that he would carry around
00:45:22that had, like,
00:45:22full of different drugs
00:45:24and stuff.
00:45:24And he was very,
00:45:25very nice about it,
00:45:26like, very generous
00:45:27when it came to
00:45:28giving away his drugs.
00:45:31But he, like,
00:45:33he had a problem
00:45:33with, like,
00:45:34paying employees on time.
00:45:37Was short-lived, I guess.
00:45:39Joey was sort of
00:45:40going off the rails
00:45:40at that point.
00:45:44My boss
00:45:45did go to the police
00:45:46about it
00:45:46and they said
00:45:47they were trying
00:45:48to build a case
00:45:49against Joey.
00:45:50They knew that he was
00:45:51dealing drugs.
00:45:53They knew that
00:45:54he had stolen things
00:45:55and they told us
00:45:56to just kind of
00:45:57sit on it
00:45:59and, you know,
00:45:59and wait.
00:46:01So that's what we did.
00:46:09You have the right
00:46:09to remain silent.
00:46:11Anything you say
00:46:11can and will be used
00:46:12against you
00:46:13in a court of law.
00:46:13You understand your rights?
00:46:15Yes.
00:46:15I still want to be able
00:46:17to talk to my dad
00:46:18and get an attorney.
00:46:19At this point,
00:46:20it's the next day.
00:46:22And I really should have
00:46:23already been bonded out
00:46:24or something
00:46:27should have happened.
00:46:28Do you see
00:46:29how muddy I am?
00:46:31Yeah.
00:46:32Okay.
00:46:32What you told me?
00:46:34Mm-hmm.
00:46:35I just went
00:46:36and dug a body
00:46:37up out of that basement.
00:46:39Okay?
00:46:40Just like I told you.
00:46:41I just got done.
00:46:43I've had nothing to eat.
00:46:46I've had nothing to drink.
00:46:48I was in a hot,
00:46:49sweaty basement
00:46:50since 2 o'clock
00:46:51in the morning.
00:46:52It is now 10 a.m.
00:46:53in the morning.
00:46:54digging up
00:46:56a body
00:46:57in the basement.
00:46:59So at this time,
00:47:00are you willing
00:47:02to talk to me?
00:47:03I don't want to speak
00:47:04to anybody
00:47:04until I've spoken
00:47:05to a lawyer.
00:47:06Okay.
00:47:07I mean,
00:47:07everything I told you
00:47:08panned out, correct?
00:47:11We're with the
00:47:12homicide unit,
00:47:13okay, obviously.
00:47:14And you kind of
00:47:15put two and two together,
00:47:16okay?
00:47:17Jesus Christ.
00:47:19Take your time.
00:47:22Can you tell me
00:47:22whether there's somebody
00:47:23right in my house?
00:47:25There is.
00:47:25Oh, my God.
00:47:31Do you know who it is?
00:47:33Uh, we have an idea
00:47:34who it is.
00:47:44Oh, my God,
00:47:50would you be willing
00:47:51to take a polygraph
00:47:52from one of our
00:47:52polygraph, uh,
00:47:54Yeah, I mean,
00:47:54I'm, I mean,
00:47:55I don't have anything
00:47:56to hide.
00:47:57Okay, we'll walk
00:47:58right over here.
00:47:58Should I value?
00:47:59Yes, sir.
00:48:00Oh.
00:48:01In the first 48 show,
00:48:03we walk out of the room
00:48:05to the polygraph station.
00:48:07He has this smirk
00:48:08on his face.
00:48:11And I didn't notice it
00:48:12because I was in front of him.
00:48:14Looking back at it,
00:48:16it was just,
00:48:16just kind of eerie on it.
00:48:19Jeff, my name is Mark Bratcher.
00:48:20I'm one of the three polygraphers.
00:48:21You have to understand today
00:48:22that this is very important,
00:48:24okay?
00:48:25You're here to clear your name.
00:48:26Monk agreed to do a polygraph.
00:48:29So the polygrapher at the time
00:48:31did, you know,
00:48:32pre-polygraph interview.
00:48:35I'm out in the room there with him.
00:48:36I'm watching it from a TV
00:48:38from the room next to him.
00:48:39But the first 48 camera crew
00:48:41is right there
00:48:41and they're filming him.
00:48:42I'm just going to ask you,
00:48:43did you kill somebody?
00:48:46To murder somebody,
00:48:47is not something
00:48:49I could ever even
00:48:50contemplate doing.
00:48:51Monk kind of gets
00:48:52wishy-washy
00:48:53and so the polygrapher says,
00:48:55look,
00:48:56if you're on the fence,
00:48:56you're going to fail this miserably.
00:48:57You're not going to pass this test.
00:48:59So if I ask you
00:49:00if you knew anything
00:49:00about this case,
00:49:01my answer would have to be yes.
00:49:03I did know something
00:49:03about murder.
00:49:07I was shocked.
00:49:08I just got duped
00:49:09for the last six hours.
00:49:11Like, oh my gosh.
00:49:13Who is this guy?
00:49:14Who is this guy?
00:49:23Jeff really believed
00:49:25that he was the smartest person
00:49:26in the room
00:49:26and that he was able
00:49:28to outmaneuver,
00:49:30outthink,
00:49:32outstrategize
00:49:32anyone in the room.
00:49:35He was my project director
00:49:37at Northwestern
00:49:38from 2006 to 2008.
00:49:41We were on the project cafe
00:49:43at Northwestern,
00:49:44which was Comprehensive Access
00:49:46to Financials for the Enterprise,
00:49:49as named by Jeff Munt.
00:49:52Jeff was a little bit feared
00:49:54as a boss.
00:49:56Had a little bit of a temper.
00:49:58He had a certain way
00:49:59he wanted things done.
00:50:03Jeff wouldn't accept any reports
00:50:04that were not done
00:50:05in 14-point Garamond font.
00:50:08If he was having a bad day,
00:50:11if something had not gone his way,
00:50:13you could hear really loud
00:50:17metal music coming out of his office.
00:50:23So you knew not to approach.
00:50:25Jeff did speak with a British accent
00:50:28the entire time
00:50:29that I knew him on the project.
00:50:31He would say,
00:50:32top of the morning to you.
00:50:34And after we got to know each other
00:50:36for a while,
00:50:37I said,
00:50:37Jeff,
00:50:38did you grow up in the UK?
00:50:39Did you go to school in Britain?
00:50:42And he said,
00:50:43no,
00:50:43I feel like people give me
00:50:46better respect
00:50:47if I speak with an accent.
00:50:50I remember on a Thursday night,
00:50:52I had locked my laptop to my desk.
00:50:54So went around the office
00:50:56to try and find
00:50:57just anyone
00:50:59to help me out.
00:51:00And Jeff was one
00:51:01of the few people
00:51:02still in the office.
00:51:04He immediately said,
00:51:05Becky,
00:51:05I know just what to do.
00:51:07He grabbed his keys.
00:51:08And so we rode in Jeff's car,
00:51:10went to the hardware store.
00:51:12Like,
00:51:12what are we doing, Jeff?
00:51:13He said,
00:51:14we have to get bolt cutters.
00:51:15I said,
00:51:16Jeff,
00:51:16why do you think this will work?
00:51:18He said,
00:51:19well,
00:51:19I used to steal bikes
00:51:21in college,
00:51:22and this is what we would use.
00:51:24I expensed them in
00:51:26to the university.
00:51:28He had told me
00:51:28to expense them in.
00:51:30And then he didn't even approve
00:51:31my expense report.
00:51:32He said,
00:51:33you can't just expense
00:51:35in bolt cutters.
00:51:36You need to hide that.
00:51:37And I said,
00:51:38want me to,
00:51:39to lie on my expense report?
00:51:41He said,
00:51:42I would never say that.
00:51:47Jeff was still in Chicago
00:51:48when we met.
00:51:49We were at a conference
00:51:50and we chatted.
00:51:52He said he always wanted to come,
00:51:54live back in Louisville
00:51:55because he grew up here
00:51:56and I found out
00:51:57he grew up in the same area
00:51:59of town I grew up.
00:52:00So he became the consultant
00:52:02on a big project
00:52:03I was working on
00:52:04at the University of Louisville
00:52:05and we just struck up
00:52:08a good friendship
00:52:08from there on.
00:52:10He mentioned that he had
00:52:12broken up with his boyfriend
00:52:13in Chicago
00:52:15and then I think
00:52:16the breakup
00:52:17was part of why
00:52:18he wanted to move
00:52:19back to Louisville.
00:52:25In 2008,
00:52:26Jeffrey bought the house
00:52:27on 4th Street
00:52:28with hopes of turning it
00:52:29into a bed and breakfast.
00:52:32He bought the house,
00:52:34he wanted to fix it up.
00:52:35He bragged about
00:52:36restoring it back
00:52:37to its original state.
00:52:41He sent me an email
00:52:42and said I bought
00:52:43this big place
00:52:44in Old Louisville
00:52:45and I got big plans
00:52:46for it, yada, yada, yada.
00:52:48I'm Curtis Hoard.
00:52:51I'm a preservation architect
00:52:53and builder
00:52:54here in Old Louisville.
00:52:56His vision was
00:52:58to have it museum restored
00:52:59and to have his big,
00:53:01you know,
00:53:02Victorian mansion showpiece.
00:53:03That's what you do here
00:53:05in the gay community.
00:53:06You move to Old Louisville
00:53:07you get a big mansion showpiece
00:53:10and boom, you've arrived.
00:53:12He spent a lot
00:53:13on his clothes
00:53:14and everything.
00:53:15I mean, he was preppy.
00:53:18He's always really,
00:53:19really nicely dressed.
00:53:20Now he's always
00:53:21going to make sure
00:53:22he's wearing something
00:53:22to show off.
00:53:23Like, I don't know,
00:53:25really uninspired,
00:53:26like $300 shoes.
00:53:29Oh, he was big
00:53:30with the money.
00:53:31Always wanted his money.
00:53:35He drove a BMW.
00:53:37He liked the craft beers.
00:53:39He's definitely not a bug,
00:53:40but yeah.
00:53:42And he always come in
00:53:44with his expensive bottle
00:53:45of water.
00:53:46Boss.
00:53:48We used to laugh
00:53:49about that.
00:53:49He had his expensive
00:53:50bottle of water.
00:54:04That looks like a water bottle
00:54:06from our house.
00:54:13Did you ever watch
00:54:14Willy Wonka?
00:54:15And you get that golden ticket?
00:54:17Look, this is Jeff's
00:54:20golden ticket right here,
00:54:21okay?
00:54:22That's your golden ticket
00:54:23and Willy Wonka
00:54:25just gave that to you.
00:54:26I want you to look
00:54:27at that yellow piece of paper.
00:54:29I want you to imagine
00:54:30that's a golden ticket.
00:54:31And I need you
00:54:34to be totally honest
00:54:35with me, okay?
00:54:35Because you know
00:54:38what happened.
00:54:39Hear me out, okay?
00:54:41You know what happened.
00:54:43And I mean,
00:54:44we need to know
00:54:45the details
00:54:46of that night.
00:54:47Right.
00:54:48You know?
00:54:56You ready to...
00:54:57Yeah, and as much detail
00:54:58as you can, okay?
00:55:00All right.
00:55:03Joey had a friend
00:55:04from Lexington
00:55:04the night once before.
00:55:05At least I think
00:55:06he was from Lexington
00:55:07and thereabouts.
00:55:08His version of the story
00:55:10mirrored up almost identical
00:55:12to what Joey had told us.
00:55:14Jeffrey wanted to get
00:55:16some drugs,
00:55:17so he invited Jamie
00:55:19over to the house.
00:55:21Joey wanted to party
00:55:22to do drugs.
00:55:24It's not something
00:55:24I would typically do.
00:55:26Before I knew it,
00:55:27Jeffrey stabbed Jamie.
00:55:29Joey had a knife in his hand
00:55:30and cut the guy's throat.
00:55:32I was scared for myself,
00:55:34scared for my family.
00:55:35I was so scared
00:55:36for my life,
00:55:37me and my family,
00:55:38my damn cats.
00:55:39I'm not the one
00:55:40who killed anybody.
00:55:41I'm not a murderer.
00:55:42You can point your fingers
00:55:44at each other all day long.
00:55:46Who are we believing?
00:55:51I'm not purposely
00:55:52making things out.
00:55:53I have tried to forget this
00:55:54and I was given drugs
00:55:55and when I don't
00:55:56normally take drugs.
00:55:57You've talked
00:55:57all night long
00:55:59in a big circle.
00:56:00Not once
00:56:00have you manned up
00:56:01and said,
00:56:03yes,
00:56:04we did it.
00:56:05You brought him over there
00:56:07to rob him for his money,
00:56:09to rob him for his dope
00:56:10because nobody
00:56:11would give a shit about him.
00:56:12I did not do this.
00:56:14Okay.
00:56:15I did not know
00:56:15what had been planned
00:56:16until it happened.
00:56:18You are charged
00:56:19with robbery,
00:56:20murder,
00:56:21and tampering
00:56:22with physical evidence.
00:56:23You're going to be charged
00:56:23with murder,
00:56:25tampering with physical evidence,
00:56:26a law firm imprisonment.
00:56:29Stand up.
00:56:30Put your hands together
00:56:31like you're praying here,
00:56:31okay?
00:56:32Sure.
00:56:34Two men
00:56:35in a romantic relationship
00:56:36are arrested for murder
00:56:37after police find a body
00:56:38buried in an old
00:56:39Louisville basement.
00:56:40The tale of a love triangle
00:56:42and grisly murder
00:56:43Joseph Bainus
00:56:44and Jeffrey Munt
00:56:44were arrested
00:56:45for killing a man.
00:56:46...stabbed,
00:56:47shot,
00:56:47and tied up
00:56:48inside a 50-gallon
00:56:49rubbermaid tub.
00:56:49Both men are charged
00:56:50with burying the container
00:56:51in the basement,
00:56:52which took six months
00:56:53to find.
00:56:54Jamie Carroll died
00:56:55while all three
00:56:56were in a bedroom
00:56:57of Munt's home
00:56:57on 4th Street.
00:56:59Two days
00:57:00after they found
00:57:01Jamie's body
00:57:01in the basement
00:57:02of the home
00:57:03on South 4th Street,
00:57:04Dale and Bill
00:57:05held a pride-related
00:57:07fundraiser
00:57:07on South 3rd Street.
00:57:09A mane of white hair
00:57:11swept back
00:57:11from his forehead.
00:57:12Dale smiled
00:57:14and reached out a hand
00:57:15as I approached.
00:57:17When I first heard
00:57:18about the murder,
00:57:20we went to a party
00:57:21at a house
00:57:22on 4th Street,
00:57:22and that's all
00:57:23we really talked about.
00:57:25You did come.
00:57:27I stayed awake
00:57:28long enough
00:57:29to see you,
00:57:30my love.
00:57:31Hi.
00:57:32There we go.
00:57:33Murder was not
00:57:34something we were
00:57:35accustomed to.
00:57:36Cheers.
00:57:37Welcome, everyone.
00:57:38And the fact that
00:57:39it had happened
00:57:40right at the beginning
00:57:42of Pride Week
00:57:42and being as close
00:57:44as it was,
00:57:45you know,
00:57:45just a block
00:57:46or two away,
00:57:47it was really difficult
00:57:48to deal with.
00:57:50It was kind of
00:57:51an embarrassment,
00:57:52you know,
00:57:52for the neighborhood
00:57:53and for Louisville
00:57:55and gay men
00:57:56too.
00:57:57Oh, of course.
00:57:58Yeah, it's just
00:57:59a block and a half
00:58:00away.
00:58:00Yes, everyone
00:58:01knew about it.
00:58:03Hey, Dana.
00:58:03Everyone knew
00:58:04about it,
00:58:06but it was not
00:58:07common knowledge
00:58:07who the men
00:58:08were who lived there.
00:58:10They were pretty
00:58:11much according
00:58:12to local lore,
00:58:14ghost-like.
00:58:17Nobody ever saw them.
00:58:18It didn't look
00:58:19occupied.
00:58:22All I knew
00:58:22was that
00:58:23one of the people
00:58:24involved
00:58:25was the son.
00:58:27I'm a cosmetic surgeon.
00:58:29I've never gone to him.
00:58:30Maybe I should think
00:58:31about it,
00:58:31but Dr. Banas
00:58:32is very, very well-known
00:58:34in Louisville.
00:58:35One of the really
00:58:36bizarre conversations
00:58:37we had is,
00:58:38well, what would you do
00:58:40with a body
00:58:41after you killed it?
00:58:43I heard that the body
00:58:45had been cut up,
00:58:46just put in a container.
00:58:50The bartender
00:58:51was a local EMT,
00:58:53and he was involved
00:58:55with transporting
00:58:56the body to the morgue.
00:58:58He had actually been
00:58:59kind of folded up
00:59:00and hog-tied.
00:59:04You can think
00:59:06you know what you do
00:59:07in a situation like that,
00:59:09and you don't do that,
00:59:10but there's no way
00:59:12I would have dismembered
00:59:13the thing.
00:59:16When I moved in
00:59:17across the street,
00:59:19I didn't know
00:59:20about the murder house,
00:59:21and I said,
00:59:22there's something
00:59:23really odd about that house.
00:59:24Is it haunted?
00:59:26I'm Angelique X. Stacey,
00:59:29and I am a medium.
00:59:31Yeah, you know.
00:59:33Usually, I don't tell folks
00:59:34because you don't walk around
00:59:36telling your friends,
00:59:37I see dead people,
00:59:38and most of my friends are,
00:59:39so...
00:59:40it turns out 1435
00:59:44had been a sanatorium.
00:59:47From about the early 1920s
00:59:49to, like, the late 30s,
00:59:51a sadistic doctor,
00:59:52Dr. Stanley Bandeen,
00:59:54used to experiment
00:59:55on his patients.
00:59:57He would take them down
00:59:58to the basement area.
01:00:00He would inject them,
01:00:02and then he liked
01:00:03to tell these folks,
01:00:04hey, you're dying,
01:00:05and see all the shock
01:00:06and horror on their face.
01:00:08And then Pauline,
01:00:10the local nurse,
01:00:11Miss Boren,
01:00:12bought it in around 1961.
01:00:17She moved into it
01:00:18with her daughter,
01:00:19and they opened it up
01:00:20as a boarding house.
01:00:22Unfortunately,
01:00:23one of her boarders
01:00:24came after her
01:00:25with a hammer,
01:00:26and she later on died
01:00:28as a result
01:00:29of those injuries.
01:00:32Then I started hearing
01:00:33from my neighbors
01:00:34that somebody dies
01:00:35every couple of years
01:00:37around it,
01:00:38so, yeah,
01:00:39that seemed quite a lot
01:00:40over there.
01:00:44Oh, I love this paragraph.
01:00:46Who would want
01:00:47to buy a home
01:00:48where such grisly murder
01:00:50had taken place?
01:00:53Some thought it better
01:00:54to bulldoze the whole place.
01:00:57For the time being, though,
01:01:001435 South Ford Street
01:01:02sat abandoned.
01:01:14Nearly three years
01:01:15after a man was found dead,
01:01:17stuffed in a plastic bin,
01:01:18a love triangle,
01:01:19gone bad.
01:01:20Joseph Benes is on trial
01:01:21for the 2009 murder
01:01:22of James Carroll.
01:01:23His body was down here.
01:01:24His body was left to rock.
01:01:25Benes could get
01:01:26the death penalty
01:01:26if he's convicted.
01:01:28The body in the basement trial.
01:01:30There are some trials
01:01:31that stick with you,
01:01:34and this is one of them.
01:01:35It was definitely
01:01:36a big story.
01:01:37Every single station
01:01:39had a reporter on it.
01:01:41Joseph Benes
01:01:41is actually facing
01:01:42the death penalty.
01:01:43Benes' attorney
01:01:44is trying to prove
01:01:45that it was Montu
01:01:47who killed Carol.
01:01:47Not only did you have
01:01:48this sensational case,
01:01:49but the lawyers involved
01:01:51are all interesting.
01:01:52There was a lot of
01:01:53star power in a way.
01:01:56This was a death penalty case.
01:01:58They actually were
01:02:00seeking to execute
01:02:02our client,
01:02:03so the stakes
01:02:05could not have been
01:02:05any higher.
01:02:07Jeff was a very
01:02:09intelligent,
01:02:10well-educated,
01:02:11successful professional.
01:02:13He's never been in trouble.
01:02:15In 40 years,
01:02:17he meets Joey,
01:02:18and six weeks later,
01:02:19he's got a body
01:02:19in his basement.
01:02:20We don't often find
01:02:22bodies buried in basements.
01:02:24By the time that the
01:02:24trials happened
01:02:25three years later,
01:02:26it felt like the talk
01:02:27of the courthouse.
01:02:28Yeah.
01:02:29At the prosecution's table,
01:02:31Conroy unwrapped
01:02:32a piece of candy
01:02:33with a soft crinkle
01:02:34and popped the sweet
01:02:35into her mouth.
01:02:37Popped a piece of candy?
01:02:39I mean, this is...
01:02:40That's important.
01:02:41Yeah.
01:02:41With a soft crinkle.
01:02:44Joseph Banis is the first
01:02:46of two men to be tried
01:02:47for Carol's murder.
01:02:48Banis and Jeffrey Munt
01:02:49blame each other
01:02:50for Carol's death.
01:02:52Both face separate trials.
01:02:53Typically, a prosecutor
01:02:54wants to have one trial
01:02:56with both defendants
01:02:57sitting at the same table
01:02:58so that one jury can hear
01:03:00whatever everybody's
01:03:01going to say.
01:03:02From the very beginning,
01:03:04both Munt and Banis
01:03:05blamed each other.
01:03:06There are Supreme Court rules
01:03:08that dictate whether or not
01:03:09you can play those statements
01:03:10in a joint trial.
01:03:12So we had two separate trials
01:03:14and I felt like it would
01:03:15be more likely that I would
01:03:16be able to be successful
01:03:17at the first trial
01:03:18against Joey Banis.
01:03:20He had a criminal history
01:03:21in a different way
01:03:22than Jeffrey Munt
01:03:22obviously did.
01:03:25There were all those pictures
01:03:26of Joey Banis with guns.
01:03:29Unfortunately, we judge people
01:03:31sometimes by just
01:03:33what they look like.
01:03:34We can judge people
01:03:35just on a photograph.
01:03:37We have all seen
01:03:38the infamous photograph
01:03:39of Joey with the mohawk
01:03:42looking like if you had
01:03:45his picture up next
01:03:46to Mr. Munt's famous photograph
01:03:48which looks like
01:03:49an IT executive,
01:03:51which of these two
01:03:52would stab somebody
01:03:53and bury him in the basement?
01:03:57In the courtroom,
01:03:59Judge Mitch Perry
01:04:00watched from his pulpit
01:04:01as Bailiff Brown
01:04:02ushered in the defendant
01:04:03and then announced
01:04:04the arrival of the jury.
01:04:06All right,
01:04:07let the jury come in.
01:04:09I thought,
01:04:10oh, this is going to be
01:04:10a good one.
01:04:11It's going to be a trial
01:04:13where the public
01:04:14would be in the courtroom,
01:04:15so I was expecting
01:04:16a full courthouse.
01:04:22Three men entered.
01:04:24Two men left.
01:04:26Jeffrey Munt,
01:04:28Joseph Bannis,
01:04:31and Jamie Carroll
01:04:32entered into a bedroom
01:04:33in 1435 South 4th Street
01:04:37for the purposes
01:04:38of having group sex.
01:04:42Jamie Carroll
01:04:43didn't leave that bedroom,
01:04:45didn't leave that house,
01:04:48until homicide detectives
01:04:50dug his body
01:04:51out of the basement
01:04:52on June 17th, 2010.
01:04:58Jamie Carroll spent
01:05:00approximately six months
01:05:02in a 50-gallon
01:05:04Rubbermaid container,
01:05:06covered in lime,
01:05:09sealed shut with foam,
01:05:13strapped with duct tape.
01:05:16Your job as a juror
01:05:18is to take the evidence
01:05:19that's presented to you
01:05:20and focus in
01:05:22on that man,
01:05:24Joseph Bannis.
01:05:31Today, the prosecution's
01:05:32star witness,
01:05:33Jeffrey Munt,
01:05:34testifying today
01:05:35against his former partner,
01:05:36Joseph Bannis.
01:05:37Now, Munt was given
01:05:38a plea deal
01:05:39to avoid the death penalty
01:05:40in exchange for his testimony
01:05:42against Bannis.
01:05:44I want to go to
01:05:45the night
01:05:47of
01:05:48the murder
01:05:49of James Carroll.
01:05:50Tell the jurors
01:05:51what happened.
01:05:52The three of us
01:05:53started, you know,
01:05:53stripped naked
01:05:54and started, you know,
01:05:56watching porn.
01:06:00And I feel the jerk.
01:06:02I'm thrown off
01:06:03of Jamie
01:06:04and thrown into the table
01:06:06that's on the bedside.
01:06:08Jamie started screaming,
01:06:09no, Joey,
01:06:10no, no, no,
01:06:11please, no.
01:06:13There was blood
01:06:14that was
01:06:16literally everywhere.
01:06:17I mean,
01:06:17you could actually
01:06:18smell the blood.
01:06:20Joey had a knife
01:06:22and was slicing it
01:06:23to Jamie's throat.
01:06:26Joey takes
01:06:26several steps back
01:06:28and grabs a gun
01:06:29and Joey shot him,
01:06:31I believe, twice.
01:06:33Joey pointed the gun
01:06:34at me and said,
01:06:35I had a choice,
01:06:36which was to help him
01:06:37or to be killed
01:06:39right then and there.
01:06:42He sets me
01:06:43to dig a hole
01:06:44in the front part
01:06:45of the basement.
01:06:46And he locked me
01:06:47into that area
01:06:48and we dig the hole.
01:06:52It was not possible
01:06:53for Mr. Carroll's body
01:06:55to fit in the container
01:06:56as it was.
01:06:57Joey hit him
01:06:58with a sledgehammer
01:06:59so that the bones broke
01:07:02and I guess the muscles
01:07:03relaxed and moved,
01:07:04whatever,
01:07:05and he was put
01:07:07into the container.
01:07:08I mean,
01:07:08he was just pressed
01:07:09into the container.
01:07:11I don't know
01:07:11a better way to say it.
01:07:12I don't remember
01:07:13it being a particularly,
01:07:15other than disturbing,
01:07:16obviously, process.
01:07:17I don't remember
01:07:18it being a particularly
01:07:21difficult task.
01:07:23He was cold,
01:07:24very calculating,
01:07:25and he had no emotion
01:07:27and it made him
01:07:28look like a psychopath.
01:07:29He was condescending, too.
01:07:31As you went back
01:07:32to your life
01:07:33somewhat as normal
01:07:34when Jamie Carroll
01:07:35was buried
01:07:36in your basement,
01:07:37right?
01:07:37I don't know
01:07:38if normal would be
01:07:38quite the word
01:07:39of having somebody
01:07:40hold a gun
01:07:40and a knife at you
01:07:4124-7,
01:07:42but yeah,
01:07:42if you define that
01:07:43as normal,
01:07:43yeah,
01:07:43my life went back
01:07:44to normal.
01:07:53These series of pictures,
01:07:54were they taken?
01:07:55They were taken
01:07:55in the front hall
01:07:56of my home
01:07:57on 1435 South 4th Street.
01:07:59And the time frame
01:08:00generally of this photograph
01:08:01you said,
01:08:02late,
01:08:03around Christmas of 2009?
01:08:04Around Christmas time
01:08:05of 2009.
01:08:06And at the time
01:08:07of this photograph,
01:08:08is Jamie Carroll
01:08:09buried in the basement?
01:08:10Yes.
01:08:15I thought,
01:08:16what on earth
01:08:17do you celebrate
01:08:18Christmas together?
01:08:20You're together
01:08:20for over six months
01:08:22after this happened.
01:08:23I thought it was
01:08:24complete BS.
01:08:26I'm Stacey Huber.
01:08:27I was a juror
01:08:29on the Joseph Banz trial.
01:08:31I'm a true crime junkie.
01:08:32I took a lot
01:08:33of psychology classes
01:08:34in college,
01:08:35so abnormal psychology
01:08:38is probably my favorite.
01:08:40Yeah.
01:08:42Yeah.
01:08:42That and sex crimes.
01:08:45Were you not concerned
01:08:46with making sure
01:08:47that bloody rags
01:08:48were not around your house?
01:08:49I mean, you already
01:08:49had a body in the basement.
01:08:51I was less worried
01:08:52about that.
01:08:52I was worried
01:08:52about my cats,
01:08:53quite honestly,
01:08:54is more than anything else.
01:08:55What was going to happen
01:08:56to them walking around
01:08:57full of blood, yes?
01:08:59Having a body
01:09:00in his basement
01:09:01and his main concern
01:09:02was his cats.
01:09:05I got no sense of remorse
01:09:07at all
01:09:08from Jeffrey Mudd.
01:09:12Have you ever worked
01:09:13with the U.S. government?
01:09:14No, ma'am.
01:09:15Have you killed
01:09:1635 people
01:09:16in your line
01:09:17of work
01:09:17with the U.S. government?
01:09:18It was a sex scene
01:09:19that we had created.
01:09:20I don't understand.
01:09:24Role play,
01:09:26creation of a fantasy world
01:09:27is what I am into.
01:09:29That was the scene
01:09:30where I was being
01:09:32outwitted
01:09:33and outsmarted
01:09:33by the criminal,
01:09:34but I was
01:09:35the government agent.
01:09:36And who played
01:09:37the criminal?
01:09:38Joey.
01:09:45Darren Wolfe
01:09:46was champing
01:09:47at the bit
01:09:47when Jeffrey Mudd
01:09:48returned to the witness stand
01:09:49for cross-examination.
01:09:52Taking a long drink
01:09:53from a bottle of water,
01:09:55the attorney seemed
01:09:56to steel himself
01:09:57with a slight jerk
01:09:58of his head
01:09:59to the side,
01:10:00almost like a prize fighter
01:10:02entering the ring.
01:10:03Oh, jeez.
01:10:05You swear a firm testimony
01:10:06you're about to give
01:10:06will be the truth
01:10:07and the whole truth?
01:10:07Yes, sir.
01:10:09Isn't it true
01:10:10that you led Mr. Bannis
01:10:12to believe
01:10:13you were an agent
01:10:13of a foreign government?
01:10:16That was part
01:10:16of a sex scene, sir.
01:10:18Okay, so you would
01:10:18admit to me,
01:10:19or admit to this jury,
01:10:20that you did tell him
01:10:22that you had, in fact,
01:10:23a bullet in your head
01:10:24from some work
01:10:25that you did
01:10:26in a foreign country?
01:10:27I don't recall
01:10:28saying that.
01:10:28You don't recall
01:10:29saying that?
01:10:29You don't recall
01:10:30saying to him
01:10:31that you had a bullet
01:10:31in your head
01:10:32from Bratislava?
01:10:34I'm sorry, where?
01:10:35Bratislava?
01:10:36Does that sound
01:10:36right?
01:10:36Bratislava?
01:10:37Yeah, thank you.
01:10:38Do you know
01:10:38where it is then?
01:10:40Yes, I'm familiar
01:10:40with Eastern Europe.
01:10:41We're the ones
01:10:42that, quite frankly,
01:10:43during our trial
01:10:44had to put Mr. Munt
01:10:45on trial.
01:10:46We're going to be using
01:10:47the term lie
01:10:48a lot today.
01:10:50I want you to define
01:10:50for this jury
01:10:51what a lie is
01:10:52to Jeffrey Munt.
01:10:54A false statement?
01:10:58You lied,
01:10:59isn't that right?
01:11:00You did, right?
01:11:01Yes, sir.
01:11:01I lied at the house
01:11:02and I lied downtown
01:11:03as well.
01:11:05Quite frankly,
01:11:05I was freaked out
01:11:06by the fact
01:11:07that there were TV
01:11:07cameras all over
01:11:08the place
01:11:10videotaping this thing
01:11:10and that was really
01:11:11not exactly what
01:11:12I had in my mind
01:11:13is telling the police
01:11:14what had happened.
01:11:15Okay, all right.
01:11:16Now, you know,
01:11:17let's talk about this.
01:11:17There were the television
01:11:18cameras that were up
01:11:19in the corner.
01:11:20Right.
01:11:20In the first 48 hours,
01:11:21they were the ones
01:11:22sitting right outside
01:11:23the door
01:11:25of the interrogation room.
01:11:26I don't remember
01:11:27where they were sitting.
01:11:28You don't remember that?
01:11:29I do remember
01:11:29there were cameras there.
01:11:30I can't speak
01:11:30to where they were.
01:11:31Okay.
01:11:31Do you remember
01:11:32having conversations,
01:11:33literally having conversations
01:11:34with the first 48-hour crew?
01:11:37No.
01:11:38Are you from Louisville?
01:11:40I'm not supposed
01:11:40to talk to you, too.
01:11:41I'm sorry.
01:11:41I'm just...
01:11:42You don't remember that?
01:11:43You don't remember
01:11:44asking him whether or not
01:11:45you should not be talking to him?
01:11:47You don't remember that?
01:11:48I don't remember any of that.
01:11:49No, sir.
01:11:49You don't remember that?
01:11:50Okay.
01:11:51Munt tried
01:11:53to control the story,
01:11:54to control the narrative,
01:11:56to control everyone involved.
01:11:58Unlike Mr. Bainis,
01:11:59I don't have a long history
01:12:00of interrogation
01:12:00to fall back on,
01:12:01so I don't know
01:12:02how I was treated.
01:12:03Wait, what did you just say?
01:12:05What did you just say
01:12:06to this jury?
01:12:07Did I ask you
01:12:08a question about that?
01:12:09There were times
01:12:11during that cross-examination
01:12:12I had to remind him
01:12:14who was in charge,
01:12:15and it wasn't him.
01:12:16I was the one
01:12:17asking the questions.
01:12:18I'm sorry.
01:12:18I thought it was relevant.
01:12:19I apologize.
01:12:20You thought it was relevant?
01:12:21You know what?
01:12:22When something's relevant,
01:12:23I will ask you a question.
01:12:26Chapter 20,
01:12:28Weird Rubber Stuff.
01:12:30I'm going to show you
01:12:33profile.
01:12:37It appears to be
01:12:39a profile of me
01:12:40from a website.
01:12:42All right.
01:12:43Under turn-ons,
01:12:44you've got the
01:12:45rubber, rubber, rubber,
01:12:47PVC, leather, bondage,
01:12:49all types,
01:12:49restraints,
01:12:50cuffs, collars, hoods,
01:12:51gags, et cetera.
01:12:52And that's when
01:12:53a lot of us
01:12:53kind of learned
01:12:54a lot of new words.
01:12:56PNP.
01:12:57It refers to drug use,
01:12:58particularly methamphetamines.
01:13:01Party and play is PNP.
01:13:02What's WS?
01:13:03Water sports.
01:13:05Primarily, I guess,
01:13:06gay term for urine.
01:13:08Ass play
01:13:08and sensory deprivation.
01:13:11What does CBT mean?
01:13:13Cock and ball torture.
01:13:14It means I like having
01:13:16my penis and my testicles
01:13:18played with hard.
01:13:21Gingering, right?
01:13:22Gingering?
01:13:23A ginger root in the anus?
01:13:25Is that right?
01:13:26I went to places
01:13:28that I have never gone to before
01:13:30and do not plan
01:13:31to go back to ever again.
01:13:33It was definitely kink shaming.
01:13:35100% kink shaming.
01:13:37You can call it
01:13:38whatever you want,
01:13:39but as a defense attorney,
01:13:41are we supposed
01:13:43to just sit back
01:13:44and completely ignore
01:13:45this completely
01:13:47separate lifestyle
01:13:48that's not being presented
01:13:50to this jury?
01:13:52What's this next one?
01:13:53What in,
01:13:53what is mummification?
01:13:55We're like,
01:13:55what is mummification?
01:13:56And he basically liked
01:13:58to be almost,
01:14:00you know,
01:14:00clad completely in leather
01:14:02or something else
01:14:03and almost be
01:14:05the air cut off.
01:14:06I like having people
01:14:07hold my head,
01:14:08put a hood over my head
01:14:09and smother me.
01:14:12Obviously,
01:14:13only to a certain degree.
01:14:15Did he carry out
01:14:16one of his fantasies?
01:14:20That's the thing
01:14:20I learned
01:14:21in my sex crimes class
01:14:22is that it could have been
01:14:23a, wow,
01:14:24this can happen.
01:14:25I can make this happen.
01:14:26I can make my fantasies
01:14:27because mummification
01:14:28is one of my fantasies.
01:14:30You have to remember
01:14:31the fantasy world of sex
01:14:33was very different
01:14:34to the reality world.
01:14:36The best example
01:14:37I can come up with
01:14:37would be, you know,
01:14:38a heterosexual couple
01:14:39maybe into, you know,
01:14:41the naughty nurse
01:14:41and the patient
01:14:42or the naughty nurse
01:14:43and the doctor.
01:14:44Sort of a role-playing experience.
01:14:46Sort of like
01:14:46what you might see
01:14:47in pornography.
01:14:48I mean,
01:14:49the only reason
01:14:49you fantasize about things
01:14:51is because
01:14:52you think that maybe
01:14:54one day
01:14:54they could be a reality.
01:14:57If you're in a position
01:14:59where sexually
01:15:00basically being strangled
01:15:02or almost dying
01:15:03or those kind of
01:15:04asphyxiation sort of things
01:15:05give you a thrill,
01:15:07why wouldn't seeing
01:15:08another individual die?
01:15:10How does that not translate?
01:15:16Thundershowers
01:15:16rattled the window panes
01:15:18in the judicial center
01:15:19the next day
01:15:19when the defense
01:15:21put on its case
01:15:22for Joseph Bannis.
01:15:24Your Honor,
01:15:25this time the defense
01:15:25we call Mr. Kenny Robertson.
01:15:27What kind of work
01:15:28did Jeffrey Munt
01:15:29have you do to that home?
01:15:31He asked me to come in
01:15:32and give him an estimate
01:15:33on pouring concrete
01:15:36in basements.
01:15:36I went around the walls
01:15:38and I measured the walls
01:15:40from the dirt
01:15:41six inches
01:15:42because he wanted
01:15:43four inches of concrete
01:15:45poured in there.
01:15:49And he sat there
01:15:51and he
01:15:51he sat there
01:15:53with his head
01:15:55like this
01:15:57the whole time.
01:15:59and I thought
01:16:00you know
01:16:01every time I walked
01:16:02by him
01:16:02I thought
01:16:03you know
01:16:03what's wrong
01:16:04with you?
01:16:06He would not
01:16:06go in that room
01:16:08and I thought
01:16:09that was kind of strange
01:16:10because
01:16:10I needed a little help
01:16:12holding the tape measure.
01:16:15You know
01:16:16and I told him
01:16:16I said
01:16:17look
01:16:17we got to get out
01:16:18of here
01:16:18I said
01:16:18it stinks in here.
01:16:24Were you ever able
01:16:25to concrete over
01:16:25his basement?
01:16:26No.
01:16:28What happened?
01:16:29Why not?
01:16:29It was on the news
01:16:30and they had found
01:16:31a body in Jeff's home.
01:16:34Had they
01:16:35completed
01:16:35the finishing
01:16:36of that basement
01:16:36and put down
01:16:37a cement flooring
01:16:38on it
01:16:38absolutely
01:16:39they could have
01:16:40gotten away with it.
01:16:41You would agree
01:16:41with me
01:16:42it would have also
01:16:42been a convenient
01:16:43way to concrete
01:16:44over a dirt floor
01:16:45basement
01:16:45where a body
01:16:46had been buried.
01:16:47Yes it would have
01:16:48been a convenient
01:16:48way to hide
01:16:49bad evidence.
01:16:52Well it's less
01:16:53likely to be
01:16:53discovered.
01:16:55And I was like
01:16:56wow.
01:16:58That moment
01:16:59showed us
01:17:00that Jeff Munt
01:17:01was more
01:17:02the mastermind.
01:17:04I think the problem
01:17:05for Joey Bannis'
01:17:06attorneys is that
01:17:07making Jeffrey Munt
01:17:09look bad
01:17:09doesn't make
01:17:10Joey Bannis
01:17:11look good.
01:17:13It just makes
01:17:14them both
01:17:15look bad.
01:17:19An unexpected
01:17:20turn in the
01:17:21murder trial
01:17:21of Joseph Bannis.
01:17:22The attorneys
01:17:23representing
01:17:24Joseph Bannis
01:17:24rested their case
01:17:25today without
01:17:26his testimony.
01:17:28A surprise
01:17:28because just
01:17:29a week ago
01:17:30his attorney
01:17:31told jurors
01:17:32that Bannis
01:17:33himself would
01:17:34testify in
01:17:35his own defense.
01:17:36Joey was going
01:17:37to testify
01:17:38at his trial.
01:17:39Then we were
01:17:40able to
01:17:40remind him
01:17:42of a particular
01:17:43piece of evidence
01:17:44that would
01:17:45contradict his
01:17:45statement.
01:17:46I'm recording
01:17:47my death
01:17:48for the purpose
01:17:49of informing
01:17:49all concerned
01:17:50of my own
01:17:51willful suicide
01:17:52and the complete
01:17:52non-involvement
01:17:53or culpability
01:17:54of my boyfriend
01:17:55Jeffrey Steven Munt.
01:17:56We knew
01:17:57there was
01:17:58the threatening
01:17:59video between
01:18:00him and Jeff Munt
01:18:01in the hotel room.
01:18:02I have a gun
01:18:03pointed at him.
01:18:04The gun is right
01:18:05right here
01:18:08and he is
01:18:09right there.
01:18:09At the conclusion
01:18:10of the Commonwealth's
01:18:11proof in the case
01:18:13they had not yet
01:18:14shown that video.
01:18:16I'm holding him
01:18:16hostage because I
01:18:17have failed him
01:18:18and hurt him
01:18:18and done terrible
01:18:19things which I can
01:18:20never recover from.
01:18:24This includes
01:18:25killing someone.
01:18:26Our concern was
01:18:28that if he testified
01:18:29then certainly
01:18:30surely to God
01:18:31the Commonwealth
01:18:32would have used
01:18:33that video to
01:18:34just completely
01:18:35wreck his credibility
01:18:36to the jury.
01:18:37So we came
01:18:38to the agreement
01:18:39it was not worth
01:18:40the risk
01:18:41for him to be
01:18:42impeached
01:18:42with this damning
01:18:43video.
01:18:44I'm sorry
01:18:45for any pain
01:18:46that this causes.
01:18:49Video shuts off.
01:18:50You know,
01:18:51that's it.
01:18:52But there's
01:18:53a start to this.
01:18:55They didn't
01:18:55play the start
01:18:55to this.
01:18:59Hello?
01:19:01And that's
01:19:02when you have
01:19:03Munt almost
01:19:04seeming to dictate
01:19:05what Bannis
01:19:06was going to say.
01:19:10If you look
01:19:11at the video
01:19:12you can truly
01:19:13see that looks
01:19:14can be deceiving
01:19:15and in this case
01:19:16looks were deceiving.
01:19:18Try to give you
01:19:19that.
01:19:21Try to give you
01:19:22what you need.
01:19:25Thank you,
01:19:25it was perfect.
01:19:43It was perfect.
01:19:49It was perfect.
01:19:49It was perfect.
01:19:50It was perfect.
01:19:51It was perfect.
01:19:55It was perfect.
01:19:55It was perfect.
01:19:55It was perfect.
01:19:56It was perfect.
01:19:56It was perfect.
01:19:57It was perfect.
01:19:58It was perfect.
01:19:59It was perfect.
01:19:59It was perfect.
01:20:00It was perfect.
01:20:00It was perfect.
01:20:06Oh, oh, oh, oh.
01:20:30You
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