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00:03I have been saying for decades that my dad killed my mom and when Charlotte
00:10died I never believed it was suicide. When Annie Tordoff died I didn't believe
00:16that she died of a blood clot. Everybody in the family always told me he killed
00:22her and made it look like a suicide. He's got two wives and a girlfriend who he
00:28called in to the police reporting their deaths. What's the odds of that? I think
00:33he'd be better off winning the lottery. We both didn't think it was suicide. I don't
00:40understand the actions of the Fremont County Sheriff's Department. When is he
00:45ever going to get investigated? Police in Western Iowa are searching for any sign
00:51of a serial killer.
00:59The woman claims her late plot are killed at least 50 women and used to
01:03children to help bury them.
01:05Take all the children when snow water's holy. Ain't no devil don't be where we want.
01:27When we were able to open the casket on my mom it was unnerving to see her that way. She's
01:39really preserved well. Yes. She's still got her skin I mean eyelashes she's got an
01:45eyeball. And you could tell it was weird you could tell it was our mom. I mean her
01:51facial features, her curly hair and it was still very curly she still had a full head
01:57hair. Mm-hmm. We still have a ways to go with the autopsy and I think once we get the
02:08results
02:08from that we'll have the closure that we need but we're hoping that this does help Lucy too.
02:16Yes. That is the whole purpose of this. Yes. It's truly to bring some. To help. To help Lucy. Yes.
02:23For Lucy. Yes. And mom. Because mom loved her. She loved Lucy. A lot.
02:32Look what's making me cry. We're gonna have happy tears mom. I know. But yeah.
02:49I am Dr. Erin Lindy. I'm a forensic pathologist here in Omaha, Nebraska.
02:55The original investigative report on Charlotte's duty stated that she was found deceased in her
03:03vehicle from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and that she used a Marlin .22 semi-automatic rifle
03:12which is a long gun. The dimensions of that weapon from the trigger to the end of the barrel is
03:2224 inches which is the same distance as her armpit to her right middle finger meaning that
03:30the tip of her finger would just touch that trigger which would be insufficient to cause
03:39discharge of the gun. On her right arm, right in the crease of the arm near the elbow, there's
03:48the collection of very small abrasions that weren't seen anywhere else which really raised the possibility
03:59of a potential defensive action that she's trying to protect herself as the guns fired.
04:15My name is Dan Hayes. I was a Omaha police officer from 1982 to 2007. I worked as a homicide
04:23detective and a narcotics detective. Charlotte's duty was found in a vehicle in front of a house and
04:33I was one of the responding officers. I got there first but the second responding officer was
04:39uh officer Ted Gray.
04:42I was in uniform patrol at the time. We had arrived and we were appointed there by a white male
04:50later identified as the woman's husband and it's a female and it's with a rifle and there's no no.
05:02So that sticks out.
05:07I remember it snowed overnight and uh it was kind of a fresh uh layer of snow not not very
05:14deep snow.
05:15The vehicle was locked so as the uh squad came up I instructed one of the squad personnel
05:22to go in through a wing window on the uh I believe it was the passenger side of the car.
05:28She was seated not behind the wheel what you would call the driver's side and she wasn't in the
05:34passenger side she was more in the center of the vehicle and then she was laying down on her left
05:40side.
05:41She had a bullet wound to the right temple of her head and there was a 22 rifle.
05:47Her left hand had a hold of the muzzle or the barrel of the rifle and her right hand was
05:54laying on the stock butt.
05:58I seen tons of dead bodies. I seen tons of suicides.
06:02I don't remember any women shooting themselves.
06:05I had never experienced that uh prior to that or can recall experiencing that after that either.
06:14The woman's husband said they had an argument that night.
06:19She had left and threatened suicide before and when she didn't return in the morning he went out
06:29and looked for. She had a couple of regular places that she would go to when they had these fights.
06:37And so he followed the track from their house to where she would go to and then found her car.
06:45He wasn't totally broken down over it but his concern was for his family back at the house
06:52and what was going to go on there. At the time that's that all seemed very I mean normal. What
07:00a normal
07:01person would do. The husband said he had to go back and be with his daughters at their house
07:08and he left and the detectives then went and spoke with him later.
07:14By the time leaving that call we were able to determine that it was a suicide.
07:20Nothing in the snow showed us anything different than everything happened inside that car.
07:25You remember the snow? Oh yeah. It's cold. It's cold at six o'clock in the morning here in February.
07:33There wasn't a lot of it but that would show evidence of somebody being around before we got there.
07:40Well if the husband found it and called the police surely there would have been evidence that he was
07:46there before he passed away. Right. Unless he drove by. You know just drove by and saw her car there.
07:54Stayed in this car. Didn't look in the loop. I don't you know like I said I other than that
08:00quick
08:00interview you know just talking to him how he came across. I'm I'm I'm not the one investigating it.
08:07That's the detective's jobs at the time. We turned it over to the detectives involved.
08:11Did you get to speak to Officer Green? Yes I spoke to him. Yes. Yes.
08:17Uh did you guys have a conversation about the snow? He stated he reminded me or tried to remind me
08:24that it had snowed. And part of what he had said was he said they there were no footprints around
08:30the
08:31snow is what is what he said. But I took took his word. I don't remember. Wasn't documented in any
08:37um
08:38in the police reports though. You can go back and look at the uh historical weather.
08:43I mean there was no snow there. I for some reason that's the visual that I got as I was
08:52going through
08:52and trying to recall the night. That's kind of a visualization that I had. I can't stress to you
08:57enough that the details of the case and what was found originally are not out for public knowledge.
09:03Why? That's just the way the investigators work and that's the policy in Omaha Police Division.
09:10But there's evidence that I can divulge
09:15that absolutely puts this as a suicide.
09:19That's just the way that I can't believe that.
09:25Growing up with the question of your parent, whether they committed suicide or not,
09:32does play a lot with your emotions, your thoughts. Did they abandon you? Did they? Why did they leave you?
09:42There was a lot of shame.
09:45I felt abandoned, not loved. It's a feeling that I don't want nobody to go through.
09:57When I found out that she had passed away, my husband was the one who came in,
10:03he got the phone call and he said, your mom committed suicide. And I said, no, she didn't. No,
10:10she didn't. He said, well, that's what the police are saying, that she had shot herself in her car.
10:20And I said, how was she found? And he said, Don found her.
10:28When we got the call about her suicide, I didn't even believe it. No.
10:35I knew that he'd finally finished the job that he'd been.
10:39Yeah, because mom didn't know nothing about guns.
10:43And she had left him. She had gotten her own apartment.
10:46She was so excited. Please come visit me now. He won't be around.
10:52We'd go visit. And it was literally not even a month or maybe one month later, she was, she was
11:02dead.
11:07I've always not just believed that Don Studi killed our mother,
11:12but I also believe that he killed his previous wife, Lucy.
11:30She died in Denver, Colorado, and she was brought over here.
11:38I was always told that my mom committed suicide. That is what I remember always being told.
11:47And every time dad beat the shit out of me, I would cuss my mom out for, for leaving me,
11:54for abandoning us. Why did she abandon us kids with that monster?
12:02My uncle Don, all the children were afraid of him because we saw what he did to his children.
12:10Lucy Studi McKinney is my cousin. And Don Studi is my uncle. He is my mother's brother.
12:20The only part of my uncle Don that I ever saw was the one that beat his children.
12:27And his sister's children.
12:34Don had four kids. Gary, Linda, we called her Linda Marie because my name is Linda, Susan,
12:45and Lucy. So those children are with his wife, Lucy May.
12:52And can you tell me what happened to her?
13:04So the children lost their mother supposedly to suicide, but my mother always told me and everybody
13:14in the family always told me that he killed her and made it look like a suicide.
13:23The way my mother knew that he had done it was that she had made a surprise visit to him
13:32with my dad
13:33the morning after it had happened.
13:38First time I met Don Studi, I was probably 23 years old.
13:44When you met Don, he would seem to you very normal.
13:48He could be outgoing, but he didn't join in a lot unless he was, you know, talked to specifically.
13:56I never saw any real emotion. He would like hug his kids, but there was never any
14:05expression to me that would indicate that it was pleasurable. He just pretty much had the same face
14:13for everything. And he thought he was smarter than anybody. And in his favor, he was very, very intelligent.
14:24I think Don thought he was bulletproof.
14:29Don's wife, Lucy, was very quiet and shy. She would talk to you, but she wouldn't initiate a conversation.
14:37And she, I mean, she was just a nice gal. I have no idea how Don ever got older.
14:50Marilyn and I left our home in Sydney, Nebraska, to visit Don and Lucy.
14:57We pulled up in the driveway. Don came out and he said that Lucy had gone in the closet and
15:07wound a cord around her neck and around the crossbar in the closet.
15:13Lucy had choked to death.
15:19From what my mom told me the night before, my Uncle Don and my Aunt Lucy had gone out to
15:27a party.
15:28And he thought that my Aunt Lucy was flirting with another guy.
15:35And my Uncle Don got in a fight with her. And apparently the fight continued on the way home.
15:42Don. Don told me that she wanted him to do something that he didn't want to do, obviously.
15:50And so she played the pity card and was held in the closet.
15:57And then supposedly, the way Don tells it, is she had an asthma attack and just dropped.
16:04According to the police report, it said that she had committed suicide by hanging herself
16:10in the closet off of the kitchen. That's where the police found her.
16:16I saw the electrical cord hanging from the crossbar and it just didn't add up.
16:27Her knees would have almost touched the floor.
16:31My mother noticed several things that were very unusual.
16:36It looked like there had been a struggle. There was blood on the floor.
16:42There was a cigarette that had been set on the edge of the counter and had burned down to ashes
16:48and
16:48burned the counter. And my mother said, I can't imagine somebody would light a cigarette,
16:54set it on the edge of the counter, and then go kill themselves.
17:01Marilyn and I talked about Lucy's death as soon as we left Don's. And I don't know whether
17:09she said it first or I said it first, but we both didn't think it was suicide.
17:15And I would assume she would know better because she knew Don better.
17:22My mom wrote a book about her life. And I used the word book loosely because she wrote it
17:30in her own handwriting in pencil. And it was 186 pages. And every time I read it,
17:36I see something else that just absolutely mortifies me. Her brother Don, as well as her brother Louis,
17:45and all her sisters had all been violent. During the time that my mom was writing her book,
17:53she would call me or she would send me a text message and say, Linda, I can't do this.
18:01This is really hard. This is bringing up some really bad stuff.
18:11You cannot meet my mother because my mother is in prison
18:17for attempted murder of her boyfriend. She took the claw end of a hammer and hit her boyfriend in the
18:29head seven times. And when that didn't kill him, and he begged her to take him to the hospital,
18:37she put him in the car. And on the way to the hospital, she pulled a gun on him. And
18:42she was
18:42going to shoot him. But somehow he managed to get out of the car. And so she left him to
18:48die. But
18:49fortunately, some people rescued him and took him to the hospital. And so he did live.
18:55And she's been in prison since October of 2020. She's doing an eight year term.
19:01When Lucy came out with the story of what happened with my Uncle Don,
19:07I immediately sent my mother an email. And I said, you realize your brother is a serial killer,
19:14don't you? And her answer was, I don't know anything. And don't you know that the prison is reading our
19:23emails?
19:26He and Marilyn were very tight. It seemed almost like they could talk without talking.
19:33But they were close. I just can't see how anybody could have that much loyalty towards their brother.
19:45Where's your morality? How do you think that person's family felt that they were murdered,
19:53and no one ever knew who did it? But she did. And she didn't say anything.
19:59And she said, how could I not be loyal to my brother? He killed for me.
20:16When my mother died, I was three and a half years old. I have no recollections of my mother.
20:21I always wondered how come my mother wasn't around. I wish I could remember her, but I can't.
20:27I love the idea of a mother that she gave birth to me, but I can't recall who she is.
20:33When I was like 12, 13 years old, my Aunt Ida, her own sister was in our lives. And I
20:38asked my Aunt
20:39Ida, I go, Aunt Ida, what happened to my mom? Why is she not here? He goes, Susan, your mother
20:44tried it
20:44twice before she met your dad. One time she took sleeping pills. The second time she tried to slit her
20:48wrists.
20:49And she goes, the third time she did it. Up until my mom's sister told me that.
20:56Graced all doubt. She tried it twice before she met my father.
21:02I grew up hearing people saying that my dad killed my mom at my mom's grave. I promised her
21:14that I would prove that he murdered her. Having my stepmom Charlotte exhumed was the first step in this
21:23process. But I can't get my mom exhumed because my sister Susan and my sister Linda won't sign the
21:31paperwork.
21:33One of the things that would make this go away is if your mother's body was exhumed.
21:38No. Because for Lucy to do it, it would take me and my other sibling. And I do remember what
21:44my
21:44mom's sister told me. And I go by her words. I don't care about Lucy. I don't care which Tom,
21:49Dick, and Harry wants my mother exhumed. It is not going to happen. Lucy's smarter than me.
21:54But the thing is, she's never gave one ounce of evidence in this whole thing. It's always,
21:59what if? It could be this. It could be this. Accusations fly. My mom's been gone for 50 years. I
22:04am
22:04not about to disturb her grave for Lucy or for nobody. And neither is my other sibling.
22:10At some point as an adult, were you ever wondering? One wife committed suicide.
22:16I thought about that. My dad looked at me. He goes, Susan? He goes, why do I have bad luck
22:22with women?
22:23Why did they die on me? And I'm like, Dad, I'm sorry, you know? He goes, I don't understand.
22:31Huh, he's had bad luck, yeah. But speculation and evidence are two different things.
22:39Is it possible? No. What guy in the right mind would do that and have four kids left behind?
22:48All five and under. That's pretty damn dumb.
23:03We have to take information that's not just the body. There are certain deaths that almost entirely
23:12rely on the scene findings and the investigative findings. The history of domestic violence also
23:20plays a role. I'm going to speak with Deputy Green and I'm really hoping that he could provide some
23:26additional information. If Charlotte was truly leaving him and moving to that other apartment,
23:39she is in the more dangerous time period and more at risk for a violent act towards her.
24:06What about the scene and what you saw raise questions? Well, I mean the obvious question is
24:17he's the one that finds her, but there's no note and there's a rifle. And once the body's moved,
24:22we're releasing it to CIB at the time. So I don't have anything else to do with the investigation.
24:28Just at the original scene, there was what appeared to be, you know, some stuff on her
24:35that was consistent with the close wound. Sure. What did you see that would be consistent with the
24:41close wound? This is where it's going to... It's okay. I got to be real careful because I was advised,
24:49you know, of releasing details of it. But, you know, it's real common with a 22 to have unspent powder.
24:55Right. Okay. And that was around. And then where the casing was found, that was...
25:03The only thing I would have, I guess, figured out where the ejection port would have been.
25:07Maybe that would have helped. Because some eject forward, some eject sideways, and some eject back.
25:14One of the big things that I've been wrestling with, with this case, is positioning.
25:20So the gun, we can see it on the door frame, up on the window, or down on the armrest.
25:25Right. But like I said, the angle, I'm not... I mean, I wasn't privy to that back at the time.
25:33I'm just a lowly uniform guy. Sure.
25:42I have been saying for decades that my dad killed my mom. And when Charlotte died,
25:51I never believed it was suicide. And when Annie Tordoff died,
25:57I didn't believe that she died of a blood clot.
26:03This is a headstone for dad's long-time girlfriend, Anna Tordoff. She was not married to my dad.
26:11He put Studi on there. But I suspect that he killed her.
26:19You know, he's got two wives and a girlfriend who he called in to the police reporting their deaths.
26:28You know, what's the odds of that? I think he'd be better off winning the lottery.
26:32I don't understand the actions of the Fremont County Sheriff's Department.
26:37I mean, they knew about mom, and they knew about Charlotte. And here's a third wife.
26:44When is he ever going to get investigated?
26:51My mom lived with Donald Studi for 12 years. After our dad passed away, she needed companionship.
27:01I wanted my mom to be happy. And if this is what she was doing to make her happy, then
27:06we were happy.
27:08Did your mom ever express to you that she was in an abusive relationship with her?
27:14No, no. The reason I knew that she was, is I had picked my mother up to take her to
27:22a doctor's appointment.
27:23She was wearing sunglasses. And as we were driving, she happened to take them off. And
27:28my mom had, her left eye, she had a black eye. Of course, the first thing I did is I
27:34questioned her,
27:35did Dawn hit you? And I was getting rather upset. She just said, just stop. Don't say anything. Don't do
27:44anything,
27:44because you're just going to make it worse. After I had called her numerous times and there was no answer.
27:52And you know, of course, then I'm thinking, well, she had the black eye, you know, I'm worried.
27:55You know, so, so I called the, the Fremont County Sheriff and I asked him to do a well check.
28:02And then that's when I was threatened.
28:07Dawn told me that he was going to fucking kill me.
28:14From that time with the black eye till the time of her death really wasn't that far apart. I just
28:21know that she, my mom was unhappy. She was scared of him.
28:27I had heard that your mom thought that Dawn might kill her by injecting air into her veins as she
28:35was
28:35a diabetic. Did you ever hear anything like that?
28:38Uh, not back then, but recently, yes.
28:42How did you hear that?
28:43That was through Lucy.
28:46My dad openly threatened Annie Tordoff's life for years before she died.
28:55Anna called me up. She said, I want you to know that if anything happens to me,
29:02I didn't commit suicide. It was your dad. It was Donnie.
29:08But when she died, that is when I went on a war path.
29:15Who did a killing for Mike? Mike.
29:19I had a little bit different feeling about Don. Don never showed anything that,
29:26you know, any ill will till, to Anna or anyone else. Every Sunday that me and my wife and my
29:33son,
29:33you know, would go down there. You know, any, anything that Don would have done towards,
29:39you know, my mom, you know, at the time, I didn't see anything. Um, I had taken her to,
29:45you know, her hospital appointments many, many a times and never came across anything like that.
29:52You guys even witnessed a whole lot of stuff happening. If it wasn't from Lucy,
29:56you might not even ever think this.
29:58Exactly. You know, I got a text from Lucy that, you know, stating that, you know, she can prove,
30:05you know, three ways, you know, that, that our mother was murdered. You know, I would like to,
30:11you know, have someone prove it. Back when my mom passed,
30:18we should have had an autopsy done and we did not. And now we're kind of kicking ourselves in the
30:25butt
30:25for that. But I think that she died of natural causes. Seeing her within the last several weeks
30:33of her life, you know, how her health had went down, her weight went down. But as for Don murdering
30:40her, we'll never know. Yeah, we'll never know.
30:55So I'm on my way to see a hypnotherapist called Lisa. She's only six miles away.
31:19I decided to try some of these sessions to help with nightmares.
31:27Okay, Lucy, are you comfortable in that chair? Yes. And is it okay during your session if I touch
31:34you on maybe the forehead, the arm, the wrist? Yes. Okay. So what I would like you to do is
31:42just
31:43focus on these two fingers right here and just put all of your focus and attention on those two fingers.
31:57I will count from one to three. And when I get to three, you can completely allow those eyelids to
32:06just relax.
32:07relax. One, two, three.
32:22Now, Lucy, I want you to go back to a time when you felt completely safe.
32:36What happens next?
32:37Peggy and a blanket.
32:46What happens next?
32:49It's falling down.
32:50Falling down.
32:51It's powder. It's powder.
32:57Do you know what that powder is?
33:01Looks like clouds.
33:04It's on the tree roots.
33:07What's on the tree roots?
33:11Snow.
33:12Snow, okay.
33:16So where are you at?
33:19Red brick.
33:21Red brick?
33:22By the leaves.
33:24Okay.
33:26It's peaceful.
33:31Where are you in this scene?
33:34In the kitchen.
33:36In the kitchen, yeah.
33:38Are you alone or are you with someone?
33:43She's on the floor.
33:46What happened?
33:49She's dead.
33:54And is there anyone around you or are you alone?
34:00They are.
34:02They're there.
34:04They keep me sane.
34:07Who does?
34:09Shut up.
34:11Shut up.
34:16Tell me more about that.
34:17What's happening?
34:20I have to shut up.
34:24What's happening now?
34:28Hard to breathe.
34:29Okay.
34:31Do you have...
34:31Feels like something's pushing in on my neck.
34:33Okay.
34:34Do you have any idea what that is?
34:39Tell me what's happening.
34:42I can't breathe.
34:43Okay.
34:44I can't breathe.
34:45Okay.
34:46That's right.
34:47Just take a nice deep breath and relax.
34:50It's okay.
34:52It's okay.
34:52We're just gonna rise above.
34:55Rise above it.
34:58That's right.
35:00I need you to just rise above.
35:03I'm gonna count to three.
35:06Deep breath.
35:08Just release, release, release, release, release, release, release.
35:13Release, release.
35:16There you go.
35:18Release, release, release.
35:22You don't have to feel it.
35:29Great job.
35:33It's very common when people are regressing and going back to different states, they actually
35:40feel everything that happened in that moment.
35:46That is how she remembered those events.
36:05I'm feeling pretty peaceful.
36:08Me too.
36:09Just ready for answers.
36:12Yes.
36:13Here we are.
36:14Here we are.
36:20Hello.
36:22Hi.
36:22Hi.
36:23Come on back with me.
36:25We're gonna come down this hallway and into the conference room.
36:29Thank you so much for coming down.
36:31We're gonna discuss what I saw in your mom's autopsy.
36:37We'll start with the big, biggest portion, I guess, which would be the gunshot wound.
36:43When I looked at the entrance wound, it was very round and punched out.
36:51There wasn't any associated tearing of the skin with it.
36:56I didn't see any evidence of searing around the entrance wound.
37:00I didn't see any residual soot.
37:03And the searing and soot and those little tearing areas are what we tend to see and think
37:10of in contact gunshot wounds, which they're the ones that are most commonly associated with
37:17the self-inflicted type injury.
37:20Now, the other thing that I saw was on the kind of crease of her arm around the elbow,
37:27there were little areas of red discoloration, which is basically caused by little pieces
37:32of unburnt gunpowder that strike the skin and cause small abrasions.
37:37The stippling on the arm would, again, raise that possibility that the barrel of the weapon
37:43was further away than contact.
37:45And the entrance.
37:46So it was like she was trying to move it away, more or less.
37:52Potentially.
37:54Did you do any, um...
38:00I know it was hard.
38:02Can I go get a box of tissue?
38:06I'm sorry.
38:08It's so hard to hear.
38:13So when you did the measurements of, like, her arms, could she have reached the trigger
38:21and had the barrel to her head?
38:24From her armpit, it's 24 inches, which puts her arms right at barely touch trigger, not necessarily
38:35push in a comfortable-ish position.
38:40It raises questions.
38:44So in your opinion, um, with all the information you have, what would you say?
38:55I would say that based on all the, you know, the preliminary autopsy findings, at least, the
39:03investigative material that I have at this point, and the circumstances as I'm aware
39:09of them, that, you know, the manner of death here is undetermined.
39:19Undetermined.
39:23We use undetermined as a manner of death when there's too many questions to either push...
39:31One way or the other.
39:32...one way or another.
39:32So in this case, too many questions to push suicide, which would be the self-inflicted,
39:38versus homicide, which would be at the hand of another.
39:42So it's undetermined?
39:44In my opinion, yes.
39:47We've just been chasing this for years.
39:49I know.
39:50Yes.
39:50Yes.
39:54Whew.
39:59For me to go from suicide to undetermined is a big deal.
40:06It may not feel like it, but the burden to move it all the way to a homicide is quite
40:13high.
40:15What would you need to say at this point to rule this a homicide?
40:22To rule this a homicide, I really need probably things that cannot be gotten at this point.
40:32Further investigation into the events of that night.
40:38The original autopsy photos would be huge just to be able to see what was seen.
40:44Unfortunately, there are none.
40:47Why do you think the crime scene photos are missing?
40:52They closed the case out as a suicide.
40:56I would assume they were probably destroyed before.
41:00Everything now is digitized, you know.
41:03And I'm just telling you, what is on the original report is consistent with what a suicide would be.
41:12But I can't stress to you enough that the details of the case and what was found originally are not
41:18out for public knowledge.
41:21And I wish I'd give anything to be, you know, more open with you.
41:25I really would.
41:26Because it'd take, you know what, take a lot of heat off everybody.
41:32But I can't.
41:33That's just the way the rules work.
41:36Tell me there's no cover-up.
41:39Oh, absolutely there's no cover-up.
41:42You don't want to go down that path with me because I guarantee you, you're going to ruffle the feathers
41:47of the big dog and you will not like that at all.
41:52Now, been real gracious, okay?
41:55You want to put this on tape, that's fine.
41:56I'm just telling you right now, if you think I'm covering something up, you're full of shit and we'll end
42:02it right now.
42:03Is there an impression that you have that you're not previously said?
42:09Not long.
42:15Well, I have to be careful with how I say things.
42:19I mean, I don't have anyone that's saying, you can't say this and you can't say that.
42:28That I'm aware of.
42:29I'm sure they'll come out of the woodwork.
42:33Do you think there is any cover-up here?
42:39You know, not being from around here, I didn't grow up with the stories.
42:49I really don't know.
42:54Dr. Lindy did say on more than one occasion, it would be a good idea for us to get a
43:00second opinion.
43:01And it just, it felt odd.
43:04It's like, why are you pushing us so much to go get another opinion somewhere?
43:07Is there something that the second opinion is going to tell us that you can't?
43:13And I had reached out to her and said, can I please get an extended version of the police report?
43:21And she says, well, I can't legally release them to family.
43:25Because they said without a subpoena, they wouldn't give us the extended report.
43:29Yes.
43:29And it was interesting.
43:30The lawyer said that within 10 minutes of our subpoena being delivered to her, she turned the files over.
43:36She wanted to turn them over, but she couldn't.
43:41My goal is to put this to bed to get her death certificate changed to homicide.
43:50When Charlotte supposedly committed suicide, the first thing my mother said when we found out was,
43:58he did it again.
44:01He did it again.
44:03That's the stupidest thing.
44:05That's what my mother, Marilyn said, that he could have gotten a little more creative.
44:22Poor Ellen Smith, how was she found?
44:26Shot through the heart, lying cold on the ground.
44:30Her body was mangled and all cast around.
44:35And blood marked the spot where poor Ellen was found.
44:39They picked up her body and carried it away.
44:43And now she is sleeping in some lonesome old grief.
44:48Poor Ellen Smith, how was she found?
44:52Shot through the heart, lying cold on the ground.
45:01I have to get this off my mind.
45:04I have to tell somebody what I know.
45:07And that's why I am talking to you.
45:11Because I need these things to come out because they're eating me alive.
45:19I just want to get this out before I die.
45:24I finally have the right equipment with the right team.
45:28My specialty is in forensic anthropology.
45:31We are death investigators.
45:33I want to recreate the crime scene.
45:35To see where do the shell casings go.
45:37They're not lying.
45:38I'm not lying.
45:39That's an alert.
45:40I came up here tonight to defend my family against your fat little mouth.
45:45Do you think I like trying to prove that my dad's a criminal and a murderer?
45:49What you've been looking for is sitting right behind you under the ground.
46:04Jennah speaking Museum
46:07Wardens
46:08Poor Ellen Smith, how was she found?
46:11Shot through the heart, lying cold on the ground
46:16Her body was mangled and all cast around
46:20And blood marked the spot where poor Ellen was found
46:25They picked up her body and carried it away
46:29And now she is sleeping in some lonesome old grave
46:34Poor Ellen Smith, how was she found?
46:38Shot through the hard line, cold on the ground
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