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A reported suicide turns into a murder investigation after detectives discover a gruesome crime scene where the victim was stabbed more than 100 times.
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00:14I think my friend killed himself. I can't wake him up. He's bloody, um, neck and toe.
00:23Is he breathing?
00:25No, ma'am, he's not.
00:26Do you see any weapons or anything around him?
00:30Yeah, he has my kitchen knife. There's blood on the carpet. All over his face, all over his arms, all
00:37over his chest, all over the wall. Like, he just splattered his blood in his head of the air.
00:44Babe! Babe! What the hell?
00:58Okay, this is Detective Brian Erickson, Lewiston Police Department. This is in the residence of Patrick Nuxall.
01:17Oh, my gosh.
01:22That sucked.
01:37I didn't even realize what I was looking at first. I wasn't even sure if it was a human being.
01:44I could see multiple lacerations, cuts, gashes, uh, to his head, his face.
01:55There were flaps of skin hanging off of his scalp. I have never seen such a gruesome crime scene as
02:03this one.
02:04The amount of blood strewn across the ceiling and across the walls, it was kind of like a training school
02:13for teaching people about blood spatter.
02:16There was a large carving knife on the floor, about a foot away from Mr. Kramer, but this was not
02:24a suicide.
02:26These were not self-inflicted wounds.
02:29Mr. Kramer appeared to be the victim of a violent attack.
02:36When we went into the kitchen, I saw more blood spatter on some of the mail that was on top
02:43of the kitchen table.
02:45And I saw diluted blood on the edge of the kitchen sink and what looked like a fingerprint in blood.
02:54There was also a large carving knife sitting on top of a cutting board.
03:00We could see there was a little bit of blood on the handle of the knife, but the knife itself
03:04looked relatively clean, like it had been cleaned.
03:08And we could see little pieces or chunks of metal missing from the knife blade.
03:15In the living room, we found, like, a ceramic lawn ornament.
03:19It was broken into several pieces, so our first impression is that it was broke over Mr. Kramer's head while
03:26he was being attacked.
03:35We're just here to figure out what happened, okay?
03:39All I can tell you is he's been extremely depressed over the last few months.
03:44Yesterday when he came over, he wanted to get drunk, and I fell asleep on the couch like I always
03:51do.
03:52And when I woke up, he was exactly the way he is, other than the fact that I found it
04:00on his chest like three times.
04:02Why'd you do that?
04:04Just trying to make him come back alive.
04:06Oh, I see.
04:07He was so bloody from his whole face down as just a mess.
04:16This is just mind-boggling.
04:21When I looked at Nuxall, I noticed his hands were very clean.
04:27He had told us he tried to do CPR on Dave, but he never said he washed himself off, so
04:32this didn't make sense.
04:33I noticed that there were some injuries on Patrick's fingers.
04:38They were really small, they were really subtle, but they were fresh.
04:42Also, it had looked like he had just washed the front of his face, because his cheeks and his nose
04:47were all clean.
04:48But everything on the sides of his face was covered in blood spatter.
04:54And nobody else was here at the house, right?
04:57No.
04:59Mr. Kramer had what we believed were defensive injuries on the tops of his arms and on his hands.
05:09We had to consider that Mr. Nuxall did this, or that somebody had come into the house and violently attacked
05:18Dave.
05:24Patrick also told the arriving officers that David actually lived with his brothers, Rusty and Glenn, but he had been
05:31in an altercation with his brothers that evening, and that's why he was staying at Patrick's house.
05:38That definitely made his brothers persons of interest.
05:41So one of the officers went over to the brothers' house to see if there was anything out of the
05:47ordinary there.
05:48When he got there, all the lights were off, the engines on the cars were cold, and he didn't have
05:54any indication that anyone had left that house.
06:03Rusty was visibly upset, very concerned.
06:07He said that he and David had been in an argument the night before.
06:14There was some pushing and shoving, but no fists were ever thrown by the way he was acting.
06:22There was nothing to indicate that he was involved in this crime.
06:27Mr. Kramer was close with his brothers, and they were devastated.
06:36Dave loved being out in the woods, lots of fishing, lots of camping, lots of hunting.
06:41He worked as a logger.
06:43They call them sawyers.
06:45He runs a chainsaw, cutting the trees down, and he would work in the most extreme conditions, and he didn't
06:50know anything else but to just work hard.
06:53He won a couple of the logging games.
06:56He'd come out with some trophies, and his dad, of course, is shining like ear to ear.
07:01There were a great family to be around.
07:04They were tight.
07:05If one didn't know something, the other one did.
07:08They helped each other, and Dave's family was the most important thing to him.
07:15Logging is a very stressful job.
07:19There were times that there wasn't a job to be found.
07:23Somebody else had stepped in and took over a job, so Dave had to lay back.
07:28David had been depressed as of late, but we found out that he had just started a new job, and
07:37Mr. Kramer was happy.
07:40This new job seemed to give him some hope, and he just seemed like he was in a better place
07:47in his life.
07:56The medical examiner determined that there were 103 blunt force trauma injuries on Mr. Kramer and 128 cuts and stab
08:08wounds, so 231 separate injuries.
08:13It was overkill.
08:17Dave was blinded.
08:19His vocal cords were cut, so he could not speak.
08:24He had fractures to his arms, hands, and fingers.
08:28There were chunks of the ceramic yard gnome in Dave Kramer's head.
08:33Also, there were big chunks of metal taken out of David Kramer's skull.
08:41It was like the perpetrator wanted to inflict the most pain, the most torture.
09:02The detective is going to be with you in just a couple of minutes, okay?
09:05Okay, let's have a seat.
09:07One of those two chairs.
09:08All right.
09:08All right.
09:10So we monitored Patrick while he was in the interview room through the closed-circuit cameras, and during that time,
09:18he actually fell asleep.
09:23It was a big red flag to me to see him sleeping in the interview room just a few short
09:29hours after, you know, he had found his friend dead.
09:32It's an indicator that he is extremely nervous.
09:36His body is just wanting to go away from this.
09:46Hey, Patrick.
09:49Yep.
09:50Yes, sir.
09:51All right.
09:51You want to hop over here in this chair for me for a little bit?
09:54Sure.
09:56I'm going to fell asleep on that guy.
09:58Yeah.
10:00That's all right.
10:01Well, we met up there.
10:02I'm Jason Levitt, a detective.
10:04So this is Sergeant Hill.
10:07You're not under arrest.
10:09But because we do want to talk to you, we ask you to let you know that these are your
10:13rights.
10:14So do you want to talk to us, give us your side of the story?
10:19Um, from my perspective, I don't have anything tied.
10:26Okay.
10:27I noticed a blood spatter on Patrick's body was going away.
10:32Yeah.
10:33Blood dries and blood flakes off.
10:36And if we waited too long to collect the blood, then it's gone forever.
10:41Uh, just hands first, I think.
10:43And so we have to document it as close to the crime happening as we can.
10:49There's a little bit right there.
10:52Let's go on now, the next one.
10:54I just bring you around on the emergency.
10:56Okay.
10:57I have blood on my forehead?
10:59A little bit, yeah.
11:01Okay.
11:01You want to pop your shirt off real quick?
11:03Yes, sir.
11:04Patrick was covered in his friend's blood.
11:07He had all different types of blood evidence on his person.
11:11Blood spatter, transference from a source, the blood spatter on his chest in particular
11:17looked like the walls that were surrounding Mr. Kramer at the scene.
11:20And so the amount of blood was not lining up with the incidental contact he was claiming
11:26that he had.
11:27Gotta get worried.
11:29When we started collecting the evidence off of his back, that's when Patrick started
11:34to get nervous.
11:35He knew that I suspected something.
11:38Holy shit.
11:39His story was he was asleep when this happened.
11:43How can someone who is asleep, lying down on a couch, have blood 360 degrees around their
11:49body?
11:50You guys are starting to scare me now.
11:53Starting to feel like a murder at the scene.
11:57Well, this don't make no sense to me at all.
12:09I don't understand.
12:11Well, I mean, that's, we do have a dead person, so I mean, we have to investigate, you know,
12:16that very thoroughly.
12:18That's how we do it.
12:20Can you turn it on one more time so I can get a picture of those?
12:24Yeah, I think it'd be a good idea to jump cognitively.
12:28Okay.
12:28Somehow, I feel this is all gone bad for me.
12:32You want us to keep collecting these?
12:36I don't really know what to do, man.
12:38All I did was wake up.
12:40And I'm gone, Dave, and now I feel like I'm going to go to prison.
12:44It was definitely a deflating moment.
12:46We don't get a statement from them.
12:48We don't get a confession.
12:49We don't get them locked in on their version of what happened.
12:52Here we go.
12:53And that is a really big piece of evidence that would be missing.
12:57I am in the police station right now.
13:00I'm not under arrest, but a friend of mine committed suicide in my house last night,
13:05and I would feel much safer with you on my side.
13:09I was so disappointed because nine times out of ten, that's it.
13:13We're done.
13:14Pretty good.
13:15Love it.
13:17You want to just have a seat and make yourself comfortable?
13:19Will that work for you?
13:20Yeah.
13:21Okay.
13:24God damn it, Dave.
13:25What the f*** did you do?
13:30I'm not fine.
13:34When his attorney arrived, we let them go into a conference room alone,
13:39and they had a conversation, and they came out,
13:41and they were going to continue with the interview.
13:45I was shocked.
13:47Having an attorney in the room, I've never done that before.
13:50So I just kind of eased forward and started this interrogation off really lightly.
14:01What can you tell me about what happened?
14:05Dave showed up at my house about 6.30.
14:12He was very upset and just got done having a battle with his brothers.
14:20Okay.
14:21And he was drinking vodka.
14:24He had drank about half a pint.
14:29And David was a talker.
14:32You couldn't watch the ear, listen to the radio when David was around because he was a talker.
14:40And he barked and screamed about his brothers like he always does.
14:45Was he loud or violent last night at all?
14:48Oh, he was loud from the minute he arrived.
14:51But that's just Dave.
14:53I mean, he wasn't violent.
14:54He was just upset about his brothers.
14:56Okay.
14:57Just sat there drinking his vodka.
14:59I took a couple swallows of vodka.
15:01I think six.
15:04And as the evening wore on, I just laid down on my couch.
15:11I sleep on the couch most of the time.
15:15And fell asleep.
15:17When I woke up, Dave was all bloody.
15:21The place was a mess.
15:23And I went over.
15:25I tried to hear his heart.
15:27I couldn't hear his heart.
15:28So I pounded on his chest a couple times.
15:32And I didn't know anything else to do but to call the unit.
15:36Okay.
15:37So I did that right away.
15:39So you, what phone did you use to call?
15:43My cell phone.
15:44Okay.
15:44And where your cell phone is now?
15:47On the coffee table.
15:51Officers located the defendant's phone, which he used to call 911,
15:56supposedly minutes after he pounded on Dave's chest.
16:00If that was true, Patrick Nuxle would have had a significant amount of blood on his hands.
16:06But his cell phone did not have any blood on it at all.
16:11So his story did not match the physical evidence.
16:44So you used your cell phone and called 911.
16:45Oh, okay.
16:47When's the last time you talked about that?
16:49He'd been talking about it quite a bit.
16:52He'd been pretty bad depressed.
16:55Rusty and Glenn Kramer, Dave's brothers, had told police that recently Dave's mood had changed
17:01because he had just gotten a new job.
17:04And he was able to bring income into the house and take care of his brothers again.
17:09And so this story that he was depressed and suicidal just did not match what reality was.
17:17Were you in the house or outside the house when you called?
17:19I was in the house.
17:21Okay.
17:22And what did you do in the meantime while you were waiting for the police to show up?
17:29Did you go into the kitchen at all?
17:32Nothing.
17:32Okay.
17:33I pretty much just walked back and forth from the front door to Dave.
17:37Okay.
17:38He immediately answered with a qualifier right off the bat with pretty much.
17:42Pretty much just walked back and forth between the body and the door.
17:46And so that's telling me that he did something else.
17:49He just doesn't want to tell me what that was.
17:51Dave liked to drink, so he was drunk a lot.
17:54He didn't disturb anything.
17:56He didn't clean anything up.
17:58Just smoke and set up right away to the house.
18:04So, obviously, we've got some concerns about this incident.
18:16Dave has defensive wounds on his body and there's no way he could have done this to himself.
18:25So, someone had to have done this to Dave.
18:30It's not suicide.
18:34So, if you had any involvement, now would be the time to be honest, tell us the truth, and tell
18:45us what you know and what happened.
18:59Is it possible, Patrick, that you did something and you don't remember it?
19:05You got upset and you were intoxicated.
19:12Is there a possibility that you had done something and you still remember it?
19:17I would rather not incriminate myself here.
19:30It's tough to put it in words because Dave was a good friend.
19:35If I needed something to help, he'd come over and vice versa.
19:41The whole thing was just shocking.
19:43The first thing I figured was his brother, Rusty, was going to be just absolutely enraged.
19:50So, I went over, knocked on the door and talked to him.
19:54And Rusty looks at me and he says,
19:56Bob, I don't believe it.
19:59I don't believe this could happen.
20:11So, when you went to bed, or when you woke up, either one, where were you at on the couch?
20:18I was running on the couch when I went to sleep, with my feet facing west and my head facing
20:25east.
20:26So, your head was closest to Dave?
20:28Yes.
20:29Okay.
20:29The story Patrick gave us wasn't adding up.
20:33He stated he went to sleep on the couch.
20:36And the couch is about four to five feet away from where David Kramer's body was located.
20:43And closest to David's body was a pillow.
20:47It had blood spatter covering the entire pillow.
20:50That didn't make sense to me because if his head was on the pillow,
20:53there would have been a space with no blood spattering.
20:56I knew that there is no way that he was lying on the couch when David was killed.
21:04Um, I swear to God, I don't know how to make an explanation.
21:08You cleaned up.
21:10What?
21:11You cleaned up the house.
21:13You washed yourself.
21:15I've already seen evidence of that.
21:17From you, from your body, there's blood that's been cleaned up.
21:21You washed your face, except for behind your ears, except for your forehead, you weren't able to clean it back.
21:28And there's actually a bloody fingerprint on the kitchen sink.
21:32And I'm very confident that that'll be your fingerprint.
21:38And then you told me you walked back and forth between Dave and the front door until the police showed
21:42up.
21:42That's not true.
21:45Because you're in the kitchen.
21:48There's blood in the sink.
21:50There's blood in the sink.
21:52There's blood on the handle to the glass into the faucet.
21:57There's another knife.
21:59Where the sink is, there's the knife right to the left on the countertop.
22:02That looks like one of the knives that was used.
22:05That was in the living room next to Dave.
22:08Did you have two of those knives?
22:11I was a chef for quite a few years, so I've got a few big knives for more cutting meat.
22:18I have one big meat knife that has just kind of like a regular tip.
22:25And then I have a meat knife that has a hook on it.
22:29Okay.
22:30And is there like, is there some pieces of the knife that's kind of broken out?
22:36Little chips?
22:37Chips, yeah.
22:38Yeah, okay.
22:40I've used it for trimming trees.
22:42Is that your favorite knife?
22:44The one with the chips in it?
22:49Well, my, it's kind of a toss-up because my other meat knife has chips in it too.
22:55This one's the more, the hooked one is the more handy knife.
23:00For like, dice and onions, carrots, what is it, whatever.
23:05So, during the autopsy, there were big chunks of metal taken out of David Kramer's skull.
23:12And through forensic identification, they were matched to the knife that was in the kitchen on the counter.
23:19I mean, it's not like you intended to do something to him.
23:22Something happened that caused you to snap.
23:25And your friend is up there.
23:27He's your friend, right?
23:29And you need to tell us what happened.
23:30Speak for him.
23:31What happened, Patrick?
23:33Eric, I would gladly speak for him if I had the answers.
23:38You have the answers.
23:39You just don't want to tell us.
23:41This is not true.
23:43I'm not trying to hide anything from you guys.
23:46Your body says otherwise.
23:49David's body says otherwise.
23:51Everything in the house says otherwise.
23:54You need to start coming up with some answers.
23:57Let's hear it.
24:04Patrick had a safety blanket in the room, and that was his attorney.
24:07And so he would look at her and ask her for help.
24:11So I knew I had to come up with another tactic.
24:13And that's what I started saying.
24:15Was this maybe a self-defense type of a deal?
24:18To at least get him to admit that he had done something.
24:22Did they do something to you?
24:24Maybe you did something, and you just acted out of fear for yourself.
24:28Don't jump to speculation.
24:31Only tell what you know.
24:32Now's the time to tell the truth.
24:35I told you the truth.
24:36No, you haven't.
24:37You told us parts of the truth.
24:39You want to tell us what happened.
24:43It does look bad for you from our perspective
24:46because of what we're seeing and what you're saying,
24:49they're not matching up.
24:51It looks like you're lying.
24:52You're covering something up.
24:54Well, I can assure you that I'm not lying
24:57and I'm not trying to cover up.
24:59If there are things that I do not recall, I cannot recall.
25:04Here's the problem with that.
25:05You can remember everything that happened before.
25:08You can remember everything that happened after
25:10except you cleaning up and what happened to Dave.
25:16Pretty odd coincidence that you just forgot those two things
25:19but can remember everything else.
25:24I would simply want to know why you did it.
25:27I don't know.
25:29I would gladly tell you guys.
25:31I mean, I'm not trying to make a push for myself.
25:35My only explanation is that I blacked out on the block here.
25:40He realized the suicide story wasn't working
25:44and this was kind of a last-ditch effort for him
25:48to convince us that he wasn't involved.
25:53People want to forget things
25:54and don't want to talk about the things that they may have done
26:00but forgetting it and blacking out, those things don't happen.
26:04Do you remember what happened?
26:07I have a question.
26:08Do you have any questions about the history of blackouts?
26:11So would you like to ask that as well?
26:15Yes.
26:16I have a history of blackouts.
26:17Yeah.
26:18I know at all.
26:19Yeah.
26:20How many times did you blacked out and murdered somebody?
26:26Just once.
26:38Look, Patrick.
26:40It's either murder or you're acting in self-defense.
26:43Because it's not suicide.
26:47That blood all over you.
26:50You have blood in your eyes, you have blood in your ears,
26:52you have blood in your hands, you have blood in your chest
26:54and stomach and your back, your socks,
26:56your pants.
26:58I mean, do you want to be known as the cold-blooded killer
27:01that could care less than about his friend?
27:05I don't like your attitude.
27:07We're trying to get the truth.
27:10If I did was to do something like that,
27:13I would have done it right.
27:14I would have cleaned up.
27:16We're not talking about speculation.
27:19We're talking about what you know.
27:21I have never had a murder suspect tell me how they would have committed a murder.
27:27When I ask someone if they did something and they're innocent of a crime,
27:31I get a strong no.
27:33I had nothing to do with this.
27:35No way.
27:35And so I found this extremely telling.
27:40He never denied killing David.
27:43Just tell us what happened, Patrick.
27:44That's all I want to know.
27:47I don't know, but you do.
27:50You do know.
27:51I can see it in your face.
27:52I can see it in your eyes.
27:53And I know you want to tell me, too.
27:56But you're afraid of what could happen.
27:59I understand that.
28:01Think about how do you want this to be presented.
28:04This is potentially going to end up in front of a jury.
28:07And the jury is not going to believe that you were lying on a couch two feet away from a
28:14guy who was hacked to pieces.
28:17This is about far until you're severed.
28:23I'm only going to listen to the truth.
28:28Patrick, what happened?
28:29Was it because he was loud and yelling at you?
28:32And you got irritated with him?
28:35Dave, why is he yelling?
28:37I don't know how to explain this.
28:41Okay, this is just a demonstration.
28:44Dave don't have to have any kind of thing going on to have him talk loud.
28:48He just talks loud all of the time.
28:52Is that what you said to him?
28:54No, no, no.
28:55No, I'm just, that's a demonstration.
28:57Dave, he has a projectile voice.
29:00He can reach you.
29:01They're not just his normal speaking voice.
29:04Yes.
29:06Okay.
29:06Yes.
29:07He's, he's loud.
29:10Yeah.
29:10He's embarrassingly loud.
29:12He just talks like he normally talks.
29:14He can drown out his stereo.
29:17No one disputes that Dave can get loud and likes to yell and holler.
29:21And I think that it's got to Patrick.
29:23I think he just upset him so much that he wanted to shut him up.
29:27All the damage on Dave's body was to his face.
29:31This was definitely a rage-filled personal attack.
29:37Okay, well, did you get irritated with the way he was yelling at you?
29:41Did something snap in you?
29:42Or were you just purely acting out of self-defense?
29:51I use long pauses.
29:52It's like a voice vacuum.
29:53They want to say something.
29:55They have to say something.
29:56They know I'm not going to do it.
30:00But what we're doing, it's just not getting anywhere with him.
30:03So that's when we started hitting him with the standard good cop, bad cop.
30:07We wanted to rattle him and see what would happen.
30:11You need to get this off your chest, Patrick.
30:13This is going to haunt you for the rest of your life.
30:15Plain and simple.
30:16If you're not going to super Dave, I guess I'm going to have to.
30:20And the way it looks to me is that you're dead in cold blood.
30:23You have blood all over you.
30:25You have blood all over your house.
30:26You have a dead friend in your living room on a chair.
30:29You have blood on the ceiling.
30:30You have blood on the floor.
30:31You have blood everywhere.
30:32Down the hallway, in the kitchen.
30:36What happened?
30:37Now is the time to tell us what happened.
30:39I'm tired of this.
30:40I don't know.
30:41I don't know.
30:42I don't know.
30:42You're not denying it.
30:44So let's hear it.
30:45I'm not going to sit there and make up for you.
30:48I don't want you to.
30:49I want you to tell me the truth.
30:50How hard is that?
30:52I told you the truth.
30:55I told you the truth.
30:56You didn't believe it.
30:58I can tell you the truth.
30:59You're here.
31:01I'm telling you everything that I know.
31:03You know what's that?
31:03There's no remorse.
31:05None.
31:07You had a dead friend in your house.
31:09Been murdered.
31:11You've known him for two years.
31:13He said you're good friends with him.
31:16And he didn't tell me that.
31:17It doesn't matter to you what happened to him.
31:19There's no remorse shown from you at all.
31:22Does that make any sense to you?
31:24Sure doesn't to me.
31:28Okay.
31:30We're done here.
31:40We gave you the opportunity, Patrick.
31:44You don't want to answer any more questions?
31:50Questions or accusations?
31:53At this point in the interview, we were getting more information from the team up at the crime scene.
31:59In the fireplace, they found a partial roll of paper towels that had been ripped off of the roll.
32:05And there was blood staining.
32:09It looked like someone had wiped their hands or wiped their face and then tossed it in the fireplace.
32:16You don't want to be in contact with the guys that were up at the house and how it looks
32:21like.
32:23Your fingerprint's going to be on the sink in blood, in Dave's blood.
32:31And paper towels in the fireplace.
32:34Paper towels you get through in the fireplace.
32:36It's going to have your DNA on them because you washed off of them.
32:42Your skin cells are going to get mixed in with Dave's.
32:47It is refreshing any memory.
32:52No, when you said paper towels, I remember that roll on the coffee table.
32:57Did he call you the email?
33:04No.
33:05You would think I heard whatever he called the red on the white paper towel.
33:09Right.
33:11I don't, I'm not seeing that at all.
33:14Well, I'm going to present it to you in a way you're going to feel like it's an accusation, though.
33:19Because I've got some issues with some marks on your hands.
33:25And then my question for you is, when we look at the evidence in this home, your home, the blood
33:36that is in the fireplace on those paper towels.
33:41Is your blood going to be mixed with Dave's blood in those paper towels?
33:47I knew that if his hands were on that paper towel, we were going to find a mixture of his
33:51blood and David's blood on it.
34:02So when you're washed up, your blood is going to be mixed in with the blood in those paper towels.
34:11Am I correct?
34:18From my perspective, there should be no bloody paper towels in the fireplace.
34:25Yeah, there are.
34:26There is.
34:35It felt like that was almost a confession in that moment.
34:39It clearly showed that they had gotten him sort of off his game to the extent where he was questioning
34:45his version of events at that time.
34:56I knew that was as close as I was going to get to a confession out of him, acknowledging that
35:01he might have done something and he hoped he didn't do it.
35:05I know he did this.
35:06He wants to talk about it.
35:08He wants to tell me, but he just can't get over that hurdle.
35:11Okay, well, I'll have you hanging out here for a little bit.
35:16The reason this interrogation was successful without an admission is because we got his story of what happened.
35:25And we can go back and we can prove to a jury all the lies that he told us.
35:30I wanted to know how the chips got into the knife that was in the kitchen.
35:34And he said he had taken that knife outside and chopped tree branches with it.
35:39And then we find those chips in Mr. Kramer's skull.
35:43He tells us the paper towel in the fireplace that he has no idea how that got there.
35:48But we ultimately later identified the mixture of his skin cells with Mr. Kramer's blood.
35:54So he washed himself off and he threw that in there.
35:57He made statements that he was sleeping right next to Mr. Kramer when this happened.
36:01The blood evidence on both Mr. Nuxle showed that he was not laying down when he got that blood on
36:07him.
36:07He was standing up.
36:08And the pillow that he supposedly was laying on had blood spatter on it as well,
36:12which showed that he could not have been laying there when Mr. Kramer was killed.
36:17Patrick Nuxle claimed that he never went into the kitchen.
36:20We were able to disprove that through DNA evidence, through fingerprint evidence.
36:26There was so much wet blood that it had smeared his fingerprints and palm prints that we found all around
36:32in the kitchen.
36:42Each time Patrick Nuxle sliced or cut or hit Dave Kramer with an object,
36:50that was 231 different decisions to kill.
36:54And that is one of the bases for premeditation.
36:59The evidence was overwhelming.
37:02Mr. Nuxle was the perpetrator of this crime.
37:05He says that he can't remember what happened,
37:08but I think it's that he doesn't want to remember what happened.
37:23A Lewiston man accused of stabbing his drinking buddy to death was in court today.
37:28Do you understand that you have the right to be speedy preliminary?
37:31Yes, I do.
37:32While the case was pending,
37:35I was contacted by several inmates at the Nez Perce County Jail
37:40who wanted to provide information against Patrick Nuxle.
37:43What did he say?
37:45He said that Dave got what he deserved.
37:58Were you housed with Patrick Nuxle or something?
38:04Patrick Nuxle had supposedly made statements about killing Dave Kramer
38:09to multiple people in the Nez Perce County Jail.
38:12So officers went and interviewed each of these inmates.
38:17I need to know what you know.
38:20Well, I know this.
38:21He admitted to it.
38:24I want to hear all this.
38:25I know what he said.
38:28And I'm not the only one who heard it.
38:30Okay.
38:31Hey, show the best pictures and stuff.
38:33Like crime scene photos?
38:35Yeah.
38:38And Nuxle's not a very good person.
38:41He's not a...
38:42I don't consider him, like, dangerous, like, in jail.
38:45He's not a fighter or anything like that.
38:47But, you know, when you're going around
38:49showing people pictures of your stuff,
38:51you gotta know more.
38:53You gotta know none of the other stuff.
38:57He was my roommate, and he's a real weird guy.
39:01Very weird.
39:02I got one of my magazines that had a knife in it,
39:04and he's like, he takes the picture out,
39:06and he wants to keep the picture of the knife.
39:08Oh, that's a nice one.
39:09Oh, man.
39:10I could really do some damage with that.
39:12Oh, man.
39:12I don't even know how to explain it to you.
39:14It was just...
39:15It's uncanny.
39:17He wanted to see all the pictures
39:20from his attorney,
39:22and he got them brought down.
39:25And he would sit there
39:27and go over the pictures with me.
39:28There was like 300 pictures.
39:31Autopsies.
39:32Crime scene photos.
39:34Everything.
39:37Did he tell you what happened that night?
39:41Yeah, he did.
39:41I mean, did he go through the whole thing with you?
39:44Yeah, he did.
39:45Let's see.
39:46Oh, the lawn gnome.
39:48Yeah.
39:49He told me all about that lawn gnome.
39:51What about the lawn gnome?
39:52The lawn gnome.
39:53He went outside and got it,
39:54and that's how he finally...
39:55That's how he got him shut up.
39:57Oh, and Dave was saying...
40:00Dave's last words were,
40:03stop, Pat, help, Pat, stop, Pat, help, Pat.
40:07He told me that's all he can hear
40:09in the back of his head is Dave's last words.
40:12Stop, Pat, help, Pat.
40:14Stop, Pat, help, Pat.
40:16And, uh, he was still talking, I guess.
40:20And then came the lawn gnome.
40:23And that's what, that's what finally got him to stop talking.
40:29The lawn gnome that had come from the defendant's front yard
40:32was never in any police report.
40:36There's no way that this inmate would have known that
40:39other than the fact that it would come from Patrick Nuxall.
40:43Prosecutors say Nuxall killed David Kramer,
40:46but the defense says someone else did.
40:49Today, the jury heard from Rusty Kramer, the victim's brother.
40:52Patrick Nuxall's defense was,
40:55he was trying to pin the blame on his brother, Rusty.
40:59You testified that you love your brother, Dave?
41:02Yes, I love my brother.
41:04Did you kill your brother, Dave?
41:06No, I did not.
41:07The state's theory of the case was that
41:09throughout the course of the night,
41:11Dave Kramer had embarrassed and angered Patrick Nuxall.
41:16During the interrogation, he mentioned several times
41:19that Dave was loud and boisterous and obnoxious and annoying
41:23and painted Dave in a negative light.
41:26He's embarrassing to me about it.
41:28He was just slowly getting angrier and angrier and angrier
41:32throughout the night because of the way Dave was acting.
41:36And he went into a rage and attacked Dave Kramer.
41:45At any point in this chain of events,
41:48the defendant could have stopped.
41:50He chose not to.
41:52He chose to continue with the murder
41:54and finally kill Dave Kramer.
41:56It took the jury just about four hours
42:00to come to this decision.
42:02Felony. Guilty.
42:04Patrick Nuxall did not show any emotion
42:06when the verdict was read.
42:09Mr. Nuxall is a selfish person.
42:13He's a coward.
42:14And I think that he just cannot take responsibility
42:18for what he did.
42:25It was a moment of justice and an opportunity
42:28for at least the brothers to start to get
42:30some level of closure on the case.
42:33Dave Kramer was a very important part of his family
42:36and he really devoted his life to making sure
42:39that they were all taken care of.
42:41I don't think there was anything David
42:43didn't try to help somebody with.
42:46That's one of the things that I remember almost best.
42:49Such a good dude.
42:51Took care of his family.
42:52Worked hard.
42:54Couldn't ask more for a good man like that.
42:57Probably one of the reasons.
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