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00:17On this episode of Predator Files.
00:20He's about to sentence a nude.
00:22Ariel finds a dangerous man online.
00:25He's 28.
00:2528, asking about if she's into older guys.
00:28Are you into age gaps?
00:30And a confrontation ensues.
00:32I'm her mom.
00:32Yeah, I'm her mom.
00:33You grimy s***.
00:35You want her to get dressed for you and call you daddy?
00:37Are you her f***ing father?
00:38And Maria transforms into Madeline.
00:41Shoulders up, arch back.
00:42A new decoy being trafficked.
00:44Just come on tight.
00:45From state to state.
00:47Are you beautiful?
00:49No, are you?
00:51But when the John gets suspicious.
00:53Backing out.
00:53Backing out.
00:54He's leaving.
00:55He makes a run for it.
00:56He's headed south.
00:57I'm going to need another unit with me.
00:59I'm coming up right behind you.
01:01I created SOSA, a non-profit aimed at keeping kids safe from online sex abuse and human trafficking.
01:07Multiple times a year, my team and I conduct undercover operations.
01:11Get out of your vehicle now!
01:13Let me see your hands.
01:14Partnering with law enforcement, we identify and arrest the world's most dangerous perpetrators of sex abuse.
01:20Let's go!
01:21Get out of your vehicle!
01:22Gunpoint felony.
01:23Child prostitution.
01:27These are the Predator Files.
01:34It's the fifth day of our operation in Oklahoma, and a new ACM reaches out to Lindy, our 14-year
01:42-old decoy.
01:43He's 28.
01:44Okay, 28.
01:44Asking about if he wants to be, if she's into older guys.
01:49Yes.
01:49Are you into age gaps?
01:51He's extremely aggressive, making sexual advances, and also asking her to take pictures while she undresses.
02:07We are calling him the Dom.
02:13And he's talking about meeting, but he wants to get on a call first.
02:17So there's a guy that we are talking to on F***, and he was like, I want to come pick
02:23you up today.
02:23And he wants to call now?
02:25Right now.
02:25He said, no talk, just place the phone where I can see you, so you can go changing into your
02:31favorite clothes.
02:33It's a lot of obedience.
02:35But he also, he just wants to tell her to masturbate, or to show her genitals.
02:41He said, I won't talk either until you finish dressing in front of me.
02:44He is very demanding.
02:47If a perpetrator wants to meet, it's on us to take the call.
02:50But his desire for nudity undoubtedly puts first-time decoy Maria in a difficult situation.
02:58That's a big-ass memory.
02:59Because he's going to ask her to get naked, and he's going to ask her how to resolve it.
03:02I don't know if she can stay put off in a way that's funny.
03:04I don't think, I am not convinced he's local.
03:07I'm not convinced he's local.
03:08I am not convinced he's local.
03:09The Dom says he is in Oklahoma, but refuses to give a specific location.
03:14And I don't know how they're going to get that information.
03:16And a closer look at his behavior brings doubt to his claims.
03:20Namely, he doesn't use the American spelling of words like color.
03:24If the Dom is contacting our decoy Lindy from another state or country,
03:29bringing him to justice will be much more difficult.
03:32But there's always the chance he's nearby.
03:34It's on the team to find the truth.
03:37You've only done really tame calls so far.
03:39I think this is going to be a little more intense.
03:41Do you think that you can handle that?
03:43Yeah.
03:43You cannot show anything.
03:46Okay.
03:46And he's going to be very aggressive, I think.
03:51Based on what I read, I don't like it.
03:53Here's why I don't like it.
03:55I have no reason to believe he's actually in Oklahoma.
03:57I think he's doing some pretty aggressive daddy Dom type messaging.
04:03I think he's going to try to get you to get naked.
04:06And I think he's going to jerk off.
04:11I don't want you to have to go through this because he's going to take his dick out and
04:15look, these guys can get aggressive.
04:17I've been called racial slurs.
04:19These guys that like fetishize Asian women, they say horrific things.
04:23They get aggressive and mean.
04:25And I don't want you.
04:28I don't want to put you through that if we have fuck all on this guy.
04:32He hasn't broken the law yet.
04:33He's talked about sex a ton.
04:35Okay.
04:35Fucking her like a bunch.
04:36He just hasn't sent his dick.
04:38Do you want to do it?
04:40You don't have to do it.
04:41Well, can we get him?
04:43Can we?
04:43I don't know.
04:44There's a possibility that we take this call.
04:46He jerks off.
04:47He gets what he wants.
04:47And we never, we never find out who he is.
04:50We actually can't know until we get on the call.
04:52So you, it's either you experience it or you've got to do it.
04:55You don't, you don't, you don't have to do it.
04:57You actually don't have to.
04:58If he's some fucking guy out in Michigan that's trying to jerk off to a kid, what, who does that
05:03benefit?
05:04We're just giving him what he wants and then there is no justice.
05:07You have to go through that.
05:08He could be anywhere.
05:10And he won't give you an, he won't even give you an area, just Oklahoma.
05:13He could have at least lied and given you a county name.
05:17Well, I start communicating with him and I'm, I decide I'm going to find out, is he actually in Oklahoma?
05:22So I push a little, where are you really?
05:31You know, he said he's traveling, so he's only here for business.
05:34Is that what he's saying now?
05:35He said he was in Oklahoma in the beginning and he said that he could come pick her up today.
05:41He didn't say traveling for business.
05:43Is that what he's saying now?
05:45Okay.
05:47Interesting.
05:56This is where I said, where are you right now?
05:58He said it's somewhere classified.
06:00Come on.
06:01He just said somewhere classified, girl.
06:11Not today.
06:13I don't want Maria to do this call because I think we'd be sacrificing her for nothing in this case.
06:18Like, we have to all go through a lot.
06:20And, you know, there's a heavy burden on every decoy's shoulders.
06:24Let's talk about it.
06:25Hop on the call and talk to daddy.
06:27I just make a decision to, yeah, let's call him.
06:29And if I can't get him, can I scare him?
06:33If I scare him, does that keep him from doing this for a few days?
06:37Good enough for me.
06:43Do you think it's nice to talk to underage girls online?
06:46Do you think that's something you should be doing?
06:47I'm her mom.
06:48Am I her mom?
06:49Yeah, I'm her mom.
06:50Why are you talking to my daughter online?
06:52Why is she online?
06:53She's allowed to be online.
06:54Kids get to go online.
06:55You're the fucking adult.
06:56Why are you talking to my kid online?
06:58You want her to get dressed for you and call you daddy?
07:00Are you her fucking father?
07:03What the heck?
07:04That's you.
07:04That's you misbehaving.
07:06Oh, my daughter's misbehaving?
07:07I will find you.
07:09I will call the police.
07:11Go raise your daughter.
07:12Oh, really?
07:12You want me to go raise my daughter?
07:14You can't find someone your own age, so you have to go online and prey on kids?
07:17I have your IP address, your Snapchat username, and your fucking face.
07:27What's that accent?
07:30This dude isn't sitting in fucking somewhere.
07:33Yeah.
07:34I was happy to ramp up my anger for him.
07:38This guy deserves to be scared.
07:40He's going to shut down his house account immediately.
07:43Yeah.
07:44I'm so grateful that Ru was here and that she's here yelling for me and protecting me and that
07:52I have this much support.
07:53I'm five days in, I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm tired, but I'm also here looking at the SOSA team.
08:03They're busting their tails because they believe in the work, they believe in the mission,
08:08but you don't do this work and come out the other side completely unscathed.
08:29Later that night.
08:32All right, look alive.
08:37It's going to be this, back, this, and we're going to do over.
08:43We're going to do shoulders up, arch back.
08:46Okay.
08:47Though our decoys continue to receive messages from local ACMs, tonight, the sheriff's department
08:53has requested we place a new decoy online as they continue to battle the persistent issue
08:59of underage sex work.
09:00Here, to give you an idea, here's what other girls are posting.
09:03Last time SOSA was in Oklahoma, I played Jade, a 16-year-old sex worker.
09:09And then just one.
09:10Now Maria will play Madeline, a young girl being trafficked state to state.
09:16We post Madeline on local escort sites.
09:19It's up, we're up.
09:20We're up.
09:21Wow.
09:22And wait for contact.
09:35Just seconds later, an older man reaches out.
09:41But he's on the lookout for law enforcement.
09:44Are you a cop or something like that?
09:52Even when age is disclosed, instead of closing the chat, he asks for proof and explicit underage
09:59content.
10:00Uh, Maria, I need you.
10:02We need proof of life, please.
10:03Come up here.
10:04Right.
10:05Oh, it's you.
10:06Here.
10:06No, no.
10:06This way.
10:08This way.
10:13This way.
10:15This way.
10:30I think we got to scramble.
10:31Yeah?
10:32You just go over there and do it from there?
10:35Send me the address, baby.
10:36This is the guy that I'm communicating as the trafficker.
10:40Minutes after messaging in pursuit of sex from our underage decoy, an ACM we're calling
10:46the John is already being cagey.
10:49Any delay will be cause for suspicion.
10:56We are on our way to a motel where an ACM thinks he is meeting a trafficked child.
11:02Maria is the body of the trafficked girl, and I am the person that is selling the trafficked
11:09girl, but I'm also going to be the body stand-in while we're there.
11:12Uh, so there's a lot of moving parts.
11:16Okay, guys.
11:17We're here.
11:19The team pulls into the motel, but without a name, face, or vehicle, we'll need to tread
11:26lightly.
11:29110203.
11:30So I'll be upstairs.
11:31Given how cautious he's being, the John could already be on site.
11:38From this point on, I will communicate as Madeline.
11:42And stand in for her from a distance.
11:49The John asks for a FaceTime.
11:51I need quiet, please.
11:52I need to call this guy.
11:53But I was planning to stand in from afar, not on a video call.
11:57Hello?
11:58Hey, baby.
11:59Hey.
12:00Hey, are you here?
12:03Uh, I'm...
12:04I'm...
12:07No, are you?
12:09Yeah, no.
12:10Okay, yeah, come here, baby.
12:11I'm here.
12:13Uh, are you alone, or you got some boyfriend with you or something?
12:17No, it's just...
12:19Just...
12:19Just me now.
12:20No boyfriend, no pimp, nobody.
12:22Just me.
12:23Okay.
12:24I will be in the next 10 minutes, okay?
12:25Okay, bye.
12:27The John says he's 10 minutes out, but the team thinks he's already here.
12:32So we have a car that pulled up a couple minutes ago, and it's just been sitting there in front.
12:38Nobody's gotten in or out.
12:39So this might be our guy.
12:42We'll let Ru know I got good eyes on him, so if he gets out, I can call it.
12:50All right, I'm telling him room 203.
12:53Okay, we'll see if he gets out of the car.
12:55All right, message sent.
12:59He said his GPS said 5, but I think it might be that he's outside.
13:04Yeah, we're watching this car that pulled up, and nobody's exited yet.
13:09He's just sitting there.
13:13Could this car be our man?
13:15Or is the John really five minutes out?
13:18But then...
13:21A new arrival.
13:26Got one pulling in.
13:33He's parked underneath the, uh...
13:38That could be our guy.
13:40He's just sitting in his car right now.
13:44He's backing up.
13:48He's looking for the room.
13:50He's looking around.
13:54A potential suspect circles the parking lot.
13:57With an officer positioned in a vehicle, mere feet away.
14:01Is this the John looking for law enforcement?
14:05He just pulled up next to Chase.
14:22He said come outside.
14:24Hold on, we don't know if that's him or if it's the first car that pulled in.
14:32Hold on.
14:33He's backing up.
14:34Let's see if he comes towards the room.
14:37Okay, he's coming towards the...
14:39Nope.
14:40He's turning around.
14:43Yeah, he looks like he might be leaving.
14:46Let's see what he does.
14:51Pulled into the gas station across the street.
15:00He thinks there's a pimp outside.
15:02He said, uh, the pimps are outside.
15:06I think it's that car that pulled up with the dang headlights on.
15:09Yeah, they're just sitting there smoking cigarettes.
15:11They are not doing anything.
15:14They...
15:14Maybe they'll pull off?
15:16No, it's been sitting there for like 20 minutes.
15:20If the car parked downstairs is simply a bystander, then their presence is spooking the John.
15:26We could ask them to leave, but there's no telling how they'll react.
15:31And a scene in front of the motel will surely scare the John off.
15:40Hey, y'all.
15:41I got a customer coming, and they think you're my pimp, so they won't come.
15:44You think you can drive off so I can make some money tonight?
15:47Thank you so much.
15:48I appreciate y'all.
15:50They're pulling off.
15:52The parked car turns out to be a couple of teenagers smoking, and as they drive off, the John moves
15:59in.
16:00There he is.
16:00He's pulling out.
16:02All right, he's turning back towards the hotel.
16:05The John's reluctance to come up to the room appears to be less about the guilt of raping a 15
16:10-year-old girl
16:11and more about getting caught in a police sting or confronted by pimps.
16:15I'm just going to stand right out here.
16:18I'm at the car.
16:18I'm, like, on the edge.
16:20Does he see?
16:20Is that him right there?
16:21Yep.
16:22He's turning in.
16:24All right.
16:24He spotted me.
16:27Has he said anything else?
16:28Yeah.
16:29He said, where are you?
16:30I'm here outside.
16:31And I said, I'm in room 203.
16:32Come upstairs.
16:33I was just outside.
16:35Yeah, because he hasn't got out of his car yet.
16:41I'm going to step out and wave.
16:48Okay, he's on me.
16:53Okay, and door's opening.
16:54Stepping out.
17:00Okay, I'm turning it down.
17:01John, he's coming to you.
17:03He's moving on the stairs.
17:05He's on the middle of the stairs texting.
17:10Where is he?
17:11Who's got eyes on him?
17:12He's on the middle of the stairs texting.
17:19He's going back to his car.
17:22He's spooked.
17:25Hello?
17:26Hey.
17:29He's getting back in.
17:31He's going.
17:31Is he driving away?
17:33No, he's sitting in his car.
17:36All right, dick chicken.
17:37I'm saying you're messing with me.
17:39I'll just book someone else.
17:41All right, he's backing out.
17:46We might be moving closer.
17:50All right, he's staring right at us.
17:56He wants me to come to his car.
17:59I was just going to say I don't do car dates.
18:01He said just come outside.
18:03Hold on a second.
18:04I already did that.
18:05I already did that.
18:06You dumb ****.
18:09Let me call him.
18:12Is that you in the car?
18:15I already did.
18:16I looked at you like five times.
18:19Look, I'm looking right at you.
18:22Are you coming?
18:25I'm not coming to your car.
18:26What did you try to kidnap me?
18:27No, I'm not going to my car.
18:28It's on the stairs.
18:29I'm not here.
18:30Okay, bye.
18:32Okay, I'm turning it down.
18:35Yeah, he's coming to you.
18:37But as I go to inform Lieutenant Cates of my conversation,
18:40I make a mistake
18:41and forget to hang up on my call with the John.
18:47Backing out.
18:49Backing out?
18:50He's leaving.
18:52Cates, do you want me to follow him?
18:54Slowly, let's see.
18:56Guys.
18:57I turned up the volume too soon.
18:59He had turned up the volume too soon.
19:01That's on me.
19:02As I switch back and forth
19:03between the phone used to talk to law enforcement
19:05and the one for the John,
19:07I make a mistake
19:08and the John hears me speaking to Lieutenant Cates.
19:12Now, he's leaving the scene.
19:15He's gone.
19:19But the team makes the decision
19:21to pursue.
19:25He's headed south.
19:27I'm going to need another unit with me.
19:29I'm coming up right behind you.
19:32All right, I'm at Vandermint.
19:33I think this is him in front of me.
19:37Yep, I'm behind him.
19:38Vandermint and Rancho Woody.
19:49Driver, turn your vehicle off.
19:52Turn your vehicle off.
19:57We've got our left hands.
19:59Reach out and open the door.
20:03Step out.
20:07Hands straight up.
20:10Walk straight back to my voice.
20:13Back.
20:15Back.
20:16Put your hands behind your back.
20:18Do not move.
20:19We need a rest.
20:20Yep.
20:23Front seat clear.
20:29I'm Lieutenant Cates with the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
20:33So you live over in Oklahoma City?
20:35Yes.
20:36What were you doing out here tonight?
20:39Bad decision.
20:41Bad decision?
20:43What decision was that?
20:45I look like a word for that.
20:47You don't have a word for it?
20:49Okay.
20:50Were you meeting somebody?
20:52No.
20:53I was driving around.
20:55Okay.
20:55Drove all the way out here.
20:57Just drive around from Oklahoma City?
21:02I don't see nothing right now.
21:03I need to speak with my lawyer.
21:05Okay.
21:06And that is your right, okay?
21:09But I am going to tell you, you are under arrest for the solicitation of an underaged.
21:16And I have the conversation.
21:20Okay?
21:21I know it was agreed upon.
21:23I'm going to step out.
21:24Okay?
21:27He's lawyered up.
21:28He does live in the city.
21:30Tried to claim he was just out here driving around.
21:34Of course, we know different.
21:37I'm sorry.
21:38I fucked up.
21:39It's okay.
21:41There was agreed upon amount for a 15-year-old.
21:45He showed up.
21:47He left.
21:48Came back again.
21:50Uh-huh.
21:51The intent is there.
21:52We have him for the prostitution.
21:55He did good.
21:58This guy was definitely concerned that her age meant that this could be a sting.
22:03At one point, you know, I'm juggling two phones.
22:06I turn up the signal too loud.
22:09And he hears voices.
22:11And that's when he gets in his car and pulls out.
22:13But at this point, he was already there to meet a child for a sec.
22:18You're right.
22:26I'm sûring you to own a theater.
22:28I think he lleva advantage.
22:28It's same for me as soon as you continue to look at the start.
22:32You're right.
22:33You're right.
22:33You're right.
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