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00:18On this episode of Predator Files...
00:21Oh my god! Shed! The grandfather! Let's go!
00:24A predator pursues our decoy, Summer.
00:27Look at your hair.
00:29And he's unlike anyone we've ever encountered.
00:32Who are these kids? That's his granddaughter.
00:35He looks like a sweet grandpa.
00:37Are your grandkids home?
00:39They're at their house.
00:40Do they have a name for you? What do they call you?
00:42They just call me Papa.
00:44What should I call you?
00:46Papa.
00:48Even when his identity is revealed...
00:50Look!
00:51That's him.
00:52...nothing prepares the team for the shock...
00:55Oh my god.
00:56...of who he turns out to be.
00:58He is at work right now.
01:00Here?
01:01Yes.
01:02Inside right now.
01:03Oh my god.
01:05I created SOSA, a non-profit aimed at keeping kids safe from online sex abuse and human trafficking.
01:12Multiple times a year, my team and I conduct undercover operations.
01:16Get out of your vehicle! Now!
01:18Let me see your hands!
01:19Partnering with law enforcement, we identify and arrest the world's most dangerous perpetrators of sex abuse.
01:25Get out of your vehicle!
01:26Get out of your vehicle!
01:26Gunpoint, Melanie.
01:27South prosecute.
01:33These are the Predator files.
01:38In 48 hours, some of us will be home, which means we do not have a lot of time.
01:43We're approaching the end of the operation, but I don't want us flagging.
01:47I want us to go strong to the end.
01:49There are plenty of people communicating with our decoys.
01:53It's Friday night, and while our team receives a multitude of messages, Max Decoy Summer is contacted by a much
02:01older man.
02:02His initial messages are benign, but still, he's a cause for concern.
02:09Yes, I mean, do you want to take a look at this?
02:11So, um, I'm talking with this much older guy.
02:15He hasn't given us an exact age, but he's got to be in his 60s.
02:20He's bald, gray mustache, lives with his wife.
02:25Oh, he mentioned he has three kids, and that they have grandkids.
02:31Oh my god!
02:32He looks like a sweet grandpa.
02:40After a few exchanges, the grandfather dispenses of the pleasantries, and begins his all-out assault on Summer.
02:49A man in his 60s, his abuse of a 15-year-old girl is unrelenting.
02:59At this point, I think he needs to move up on our priority list.
03:03I agree. We should tell Rue.
03:04Yeah.
03:07The grandfather is dangerous.
03:11Already, his messages with our 15-year-old decoy show the markings of serial behavior,
03:17and then he provides an odd detail.
03:21In efforts to hide his conversation with Summer, the grandfather has a shed in his backyard,
03:27where apparently he has clandestine conversations with young women.
03:39Ready, and go.
03:44Hey.
03:46How you doing?
03:47Pretty good. How about you?
03:50Not bad.
03:52Ah, the shed.
03:56Nice. Oh, cool. Wait, is that a motorcycle?
04:00Yeah.
04:01Stop. That's so cool.
04:02Can I see it?
04:06Wow, that's huge.
04:08That's it. Here it is.
04:10I like it.
04:12I love your hair.
04:15Isn't it so cute? I did it this morning.
04:17I put little ribbons in it, too.
04:18It's fun.
04:19You're just cute.
04:23Nice.
04:25Out of nowhere, the grandfather props up his phone and reveals an erection.
04:31The grandfather begins to masturbate in front of Summer.
04:36Oh my gosh.
04:38It's difficult, but Mac plays along with the grandfather's expectations of her.
04:43Oh my gosh.
04:44This is abuse, but all Mac can do for the moment is react in the way the grandfather wants her
04:50to.
04:50Our goal, as always, is to gain his trust so we can get his identity.
04:58Like that?
05:01With the grandfather clearly single-minded, we decide to take the opportunity to gain intel
05:07and to keep him from achieving his desired goal.
05:15Where's your wife?
05:18In the house.
05:20What do you think she's doing?
05:23Watching TV.
05:25Oh, nice.
05:29Wow.
05:31Are your kids home?
05:34No.
05:35Uh, grandkids?
05:38No.
05:40Huh.
05:41Where are they?
05:43Oh, they're at their house.
05:48Undeterred, the grandfather simply will not stop.
05:52But neither will we.
05:54Are they old?
05:55How old are they?
05:59Very young.
06:01Hmm.
06:01Like five and six.
06:03Hmm.
06:04Not only is the grandfather not forthcoming, but there seems to be almost nothing that will
06:10break his goal of abusing a 15-year-old girl.
06:14Do they have a name for you?
06:15What do they call you?
06:18Can you just call me Popo?
06:20What should I call you?
06:23You can call me anything you like.
06:26What would you like?
06:29I'm fine.
06:32Summer Lynn, are you home?
06:34Sorry, one second.
06:35Sorry.
06:36What are you doing?
06:38We don't need to see him jizz.
06:39That's...
06:40No, yeah.
06:48None of these guys.
06:50What's the problem with ACM is you're this old, is they don't have a lot of social media.
06:56I think what we need to do is have them active, all the different platforms.
07:01Predictably, the grandfather's online presence is minimal, but we decide to reach out to him
07:07on more traditional platforms.
07:10And he takes the bait.
07:12I think I have a surname.
07:13I think I have a surname.
07:14Take that back.
07:15Take that back.
07:15Oh, my God.
07:16And he just texted a snap.
07:18A break.
07:19The grandfather sends us a Snapchat message linked to a surname.
07:23All right, let's get into him.
07:24Well, this new name doesn't lead directly to the grandfather.
07:27I think this just tells us that he doesn't have a LinkedIn image.
07:30It does give us a potential new lead.
07:33Oh.
07:35I've got his wife's name.
07:39I'm going to look her up on Facebook.
07:43Why does the address that is linked to him come up as Domestic Crisis Center?
07:49National Correctional Officers League.
07:54But his wife works at a correctional center.
07:59A correctional center with direct access to an employee of a maximum security prison in
08:05Oklahoma.
08:06Is this how the grandfather learned to evade the law?
08:13Look.
08:14That's him.
08:19Who are these kids?
08:21Is that his granddaughter?
08:22That's his granddaughter.
08:23That was four, five years ago.
08:28She's got to be, what, 13 now?
08:32Rue.
08:33They are not safe for this man.
08:37Messages flood in from the grandfather.
08:41He becomes aggressive.
08:44Obsessive.
08:45And clearly is just beginning his pattern of abuse.
08:54The grandfather sends a video of himself masturbating to a 15-year-old girl.
09:02The sheriff's office expedites his arrest.
09:04We are driving to get the grandfather and we're going up early.
09:07This morning at around 6 a.m. I get a message from the grandfather.
09:11He is, you know, masturbating, he's self-gratifying.
09:15He also mentions that he's going to work and I ask what time he gets out and he gets out
09:19at 4.
09:19So that really changes our game plan for the day.
09:22So we're sort of preparing to, you know, be at his house, doing recon, ready for him to approach.
09:29That's enough time for us to go there, talk to the local PD, kind of get set up at his
09:34house, wait for him to come home and, you know, hopefully take him out in the driveway.
09:43So right now we are headed up to a town northwest of Canadian County.
09:47I do currently have a felony arrest warrant for him, for the Ludax with a minor.
09:53What's the over-under of him having?
09:55Weapons. Oh, hi.
09:56Especially in that shed?
09:57And even especially in the part of Oklahoma that we're headed to.
10:01It's very high possibility that there are multiple weapons inside the residence.
10:12Got to talk to the sheriff first.
10:14Lieutenant Cates heads inside, while CCSO has statewide jurisdiction.
10:20It's common courtesy to let local law enforcement know when an arrest is taking place in their county.
10:34Hold on.
10:36Hey, guy, get out of here.
10:37For a minute.
10:41I'll explain.
10:46Go ahead.
10:48Visibly distraught, Lieutenant Cates takes us to an adjacent parking lot with a shocking update.
10:56So he doesn't work for Woodward County.
10:59He works actually for the sheriff's office.
11:01He is a detention officer at work right now.
11:05Here.
11:05Yes.
11:06Inside right now.
11:12Was talking to their deputies and the sheriff and realized that he was actually a sheriff's office employee who was
11:21currently at work in their jail.
11:24Here.
11:24In the jail.
11:26Oh, my God.
11:28Of course, this changes everything.
11:30I no longer have to try to find him.
11:32I know exactly where he's at.
11:34So now we're waiting on the sheriff.
11:36Okay.
11:36To show back up.
11:37Were they shocked?
11:38Because it is his employees.
11:39Oh, very.
11:40God.
11:41When I told him, I thought it was a district employee and then actually told them the name, both of
11:49their faces.
11:50Oh, my gosh.
11:51I saw it.
11:51And they both knew exactly who I was talking about.
11:54Not only do they know who he is, but this ACM is currently in the building.
12:00Not only is he currently in the building, he's working in the building because he works for their jail.
12:05He had just messaged our decoy 90 minutes prior.
12:09Like, he's messaging Summer from the jail where he works.
12:12And here's the thing, too.
12:14Like, he's an officer.
12:15He's around people who are breaking the law.
12:18Like, this guy, if anyone knows better, this guy knows better.
12:23Our camera will stay in the car while Lieutenant Cates heads back into the jail to arrest one of their
12:29employees.
12:33Hey, yes, sir.
12:35Um, this is Lieutenant Cates with the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
12:38Is there anything I can talk to you for just a second?
12:41Okay.
12:44Go ahead and turn around for me.
12:47Put your hands behind your back.
12:51I have a felony arrest warrant for you, for Ludax with a minor, for the conversation you've been carrying on
12:58with my 14-year-old, Summer.
13:01What?
13:02Don't what me, okay?
13:03I have all the videos.
13:05I have everything recorded, including your masturbation videos.
13:13Do you have anything to say to your sheriff before I walk you out?
13:23I don't think there's anything I can say.
13:26Yeah, I don't think so either.
13:27Okay.
13:28Let's go.
13:34I'm going to go walk right over here to my white truck first.
13:37The sheriff and his entire staff worked with us great in being able to take our ACM, the grandfather, into
13:46custody.
13:47Without incident, he did give me permission to secure his cell phone device from his vehicle.
13:53Okay.
13:56You can't judge an entire department off of the actions of one.
14:00It doesn't matter if it's law enforcement, if it's bankers, if it's whoever.
14:05You're always going to have a bad seed somewhere.
14:09Shockingly, it turns out the grandfather is familiar with our show and even knows my name.
14:19I am Lieutenant Cates with the Canadian County Sheriff's Office.
14:22Yes, sir.
14:22I am the Internet Crimes Against Children's Investigator for Canadian County.
14:26You have the right to remain silent.
14:28Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
14:30You have a right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned.
14:34If you decide to make a statement, you may stop at any time.
14:37Do you understand each of these rights I have explained to you?
14:39Yes, sir.
14:40Have any of these rights in mind, you want to talk to me now?
14:44Yeah, I'll talk to you.
14:46Okay.
14:47What the f*** do you do for employment?
14:50Nothing, no.
14:52Well, what did you do?
14:53I worked at the Woodward County Jail.
14:55Okay.
14:56And what did you do for them?
14:58I was a jeller.
14:59Okay.
15:00And how long have you done that?
15:03Three, four years.
15:04Okay.
15:09So tell me about July of this year.
15:13You started a conversation with someone.
15:17Yes, sir.
15:18And how old did she tell you she was?
15:21I do not remember.
15:22Okay.
15:23But under the age of 18, do you remember that?
15:26No.
15:28Listen to me, okay?
15:29Yes, sir.
15:30I have everything, okay?
15:32I have y'all's full conversations.
15:34Okay.
15:34So the more honest you are with me now, the better it will be, okay?
15:39So let's try it again.
15:41How old did she tell you she was?
15:43Honestly, I do.
15:44Okay.
15:45But under the age of 18, you remember that part?
15:47I think so, yes, sir.
15:48Okay.
15:49Do you remember her name?
15:51No.
15:51Okay.
15:52What about Summer?
15:55Okay, I remember a Summer.
15:57Okay.
15:57No, like, I didn't think it was real.
16:01Why did you not think it was real?
16:03I thought I was on a, you know, a safer app, you know, somebody that kids couldn't get on.
16:09The grandfather is using the tried and true excuse of most predators.
16:13It was all pretend.
16:15Which app was it?
16:17Kick-up thing.
16:20So you saw her profile and you saw that there was a girl there who was underage, but yet you
16:28still thought it wasn't real?
16:30I just, I just was, I guess I convinced myself that there's no way that this could be real.
16:38It's just somebody pretending to be under 18.
16:42Okay.
16:43Um, does your wife know about your conversations?
16:48No.
16:49And how does she not know about it?
16:52Where would you conduct them at?
16:56Uh, out in your shed next to your motorcycle.
17:05Remember when I say I have everything, I have everything.
17:08Okay.
17:09When's the last time you talked to Summer?
17:17This morning.
17:19Okay.
17:20So, tell me about the masturbation video that you sent her this morning, you on your bed.
17:29I don't like, I, okay.
17:31So you did send that to her, right?
17:32Yes, sir.
17:33Okay.
17:33This morning.
17:34Yes, sir.
17:34At about six.
17:35Before you came to work.
17:37Okay.
17:39So, you see why we're here.
17:41Yes, sir.
17:42Okay.
17:42So, as I told you, I am going to show you now that I do have a felony warrant for
17:49your arrest
17:51for Ludax with a minor, for carrying on a conversation with what you believe to be a 15-year-old
17:58female.
18:01So, let me tell you what's going to happen, okay?
18:05I'm going to do a full forensic of your phone, okay?
18:08Um, how much am I going to find on your phone, stored?
18:14Well, you're going to find a lot, but it's not the only person I was talking to you.
18:21Right.
18:21So, were you talking to other underage girls?
18:24God, I hope not.
18:27I mean, as far as I know, that was the only one.
18:31Do you have any questions of me before we get going?
18:35So, where are we going?
18:36To Canadian County.
18:37That's down on the west side of Oklahoma City.
18:40Holy fuck.
18:41When you were talking to her when she was in Yukon,
18:45then you wouldn't drive down because you couldn't get away from your wife?
18:49Do you have kids?
18:50Yes, sir.
18:51Do you have grandkids?
18:51Yes, sir.
18:52How old are they?
18:5411, 12.
18:55Okay.
18:56So, how would you feel about a 30, 40, 50, 60-year-old male carrying on the conversation with her
19:00that you carried on with this 15-year-old and sending her videos of himself masturbating?
19:07I would appreciate it.
19:09Exactly.
19:09And yet, I really didn't believe she was.
19:15At no time did she ever give you any inclination that she was not that age.
19:20She told you repeatedly.
19:25And she also gave you some outs to stop the conversation.
19:29And you didn't take those either.
19:30You carried on.
19:32Up to even this morning, sending her another video.
19:38Imagine that being your granddaughter.
19:43And that guy doing that to her.
19:48So, you see why I take this so serious?
19:51And why I'm here, all the way up here?
19:53Yeah.
19:54Yeah.
19:58What do you think your wife's going to think?
20:02Yeah.
20:05I'm pretty sure you're definitely going to bid divorce.
20:10I'll be certain of that.
20:14Stop it in the recording.
20:16Exiting.
20:27This was a good arrest because, you know, I feel like guys like the grandfather have been really enjoying, from
20:36the privacy of their own homes, from the privacy of their own phones, harming kids online.
20:42Guys like the grandfather do what they do for years unchecked.
20:48I'm not putting my hands on a kid.
20:52I'm not putting my hands on a kid.
20:53But it is abusive.
20:54It is incredibly harmful.
20:56We see that with, you know, survivors, with, you know, victims of sex abuse, whether that's online or hands-on.
21:02Online sex abuse is still real sex abuse.
21:06All right, what you got?
21:07One male, 10-15.
21:10All right, 10-15.
21:13You know, I'm glad we got him.
21:14And this guy has been hounding somewhere.
21:17Just constantly messaging her.
21:19Tonight, that phone's going to be quiet.
21:21Tomorrow morning, that phone's going to be quiet.
21:23And we're glad for that.
21:24And we're going to be quiet.
21:38And we're going to be way carrot.
21:40And we're going to be quiet.
21:48And we're just going to be quiet.
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