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15:48Okay, Shona Murray, our NATO correspondent, thank you so much for that very comprehensive analysis.
15:53But now to another story that's making the rounds here in Brussels.
15:57The EU has stopped short of heeding a petition by over one million Europeans
16:01about banning unscientific conversion therapy,
16:05designed, of course, to change people's identity and sexual orientation.
16:08The UN is calling for a worldwide ban.
16:12Our EU correspondent, Angela Scugin, spoke exclusively to the EU Commissioner for Equality, Hadjil Abib.
16:18Yeah, it's a torture and it's a physical and psychological harassment that could lead to a deep depression or suicide.
16:27And that's why we need really to react and to combat these practices.
16:34And these young citizens who gather one million signatures succeed to create awareness.
16:41We've launched a study and we are going to organize to put into a place of forum for discussion between
16:48member states,
16:49between the commission.
16:50Already eight member states took the decision in their legislative national legislation to ban these practices.
16:59But we need to see all of them and we are going to encourage them and to show the path.
17:05And by taking this recommendation, we take a very strong stance.
17:11We need to see these practices banned in our union.
17:15But you just highlighted that eight member states have banned this.
17:19How are you going to convince the other dozens that haven't done this so far?
17:22What pressure are you going to put on them?
17:24By exchanging best practices, so we will show first of all that it is possible to ban no matter what
17:31is your political architecture.
17:35I mean, Germany has taken this bold step, Belgium, Spain, many countries.
17:41And three countries at least are monitoring, are willing to take this kind of decision.
17:51And I think we need to create more awareness because, frankly speaking, I met many ministers and a lot of
18:01them are not aware of what are these practices about.
18:05What happens if a member state does not accept this recommendation?
18:08What follows from the side of the commission?
18:12It's non-binding.
18:13This is a path that we choose because we didn't want to take, you know, decades of discussions like we
18:25are doing with the Equal Treatment Directive.
18:28So we prefer to build on the goodwill, on awareness and on the fact that if we need, if we
18:34still believe that our union is a union of freedom, of expression, of equality,
18:40we need to ban these practices.
18:46Angela Scutins there speaking to the Belgian EU Commissioner Hadja Labbi.
18:50And in case you missed it, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, he's back in the news again as French prosecutors
18:58are seeking a seven-year prison sentence for him
19:00for allegedly accepting illegal campaign contributions from the late Libyan dictator.
19:05A verdict is expected on November 30th.
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