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00:03From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news.
00:10This is The Daily Show with your host, Sean Stewart.
00:28Hey, everybody!
00:37Hi, everybody!
00:40Welcome! Welcome once again to The Daily Show.
00:44My name is Jon Stewart. Great show for you tonight.
00:46And I don't say that every time.
00:50Later on, we're going to be joined by a journalist.
00:52Josh Tiringal wrote a book about how AI can help solve the world's problems.
00:58And from what I understand, he wrote it with AI.
01:07But first, I want to check in on the president.
01:09You know, his approval rating is currently lower than really ever, I think.
01:14It's really, it's not, it's not good.
01:17Uh, really thanks to a combination of inflation and he's a dick and, uh, the war in Iran, the ongoing
01:26energy crisis in his own body.
01:34Weekend to Donny's.
01:36But as is always the case with Donald Trump, his MAGA base remains unfazed.
01:43Now, this week saw the formal dedication of a 22-foot gold statue of Trump at his Miami golf course
01:50by none other than evangelical pastor Mark Burns.
01:54Pastor Burns must have known that he might take some criticism for praying over a literal golden idol because he
02:01wrote on social media, quote,
02:03Let me be clear, this is not a golden calf.
02:09Mmm. No. Mmm. It is not.
02:16But if I may say, it is a full-grown cow.
02:21That is a, that is a golden cow.
02:27With a gold load in its, mmm.
02:31But I don't want to suggest this is actually a case of false idolatry.
02:35If it was, God would probably be punishing us the same way he did in the Bible with a plague.
02:44And I mean, that's not happening.
02:46Breaking tonight, the deadly outbreak of a rare rodent virus on board a cruise ship.
02:51The race to contain a suspected deadly virus outbreak.
02:54The public health threat so dangerous.
02:56Nightmare at sea.
02:58Cruise chaos.
02:59A cruise from hell.
03:12What?
03:14What?
03:16Another pandemic?
03:18Are we going to have to start washing our hands again?
03:22Or freaking the f*** out in a Target?
03:25Target?
03:26I'm not playing any more about the game.
03:29This shit's f***ing over.
03:31This shit's all f***ing over.
03:34This shit's f***ing over.
03:51Good times.
03:55Although I have to say, on the plus side, I can't believe I still fit into my old hazmat suit.
04:02Hey, quick question here, though.
04:05Are we all going to die?
04:07It's not like COVID.
04:08It's not like measles.
04:09It's not a very efficient transmission.
04:11The overall risk to the public is low.
04:13You don't need to be hysterical about it.
04:23I know we don't have to be hysterical about it.
04:27It's a choice.
04:30But you know what?
04:30It's a relief.
04:31I'm glad we don't have to be hysterical about it.
04:34COVID was a respiratory virus.
04:36Passes easily, often when the person isn't symptomatic.
04:38It was a brand new virus.
04:39We hadn't ever seen before, and we weren't allowed to know where it came from.
04:44I mean, we didn't know.
04:47We were obviously allowed to know.
04:50We just didn't know.
04:53Wink.
04:56While the Hantavirus is a known virus, it's difficult to transmit.
05:00It's mostly spread by rat infestation, which does raise the question,
05:04how did a cruise ship end up with Hantavirus on it?
05:11A husband and wife who were the first to be stricken with the so-called rat virus
05:15reportedly went birdwatching at a rat-infested landfill
05:19when their cruise ship was docked at a remote city in Argentina.
05:31I have some questions.
05:36It's going to walk down the list.
05:38A, what cruise line offers day trip landfill excursions?
05:53B, what birdwatcher wants to go to a landfill and spend the whole day going,
06:03uh, seagull, seagull, seagull, uh, oh, used condom?
06:17Ceroolean warbler?
06:20Uh, no, that's used condom, sorry.
06:24Seagull, vulture, seagull, condom, vulture-eating, seagull-eating condom.
06:32That's, but, in, in birdwatching lingo, that's known as a vulgoldom.
06:42A lot of, a lot of people serve that on the holidays.
06:47The point is, some people may get pretty sick.
06:50But forget COVID, this ain't no pandemic.
06:54Hell, this hantavirus, and not even in monkeypox territory.
06:58But I guess reality don't sell papers.
07:01So, boys, we learned that everything was okay on Tuesday.
07:05What are we doing Wednesday through Friday?
07:08The WHO has been vocal in saying this is not another pandemic or epidemic situation.
07:13Can they be so sure?
07:15Should people be worried?
07:16Is this another pandemic?
07:18Could the hantavirus mutate?
07:20People have a right to be nervous.
07:22You gotta fight!
07:24For your right!
07:27To be nervous!
07:31Yes.
07:33We might have a right to be nervous.
07:35But I guess the question the news might want to ask is, do we have a reason?
07:41And your assignment, news, should you choose to accept it, is to help the public discern the difference.
07:50So, may we hear from the experts again?
07:54The potential to spread beyond an outbreak is very small.
07:59Should be pretty limited.
08:00Should keep it contained.
08:01Shouldn't really have any concern at all.
08:03I have no concern about that.
08:06I guess it's going to stick this time.
08:08I want to make the timeline clear to everybody.
08:10Sunday, we found out hantavirus had been on a cruise ship.
08:15Monday through Thursday, expert upon expert, scientist upon scientist,
08:21very transparently explained why this illness, while a serious illness, is a low-level public health threat.
08:31Their words went a long way to easing the concerns of a curious public.
08:38And Lord knows, the news can't let that happen.
08:45So, on Friday, after three days of reinsurance, I give you Nightline.
08:52A dream vacation turning into a floating nightmare.
08:56Authorities are now working to stop the spread and track down passengers who've already left the ship, including to the
09:03U.S.
09:03The looming question, could this become the next pandemic?
09:07God damn it!
09:11They got me again!
09:14They got me again!
09:23I can't breathe in there.
09:25That's all.
09:26Oh, I was panicking.
09:28They got me again.
09:29And by the way, did you check out the percussion on that?
09:35Could this be the next pandemic?
09:40The question of whether it was going to be the next pandemic had been asked and answered for three days.
09:48But apparently that was before the authorities decided not to fire a torpedo and sink the cruise ship,
09:54burying its diseased passengers and cruise entertainers in a watery grave befitting their disease.
10:00That's right, folks.
10:01These people from this ship were going to be...
10:09...allowed to disembark.
10:11The deadly Hantavirus is no longer contained to that cruise ship.
10:15It is now literally flying around the world.
10:18Why'd they let them off the boat?
10:20Releasing them off the boat just creates new problems.
10:23Why did they get off the boat and then come back to America?
10:25How long, I think, people on the ship should be isolated before being allowed to leave and then, like, walk
10:30among us?
10:40Look, I don't think any of us are crazy about the idea of people who take cruises walking amongst us.
10:50I just don't think it's...
10:51I just don't think it's...
10:53And I respect that.
10:56But they're still people.
10:59They're just people who wanted to travel the world on a floating shopping mall they can throw their fiancée off.
11:08Look it up!
11:15Trust me, it's got a higher body count than the Hantavirus.
11:18Trust me.
11:22Look, I could be convinced to be on Team Sync'em all.
11:27But again, let's listen to the experts that the news people themselves have vetted to answer these questions responsibly.
11:36Dr. Rasmussen, do you have any concerns about the process of the passengers returning to their home countries?
11:42So, I don't actually have any concerns about this process from a scientific perspective,
11:46because I actually think that the process itself is completely suitable for this virus.
11:52No!
11:53Suitable for the virus, but not suitable, apparently, for this news cycle.
11:57The news experts say stay calm, but the news media says, no, I believe we prefer panic.
12:03Right now, we're in the port, where the ship won't even be allowed to dock.
12:06You can have a look at what this looks like.
12:09That is the MV Hondias.
12:11Those are the Americans finally on board that evacuation boat.
12:14You can see there's a small group of them being ferried back and forth.
12:17Helping ferry passengers off the ship and onto some smaller boats to land.
12:20Off of the ship, on these little boats that bring them here through a tent.
12:24Within minutes, they are on a bus headed straight for the airport.
12:28You're looking at a portion of a bus that looks similar to the ones that people have gotten on to.
12:37You're literally showing us a bus they're not on?
12:42You're just cutting to showing us what a bus looks like?
12:48Yes, Jim, the passengers are getting on, and I'm being told that the wheels on this bus go round and
12:53round.
12:57And they're about to get on a bus where the wheels go round and round, Jim.
13:01I see, and can you ask, will that be all through the town?
13:04I believe it will, Jim.
13:06I believe they will be going all through the town on the bus.
13:14They were treating it like the OJ chase.
13:16It was, that's the logistics of how you get from a boat to the f***ing shore.
13:21But don't worry, the news media's high-level technology gets us access we never could have gotten before.
13:27These images just coming in, those Americans getting on buses and waving before boarding their flights.
13:31Drone video from Spanish authorities capturing the first passengers leaving.
13:36Drone video!
13:39Spectacular!
13:39Such good use of drones!
13:43Ukraine uses theirs to defeat Russia!
13:46But good on you.
13:48I still have not learned enough.
13:50I mean, I know they've gone from a boat to a smaller boat to a tent to a bus,
13:53but at this point, I've somewhat lost the trail.
13:59Where will it end?
14:01Where will these who are supposedly to walk amongst us end up?
14:06Perhaps in a room?
14:09If so, what does the room look like?
14:13Is it furnished?
14:16If it has a bike, will that bike be stationary?
14:20Each person will have their own room,
14:22equipped with special ventilation systems,
14:24private bathrooms, exercise equipment, and Wi-Fi.
14:36Private bathrooms, exercise equipment, Wi-Fi.
14:42Oh, maybe we should all get the Hantavirus.
14:47It's actually not that luxurious.
14:49Only one of them will be given the password.
14:55Which I believe is lowercase Hantavirus,
14:57but the I is a one and the S is a dollar bill, y'all.
15:03Look, we are now eight days into this non-pandemic,
15:09and it's beginning to affect our Mother's Day coverage segues.
15:13It's a very happy Mother's Day to all you moms out there.
15:16This morning, that cruise ship hit by a deadly Hantavirus.
15:20The state of our union is calling our mom.
15:22This morning, 17 Americans are beginning a trip back to the U.S.
15:26Happy Mother's Day to all the moms watching.
15:27Let's kick this off.
15:29Pandemic panic.
15:38Happy Mother's Day!
15:41Happy Mother's Day!
15:42Tell your mom you love her,
15:44but also keep your eyes on her.
15:48Because you don't know if she's got it or not.
15:49And I've got to tell you this.
15:51If she turns,
15:53you know what you have to do.
15:57No tears, boy!
15:59No tears!
16:01She's not your mother anymore.
16:07She's more hunter than woman.
16:09She's more hunter than woman.
16:15No matter how many times
16:17the question can be asked and answered,
16:20it doesn't f***ing matter
16:23for some people.
16:25And sometimes,
16:26it's the same person.
16:29Does this have the markings of the next pandemic or no?
16:32No.
16:33Should we still not be sounding the alarm?
16:35I don't think we have to be
16:37very anxious about it.
16:39Should we be worried that we have an American
16:41here who's tested positive?
16:43No, it's a low risk to Americans.
16:45Should we still not be worried
16:46by this here in America?
16:48Correct.
16:48I don't think that this poses
16:49any risk to the general public.
16:51Jesus, lady!
16:55How badly do you just want to work from home?
16:59Just work from home!
17:00We're not all going to die!
17:03That's a good thing!
17:06Just zoom in!
17:07Jesus!
17:09Although it is important to note
17:10this virus can cause
17:12chronic fatigue syndrome,
17:14mostly amongst the experts
17:15who have to repeatedly answer
17:18the same questions.
17:21What is your message to Americans
17:23who are still scared?
17:26We have been repeating
17:27the same answer many times.
17:31This is not another COVID.
17:34And the risk to the public is low.
17:40So they shouldn't be scared
17:42and they shouldn't panic.
17:46You f***ing idiot.
17:51Well, that certainly should put an end to it.
17:56Unless...
17:57So, they shouldn't be scared
17:59and they shouldn't panic.
18:00And there is concern out there
18:02that more positive cases could pop up.
18:07So when they say,
18:08you shouldn't be scared,
18:09you hear,
18:10be scared!
18:12It's like they're all trying to recapture
18:14that pandemic ratings magic.
18:17Remember the old big screen body counts?
18:20All the ways they scared us?
18:21Well, the counts are back.
18:24Obviously, not as compelling.
18:27There's one person who tested positive.
18:30A separate person showed symptoms,
18:32but we don't have a positive test result
18:33for that person.
18:39One!
18:41One!
18:43One positive
18:44and one runny nose?
18:47What?
18:49Damn!
18:50This thing is spreading like...
18:52I don't know.
18:53What's something that doesn't spread?
18:55Cold butter?
18:56The legs of a prude?
18:58Mm.
19:01I could do this all day!
19:04So it's fine.
19:05It's not a thing.
19:07Go about your lives.
19:10Go on a cruise if you want.
19:12Meanwhile, a norovirus outbreak
19:14on board a different cruise ship.
19:16102 passengers,
19:1613 crew members
19:18are sick
19:18on the Caribbean princess.
19:23No!
19:25When we come back,
19:26Josh Tarendale!
19:27Don't go away!
19:44Welcome back to the B.A. Show.
19:45My guest tonight is a staff writer
19:47at The Atlantic,
19:50author of a new book,
19:51AI for Good,
19:52How Real People Are Using Artificial Intelligence
19:54to Fix Things That Matter.
19:55Please welcome to the program,
19:56Josh Tarendale!
20:03Josh Tarendale!
20:07How are you?
20:09How are you?
20:10I'm good, thanks.
20:12This is...
20:12Listen,
20:13you have taken on a task.
20:15AI for good.
20:16AI is reputationally right now
20:19in the country,
20:20maybe in the world.
20:21People are
20:24very concerned.
20:25It is...
20:26I saw it booed
20:27at a graduation speech.
20:29The valedictorian said something
20:30about AI being
20:31the new industrial revolution
20:32and the kids
20:33literally
20:34just wanted to go up on stage
20:36and drag her out.
20:38Why take up the mantle of it
20:40to show...
20:41to take down the temperature?
20:43Yeah, I mean,
20:43I didn't do that intentionally.
20:45I was reporting on AI
20:46and a couple months
20:48into reporting,
20:48this is early 2024,
20:50I was like,
20:52what the hell
20:53is this good for?
20:54Because I was talking
20:55to people who were telling me
20:56two things.
20:56One,
20:57it's going to cure cancer
20:59and mitigate climate change,
21:00okay?
21:01It's going to end
21:02human existence, right?
21:04And I was like,
21:05are those...
21:06are those the only two options?
21:08Like, is there anything
21:09in between?
21:10And so,
21:10I was actually talking
21:11to a guy
21:12named Danny Hillis
21:13who invented cloud computing
21:15and Danny's now
21:16in his 70s
21:17and he's kind of like
21:18the Buddha of Silicon Valley.
21:19Like, he's just
21:20this lovely guy
21:20and I'm complaining to him.
21:22I'm like, Danny,
21:23this is bullshit.
21:24Like, what is this good for?
21:25And Danny just laughs
21:26and he's like,
21:27you need to imagine
21:28the tech without
21:29the tech companies.
21:30And I was like,
21:32uh,
21:33I'm a little embarrassed
21:34that I didn't realize
21:35one could do that.
21:36Can one do that?
21:38One can.
21:38You can separate
21:39AI and the technology
21:42from Palantir
21:43and Altman and Musk.
21:45You can.
21:45And so,
21:46one thing that's
21:47really important to know
21:47is, like,
21:49AI is not one thing.
21:50So, there are many things
21:51that are infuriating
21:52about AI.
21:52Yes.
21:53But one of them
21:53is the term AI, okay?
21:55Yes.
21:55So, AI is actually
21:56a series of overlapping
21:58but different capabilities
22:00and techniques, right?
22:01So, uh,
22:03there's AI
22:03that can predict behavior
22:05from patterns it sees
22:06in data.
22:07Right.
22:07Okay?
22:08Those are the large
22:09language models
22:10or that's something different?
22:11There's a part of it
22:12that's large language
22:12but not entirely, right?
22:14There's classifiers
22:15and what classifiers
22:16can do is, like,
22:17uh,
22:19you know,
22:19tag an image,
22:20sort your email,
22:21flag a tumor
22:22on an MRI.
22:23Okay, let's use that one.
22:25Yeah, yeah.
22:25Exactly, right?
22:26Then there's optimizers
22:28and they work in logistics
22:29and they can change
22:30the direction of something
22:31or change pricing
22:32really quickly.
22:33And then there's
22:33gen AI,
22:34generative AI,
22:35which is really
22:36what has sparked
22:37this whole thing
22:38in the last three years
22:38and that's AI
22:40that generates words
22:40and images
22:41and can create code.
22:43And so what they all
22:44have in common
22:45is speed.
22:46They process information
22:48faster than any human being
22:49possibly could
22:50and with many fewer doubts.
22:53And so that's
22:54sort of the key.
22:55The lack of doubt.
22:57Both the speed
22:58and the lack of doubt.
22:59So what you do
22:59in the book,
23:00and I think you do it
23:00really well,
23:01is you show AI
23:03as a tool,
23:05whether it be in schools,
23:07there's a great chapter
23:08in there about some
23:09teachers in Indiana
23:10who are starting
23:11to use it
23:12with heart MRIs,
23:14which are apparently
23:15very difficult to get
23:16but are diagnostically
23:18superior,
23:21nonverbal humans
23:22that communicate
23:23and ways to help
23:24crack that code
23:25to bring those people in.
23:28But it's hard to imagine
23:30it will remain
23:32our assistant.
23:33Yeah, and I think
23:35what you're getting at
23:36is that we have all
23:39been focused on Gen AI
23:41and the people
23:42who are bringing it to us.
23:43Yes.
23:43And we're human beings,
23:44so we focus on human beings,
23:46which I think is very wise
23:47because the tech
23:47is complicated,
23:48and so what is the first
23:49thing we do?
23:50We assess the people
23:51who are bringing it to us.
23:52Right, who are in control
23:53of it.
23:53Who are in control of it,
23:54and we don't like them.
23:56Yeah.
23:58I didn't want to say anything,
23:59but thank you.
23:59No, no, no, it's fine.
24:00It's fine.
24:01By the way, hard to like.
24:03Hard to like, okay?
24:04Hard to like.
24:04I'm going to take
24:06a mildly unpopular stance
24:07and say I'm not sure
24:09they're necessarily evil,
24:10but they're very alike.
24:12They're very similar.
24:14Yes.
24:14And so they're all
24:15kind of like racing each other,
24:17obsessed with each other,
24:19intent on dominating.
24:20It doesn't help
24:22that they all kind of look
24:23like they could be
24:24in the Legion of Doom.
24:25Yes.
24:26Right?
24:26Like, you got the guy
24:28who wants to colonize Mars,
24:29the guy who flies
24:30into his secret bunker
24:31in Hawaii.
24:32None of that's great.
24:33You got a guy
24:34who literally had to pause
24:35when asked
24:36if humanity should continue.
24:38Right.
24:39Should humanity continue?
24:41And he was like,
24:41ooh, interesting question.
24:42Yeah.
24:44So, like,
24:46not great.
24:47No!
24:47Okay?
24:48But at the same time,
24:50there's more than one baby
24:51with this bathwater.
24:53There's a lot of possibility
24:54in here.
24:55Yes.
24:55And we want to be
24:55really careful
24:56in our response to that,
24:57which I think is actually
24:58a response to capitalism
25:00and a skepticism of capitalism
25:02with what this stuff
25:03can actually do.
25:05But it's also,
25:06we have been hurt before.
25:07But let me take you then,
25:08we keep saying,
25:09well, it is really
25:10these five guys
25:10in these five companies.
25:11It's Google, OpenAI,
25:15AIX, and Anthropic,
25:17and...
25:17Meta.
25:17Meta.
25:18Okay.
25:19Why did they get it?
25:20Why is it,
25:21why did all the profits of it?
25:23AI is, by necessity,
25:25a strip mining of us.
25:27Mm-hmm.
25:27It is, in fact, extractive
25:30in the way that oil companies,
25:31oil might be a resource.
25:33Right.
25:33And you extract it from the ground
25:34and they did it
25:35and, okay, that's theirs.
25:36But in Alaska,
25:37they get a dividend.
25:39Why does Palantir
25:41and OpenAI,
25:42and why do they get
25:45proprietary knowledge
25:46that is our knowledge
25:48that they stole from us
25:49that they used to make their,
25:51but they're the ones
25:52who get all the money?
25:53That makes no sense to me.
25:54Yeah, listen, I agree.
25:55And I actually think
25:56that, politically speaking,
25:58um, there's movement
26:00on the far left
26:01and on the far right
26:02for the federal government
26:04to essentially nationalize
26:05these products
26:06and basically say,
26:07look, you're gonna have
26:08tremendous amounts of control.
26:09We're gonna have
26:10all sorts of labor issues.
26:11Um, you know,
26:13and I did a story
26:14for The Atlantic
26:14about AI
26:15and the future of employment,
26:16right?
26:16Yes.
26:17Nobody in the middle
26:19knows what I'm talking about.
26:21They're not interested in AI.
26:23Right.
26:23Well, it's kind of
26:24on its way, right?
26:25The two people who said,
26:27uh, who agreed, right,
26:28on the left,
26:29Bernie Sanders said,
26:30we need to tax it,
26:32uh, we need a robot tax,
26:33we need a shorter work week,
26:35and we're gonna need
26:35to nationalize it, right?
26:36And so then I went
26:37to, uh, Steve Bannon's townhouse.
26:39I sat with Steve Bannon.
26:41What'd that smell like?
26:48Um, you know,
26:49we didn't get,
26:50we didn't get that close.
26:52Uh, this was not
26:54my first reporting trip,
26:55so I wasn't like,
26:56do we start by
26:57smelling each other?
26:59Um,
26:59I just thought
27:00it would be evidence.
27:01Yeah, no, no, no.
27:01All right, so, um,
27:02and so we're talking
27:03and he says,
27:05I agree with Bernie
27:07Sanders.
27:08Right.
27:09And he said,
27:09but he doesn't go far enough.
27:11I think we should get 50%,
27:13and I think we need
27:14to have government control
27:16over the boards
27:17of these companies.
27:18And he said,
27:19I know that's not gonna be
27:20popular with the right,
27:20but that's what I believe.
27:21Right, and he doesn't
27:22believe it either,
27:23is my guess,
27:24and he certainly doesn't
27:24believe it if a Democrat
27:26is in office.
27:26I think they, you know,
27:27it's very convenient
27:28for them to do
27:29the faux populism
27:31when it's really about,
27:32uh, about control.
27:34But I wouldn't even think
27:35it's that radical.
27:36It's the sense of,
27:37this is a resource.
27:39Look, the guys from AI
27:41are the ones who agree
27:42with you that this is going
27:44to be incredibly disruptive
27:45for labor.
27:47Mm-hmm.
27:47They're not,
27:48this isn't something
27:49that populists have made up.
27:51No.
27:51Dario from Anthropic
27:52has said,
27:53yeah, this is gonna be
27:54a bear.
27:55Yes.
27:56And what I found
27:57in my reporting
27:58on that story
27:58is that the people
28:00who really didn't
28:01want to talk about it
28:02were the Fortune 100 CEOs.
28:04Oh, that's interesting.
28:05Yeah.
28:05Now, why do you say that?
28:06What do you think
28:07that's about?
28:07I think it's two responses.
28:09Yeah.
28:09The first is they're
28:10actually really scared.
28:11Really scared.
28:12That it's going to come
28:13for them?
28:14They're scared that they look
28:15at their investments in AI
28:16and they know what
28:17Wall Street wants.
28:18Wall Street wants growth.
28:19And if they can't show growth
28:21through using AI
28:22in their products,
28:24they can grow
28:24by shrinking their workforce.
28:26And so,
28:27they are desperately afraid
28:29that that's something
28:30that they're gonna do
28:31and that it's gonna be
28:32really, really unpopular.
28:34And what I would say
28:34is, like,
28:35I was impressed.
28:36They were aware
28:36that they're not acting alone
28:38and that if all of them
28:39do this at the same time,
28:40the consequences
28:41for the country
28:41are gonna be enormous.
28:43However,
28:45if they don't do it,
28:46they're gonna be
28:46the ones out of a job
28:47because the street
28:48expects certain things
28:49from these public companies.
28:50So, they're incentivized
28:52to the breakdown
28:54of our social fabric
28:55through a great amount
28:57of unemployment.
28:59But the thing
29:00that I respond to
29:02is there's a sense
29:03of inevitability
29:04around all this
29:06as though we've created
29:07a tool that's
29:09unbelievably powerful,
29:10but we have no control
29:11over how it's deployed
29:13or how it's used.
29:14Imagine if atom bombs
29:16were controlled
29:17by five capitalists
29:18in Silicon Valley
29:19and we were all like,
29:20they're probably gonna
29:21start a war at some point,
29:22but what are you gonna do?
29:23Capitalism.
29:24Right.
29:25And so that's why
29:26I actually think
29:27it's really important
29:28to show people
29:29what the positive uses
29:31of AI are
29:32because we're gonna
29:33have this moment
29:34and it's not gonna
29:35last very long
29:36when we can demand
29:37and insist
29:38on certain kinds
29:39of AI in our lives.
29:41If we try to take on
29:42all of capitalism,
29:44I got bad news for you.
29:45Like, it's had
29:46a 400-year head start
29:47and that boulder
29:48is rolling down the hill
29:49and sometimes
29:50we've directed it
29:51and sometimes we haven't,
29:52but, like,
29:53I wouldn't take that on.
29:54I think right now
29:55we have this brief period
29:56where if we can understand
29:57what we want from it,
29:58how it works,
29:59how to use it in ways
30:01that it works
30:01with human beings
30:02and doesn't replace
30:03human beings,
30:04how it amplifies
30:05meaningful problems,
30:06doesn't create slop,
30:08we got a shot.
30:09And I would rather focus
30:10on the ways
30:11in which we have a shot
30:12than, as you say,
30:13like, hunker down,
30:14curl up in a ball
30:14and just be like,
30:15ah, it's over.
30:16But they're doing
30:17their best
30:18to prevent that process
30:19from happening.
30:20And as trillions
30:21get funneled
30:22into their coffers,
30:23millions get funneled
30:24back into politicians' coffers
30:26to prevent that very thing
30:28from happening.
30:28They've created
30:29a machine
30:31that prevents us
30:32and is opaque.
30:33And again,
30:34I go back to,
30:34but what is
30:35the fundamental driver
30:37of their product?
30:39Us.
30:39For sure.
30:41And so,
30:42I don't understand
30:43how we're not,
30:44we have no shareholder voice.
30:46Right.
30:46And I think,
30:47to me,
30:48that's why this moment matters.
30:50Right.
30:50We actually,
30:51and I hate to say this,
30:53No.
30:53We're going to have to use
30:54the political system
30:55to make change.
30:56Stop it.
30:56Stop your,
30:57wash your mouth out
30:58with soap and man.
31:01One source of optimism.
31:02So, up until,
31:03like,
31:04a week ago,
31:05I would have told you,
31:06well,
31:06that's just terrible,
31:07right?
31:08So,
31:08everybody's,
31:09the booing
31:10at graduations.
31:11Yeah.
31:11The fact that we're talking
31:12about this in such
31:13negative terms.
31:14So,
31:14for the first 14 months
31:16of the Trump chew,
31:18David,
31:18a guy named David Sachs
31:19was in charge of AI.
31:20He also was the crypto czar.
31:22I know.
31:22He also was an investor
31:24in all the AI companies.
31:25So,
31:25he's basically like,
31:26you know,
31:26the Cy Sperling of AI,
31:28right?
31:28He's the president,
31:29he's the investor.
31:30He stepped down
31:31about a month ago.
31:32And last week,
31:34you know,
31:34we reported,
31:35other people reported,
31:36the Trump administration
31:36is thinking of
31:37suddenly regulating
31:38AI models
31:39above a certain power.
31:41And I think they're doing that
31:42because they know
31:43if there is an AI-related disaster,
31:46you know,
31:47there's photos
31:47of all these guys
31:48cozying up to Donald Trump.
31:50At the inauguration.
31:50They finally realized that.
31:51At the inauguration,
31:52at dinners,
31:53and they're like,
31:53well,
31:54that's not great for us.
31:56Yes.
31:56And so,
31:56the political movement
31:57is having an impact.
31:59And at the same time
32:00as that's working,
32:01people are actually
32:02making their point of view heard.
32:04We do need to demand
32:06that the people
32:07we elect to Congress
32:08have used AI,
32:10know the basic functionality
32:12of technology.
32:13I'm sure they have.
32:14Oh,
32:14they all have.
32:15Yeah.
32:16I mean,
32:16they're all training
32:17their own models.
32:18What color tie
32:19makes voters
32:20most comfortable?
32:23So,
32:24so we do have that
32:25available to us.
32:26And I actually,
32:27for the first time,
32:28I'm like,
32:28oh,
32:29that lever is working
32:30a little bit.
32:30The problem is,
32:31again,
32:32I don't trust them
32:33to regulate it either
32:34because of the corrupt nature
32:35of their dealings.
32:36I mean,
32:36when your two kids
32:37suddenly have
32:38a multi-million dollar
32:41drone contract
32:42with the Pentagon
32:43and,
32:45like,
32:46they ran golf courses.
32:47Right.
32:47And you're like,
32:48I don't think
32:48that makes any sense.
32:49Like,
32:50the corruption endemic
32:51to this administration
32:52doesn't give you...
32:53We need to establish
32:55some form of,
32:57uh,
32:57a way to adjudicate it
32:59that is apolitical.
33:00Right.
33:01And more akin
33:03to a commission
33:05of trusted advisors.
33:08Yeah,
33:08and I think
33:09what's happening
33:09with the five guys,
33:10as we call them,
33:11in charge,
33:12is that I don't think
33:13anybody wants
33:13to own the disaster.
33:15Right?
33:15And I think
33:16the more unpopular
33:17this gets,
33:18there is more
33:19of an incentive
33:20for everybody
33:20to sit down
33:21and say,
33:21uh,
33:22how do we want
33:22to handle this?
33:23And by the way,
33:23I would include
33:24the Chinese in this.
33:25Right?
33:25From the beginning,
33:25we've been told,
33:26like,
33:27no, no, no,
33:27we have to beat
33:28the Chinese.
33:29That's why we can't
33:30regulate it.
33:30Right.
33:31Oh, that's so interesting.
33:32So,
33:33you think there's
33:33a self-preservation
33:34that has suddenly
33:35occurred to them
33:36that we're
33:37at the forefront?
33:37Because I was
33:38of the impression
33:39that they felt
33:41immune to the
33:43vagaries of accountability
33:44in our government
33:45and also in those
33:46Silicon Valley boardrooms.
33:48And I would not
33:49speak for them.
33:50I would only say
33:51the pressure
33:52has increased a lot.
33:53Right.
33:53The consequences
33:54have suddenly become
33:55much more clear
33:56of what failure
33:56looks like.
33:57Mm-hmm.
33:58So, I think
33:59there's a window here.
34:00Do I trust
34:01the Trump administration
34:01to push them
34:02through the window?
34:05No.
34:05No.
34:06No.
34:07No.
34:08No.
34:09No.
34:10No.
34:10No.
34:12No.
34:12No.
34:13No.
34:14No.
34:14No.
34:15No.
34:15No.
34:15No.
34:16No.
34:17No.
34:20No.
34:23No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:24No.
34:25No.
34:26let me ask you though because this is and this is a purely philosophical question because i
34:30understand the challenges that are ahead for us but i think as human beings on this earth
34:35the idea that we've designed something that's better than us throws into disarray our entire
34:45understanding of almost of even faith because what do we what have we said about god what do
34:52we say about the human eye well the human eye couldn't have been created unless it was created
34:57by something greater than us but we've just created something greater than us and we're less
35:05so does that mean does that change almost do they reckon with that i don't think they do but but
35:12want to get high and reckon with that
35:16but do you know what i mean yeah but like but how is it that a lesser being creates a
35:23better being
35:24but but i guess i look at it differently okay so remember a couple weeks ago the robot that beat
35:29that won the half marathon in china and everybody's and everybody's saying oh the robot beat the humans
35:33it's like that robot probably had 2 000 programmers and manufacturers who worked on it so 2 000 people
35:41in a robot won that half marathon in my mind you just blew oh hold on
35:49it's it's a great point i keep thinking of it as every iteration of it blows my mind more than
35:57the
35:58next and it's moving so quickly i'll tell you a quick story before we go i was at one of
36:04those
36:04like illuminati get-togethers like in the mountains of colorado like one of those things that you're
36:11like that doesn't happen but it happened it's it's always like a conference you know and they have
36:18like it's like big gates and musk and they're all in the room and there's a good amount of security
36:24and the food is fantastic uh and so i thought well i'll get a chance i go up to uh
36:32sam altman
36:33and these guys are always like you couldn't find a bag here like i was dressed nicer and that never
36:40happens you're literally like really corduroy come on dude um and i said the industrial revolution
36:49displaced the globalization displaced but all those took place over decades and america still
36:54and the world still didn't adjust to it in the same way ai may have that same level of displacement
37:01over three years yeah and and we can't in any way be prepared for that kind of disruption
37:09in that kind of time frame and i laid it out so beautifully josh i was sure that i was
37:16the one
37:16that he was going to be like let's get some coffee and talk and and what did he what did
37:21he say he
37:22goes uh we'll be good and then he walked away and i was like huh okay that sucked yeah sorry
37:41uh uh but thank you for wrestling with these questions man this is going to be this is going
37:46to be the book start to read how we can use this as a tool because you're going to need
37:50it
37:50ai for good available now josh teringo we're going to take a quick break we'll be right back
38:09that is our show for tonight but before we go we're going to check in with your host for the
38:13rest of the week mr jordan klepper jordan
38:19what do you got for us next week well john air travel is a mess gas prices are surging but
38:25don't
38:25worry transportation secretary sean duffy has a plan and you'll never guess what it is
38:32how about he's he's going to fix the problems even better he's launching a reality show
38:40road tripping with his family across america that's a very real thing he's doing and i can't
38:46wait for it this is the show that america needs yeah i think america needs really transportation
38:53to be fixed come on john don't you want to see if sean will be voted out of the minivan
39:00will
39:01one of his kids turn out to be cake will one lucky ice officer join him in the fantasy suite
39:08i mean
39:08tell me that's not something you want to watch on your seat back while your plane runs out of fuel
39:16wait what why is my plane running out of fuel well we'll find out in season two
39:23join in clapper everybody here it is your moment of death i want you as the medical professional to
39:28lay this out for people how concerned should the general public be yeah the risk to the general public
39:36remains really low um think of it this way covid was a wildfire it spread through the air people
39:42who did not have symptoms could still infect other people and the entire world was fuel for the covid
39:47virus hontavirus is like a wet log in a stone fireplace sorry
39:56virus hontavirus is like a wet log in a stone fireplace as the
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