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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:12I had a big win at the casino earlier.
00:14Faulty great!
00:15Oh, Al.
00:16I was wondering if you'd have a drink for me.
00:19I think I was raped last night.
00:21I used to put something in my drink.
00:22If he did do something, why would he drive you to a police station?
00:24Stop saying if!
00:27Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation
00:29has been closed down.
00:30It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:32So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:36He was taking me home for a fiver.
00:38I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:40The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:43If he did assault you,
00:44then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:47His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:51They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:53Just tell them not known at present.
00:56Because quite some time has passed,
00:58the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
01:03So how many times you've been out with this guy, then?
01:06Four?
01:06So pretty serious.
01:07Yeah, I like him.
01:10I have been informed, Layla,
01:11that the Crown Prosecution Service
01:13has declined to proceed with any charges.
01:16If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions,
01:19I can arrange for somebody to hand them over to you.
01:21You're going to need to hang on to them
01:22because one day you're going to need them as evidence
01:23when you realise you were wrong about me.
01:27I'd like to report a rape.
01:29He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:40Over there.
01:41He's a wee fat one.
01:42You see Mummy?
01:45Mummy, yeah.
01:46Who's that?
01:47Mummy!
01:48Hello, sweetheart.
01:49Look at that balloon.
01:51Hey, do you want her?
01:54Can I say hello to your baby brother?
01:57This is Lenny.
01:58Hello, Lenny.
01:59Can I touch him?
02:00Of course you can touch him again.
02:02Good boy.
02:06Oh, big grunts.
02:09How's it feel, Daddy?
02:12I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty.
02:16He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks lovely.
02:29You don't think...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:07Cheers.
03:10Cheers.
03:10No, no, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you.
03:15You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say, give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand, would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, yeah, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:11Hey.
04:13That's my husband.
04:14Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24He's really wasting my fucking size tonight.
04:28My team has now taken over this investigation, and the number of attacks we are investigating has now risen to
04:36five,
04:36after further searches of our database revealed another possibly linked sexual assault in June 2005.
04:44So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning with the object of making the women
04:50of London aware
04:51that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there driving a black cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00From what you've just told me, he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
05:03So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:13Routine?
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question, why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about other girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:04No, no, no, no, no!
06:05Stop it!
06:05You stay there in there!
06:06Hm?
06:09What are you doing, huh?
06:11What are you doing, huh?
06:38The key information is that we believe there is a black cab driver out there tricking women passengers into drinking
06:46a glass of champagne which he has drugged and then sexually assaulting those women.
06:52Now typically he tells them he's had a win at a casino or on the lottery and that he wants
06:57them to celebrate with him.
06:59Then he offers them the champagne.
07:02Now we have linked five cases so far but we believe there are more.
07:08Which is why we're asking anyone who recognises this method or any method similar to this to come forward and
07:14help us identify this man.
07:16You won't believe what he said to me this time.
07:18I thought he was joking right?
07:20But he says if I bought you a ring would you move in with me?
07:23And I'm like what type of ring?
07:25And then he says a friendship ring.
07:28What?
07:28Exactly, I said you can get lost mate, a friendship ring.
07:32Do you want me to be your housemate?
07:34Can I get veggie sausage please?
07:35He's taking the piss isn't he?
07:37Just the one?
07:38Yeah, thanks.
07:39Rachel.
07:41What's up?
07:44I need the supervisor.
07:47A nurse?
07:49Works at a haven centre.
07:51No, she said she saw the sun today.
07:53And in July of last year they dealt with a girl with an almost identical story.
07:58Driver said he'd one big at a casino, offered a champagne that she was convinced was corrupt.
08:01Well that's it, that's enough, six victims.
08:04Yeah, but the important bit is the cab was caught on CCTV at a university halls of residence.
08:09We've got a name and address for the driver.
08:12John.
08:13Derek.
08:14Warboys.
08:15Lives in Rotherhithe.
08:46And he'll see you next time again.
08:49what's all this about mate john war boys yeah i'm a police officer you come down and open the door
08:56please i've been out working all night what do you want come down and open the door
09:16what is it i'm derek wool boys i'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault
09:22between 2005 and 2008 you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defense if you
09:27do not mention my question something which you later rely on in court
09:35we're on the way back to something liquidy now house is being searched
09:39why didn't she flag dave the girl then has told us about yeah right i um i checked that out
09:47seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime so there's no criminal intelligence report
09:51in the system what it was only logged as a crime related incident
09:55but that's against protocol the starting point is that she should be believed
10:45suspect
10:46The suspect was arrested earlier today, so we are now asking any women who think they may have been attacked
10:52by this man to please come forward.
10:55They may well feel that something has happened to them, but might not be certain what.
11:00But it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior to get in touch with us as a matter of
11:06urgency.
11:07Do I admit making a mistake getting into the back with her?
11:12I could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at me.
11:20And what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared or vulnerable?
11:26I would say that they will be supported, that they will be listened to, and that they will be believed.
11:38I'd go to Khosmuri over Phuket every time. Every time. I mean, both in Thailand, but Hannah said she sold
11:44three holidays in Khosmuri in the last fortnight.
11:47What do you think of Khosmuri? Yeah? It's alright? I'm going there next year. Defo. Love Khosmuri.
11:55Oh, she swarmed me up though. Hannah, can you order some more A4? Can you get a coconut-scented candle?
12:01Can you go out and get me a coffee at Almond Milk, not dairy? I've actually got a question to
12:04ask you, Hannah.
12:05What's your man's bloody slave dial?
12:07Er, I'm sorry. I think I've forgotten something. You what?
12:10Erm, can you just... just tell Hannah I won't be a minute?
12:34It didn't even warn me. It's him, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.
12:43It is. It's him. It's exactly what he did to me.
12:49Why am I finding out about it from a newspaper? Oh, what the fuck? What the fuck am I supposed
12:55to do?
13:01Frankie, I'm just feeding the baby.
13:03Are you watching the news? What?
13:05Just turn the news on now. ICV.
13:08One second.
13:13Typically, he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery.
13:18Then he offers them a drink of champagne, which he has drugged.
13:22Most of the women who have so far come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after
13:28drinking the champagne.
13:31They, er, said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver.
13:34Mate, that's exactly how you said it happened.
13:37They wouldn't listen to me. I thought I was going mad.
13:42I know. You've got to call him, Sarah.
13:44No.
13:46Oh, I can't go through that again.
13:50What?
13:51Please just think about it.
13:54I haven't even told Dad what happened.
13:57I was told by a friend about the story in the Sun newspaper today, and when I read it, I
14:03knew straight away that this man had done something similar to me.
14:09Yes, it was in July of last year.
14:12I was told when my case was going to be closed down that one of your officers didn't think a
14:17black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fare.
14:20That is what was said to me.
14:23Look, what I want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the same man who attacked
14:28me last year.
14:29Can you at least tell me that, please?
14:31I can't.
14:32I don't need a name.
14:39Okay.
14:40Thank you very much.
14:41I've got to go now.
14:46It's the same man.
14:51A long time ago.
14:53Five years ago, before I met you.
14:59I was raped.
15:04But nobody believed me.
15:06The police didn't believe me.
15:09Not even Connor believed me.
15:14The man who did it, he's done it to other women too, and he's just been arrested.
15:23Camille.
15:23Um, I'm so sorry. I don't need to cuddle.
15:29They've put it behind me, and that's where it's going to stay.
15:33They've asked people to come forward, but I'm not going to.
15:39You have to go to the police, Sarah.
15:42It's enough.
15:43That I know after all these years that I was right.
15:47That that man did drug me.
15:50He did attack me.
15:53Beyond that, I don't want to waste any more of my life on him.
16:11Okay.
16:13Let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab in a sexual way.
16:19How do you respond to this?
16:21No comment.
16:22Mr Warboys will not be answering any of your questions tonight, as is his right.
16:25But he has prepared a statement, which he is prepared to read out to you now.
16:31Okay, John.
16:32Let's hear what you have to say.
16:49I am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me.
16:54I have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab, and I have also never administered any
17:01form of drug to a passenger, also whilst in my cab.
17:09I am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me, and offended that anyone would think
17:15that I, as a respected black cab driver, would be capable of behaving in this despicable manner.
17:26I'm completely innocent.
17:30Okay, John.
17:31You will be detained for further questioning, and we're also going to need some swabs and a DNA sample from
17:37you.
17:53It's been white hot all day.
17:55How many link cases?
17:57Forty-three.
17:59Forty-three.
18:01Forty-three.
18:01Positively linked.
18:02Same description, same modus operandi.
18:04And that number is only going to rise when the line's open again tomorrow.
18:07Forty-three?
18:08Yeah.
18:08I mean, forty-three.
18:12What is happening here?
18:36Forty-three.
18:48Just got to get all straight in my head before I call them.
18:52a cup of tea yeah please thank you
19:01I called him a lovely man
19:06he gave me a cigarette and I said he was a lovely man
19:14can't be that I fucking said that to him
19:18you're doing the right thing
19:29why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man
19:35very sorry about that why did I have to find out about it through the newspapers and the TV
19:40the answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint
19:45it seems they only recorded it as a crime related incident and not as a crime
19:53so your details and the details of the complaint were never properly in the system
19:58right
20:02right
20:05because you know they
20:08they didn't really believe anything that I said
20:10I'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation
20:12good
20:13because it appears that mistakes were clearly made
20:18to be told effectively that I was lying was devastating
20:25do you understand that
20:29absolutely devastating
20:33and I've had to live with that for the last five years
20:38my parents
20:40were devastated
20:41when I left uni
20:42but I've never told them
20:45or my brothers
20:47what happened to me
20:49because we're not that kind of family
20:50so when the police
20:51the only people
20:53that I thought would
20:57support me
20:58turn their backs on me
21:00that left me totally alone
21:01well if the CPS had reviewed the evidence in your case perhaps
21:04there might have been a different outcome
21:05but unfortunately that is
21:07wait wait sorry
21:09did you
21:11did you just say that the CPS did not review my case
21:16no
21:20I was told that the Crown Prosecution Service
21:24had looked at all the evidence
21:26and decided not to proceed
21:28which is why they closed the investigation
21:31in the first place
21:35no I can tell you that the CPS did not review the evidence in your case
21:40the decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it
21:48they lied to me
21:50I am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your achieving best evidence video
21:55or any of the items of clothing you told us about
21:59what
22:00none of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been
22:02in the evidence store
22:11I reckon they got rid of all my evidence
22:13when he was arrested
22:14because they knew it would make them look bad
22:16I don't know if that's the case
22:18I only hope that it isn't
22:20no I'm guessing they were looking for the classic date rape drugs such as rehypnol and didn't find any
22:25no no no but they told me that they found nothing like I was like I was lying
22:30like I was lying about being drugged that's
22:32the test showed diphenhydramine which is the active ingredient in nitro was found in your urine
22:37okay so if they'd have just asked me I could have told them that I've never knowingly taken that drug
22:45in my life
22:47there were drugs in my bloodstream
22:49yes
22:49citalopram
22:50codeine
22:52and morphine
22:53hang on I've never taken citala whatever it is my bloody life
22:57it's a prescription antidepressant
23:01never taken an antidepressant
23:03okay
23:03why didn't they tell me they found these things in my blood
23:07why didn't they tell me
23:11to feel like you're not being believed
23:14and then to find out they couldn't even be bothered to do their job properly
23:18I can't explain to you
23:27how angry
23:31and brutalized
23:34and bewildered I feel
23:40I would say that um
23:43based on just this conversation today
23:45you might have grounds for a formal complaint
23:49and if you like I could give you the
23:51the details of who to take that to
23:55and who would that be
23:57it's a body called the IPCC
24:01the Independent Police Complaints Commission
24:05yeah I've heard about them
24:08I work for a firm solicitors
24:12the IPCC it's made up of ex-police officers isn't it
24:15yeah
24:17so the police market their own homework
24:21I can tell you now they'll find that nobody did anything wrong
24:23they'll find that nobody did anything wrong
24:35they'll find it
24:36I'm sure
24:36the inside of their own
24:47that they need to be
24:47they're building
24:47the inside of their own
24:47the inside of their own
25:12Layla Mahmood.
25:39Carrie Simons.
25:43Sorry.
25:50That's him.
26:01Sarah Adams.
26:04Sarah Adams.
26:04Sarah Adams.
26:10Sarah Adams.
26:24Sarah Adams.
26:35Sarah Adams.
26:43Sarah Adams.
26:53Sarah Adams.
26:55Sarah Adams.
26:58Sarah Adams.
27:03Sarah Adams.
27:15Sarah Adams.
27:25Sarah Adams.
27:26Sarah Adams.
27:39Sarah Adams.
27:51Sarah Adams.
27:54Sarah Adams.
27:54Sarah Adams.
27:58Sarah Adams.
27:59Sarah Adams.
28:01I'm sorry for not believing you.
28:11Sarah Adams.
28:27I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
28:38That ah.
28:40And no one has killed me.
28:44All these women who'd gone through what I went through.
28:48who would have been sped if...
28:52if they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't blame yourself.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did. I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:03Sorry.
29:09You know what? Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy and...
29:17we've got Lenny and I.
29:20I thank God every day for him.
29:26But I should have still been here, Connor.
29:30Living with you.
29:32Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
29:36It should have been your wife.
29:39I loved you.
29:40I love you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:56But thank you for your apology.
29:59I accept it.
30:05Jack?
30:09Uh...
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:18See you on Monday.
30:20See you later, babe.
30:46We're going to proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
30:4914.
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54The CPS want to keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
31:04Okay.
31:05We want you to be one of the 14 and give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me?
31:11But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drugged,
31:36will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
31:59I said...
32:01I said...
32:02I said...
32:12Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
32:15The plan is...
32:16about 14 of the women are going to speak in court.
32:20But they won't be asking you to testify.
32:26Why?
32:27Well, the thing is, you...
32:28you didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
32:33It'd been a long time, and...
32:35he looked really different with me that night.
32:37Because so much evidence from your case has been lost.
32:40Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
32:45It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
32:52That's hard.
32:54Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye and tell everybody what he did to me.
33:00I wanted to have my moment in court.
33:04I wanted to look him in the eye and say, yeah, I'm sending you to prison, because that's where you
33:07belong.
33:11I know.
33:12I'm sorry, Sarah.
33:14I know.
33:14Sometimes, in these...
33:15these big cases, it's easy to overwhelm the jury.
33:19So, the strategy is to stick to the offences where we've been able to collect the most comprehensive evidence.
33:28And 14, is that enough?
33:30Well, the CPS are confident that this will give the trial judge enough ammunition to put him away for a
33:36long, long time.
33:44Mr. War Boys freely admits a good deal of the circumstances surrounding these events.
33:50For instance, he has always actively sought to engage female passengers in conversation in his taxi cab.
33:59Banter, as he calls it.
34:01And he sometimes did this by telling them, falsely, that he had won money that night through gambling,
34:09and by showing them a bag filled with cash.
34:12But he says this was simply a conversation starter, and his objective was not sexual, it was simply female company.
34:21It was an icebreaker in that respect.
34:25He is adamant that any sexual contact between him and any woman in his taxi was consensual.
34:33That it was non-penetrative, and that it was initiated by those women.
34:44No, I don't remember feeling scared that night.
34:47You didn't feel threatened by Mr. War Boys?
34:50No, I actually thought he came across as sort of pathetic.
34:53Not some sort of predatory monster, just a normal taxi driver engaging in some banter with you.
35:01I actually think that harmless demeanor is what makes him so dangerous.
35:06Precisely because he puts you off guard as he hands over his drinks from the front.
35:10He's like a... a professional conman.
35:14It's clear, would you agree, that your daughter had been drinking that night?
35:18A few drinks, correct.
35:21So I put it to you that it's reasonable to assume that she was intoxicated?
35:26I've never seen her intoxicated.
35:29She rarely drinks alcohol.
35:31She was in distress.
35:33She was insensible.
35:35She was like a rag doll.
35:37There was something else in her system.
35:39She was vomiting continuously.
35:43You don't get like she was that night, just from a few drinks.
35:57I swear by Allah that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth.
36:01The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
36:09Two large glasses of red wine.
36:13Yes.
36:15And you drank those.
36:17And then you go to the toilet and you are sick.
36:21Yes.
36:22I... I sometimes get nauseous when I'm on my period.
36:26But that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening,
36:29and you went back to your friends and carried on as normal.
36:33In your statement, you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade.
36:39Yes.
36:40And did your drinking stop there?
36:43Or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told us about?
36:48Not that I remember.
36:49Shortly after you got into his taxi, Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly.
36:56Maybe champagne, something like that.
36:59And you drank that too?
37:03Yes.
37:05Why?
37:06Because he forced me to.
37:10He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:12Oh, but he's driving. He's in the front of the cab.
37:14Yes, but he just... he kept persisting and persisting and persisting.
37:19But he can't actually force you to drink it, can he?
37:21Well, he forced me to take the pill.
37:23We'll come to that in a minute.
37:24My question to you is why you felt you had to drink that champagne when you were not obliged to.
37:33Because...
37:35He...
37:37He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:39Or is the reality that he was being a very chatty and personable taxi driver,
37:44engaging in some banter with you,
37:46who'd offered you a drink and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily?
37:52No.
37:54You say you remember him getting into the back of the cab with pills in his hand
38:00and that he forced one into your mouth, right?
38:03Yes.
38:04And what are you doing to resist?
38:10Well, I'm...
38:12I'm trying to...
38:14move him away from me.
38:16So you were perfectly able to struggle and resist?
38:19Yeah.
38:20But you don't mention struggling and resisting in your police statement.
38:24What happened?
38:28Well...
38:28If it's not there...
38:31It's not there.
38:31But I was...
38:32I was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne.
38:36And after the pill went down, your mind...
38:39is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter.
38:43Yes.
38:45So we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness.
38:52Yes, that's right.
38:53Well, I suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol before you got in Mr. Warboy's
38:59taxi.
38:59And that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat.
39:03Do you disagree with me?
39:04Yes.
39:05And you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off,
39:09or did or didn't have a lot to drink, or pretty much anything else that night, because you were so
39:13intoxicated.
39:29Layla.
39:30I just want to thank you for giving evidence.
39:32I don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty.
39:36I thought you held up really well in there.
39:38Did you?
39:39Yeah.
39:41Yeah, that was tough.
39:43Layla, can I get you anything? A cup of tea?
39:45No, thanks. I'd just like to go home.
39:47I'm Debbie from the police press office.
39:50I just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity and providing us with some media interviews.
39:55What?
39:56We just thought if someone could stand up, someone articulate like yourself,
40:00and talk about what had happened to you, this might encourage more women to come forward.
40:04No. No, I can't. I can't do that. I'm sorry.
40:08Maybe you've got the wrong person.
40:10Sorry.
40:27I'm sorry. I'm Sarah.
40:29Do I know you?
40:30I've been through exactly what you've been through.
40:33Have you got time for a coffee?
40:36I wanted to punch that fucking barrister in his stupid face.
40:42Like, why is it okay for him to make out I'm a liar?
40:46He was going through every tiny thing in your statement in minute detail just trying to find some little thing
40:51to pick away at.
40:52Why is that still happening?
40:53I was raging too. Just watch it.
40:56What is the point of this farce? He's fucking guilty.
41:00You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
41:04And with me there was so much stuff that they missed out in the first few weeks. It was just
41:08ridiculous.
41:10Yeah, but it's their own disciplinary people, isn't it? What's the point?
41:14I'm not talking about going through the IPCC. I want to make some proper noise. I'm looking into suing them.
41:21Suing?
41:24Yeah. There's a lawyer I've been put in touch with who might be prepared to take it on.
41:29She's called Harriet Wistrich. She's got a great reputation.
41:34But I can't do it by myself.
41:36I had a quick chat with her and she said it'd be a much stronger case if there was someone
41:40else who had been through the same thing.
41:42So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
41:48Well, yeah.
41:49Yeah.
41:50You don't have to make a decision.
41:53Yes.
41:54What?
41:55Yes.
41:56Let's sue the bastards.
41:58Oh.
41:59Great.
42:00Yeah.
42:20You developed and perfected a web of deceit that was sufficient to ensnare young, intelligent and sensible women who had
42:31enjoyed a night out and whose only mistake, as it turned out, was to get into your cab late at
42:37night.
42:39There is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm through the commission of further
42:46offences.
42:47I therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment for public protection, with a minimum custodial term of
42:56eight years.
43:14I wouldn't worry about the eight years. As I understand it, the judge had to give a number, but a
43:20parole board still has to decide if it's safe to release him. And I can't see that happening.
43:25Eight years did spook me a bit.
43:28Yeah, he's not getting out.
43:30Anyway, Carrie, thanks for agreeing to do some interviews.
43:33I think if someone like yourself, someone so articulate can stand up, then it will encourage more women to come
43:39forward.
43:40I'm nervous, but if it gives others a voice, it seems like the right thing to do.
43:44Thanks again.
43:45Yeah. I'll start to get some things set up, okay?
43:47Okay.
43:48Thanks, Carrie.
43:50What have you got to do?
43:52Oh, just some interviews about what happened to me. They need someone to waive their anonymity and be a focal
43:56point.
43:57My goodness, do you think that's a good idea? You're so young. Do you want this hanging over you?
44:02What? They said it's important that more people come forward.
44:09I'm just sick of us all being on the back foot, Mum.
44:16Could he really get out that soon? Because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me.
44:21Me too.
44:21Well, theoretically, yes. After eight years, he could apply for parole, but in order to do that, he'd first have
44:29to admit to what he's done.
44:30And his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent.
44:35Right, so not just a psycho. A fake psycho.
44:38So his position is 105 women have all just made it all up?
44:42It's up to 105 now.
44:44Well, I was told the actual number might be nearer 500.
44:48Is that correct?
44:49That's what the police said.
44:51So what do you think, Harriet?
44:53There's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered needlessly because the police didn't do their job properly.
44:59Because they shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
45:02Well, neither of you qualifies for legal aid, so you're asking me to take this on on a no-win,
45:07no-fee basis?
45:08I'm afraid we are, yeah.
45:12Okay.
45:13Firstly, the problem is you can't sue the police for negligence.
45:17Why not?
45:18The law states that if they could be sued, they wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly because they'd
45:21always be looking over the shoulder waiting for the next writ.
45:23It's just how the law is, I'm afraid.
45:28But my advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act and argue that the police's actions-
45:34Or inactions.
45:35Or inactions.
45:37Infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading treatment.
45:42Well, that exactly describes what happened to us.
45:45Yes.
45:46The only problem is that it's never been done before.
45:50And, um, in your case, Sarah, there is a statute of limitations issue.
45:55You must take an action within one year, and it's been five years since the police investigated your case.
46:00And in your case, Leila, they could argue that, however ineffective their initial investigation was,
46:05they did ultimately arrest the correct man.
46:08Shall we close the door on the way out, then?
46:10But the first thing I would do is I would contact the police and declare our intentions.
46:16Now, they will jump up and down, tell us we don't have a legal leg to stand on and that
46:19we're out of time,
46:20but they will have to disclose to us statements and other evidence.
46:26And I'm betting that will throw up some pretty interesting stuff.
46:33Oh, that's all.
46:34That's all.
47:00How could you do that?
47:01Hey, you can start out.
47:01Let's see.
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