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00:12Hello and welcome to Screen Babble, your guide to what to watch. We'll be tuning into hours
00:17and hours of TV so we can tell you what to switch on and what's to be avoided. I'm your
00:22host Kelly Crichton and as ever our resident TV critics Stephen Ross and Benjamin Jackson
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00:56tuned in before each week we'll be chatting about what we're watching as well as looking more closely
01:00at a new program or something making the headlines in the deep dive. This week Stephen brings us the
01:05much anticipated Masters of Air. Finally we go back to the future to tell you about a program we may
01:11have, you may have missed when it first aired our stream. This week Benji takes us to the wacky world
01:17of Twin Peaks, a cult classic for sure. But first we'd like to talk about what everyone has been
01:23watching recently. So Stephen over to you and magic. Stephen's got a new colour top on. It's
01:33because I was wearing such a nice brightly coloured. Yeah, I just thought the sort of colour palette
01:37on my end was a bit grey and washed out. So I've added a pop of colour. This is the
01:43only
01:43coloured item of clothing I own actually. Everything else is navy grey or black. You're bringing it.
01:50Okay, sorry. Over to you Stephen. Tell us what you've been watching. Yeah, so as I said last
01:55week I'd started the Apple TV free trial. Oh yeah. And I was hoping to milk it and watch a
02:01load of
02:01films on there. In the end because I was watching Masters of the Air for the deep dive, I didn't
02:08really get much chance. But I watched another Apple TV second world war drama and it was a movie
02:16again with a Tom Hanks connection called Greyhound. So Tom Hanks plays...
02:21What? Greyhound? Like a name? Greyhound. Greyhound.
02:24Greyhound, sorry. Greyhound. Okay. Which is the name of this, well I assume it's the name of the ship
02:29that they're on and Tom Hanks is the captain. Okay. And he's essentially trying to cross the Atlantic
02:35and his job is to help defend the sort of flotilla of allied ships as they're crossing the Atlantic
02:44through the U-boat, Peril and the German submarines. Okay.
02:50And I watched it with my friend and he's also quite, you know, discerning about movies and we
02:55both just thought it was for the first half laughably quite bad. And there's no like sound in the
03:02background, like someone just shouts through a doorway from outside the ship.
03:07Quite clearly.
03:07And you can just hear them. Yeah.
03:09And I said, I said to my friend, I said, the sound on this is, is terrible. And, and he
03:18said,
03:19he was just looking at his phone, he said, yeah, it won the Oscar for best sound.
03:23No.
03:24And like, I mean, maybe you should not...
03:27That is so random.
03:28I think it's only, you know how like when you notice something and then you can't stop noticing it.
03:32But I sort of thought, A, the sound is just terrible. Like it's very difficult to hear
03:36a lot of what they're saying because they're mumbling. And then the sound doesn't seem to make
03:41sense. And then also the like dramatic sounds like the Jaws music, that kind of thing just seemed very
03:48amateur and obvious and like, oh, something's about to happen now because it's going...
03:53Yeah, yeah.
03:54I thought this is amateur hour. And he was like, yeah, no, it won, won best sound.
03:58the second half was a lot better but i think tom hanks definitely phoned it in like it wasn't a
04:04strong weird like um the movie the it should have been another captain phillips and it just had
04:15none of the like emotion we we didn't care about any of the characters i don't think i could tell
04:20you any of their names none of them had any personalities it was it was pretty bad and it
04:25was one of the first apple tv original movies as well that's what i was going to say i feel
04:28like
04:29i have no knowledge of this thing whatsoever i've never heard of it so you know i think you might
04:35be on to the fact that it's a bit of a lemon what do you think benji have you heard
04:41of it
04:41i don't know i had a controversial that sounds kind of a little bored of tom hanks these days
04:47he's got it everywhere isn't he he's got his finger in so many pies it's like okay
04:51and at some point he's going to bump into another version of himself in all these world movies
04:56because he's been in every aspect of the second world war that's quite funny maybe you should
04:59write that film steven maybe you should do it it'll be a bit of a being john malkovich um
05:04spade off you could call it like big two big two cruise control
05:10okay so uh major avoid on greyhound and apple tv i'm sure lots of people will be avoiding because
05:15they won't have apple tv anyway but fair enough uh looking forward to hearing about masters vera in a
05:20a while though and i know you spend a lot of time watching that so cool okay benji tell us
05:25you've
05:25not been well so you've probably been doing a little bit more viewing than the rest of us tell
05:29us what have you been watching somewhat i mean when you have a man flu like like i've had you
05:36know
05:36yeah oh yeah you're one eye pairing underneath the cover drinking lem sip after lem sip um you you kind
05:43of get a bit feverish you kind of get a bit weird so uh my viewing habit was watching the
05:50entirety once
05:51again of my little pony friendship is magic that's just i can understand i got into it because um there
05:59was a documentary called the brony movie which just basically followed uh the whole subculture of
06:04bronies when it was peak kind of fandom back in like would have been late 2000s early 2010s and i
06:13went into the series thinking this this is just going to be childish and trivial uh no it's actually
06:22brilliant it was like old school simpsons that had like a bit of a morality play going on nice so
06:28i
06:29enjoyed re-watching that for anyone that wants to know how i watched it i'll out myself now i
06:34own it on dvd so benji i love it i brought it with me i brought it with i brought
06:40it over with
06:41me from new zealand along with my wife and my personal belongings i have to say i have such
06:46respect for your massive genre spanning likes like good for you um yeah and so hard recommend there so
06:55that's good especially if you're in okay definitely hard recommend you just need a bit of escapism and
07:00then on the flip side of that i ended up also making time to watch uh bob hoskins in the
07:05long
07:05good friday which was a 1980s british gangster movie that heavily influenced the genre i mean if
07:13you go and watch the long good friday which is basically about what effectively has become canary
07:20wharf in london in the 80s and a british mobster one of the you know with bob hoskins i want
07:25to get
07:25into the old uh the building game i'm tired of being a thug i just want to get and be
07:31in proper
07:31british and you know get into industry again and then you go watch rock and roller by guy ritchie
07:37which was basically about a british mobster who had his fingers in many pies regarding developments and
07:43that last scene in the taxi has been one that has been frequently and it's up there with how
07:52the untouchables the iconic scene with the pram that goes down the staircase and how that was
07:59borrowed from battleship potemkin there's my media course knowledge coming through there
08:04but it was one of those scenes that everybody has taken or derived from the whole i'm in the back
08:11of a
08:11taxi i'm in trouble and i've just got this contemplative look on my face yeah yeah sweet and
08:16um i love bob hoskins yeah i only knew bob hoskins through originally super mario brothers 2 yeah
08:24is he still alive yeah is he no no no he died he died 2017 or 14 okay but i
08:32remember going back to
08:33watching super mario interviews he did and i will always remember the classic comment of oh my uh son
08:40showed me he's just this character that jumps up now in a video game why once played king lear and
08:46that was the end of the interview so i love it i love it mario is king lear love it
08:51i'm on board for
08:52that okay so there's a bit of a segue there from um mario to i've not been watching anything
08:58particularly new this week just continuing with like the traitors and after the flood and true
09:01detective and all that so uh i'll chat about some of them next week but the oscar nominations came out
09:07since we last spoke and mario didn't get any oh yeah it didn't it didn't get animation which i am
09:17i'm pretty annoyed about to be honest were you upset about it as much as people are upset that
09:22barbie apparently is being slubbed apart from the fact that it's gotten eight nominations exactly and
09:28when i went on this morning to look at it and i was like well it's got loads of nominations
09:31and
09:31i know greta gerwig okay fair enough and margot robbie but like margot robbie's performance is
09:37like she's playing a doll you know it's not like can i just can i just interject and say that
09:43before
09:43so i was covering the oscars yesterday and i didn't care before i do now about an hour before
09:50the results i turned to my friend who actually is the friend that i watched greyhound with
09:54um and i said wouldn't it be strange if ryan gosling wins best supporting actor
10:01but margot robbie and greta gerwig both miss out on nominations yeah and he said haha yeah that
10:07would miss the entire point of and that happened um i i think i think greta gerwig's more of a
10:12snub
10:12than i agree that's what i was just about to say yeah yeah but i do you do sometimes think
10:18to an extent
10:19like because of the weight of the film margot robbie should have maybe got a nomination like
10:23martin scorsese got a nomination i'm glad america frere got hers because i thought she was really
10:29good in barbie and i felt like she was very overshadowed in the publicity you know and i
10:33thought she was actually quite a key character in it you know but anyway okay sorry like considering
10:38she was playing a doll she did properly put the work in for her like it was a pretty stonky
10:44performance i don't necessarily think she should have got a nomination but it is it's more that
10:50ryan gosling did and she didn't and i think greta gerwig was snubbed as well for uh in 2020 with
10:58little women and that was a whole thing back then so to potentially snubber again here is is an
11:04interesting one but um yeah oppenheimer has done very well yeah barbie's got what eight uh poor
11:17little things four things 11 killers of the flower moon got 10 yeah so they're dominating aren't they
11:24you know um but i think it's going to be interesting i'm hoping um killian murphy does the business but
11:29anyway we saltburn got none which yeah i think we were in agreement about weren't we a few weeks ago
11:36um but yeah so there was there was a little bit of controversy again not an awful lot of black
11:41women
11:41nominated um which seems to be an ongoing issue and um yeah but anyway it'll be interesting to see
11:48what happens in a few weeks time okay uh we will be back after the break with masters of air
11:54and twin peaks
12:04okay welcome back to part two where we're going to be talking about masters of air and twin peaks
12:10so stephen we're going to go to you now to talk about masters of air which um has been hotly
12:17hotly
12:17anticipated is it all it's cracked up to be you've watched all of it now fair play yeah so it's
12:23it's
12:23pretty good masters of the air it's a yeah um it's uh it's a successor series a spiritual successor
12:30to band of brothers which i guess is one of the very early super super prestige tv
12:38yeah um shows where tv shows basically became movie level experiences and now we have masters of
12:48the air which follows american fighters and bombers in the b-17 flying fortress planes uh flying missions
12:55over germany in occupied europe uh during the second world war from bases in in britain so you you have
13:03a
13:03bit you have a bit of the very stereotypical british characters in it who are not the villains
13:09obviously because they're the allies but they're sort of a bit snobby and very rp and
13:14um they don't come off too well which is fine you know i don't mind we we all know that
13:20that we
13:22sort of helped the americans out more than they helped us out so it's we can we can laugh at
13:27it
13:27when they when they come back at us right um yeah it's got a super duper cast this film so
13:34it's got
13:34austin butler who we now all know from elvis he he was sort of fairly fairly low level in in
13:41the uk until
13:42he did um once upon a time in hollywood and then elvis really sort of shot him to
13:49like mega stardom and masters of the air he he's great and he plays major gail cleveland who is
13:56one of the sort of main pilots that we follow uh and he he's cast alongside calum turner
14:05as john egan you have barry kern who plays biddick and one of my probably my favorite character
14:12anthony boyle plays crosby and crosby is a navigator and he's super nervous he gets air sick he doesn't
14:20have any faith in his own abilities and in the end it turns out that he's probably one of the
14:25best
14:25navigators they've got he's super like it he comes in clutch all the time and he keeps putting it down
14:32to look and just dying himself and he has a really nice development of uh the series he comes up
14:38against some real like bad luck and some unfortunate incidents but he's he's a great um character a real
14:45bit of in a turmoil as well um but it's the series is exec produced by steven spielberg and tom
14:53hanks
14:53who worked obviously together on the the probably definitive 90s world war 2 movie saving private ryan
15:01and then came together for band of brothers and the pacific um and it's got it it's i would say
15:07it's
15:08closer to band of brothers than than the pacific it's it's got a lot of insanely good action scenes
15:13is it a discreet series that is not going to go on is this there's not going to be future
15:17i imagine i imagine it'll be like band of brothers well no it won't go on because
15:21they the war is seen through in in the series okay so it'll be another band of brothers type
15:27show where it's the entire well a vast swathe of the war from this perspective i hope they do more
15:34i hope they come back with you know maybe an african campaign series or or what i would love
15:41to see is a is a um submarine series or like the the atlantic series where they're they're sort of
15:48manning the uh fright over the atlantic i think that would be fantastic um but yeah i heavily
15:56recommend this it's um yeah so it's a great great so people can get a week's free trial can't they
16:04of apple tv and binge it on if they want well yes you'll have to wait a little while though
16:09so it
16:09comes out on the 26th with the first two episodes and then it's weekly so if you wanted to watch
16:16it
16:16all with your free trial you probably want to watch wait till the end yeah the end in like march
16:20and then binge it all darn it um fair enough fair enough if you want to be on top of
16:28it you're
16:28gonna have to subscribe to apple for a few months um okay cool that sounds great i am actually looking
16:34forward to watching that and yeah god the cast is amazing isn't it so um that'll be great um
16:39great master severe thank you stephen right benji over to you we're going to talk about i mean like
16:46quite different tv series here and confession time i have never watched twin peaks
16:55well let me let me just break it down for you it's a nice simple tv series i mean i
17:01think everybody
17:01knows it though don't they everyone knows twin peaks they know what it's about they know names
17:05they know it's a cult it is a cult classic completely but it's like i've never i never
17:10actually sat i actually remember when it came out the first time 1990 what 19 what was it what was
17:18well it first aired on abc in 1990 okay and for those that perhaps aren't familiar with the series
17:27it's pretty simple it's about uh it's a almost like a crime procedural drama that's based around
17:34an fbi agent teaming up with a local sheriff to determine who killed the body of a woman called
17:41laura palmer hence the tag for the first season was who killed laura palmer uh and it takes its name
17:48from the coastline or the sleepy little lumbering town uh where the murder took place and is being
17:55solved which is twin peaks and uh yeah it's a fantastic show thanks for coming wait a minute
18:01it's a david lynch production though so there's more to it than that of course um yeah there is of
18:07course the cult and the fandom uh with it being david lynch it means that anything and everything
18:13could happen can happen so we're treated to uh agent dale cooper played by a regular collaborator
18:19with david lynch carl mclaughlin who was a dune and blue velvet um he uses a bunch of unorthodox
18:28methods including including spiritualism first nation mysticism uh to try and find out who or
18:36maybe not to spoil it too much what killed laura palmer and every cast member has their own little
18:44idiosyncrasies agent cooper sending memos on his recorder we never find out who he is talking to
18:52until a couple of seasons later um we have a audience surrogate i felt in the form of the local
19:01sheriff harry truman who is basically the straight man as opposed to all of the well-meaning but
19:07slightly odd town folks in twin peaks which mean i have to give a big shout out to um she
19:13died when
19:14the recording of uh twin peaks to return which was the third season that came out a couple of years
19:20ago
19:20um the log lady and i'm sure if you're not familiar with the log lady she was a character that
19:27used to
19:27around with a log and the log would actually be a conduit to the spirituality in twin peaks such as
19:33for
19:34example my log believes that it's a spirit that has killed laura palmer rather than anything else
19:40right it's a log the log for every reason it's a conduit not tarot card readings or anything like
19:47that but a log i really don't want to give too much away because much like cooper remarks in the
19:53diner in twin peaks about the cherry pie there's a damn fine television series that had a very damn
19:59fine prequel with fire walk with me which starred uh the late david bowie and the second season
20:06venturing more into the law actually killed laura palmer but it's brilliant you could i mean i haven't
20:13got too much time i could probably go into an entire podcast about twin peaks the whole mythos
20:20surrounding it and everything like that but you know unfortunately if you want to watch it it's on
20:25paramount plus so as subscription is required there might be a possibility that it might still be on
20:32sky atlantic which showed twin peaks the return when that first came out but i know for a fact
20:39all three seasons are on paramount plus okay and yeah i i can't do it justice within the five minutes
20:46to talk about it you have to go and see it even if you're not a lynch fan yeah lynchian
20:52is a word now
20:53in the cinematic universe that gets used a lot and twin peaks is definitive you know
21:00not offensive to the point where you i mean fire walk with me is a different story but
21:05yeah it's entry-level lynchian surrealism and it's fantastic i think it's worth saying that
21:11um probably nowadays we're a bit more used to sort of surrealism or sort of um otherworldly elements
21:20coming into sort of like normal tv programs or whatever you know yeah whereas he was one of the
21:26first people to do it he was one of the first people to be like what if this happened yeah
21:30i mean
21:30it's the only tv series i can recall where the opening episode both had the impactful reveal of
21:37laura palmer wrapped in plastic being found but that same episode having jack nance another frequent lynch
21:45collaborator because he was henry and a razorhead uh remarking oh there was a fish in the percolator
21:53so that's the kind of humor that lynch goes for the very stark but then very surreal um off the
22:00wall yeah
22:00but i think because of that it did become like it it must be the most cited tv program you
22:09know it's
22:10been referenced in everything yeah i mean when we yeah when we talked about the sopranos we talked
22:15about how the sopranos opened the doors for prestige television but i think perhaps we're not too kind
22:21on how twin peaks did that on a network which was abc which is the equivalent to maybe our itv
22:28channel
22:28four in america and the fact that he got they asked him to do a soap opera kind of like
22:35a crime drama and
22:36he got away with what david lynch thinks a soap opera should look like it's incredible and the
22:42the fact that he got away with those elements of surrealism of spiritualism and just absolute
22:49existential horror at times as well when you realize just exactly is unfolded and if you don't have time
22:55to dedicate to all three seasons the international version of the pilot acts as just basically a one
23:02done which gets confusing then if you watch it on some streaming services they will play the
23:11international pilot and then you get confused but this has all been solved why do they continue
23:17great great great cool okay thank you so much benji and thank you for joining us this week everyone do
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