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00:00What's up buddy?
00:02What's up brother?
00:03Appreciate you taking the time.
00:04I know you've been busy.
00:05Just have a conversation about how you felt
00:08and what going through stuff
00:09and also what that was like.
00:11You got it man.
00:12Alright.
00:13Good to see you bro.
00:14Goodbye.
00:14I'm Nick Lachey.
00:15Take one.
00:23We're not going to pay for anything.
00:25You're not getting paid.
00:26In fact you're not doing a set.
00:28There was a power issue here.
00:30And I said go get him and drag him out of there.
00:37Jamie and you take one mark.
00:39Is it okay if you can sit over?
00:41Here? Yeah, yeah.
00:41Yeah.
00:43Fame is an amazing thing.
00:44Are there other parts of it that you don't appreciate?
01:00Click.
01:03Today, what's important to you?
01:06What's important to me is family.
01:08I know that my sobriety is number one.
01:11It has to be.
01:12Otherwise there is no family.
01:14There is no anything without my sobriety.
01:17Back when you were 13, what was important to you back then?
01:24Family.
01:25I just wanted to make them proud.
01:27I wanted to do right by my family.
01:31That was like numero uno for me.
01:38With the Backstreet Boys, Nick, because he was 12, was always trying to compete in upstage.
01:44Because when they went out to the movies or dinner, Nick was too young.
01:49So Nick always got, oh, we'll see you tomorrow.
01:52Nick and I were still, we are still the two youngest.
01:54There really wasn't as much hanging out at the house as you would think.
01:57We would do rehearsals and some of us would go then hang at the house and play pool, go swimming,
02:04watch a movie.
02:09Nick being the youngest and Kevin being the oldest, they were always at each other.
02:13And I'll never forget one night in the studio because Nick wasn't hitting a note that Kevin thought he should
02:18hit.
02:19They got into it.
02:21He was a little skinny kid.
02:23He had a little mouth on him.
02:25Kevin was 5'11", probably 180, 590 pounds.
02:31It got to a point when I ended up grabbing Nick and taking him up to the roof.
02:35And that's when he told me, I want to quit.
02:37I'm out of this.
02:38I'm out of this.
02:42So what I told him was, don't hold back.
02:46Next time he comes at you, hit him.
02:49I just felt like the only way Kevin's going to stop that is you have to man up and show
02:54that you're not this little weak kid that he probably thinks you are.
02:58And a few months later, what happened again?
03:02And Kevin said something to him.
03:04And Nick punched him in the chest.
03:08There is this myth that female artists are always getting into catfights or fighting more than men.
03:16Boy bands are fighting too.
03:18Boy bands have drama too.
03:20Listen, I'd be lying if I was going to sit here and tell you every day is rosy and we
03:24don't ever have disagreements.
03:26But there's a difference in my mind of having a disagreement and being disrespectful.
03:31Because you only disrespect people you don't really care about.
03:34We fight and we have disagreements, but the worst thing you can do to another man is disrespect him.
03:41Everybody wants their respect.
03:44My name is Jeff Timmons.
03:45I am the founding member of a group called 98 Degrees, which started way back in the day, 1995, all
03:52the way back in Ohio.
03:54Where I'm from, it's all about football.
03:57I mean, when you're born, they literally at the hospital, if you're a boy, put a football in your crib.
04:03Nothing else is cool, no matter how good you are at it, whether it's theater or band or any of
04:08this kind of stuff.
04:09So I never thought I'd be in the entertainment business, although, you know, I always gravitated towards the arts.
04:15Our parents put us in, you know, choir and band and speech and debate and theater and music.
04:22The first time I heard Boyz II Men, I think I was either a junior or senior in high school
04:27and was in my basement and I heard It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday on Hot 92.3.
04:34Boyz II Men, they really had a lot of soul and R&B influence in their music.
04:41And, I mean, it was baby making music. There's no other way to put it.
04:45Ran over to the stereo and put my head down by the speaker and just listened to it, hung on
04:50every word, every sound, every sonic till it was over.
04:52And then immediately called the radio station all night long to hear it again. It moved me that much.
04:58And then I'm like, man, I think I can do a version of this one of these days. I didn't
05:02know how that would happen, but I felt like I could do it.
05:07I was with some guys I went to high school with. We were singing at a party, trying to impress
05:11some girls.
05:12When we started singing together, the people in our town, you know, it's a small town, so word was out
05:18quick that, you know, these former Maslin Tiger football players have started this group that's going to try to be
05:25like Boyz II Men.
05:26And we started becoming sort of the laughing stock of the town. Yeah, it was not good.
05:35So I talked these guys into moving to California because you didn't have the Internet, you didn't have American Idol,
05:41you didn't have TikTok, you didn't have any of these resources to get discovered.
05:46So you had to go to where the industry was. In our minds, it was L.A. or New York.
05:52But throughout that process, my guys from Ohio, they were getting homesick.
05:57You know, the odds are one in 55 million or something crazy of getting discovered and putting a record out.
06:03So those guys started getting discouraged. So I found myself struggling with them pretty much on a daily basis to
06:08keep them there.
06:09And then the other guys in my group went back to Ohio for vacation and they never came back.
06:16And I was blown. I was so discouraged.
06:20I might have to go back to Ohio to find a group.
06:25Then all of a sudden, somebody else from Ohio said, hey, man, you got to hear my boy Nick.
06:31My name is Nick Lachey. And I was in a band called, well, I shouldn't say I was in a
06:36band, I'm still in a band called 98 Degrees.
06:40When I was a young kid, I wasn't allowed to listen to secular music. So I listened to a lot
06:44of Christian rock.
06:46But then as I got into high school, I was exposed to a lot of different music.
06:50I listened to a lot of rap, a lot of R&B.
06:53I had an obnoxiously loud car stereo. I was one of those kids that had two big 12 inch subwoofers
06:59in the back of my very crappy Toyota Corolla.
07:03And I literally would set off car alarms. If I saw myself today, I'd want to kick my own ass
07:07because I was just that obnoxious.
07:09This guy, he passed along a tape that had Nick's voice on it.
07:13And I popped this tape in and I was like, whoa, what? Who is this guy? Is that him singing?
07:19Get him on the phone.
07:20So got on the phone with Nick, you know, gave him the whole spiel, although kind of told a few
07:25white lies in the process about the point we were.
07:28And he's like, sounds good, man. Sounds like a plan. I'm like, really?
07:33So then I said, well, what about Drew? My brother, you know, he can sing and, you know, we have
07:37a similar voice, you know, he'd be probably a good blend, you know.
07:40So yeah, what the heck, go get him.
07:42As soon as Drew showed up in L.A., it sounded perfect from the beginning in my mind.
07:50Touring's not easy. Their days are 18-hour days.
07:54Those boys would get up, do press at 7 a.m. in the morning, take a nap, eat lunch, go
07:59to the venue, soundcheck, show, meet and greet, do it all over again.
08:03Life on the road is not glamorous at all. People like, oh, I'd love to do what you do for
08:07a living.
08:08No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't last a day. In one given year, they might have done, I don't know, 170
08:15dates.
08:15First of all, it is an amazing thing. To have the ability to bring so much joy and happiness to
08:21people you may never know on a personal level, around the world, is a blessing. And I'm grateful.
08:30Drawbacks? Sure. Your life is no longer your own.
08:35I think I was probably more lenient on NSYNC than Backstreet Boys because I wanted to make sure that I
08:45maintained some control.
08:47The first time that I took them to Germany to do this pop Rocky show, all I wanted to do
08:55was to go do the show, leave and go back to the hotel.
08:59They had an after party. Kevin wanted to go to it. And I kept saying to him, I don't want
09:06you to go. I just, we did our thing. We shocked a lot of people. Let's just now go back
09:11to the hotel and move on.
09:13And he was adamant that I'm old enough to go to this party. I want to go. So he walked
09:19away from me and went into the party.
09:22So I looked at the two security guards and I said, go get him and drag him out of there.
09:28And they were like, what? And I said, go get him and drag him out of there.
09:35And at that point, it wasn't because I really didn't want him to be at the party. There was a
09:41power issue here. There was an agreement upon the group that we were going to leave and go back to
09:46the hotel.
09:48So I can't let you feel like you can just change the scenario without any repercussions from it.
09:55So he went, he spoke to him. Kevin said he wasn't coming. So he said, what do you want me
10:00to do? I said, go pick him up and drag him out here.
10:03And he said, you really want me to do that with all these people? I said, yeah.
10:12So the security guard went back and was able to have a conversation with them so that didn't have to
10:17happen. And Kevin came out and he was mad at me for two days.
10:22And I told him, like, you can't just defy what the movement of the group is. We have to move
10:27as a group.
10:28A coach of a basketball team, if you don't follow what they say, then it's never going to be successful.
10:34So that's kind of the way I looked at it.
10:38Let's not pretend like these boy bands are just all sunshine and rainbows behind the scenes. They are not. There
10:44are a lot of big egos involved. There's a lot on the line. It's high stakes, high pressure.
10:50You know, if we all going to come together and wonder twin powers activate, right, everybody has to know their
10:55role and know their part.
10:58The Boys of 98 Degrees took a page straight out of the Boys to Men playbook.
11:03Boys to Men was, they were here. They were the standard.
11:07We knew they sung for Michael Bibbins backstage and that's how they got their break.
11:11So they track them down at a show just trying to get a moment of their attention.
11:17We were singing outside a backstage fence area, acapella. And sure enough, somebody from the radio station called The Beat
11:23walks by and goes, man, you guys are good.
11:26You know, do you guys want to come backstage and sing on the radio? Come back after. We'll introduce you
11:31to Boys to Men.
11:32We were like, whoa, this is, we're doing this. One problem. We don't know how to get backstage. We don't
11:37have a pass.
11:40So we ended up hopping the fence. Of course, I don't encourage doing things like that because you'll get arrested.
11:46And we sang on the air and somebody there heard us.
11:50This guy sitting in a Corvette goes, hey, hey, come over here, guys.
11:53And his name was Paris Dijon and he was the road manager for Montel Jordan. And he said, hey, what
11:59are you guys here for?
11:59I said, we're trying to meet Boys to Men. He's like, they don't have time for you guys. They're, you
12:04know, they're too busy right now. Here's my card. I think I can help you out.
12:07So we ended up signing with Paris and he ended up being our first manager. And he said, first things
12:11first.
12:13Montel is performing at the Washington State Fair in Pialop.
12:16If you want us to work with you, then you need to go open up for Montel in Washington at
12:22this Puyallup festival.
12:24We're not going to pay for anything. You're not getting paid. In fact, you're not doing a set. You're going
12:29to sing the national anthem and that's it.
12:32One of the guys had a Toyota Paseo. Smallest car ever. So four grown ass men get on the I
12:39-5 freeway at like one in the morning. We drove 24 hours up to Seattle.
12:43It was an opportunity we were not going to pass up.
12:46And we show up and this guy, Paris, is like, oh, my God, I had no idea you guys would
12:50actually come.
12:51Apparently there's this lady who's sung the national anthem here for like the last 55 years. I can't get you
12:57on.
13:00But then there was this other group there, young kids, and they performed the whole set.
13:04They had maybe 20, 30 girls that came up there, were screaming for them, had like pictures of them.
13:09So we got to talking and I was like, yeah, you know, we met this guy and he has hot
13:13air balloons and he's going to help us fund the record.
13:16They were called the Backstreet Boys. So we all of a sudden were trying to play catch up and we
13:22couldn't break through.
13:26With Backstreet Boys, Nick had a younger brother. And I'll never forget the first time I met Aaron. He was
13:33nine years old.
13:34Well, Nick and I had a birthday party because we share birthday month, January.
13:40And it was being celebrated at Lou's house in the pool area.
13:44So the doorbell rang. So I opened the door and it's little Aaron and his mom, Jane.
13:49And Aaron is dressed in like a suit. And so he goes, pool.
13:53And he walks right by me, walks through the door and jumps straight into the pool.
13:59And I was like, I love this kid, you know, because that was his personality at nine years old.
14:05He just didn't care. Everybody got a laugh out of it. Of course, Jane wasn't happy.
14:09The fact that this little nine year old came in dressed in a three piece suit, not thinking like, I'm
14:16not in a bathing suit.
14:17I'm not in shorts. I'm dressed. I'm just going to go jump straight into the pool.
14:22So there was part of that said to me, oh, he wanted some attention. You know, Aaron was hanging out
14:28at a rehearsal one day.
14:29And him and Nick were super tight, like he was the little shadow.
14:33And so we were planning on doing a European tour, which was going to start in Germany, and it was
14:37during the summertime.
14:39So Aaron knew that he wasn't going to see his brother in the summer.
14:42And they were a big family that fished. They liked to go boating and stuff like that.
14:47So I guess in Aaron's mind, he was sad because all those things that he would normally do with his
14:51brother during the summer,
14:52now it wasn't going to happen because he was on the road.
14:54So I said to Jane, I said, can Aaron sing? And she goes, yeah, yeah, he's got a good little
14:59voice.
14:59So I had this thought in my mind, and I was like, look, if we could cut a record on
15:02him and put a little show together,
15:04I'll ask the guys if Aaron can open up for the Backstreet Boys, and that way him and Nick can
15:09stay together for the summer on tour.
15:12So the first show was in Berlin, Germany, 16,000 tickets completely sold out.
15:17This little kid comes bouncing on the stage, does a backflip. This place goes crazy, right?
15:23Same thing happened on the second night. After the second night, four record deal offers were on the table for
15:29Aaron.
15:30And that first album came out, Aaron sold like a million copies, and he was off to the races.
15:37At that point in time, the family said, hey, you know, we got this, okay?
15:41So you go and continue to be with Backstreet Boys and we're going to take Aaron.
15:45So my hands weren't on it anymore after that. Then as success comes, it changes everything.
15:53When it comes to someone like Aaron, a lot of us saw it coming, and it was just a matter
15:58of time.
16:00I was never around Aaron when he was active in his disease, but I was watching it through others' eyes.
16:06You could see from the weight changes to the attitude to House of Carters.
16:14We're all adults. We can make our own decisions on our own.
16:18No, you're 18 years old.
16:19It doesn't matter.
16:20I think Aaron was lost. Aaron just wanted to be back in the fame circle.
16:25But then he would surround himself with bad people, enablers.
16:30Like you can't enable a person who's an addict.
16:32And if I know somebody who is an alcoholic and I see him chugging some vodka, I'm going to be
16:38like, what are you doing?
16:40Because that's, because I care about them.
16:42He reached out to me. I did my best to help. And then unless your court mandated to stay at
16:48a treatment center, you can leave whenever you want.
16:51And he left after 10 days and then put me on blast saying that I was, you know, trying to
16:58help him get sober so that I look like the hero.
17:01And it's like, no, dude, I'm not doing it for any other reason than you're like a little brother to
17:05me. I don't want you to die.
17:12We were in London. It was a day off when we heard the news.
17:17I actually heard it before Nick.
17:23I knew through another friend of mine who reached out to me to ask if Nick knew.
17:31And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
17:33And he's like, Aaron's gone. And I was like, wait, what?
17:51By the time I got back to the hotel, Nick and his wife had been on the phone with his
17:56sister.
17:56And that night we asked the hotel for the back of the bar that was closed, if we could just
18:05sit there.
18:05And we just talked for hours, listened to Nick. It was a pretty emotional night, you know.
18:14For me, I take some responsibility to what happens in his life because I put him in this business at
18:2210 years old.
18:23But it was all truly about giving him an opportunity to be with his brother, not about trying to force
18:31a young kid into the music business.
18:33But I also I lost control of that. And so I wasn't able to be a part of his life
18:39as he started to go through these problems.
18:43Sorry. So it's a sad thing.
18:49I'm sorry. It's a huge loss.
18:52Yeah. And then the very next day we had to do a show.
18:57We lost one of our family members yesterday. We just wanted to find a moment in our show to recognize
19:04him.
19:07It was a pretty emotional show for everybody, especially Nick. You know, Nick was angry. He was sad. He was
19:15frustrated.
19:16Anyone that's lost someone just in general, you're going to go through all of those phases of grief, anger, resentment,
19:25all of it.
19:26But, you know, we had to keep moving forward.
19:32I look at someone like Nick and I praise his strength and perseverance because he's been through hell and back
19:41with his family.
19:43He might. He's lost three siblings to addiction. That's insane.
19:48But he is really just become such an incredible human being.
19:54How you doing? I haven't seen a little bit.
19:56I'm busy, bro.
19:57There is definitely a emptiness that we try to fill that void with external validation, with external things.
20:08When really, it's the age old saying, like, you can't love something until you love yourself.
20:15When you're so consumed with external BS, you're not living in the present moment and not living for what's the
20:25most beautiful thing right in front of you.
20:28We've beenTE communicate with expression , The only story you're not living in the present moment is actually about becoming
20:31such a human being.
20:31You look...
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