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00:06on palm sunday the bus on route 62 happened to be on peter and paul street
00:13at the same moment a warhead was bearing down at 2 000 miles an hour
00:20one blow on more than a dozen cameras
00:26the attack in ukraine is being investigated as a war crime one of thousands in a russian campaign
00:34against the innocent the attack seems to be calculated to make as much destruction as
00:39possible and to terrorize the civilian population montana's landscape beguiles as it unfolds
00:48a patchwork of golden prairies and green mountains with rivers that run through it
00:53so when politicians in washington dc suggested selling off public lands for development
00:59montanans of all stripes stood in opposition it's a red white and blue issue it's not a democrat or
01:06republican issue this is an american issue and once you sell land you're not going to get it back
01:15steve hartman a veteran cbs news correspondent and lou bope a photographer have spent the last seven
01:21years asking parents whose children were killed in school shootings for permission to take pictures
01:27of the empty rooms they left behind rooms that have become sanctuaries a tangible link to a child they
01:35can feel but no longer hold all these physical things are tangible ways of reminding me like she was
01:42real she was here she lived with us yeah i'm leslie stall i'm scott pelly i'm bill whitaker i'm anderson
01:52cooper i'm sharon alfonsi i'm cecilia vega i'm john wertheim those stories end in our last minute one
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02:10russia's bombardment of ukrainian cities is relentless as vladimir putin tries to plunge civilians into a
02:18winter of cold and darkness president putin's war approaching four years threatens to draw in
02:25all of europe targeting civilians has been an international war crime since 1949 the crimes
02:34you're about to see are hard to watch putin is hitting homes schools hospitals and seven months
02:42ago a city bus in the city of sumi bus route 62 takes you to the university the mall and
02:50on to the
02:51airport the fare is 20 cents last april palm sunday there was only standing room as two ballistic missiles
03:01bolted through the sky of a clear holy day
03:09the body is wrapped to preserve the evidence in the hope of a future trial but a ukrainian war crime
03:16prosecutor wanted us to see it wanted the world to see the steel corpse where 16 civilians were killed
03:30we climbed aboard with prosecutor vitaly doval who showed us the shrapnel that sliced through the bus
03:38this this is from what the military calls an anti-personnel warhead it's designed to kill as many people as
03:47possible
03:50and it doesn't distinguish doval told us whether it's a soldier or a child or a retiree this little
03:59square will not spare anyone and this is exactly why this is a war crime
04:05the crime scene is a city of 250 000 less than 20 miles from russia most days in sumi are
04:16interrupted
04:16by an air raid
04:20and so it was last april 13th palm sunday for passengers on bus route 62
04:30tetiana porhilova was taking lisa to her grandparents lisa is a little girl she told us she wants to pick
04:42her own outfits and we are always late i wanted to catch that bus the next one wouldn't come for
04:51an hour
05:00it was the day before my son was going to have his school picture we were going to buy some
05:06nice clothes
05:08on one of ukraine's holiest days the bus happened to be on peter and paul street at the same moment
05:17a warhead
05:18was bearing down with great precision at 2 000 miles an hour one blow
05:31on more than a dozen cameras
05:40it got dark inside natalia told us my ears started ringing
05:48people were shouting to open the doors
05:54the first thing i thought was that i could feel my body tetiana said i thought okay i can feel
06:01everything lisa is screaming so we're alive
06:08lisa's screams carried on into the street tetiana is saying to her daughter
06:14wait my little sunshine it's going to be all right you have a little cut a little cut
06:24but it's going to be all right it's going to be all right it's going to be all right
06:32tetiana told us everything looked destroyed i saw broken branches there was the smell of burning and
06:39soot and there were people lying on the ground people who you understand
06:52maxim told us in the front of the bus everyone was dead i was walking on dead bodies
07:02i urged him to leave me and run but he said no that's never going to happen
07:09he broke what was left of the window with his feet so we could escape that's natalia and maxim among
07:1825
07:19surviving passengers many others on the street were cut down in the lower right corner a 47 year old
07:29musician a pianist olena kohut had watched the bus pass
07:36hit by shrapnel bleeding out she would live two more steps
07:49all together 35 civilians killed two children and 145 wounded prosecutor vitaly duval responded from his
08:03church he told us i have never seen such a horror in my life
08:19he said lots of people were lying on the pavement i saw that bus that had burned
08:28doval told us it was all mud dust blood crying and bodies you seem to be saying this isn't war
08:42this is murder in my opinion yes
08:47it is just unimaginable to use such powerful high precision weapons in the central part of a city
09:00doval's investigation shows there were two missiles among the most accurate in the russian arsenal
09:07the first wrecked sumi state university's conference center the second peter and paul street they're among
09:18hundreds of russian war crimes and we have seen many over the years in ukraine
09:25a school in chernaheve a hospital in isiam apartments in borodyanka
09:38mr president i'm glad to see you again thank you for coming thank you last april president volodymyr
09:44zelensky met us on a playground where a missile killed nine children and 10 adults all of those so
09:53many more and now this make ukraine the largest crime scene in the world ukraine's top prosecutor
10:02told us that the number of war crime investigations now open at the beginning of the fall is 178 391
10:15they are systemic literally everywhere that russia's troops have been deployed
10:20few know the big picture like beth van scok until recently she was u.s ambassador at large for global
10:28criminal justice she directed american support for ukraine's investigations attacks happen in towns
10:36and villages where there are no discernible military objectives the attack seems to be calculated to
10:42make as much destruction as possible and to terrorize the civilian population so it's an effort to subjugate
10:48um and to terrorize the community in order to get the country to essentially capitulate
10:52the reason for russia's terror is to take back territory it lost with the fall of the soviet union
11:01ukraine won independence 34 years ago it's a democracy about the size of texas of all of the crimes
11:09here putin faces one arrest warrant in 2023 the international criminal court charged him in a campaign
11:19against ukrainian children he is accused of abducting ukrainian children in a systematic way it's a war
11:26crime it's a war crime of unlawful transfer of civilians and in this case dozens and dozens of
11:32ukrainian children and these children are being kidnapped they're being kidnapped they're being
11:37subjected to rustification to military training they're forced to deny their ukrainian roots and
11:43ultimately they're often put up for adoption or placed in foster homes in russia what is the point
11:47the point is to ultimately undermine the idea that ukraine is an independent country and to raise
11:54these children as russian children who deny their own cultural heritage putin and his allies who are
12:01secure in russia are unlikely to face justice but ukraine is holding trials there have been 211 convictions
12:11many russian troops though nearly all of the defendants are at large still prosecutor vitaly doval has
12:20patience he showed us where evidence for future trials is warehoused including crashed drones and mangled
12:29missiles on each part we find a serial number we identify the part where the part was manufactured and when
12:38this missile was assembled in a factory in the palm sunday massacre serial numbers like fingerprints
12:48identified russian ballistic missiles with 1 000 pound warheads ukrainian intelligence pinpointed the
12:55russian units involved noval told us we already know the individuals who gave the orders to carry out the
13:05attacks do you have any reason to hope for justice i am convinced that those responsible for the strike at
13:17the central part of the city on palm sunday will be punished the military commanders who made the decision
13:24to launch these missiles i am convinced natalia turninska told us they're killing civilians it's elimination of the ukrainian nation
13:40they're just wiping our cities off the face of the earth
13:45we interviewed maxim and natalia tetiana and lisa in the conference center destroyed by the first missile
13:54we could see where the warhead crashed through to the basement the russians claim they were aiming
14:01at a military awards ceremony but prosecutor vitaly doval says that doesn't explain how no troops were hit
14:11and why two missiles fell on civilians you have quite a stake in the future of ukraine and i wonder
14:19what is
14:20your hope tetiana told us i would like the russians to answer for what they've done i don't wish
14:30death on those people i want them to learn how it feels to live in fear i wish ukraine could
14:37see the end of
14:38the war i want people to be able to live in their own homes that's it near our interview we
14:51found a room
14:52where it looked to us like a victim may have fallen close by in the bomb dust on the table
14:59someone had
15:01drawn a line we don't know what they meant but with so many innocent victims murdered without justice
15:10perhaps the question was why
15:21the old license plates read big sky country but inside montana there's an unofficial state motto
15:28the last best place hemmed by the plains in the pacific northwest montana is a patchwork of golden
15:35prairies in green mountains with rivers that run through it in the last best place suggests a warding
15:42off of the onslaught of outside forces so this year when washington dc politicians suggested selling
15:48off public lands for development as part of the so-called big beautiful budget bill montanans of
15:54all political stripes stood in opposition is this a rare example of modern bipartisanship
16:00proof that there are some issues that can knit americans together or are these frontier folk just
16:06delaying the inevitable montana's landscape beguiles as it unfolds the kind of sheer beauty that could
16:15stop traffic if there were traffic to stop
16:21the scale is hard to exaggerate it's a state roughly the size of california with roughly the
16:27population of greater fresno just north of one million montanans speak fondly of their neighbors who
16:35might live 50 miles away as for the land itself it's not mere real estate it's there for recreation
16:43a corridor for wildlife it's symbolic too the open frontier is an emblem of freedom and possibility
16:51it's something deeper sacred even like spiritual right it's like some people find that in church or in
16:59other ways and for me it's just being out where your feet are on the ground and actually connecting
17:05with this space and then if you spend enough time in those spaces and on that landscape it's like
17:11land is kin right it starts to feel like land is kin yeah brian manix is a rancher who along
17:17with his
17:17uncle dave and cousin logan raise cattle in western montana they've been on this plot since 1882 when their
17:24forebearers first homesteaded here with lineage comes perspective as ranchers you guys have talked
17:32about feeling like you're you're stewards of the land more than your owners of the land what's what's
17:36the difference it's not ours it's just our return if you're going to steward that land you're going to
17:42treat that land in a way that maybe doesn't maximize your life but is better for multiple generations of
17:48human beings because this place is going to outlast all of us by a long ways
17:57the manix's operation relies on a mix of land around 55 000 acres all told more than three manhattans
18:06it's land they own private land they lease from others plus federal plots they pay a relatively small fee
18:14to use so earlier this year when members of congress proposed the wholesale sell-off of cracks of public
18:20land the first serious effort of its kind in more than four decades the manix's well bridled yeah to
18:28me it's worrisome because i think that you can have a very nuanced conversation about management but
18:35whether or not should we have these lands as public lands to me is a no-brainer the federal government
18:43owns and manages about 640 million acres of american land most of it in the west and alaska yes those
18:51breathtaking national parks but also huge tracks for conservation recreation and money makers like
18:58ranching mining and logging interior managed resources hold a significant position on americans balance
19:05sheet the trump administration including interior secretary doug burgom have made clear federal lands could
19:12be generating much more value if there were better management fewer regulations and more vigorous extraction
19:19one of my top priorities has been to make a small percentage of underused federal land available
19:27to address housing affordability but utah senator mike lee went further this year putting forward his measure
19:34as part of the big beautiful budget bill that proposed selling public land as much as three million acres
19:41across the west federal land is a massive underutilized asset lee's proposal did not list specific
19:49parcels but he and some republican colleagues reasoned selling land would address america's housing shortage
19:55and also help pay down the nation's debt if the public land that you use were sold off could you
20:01run your
20:02business the answer is yes but it would be something less than what it is now if we lost our
20:07public leases
20:08we would lose a significant amount of income so absolutely it would impact us in montana selling
20:16public land was perceived as an attack on a way of life already under stress in recent years the moneyed
20:24class has descended westward hoe exclusive enclaves like the yellowstone club studded with eight figure
20:32residences are proliferating in the last five years alone home prices in the state have vaulted nearly 70 percent
20:42so much private land is being sold and developed construction sprawl for sale signs they're everywhere
20:49in big sky in bozeman boz Angeles they call it in the remote ruby valley when we all come together
21:00which is
21:01where we met donna mcdonald a hunting and fishing guide john hellie a sheep rancher chris edgington a fly
21:08fisherman and river health advocate emily cleveland a conservationist they come from across the state and across the
21:15political spectrum they find common cause in a devotion to public lands could you run your business
21:21if the public lands were sold off no there would not be a business to run from the ranching community
21:29to the guiding community to the wildlife that the hunters and the anglers use spent a lot of time on
21:36on public lands in some states the vast majority of the territory is federally owned montana is about 30
21:44percent how did we get here as the nation expanded in the 1800s and as native americans were forcefully
21:51removed some land was settled by homesteaders or sold to industrialists but much fell to the federal
21:58government further out that way good work good work mcdonald who grew up in this valley makes a living
22:06taking guests out on the private and public lands that surround her property she invited us to do some
22:11fishing how long have you been doing this i can't remember not doing it john you're out on the river
22:18it's a nice day you're in nature and it's worth saving preservation is often literally and figuratively
22:26a grassroots endeavor really good to see everybody donna john chris and emily sit on the ruby valley
22:33strategic alliance one of many local land management groups across the state and the west at a time of
22:40hyper polarization these folks the birkenstock crowd and the cowboy boot crowd do something radical
22:47they respect their differences and get along well it's kind of like when neighbors get together
22:52to build the fence we can stand there and argue about where to put the post or we can roll
22:56up our
22:57sleeves and build the fence together a little glimpse into montana yeah well i think we finally came to
23:03realize that we all had kind of the same goals in mind and you know save the some of the
23:10last best
23:10places here and now we have more tree growth in response to the land sale proposal hunters and hikers
23:17locked arms not one acre became a rallying cry the ruby valley group spoke out publicly and lobbied
23:25montana's two senators and two congressmen all republicans that was an easy one to
23:30all come to agreement on but not a lot of dissent that we all realize the importance of the public
23:37land and once it's gone it's gone forever i suspect there's some people saying wait a second you've got
23:42all this land what's wrong with converting that into housing and using it in other ways yeah i think a
23:50lot
23:50of our public lands aren't really close to infrastructure that would be necessary for wide-scale housing
23:56developments and selling public lands to generate income and revenue is just it's just not something
24:02that makes sense i think it's a slippery slope it is what do you mean i mean if we sell
24:08this chunk or
24:09that chunk i mean where does where would it end which is precisely the case they made to their
24:15representatives like ryan zinke we kept hearing you you have zero political future in this state unless you
24:21oppose the sale of public lands i think montanans are very passionate about the public lands because
24:28we live out here you heard pretty clear on this one i think it's absolutely crystal clear zinke grew
24:35up in whitefish montana and served as a secretary of the interior during president trump's first term
24:40500 000 now he represents western montana in the house he called the land sale proposal his san juan hill
24:48a nod to teddy roosevelt noted conservationist rough translation over my dead body public lands is not
24:56to me on a balance sheet uh public lands is our inheritance of this great nation and we're blessed
25:03with it there is no other country on the face of the planet that has the public land experience that
25:10we
25:10do on this issue zinke's no ideologue on a case-by-case basis within the existing laws he says he's
25:17open to
25:17rethinking public land use what he does oppose wholesale sell-off you could sell the entirety of
25:25the federal state it's not going to get you out of debt if you have a hotel and the hotel
25:30is being
25:31mismanaged you don't sell the hotel you get new management and then if you sell the public land you
25:37sell it all right have you changed why you're in debt no you've just sold your assets people supporting
25:44the same what's the harm of unlocking some of this so we can build affordable housing why why are those
25:50people wrong well if we want to discuss you know reality uh you know selling all our public land for
25:55housing one it doesn't won't solve the housing crisis and secondly uh you know public land itself
26:02if it's managed well you should be able to bring timber off of it you should be able to graze
26:08energy oil coal gas all a lot of that comes from our public lands zinke was instrumental in getting
26:17the land sale proposal killed in the house he then coordinated with his colleagues in the senate
26:22where mike lee had crafted a special carve-out exempting montana but that didn't win over the
26:28state's delegation the measure was abandoned in a statement to 60 minutes senator lee said in part
26:35quote the federal government controls more land than it can manage hurting the growth and prosperity
26:41of american families in their communities perhaps more than any other state montana stood in the breach
26:48thwarting the sale efforts though there is widespread expectation public land sales will come up again
26:54in congress this is an era where party unity in the republican party is strong you you went against
27:02the grain here you stuck your neck out it's a red white and blue issue it's not a democrat or
27:08republican
27:08issue this is an american issue and once you sell land you're not going to get it back the challenge
27:14is this on this point in particular zinke has seen his state transformed behind us is the yellowstone river
27:20and below us the yellowstone dumps into the missouri what's changed when i grew up you know there was less
27:27people you see all these houses in there there wasn't maybe one or two houses in this whole valley
27:31along the river zinke knows changes to land bring changes to culture locals complain they no longer
27:41know their neighbors no trespassing signs suddenly abound montanans like the manix's are tracking the
27:48public lands issue closely if an unsentimental government gets in on the sale there really goes
27:55the neighborhood often what we see is the most valuable thing to do with this land probably forever
28:01now will be to chop it up and sell it in small chunks for people to have a little piece
28:06of
28:07paradise and i think that's going to be true whether it's a ranch that sells or public land that sells
28:14to borrow a phrase this land is your land this land is my land people here just hope it stays
28:23that way
28:31you
28:36since the mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school in newtown connecticut 13 years ago more than 160
28:43children have been killed in school shootings across the u.s they've left behind devastated families
28:49and friends, and empty bedrooms they once filled with life. For many parents, these rooms have
28:56become sanctuaries, a tangible link to a child they can still feel but no longer hold. Steve
29:03Hartman, a veteran CBS News correspondent, and Lou Bope, a photographer, have spent the last seven
29:08years asking parents whose children have been killed for permission to take pictures of the
29:13empty rooms they've left behind. No easy task. They are, after all, portraits of a child who's no
29:21longer there. Up a flight of stairs in their Nashville home, Chad and Jada Scruggs took us
29:30to see their daughter Hallie's room. It remains as she left it one Monday morning two and a half years
29:36ago. I don't think anything's changed. Hallie Scruggs loved Legos, Tennessee football, and hiding things
29:43in a toy safe from her three older brothers. The books she and her mom read together at night
29:49are still stacked by her bed. A school project with important milestones in her life, a reminder
29:56Hallie was just nine years old. First two, first soccer game, first Tennessee game. That was a
30:02milestone. Yeah. This is the first time they held her. I love that picture. I do wonder sometimes,
30:10like, what will we do with this room eventually? All these physical things are tangible ways of
30:16reminding me, like, she was real. She was here. She lived with us. Yeah. In some ways, this room
30:21kind of holds the space for her. And so, um... And it still does, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
30:29Oopsies!
30:30Hallie was killed along with two classmates, Evelyn Dickhouse and William Kinney, in a shooting at
30:36the Covenant School in Nashville in 2023. What has grief been like for you?
30:42It felt like everything collapsed. Everything. Internally. Um, pain that, I mean, uh, gosh.
30:52It's just hard to endure. And then, you know, you have to relearn how to do everything, like
30:57how to eat, uh, have to sleep. And you just have a new relationship with pain and sadness
31:03and anger. There's been joy, too. But, uh, the sadness, um, was, has been, was just, I mean,
31:17overwhelming. Chad is a pastor at the church that's part of the Covenant School. He was drawn
31:22to Hallie's room the day she was killed. I went into her room to lay on her bed to smell.
31:28I knew that would go. And I wanted... You knew that, you knew the smell would dissipate.
31:33Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And her blankie was there and everything was there.
31:36And you could smell her that night? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That was true probably for
31:41a week or two after. Because you're trying to get her back. And it's not possible. But you
31:45don't believe that. Um, and so anything that, uh, that draws that possibility closer, I wanted
31:53to be there for that. So, yeah, I went in, just laid on her bed and cried by myself.
32:00Has your relationship to the room changed over time?
32:05Maybe it's not as frequent that I go up there. But the feelings haven't changed when I go in
32:10the room. Um, you know, it kind of captures all the feelings of sadness and joy, just because
32:18it's, it's a capsule of time. I think initially that room was, for me, an indication of like
32:30presence. And now it feels more of an indication of absence. You know, um, it feels more like
32:36a relic now. Like a relic. A relic. Yeah. Some 2,000 miles away, in Santa Clarita, California,
32:44another room, another child killed.
32:49This is Gracie Muehlberger. She was 15. She adored her brothers and her van sneakers. She
32:57was killed six years ago in the Saugus High School shooting. Cindy and Brian Muehlberger
33:03are her parents. Do you remember the first time you went into Gracie's room after?
33:08Right when we got home from the hospital. You went right to her room?
33:11Right to her room. And that's where I spent like the next week or two.
33:16Yeah. I slept in her bed. I just, it's the closest I can feel to her, so.
33:21Did that feeling, though, of the room providing comfort, did that last for a long time?
33:27Yes. Oh, yeah. Always. Yeah. Gracie Muehlberger and Hallie Scruggs' rooms are two of eight that
33:34were photographed as part of the project begun by Steve Hartman. On the very first day back
33:39at school. Who began covering these tragedies for CBS News 28 years ago. This was his first,
33:46a shooting at a high school in Pearl, Mississippi, two years before the massacre at Columbine High
33:52High School in Littleton, Colorado. It was news at the time. A school shooting
33:57was actually big news. As opposed to now? As opposed to now, it still gets coverage,
34:02but it's usually a day or two. And people forget about them, I'd say, by the end of the week
34:08many
34:08times. Initially, in your mind, what was the idea? I wanted to shake people out of this numbness
34:15that I was feeling whenever there was a school shooting. Now, I was moving on quickly. I was
34:21forgetting the names of the children who were lost. And I knew the country was doing the same.
34:27So seven years ago, he began writing letters to parents asking to photograph their murdered
34:33children's rooms. Because when you go into a kid's room, you go into my kid's room, you see their
34:38whole history. You see every dream, every desire, everything they value. It's all there on the walls
34:44and sitting on the shelves. Or scattered on the floor. Or scattered on the floor in some cases.
34:49It's all there. And I don't think there's really a better way to get to know a kid and to
34:55remember
34:55a life than to look around that room, to stand in that space.
35:01Eight families whose children were killed in five different schools agreed to let photographer
35:07Lou Boop into their kids' rooms. At a recent exhibit in New York, he showed us some of the 10
35:13,000 photos
35:14he's taken. You know, I'm trying to take a picture of a child who's not there.
35:18Dominic Blackwell's room is still filled with SpongeBob. He was killed along with Gracie
35:24Muehlberger at Saugus High School. Dominic was 14. A basket of his laundry still waits to be washed.
35:32A toothpaste tube remains uncapped in the bathroom of 14-year-old Alyssa Alhadeff,
35:38killed at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
35:41Charlotte Bacon loved pink. She was six, killed at Sandy Hook. There's a library book in her room
35:49that's now 13 years overdue.
35:52If that's not a little girl's room, I don't know what is. And even this, this to me,
35:59it's so poignant the way the head is tilted down.
36:04It's such a reminder that while everybody else moves on from what is a story to them,
36:14the families never move on.
36:16That's part of the reason the families did agree, because it's very frustrating for them
36:21when the country moves on. And they certainly haven't moved on and will never move on.
36:27I think there's such weight in, for these parents in being the holders of the memory,
36:33that they are the only ones who remember. Excuse me.
36:38It's okay. What are you thinking about?
36:48I've been in a lot of these rooms as well. And there's such sadness in being the last ones left
36:55who remember everything about this child.
36:58And that's why they can't surrender the rooms, because you surrender the rooms,
37:04and that's just another piece of their kid that's gone.
37:10Steve Hartman's project is now the subject of an upcoming documentary on Netflix.
37:15It follows him and Lou Boop as they travel across the country,
37:19visiting rooms, including Dominic Blackwell's and Gracie Muehlberger's.
37:24This is what she was going to wear on Friday.
37:26Well, she was either going to wear this outfit or this outfit.
37:30And she had, like, two set out.
37:31Or this dress.
37:34Did she do this often?
37:35Yes.
37:35Prepare the next day's clothes?
37:37Yeah, Monday through Friday.
37:39When Brian and Cindy Muehlberger received Steve's letter in 2024,
37:44they were considering moving, but didn't know how they could leave their daughter's room behind.
37:50How much of the discussion was about, what do we do with the room?
37:52I would say that was the primary driver of us not moving sooner.
37:59I mean, after the shooting, we wanted to get out of town.
38:02But you didn't want to leave that room.
38:03But we didn't want to leave that room.
38:05Yeah.
38:06You know, it's like, do you take a lot of pictures of it and then try to recreate it somewhere
38:11else?
38:11We didn't know what to do with it.
38:14And it really wasn't until this opportunity to work with Steve on this film that we started feeling at peace
38:21about it.
38:24Earlier this year, the Muehlbergers felt ready.
38:27They sold their house and packed up Gracie's room.
38:31This was from, I believe, when she was in Girl Scouts.
38:35It's cute.
38:37They found mementos, artwork, and cards she made they hadn't seen in years.
38:42You are the best dad a girl can have.
38:46Love, Gracie.
38:47Read P.S.
38:49I love you.
38:53Oh, my goodness.
38:55All these treasures, right?
38:58For now, they've placed them in a storage unit while they build a new home and a new life in
39:04Georgia.
39:08When you found this, did you know how you wanted to kind of incorporate Gracie?
39:13Not initially.
39:14In September, they showed us the plot of land where they'll live and an area they're going to create called
39:21Gracie's Point.
39:22So this is going to be Gracie's Point?
39:24Yeah, this kind of area right here.
39:26Where when you're out here, you know, all you've got is nature and the water.
39:32And a place, a fire pit, a place where people can come together.
39:35Yeah, come together.
39:36She loved doing s'mores and things like that.
39:40It could not be a more beautiful spot.
39:42Yeah.
39:43It's so peaceful, which is what we were looking for.
39:48Is this project over for you?
39:51No.
39:52If parents want us to, we'll continue to document the rooms just so they have the pictures.
39:58I wish this project would end, but I don't anticipate it will.
40:05Back in Nashville, Chad and Jada Scruggs have no plans to change Hallie's room, but they did send some of
40:12her drawings and journals to an artist, Brenda Bogart, who created this collage portrait of her.
40:18Everything on this canvas is something that was made by Hallie's hand.
40:24Brenda went through and noticed a theme of, I am happy.
40:32She pretty much ended every journal entry with, I am happy.
40:36She wanted to make sure that that got put on Hallie.
40:39When people see the photos of Hallie's room, what would you like them to take away?
40:45This is not a generic person, you know, someone that uniquely bore God's image in the world and irreplaceable.
41:04And we just want you to know her, you know, she's worth being known.
41:09We don't have a lot of aspirations beyond that.
41:13We want you to come step inside of our world for a moment, so.
41:19Step inside the sadness.
41:21Yeah.
41:22And feel it.
41:24People can talk about solutions, but until they feel the weight of the problem, I don't know how to really
41:30talk about solutions.
41:36How the Mule-Burger family lives by Gracie's words.
41:40You only have one life to live, so why not live it great?
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