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T.h.e R.o.o.k.i.e 2018 Season 8 Episode 15
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00:00Any further contact from the distressed individual?
00:02Negative. Do you want me to start additional units?
00:04Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first.
00:07You ready?
00:07Do I have a choice?
00:09That's a spirit.
00:18LAPD, we've received a distress call from this location. We are making entry.
00:29Oh, do you feel that?
00:32Feel what?
00:32Uh, something evil's in here.
00:34Oh, sure smells like it.
00:44I can't die. It's inside of me. It won't let me die. It won't let me die.
00:52Elise, show yourself.
00:56I can't die. It's inside of me. It won't let me die.
01:00Don't touch that, all right? Just call this in. Call it in.
01:02I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim.
01:04So I usually sit right next to the camera to keep the eyeline tight?
01:07Then I'll just sit on the other side.
01:08No, because then you'll split his look.
01:10Oh, hey, hi. Thanks, uh, thanks again for sitting down with me.
01:14Us?
01:15What? Oh, right, us. Uh, why are you filming?
01:18Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. Abigail was very excited.
01:21It's not a partnership.
01:22It's totally a partnership. The judge was very clear.
01:24The judge?
01:25My name is Abigail Tierney. I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
01:30All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
01:32I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions.
01:37Translation, he stole my intellectual property, I sued, and the judge gave him a choice.
01:42Pay me 200,000 damages or give me equal partnership in his next project.
01:46He never said equal, but you know what? Never mind. Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell.
01:50Mm-hmm. Seat.
01:54Perhaps the most shocking case of murder and mayhem we've ever seen. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
01:59Um, no, no. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. You don't understand.
02:02Okay, relax. Here, okay? We're trying to help you.
02:04Who stabbed you?
02:05I stabbed myself. It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. I can't kill it. I can't die. See?
02:13No, don't pull that out. Don't pull it out.
02:15Oh, God.
02:18Oh, he died instantly. I mean, the wound was fatal. You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive.
02:24But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding. Once he pulled it out.
02:30It was Blood Fountain City.
02:32Not exactly, but...
02:33As shocking as that was, it was far from the most shocking thing you found.
02:37Oh, we should get him to say that to set up the opening credits?
02:39That's not... We don't put words in people's mouths. It's a documentary.
02:45Yeah, it was, uh... It was straight-up crazy.
02:50There's a body in there.
02:52I may have finally found it.
02:56Please don't kill us. We will join your cult.
02:59Oh, God.
03:00You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor?
03:03Yes. I got there before the ambulance. Not that there was any aid they could have rendered.
03:08Is there a reason you didn't want us to interview you with Tim?
03:11What?
03:12No. We're just... I'm just shaking it out.
03:14Let's... Let's stay focused.
03:16Um, were you the first to recognize the victim?
03:18Uh, sort of.
03:20Um, I... I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until we ran his prints that we got a
03:24name.
03:24Rich Riley was retired LAPD.
03:27He had been with the department for 30 years and was a little bit of a legend.
03:30Mostly because he made a series of training videos from the mid-90s till his retirement in 2015.
03:36Which, by modern standards, are a little cringe.
03:40Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here with another installment of...
03:46Now, today, we're going to be talking about proper cuffing technique.
03:50Excuse me, officer? I hurt my shoulder at the gym. Would you mind cuffing me in front?
03:57Pretty lady like you...
04:00What's the worst that could happen?
04:05You're welcome.
04:35Rich was a trip.
04:35Caused quite a controversy with some of the older officers.
04:38They said we were being insensitive.
04:41Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
04:43Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death.
04:47And saw the videos as a way to keep his memory alive.
04:49I'm sorry. I thought Rich died six months ago.
04:51Yeah.
04:52He did.
04:53I'm talking about the first time.
04:54Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer, Richard Rowley, after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:03Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Rowley's wife,
05:06who says the 55-year-old fell overboard after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:13Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:17Why is that?
05:18It's just an ideal place to cover up crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:22The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
05:26And the circumstances were suspicious.
05:28By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor.
05:30It was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips,
05:35his on-again, off-again girlfriend who he married five days prior.
05:38So you suspected foul play?
05:42Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
05:44Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
05:46He never did.
05:47He was a strong swimmer.
05:49He must have hit his head when he fell.
05:51Why didn't you jump in after him?
05:53I'm scared of dark water.
05:54Dark water?
05:55Water you can't see the bottom of.
05:58Just blackness.
05:59With condoms what lurking below.
06:02You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:04That's quite a bit of money.
06:06How dare you?
06:07I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:12We don't know that for sure yet.
06:14They haven't found his body.
06:16Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:20Go to hell!
06:21This interview is over.
06:22Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
06:25As we said, we couldn't rule anything out.
06:27But there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
06:30Until he turned up dead again.
06:32Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
06:34Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
06:36I checked.
06:37You're right.
06:38But profiting off of that death, collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, that's fraud.
06:43Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
06:46He could be facing some serious charges.
06:49So, tell us.
06:51Why did Rich want to fake his death?
06:54After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
06:58His drinking got worse.
07:00And his paranoia, he was always a little intense.
07:04But it started to get scary.
07:06He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:09It started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:13What was he so afraid of?
07:14He said there was this group.
07:17Like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
07:22He'd been onto them for years.
07:24He said that they found out about him.
07:26That he was in danger because of it.
07:28It was too much for me.
07:29So I broke up with him.
07:31And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep.
07:35And asked me to help him fake his death.
07:38In return for his pension.
07:40I needed the money.
07:41So, we got married.
07:43And we did the deed.
07:44And I never saw him again.
07:46So you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage.
07:50We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
07:53You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
07:56Yeah, seems to me to feel it.
07:57All good storytelling is.
07:58Just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:02So, once I arrived and we secured the crime scene,
08:05we cleared the rest of the house and then we moved on to the garage.
08:13Oh, you don't think there's...
08:15That there's a body in there?
08:16I absolutely do.
08:17Okay, are we going to open it?
08:19Because I don't want to open it.
08:21What do you think?
08:22I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
08:24Given the state of the coffin,
08:26it's clearly been underground for a few years.
08:28If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
08:31Unless...
08:32Unless what?
08:33Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
08:39Oh, okay.
08:40Got it.
08:41Oh.
08:43Oh, God.
08:48The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford,
08:52who was the victim of an unsolved homicide back in 2020.
08:56How was he killed?
08:56He was stabbed in the heart.
08:59Just like Rich.
09:01Wait.
09:02Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:03Did I just solve the case?
09:04No.
09:05We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:08He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
09:11Medical records say he was so weak that he could barely go out of bed.
09:14Or that's what he wanted you to think.
09:16Moving on.
09:17Digging up a body is no easy task.
09:19Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
09:20Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
09:26And in some ways, it was.
09:28But then we found the tattoo.
09:30At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
09:34A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
09:37But when we look back at the case file,
09:39there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
09:41That's actually kind of sick.
09:43I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
09:45I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
09:47Like, uh.
09:48To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
09:51What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
09:53Well, something about it was familiar to both of us.
09:56But we couldn't place it.
09:58So we started asking around.
10:00And the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:04I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
10:08So I recognized the symbol immediately.
10:12Sometimes citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
10:16That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
10:22While most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication,
10:25every once in a while, you'll encounter a true workable case.
10:29Officer, help!
10:30My sister is missing!
10:32When's the last time you saw her?
10:33Last night at the bar.
10:35Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
10:37You always want to take a report like this one?
10:40Seriously.
10:40So Rich is the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a
10:45murder victim.
10:46What did you think that meant?
10:48Uh, I don't know.
10:49I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
10:52In Lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
10:56Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:01Anyways, it got me thinking.
11:03What if Rich put messages in other videos?
11:06What kind of messages?
11:07I'm not totally sure yet.
11:08I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
11:11Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
11:12And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
11:16The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos,
11:19I can't be sure that I'm not missing a vital piece of information.
11:21So, what happened to the missing videos?
11:23So, when the training topics and the videos become outdated because of the laws or protocols,
11:28the department has to make new ones.
11:30And obviously, videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
11:35But Rich is, we're just gone.
11:38Gone and destroyed?
11:39Like a cover-up?
11:40No one's saying that.
11:42Most likely, it was a human error.
11:44You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
11:46I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
11:51Bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
11:56What's the good news?
11:57Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased these studios' old
12:04hard drives.
12:05Careful, I'm very ticklish.
12:07Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
12:08Same.
12:09I hear it's a sign of intelligence.
12:11Is that a fact?
12:12Then I am smart as the difference.
12:15So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
12:18Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy.
12:20I was building the company from the ground up.
12:22We had to be smart about how we were spending our money.
12:24We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand.
12:27Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
12:29But what? Wait.
12:30You bought secondhand wigs?
12:31Give them a little shake before we put them on.
12:33That's awesome.
12:34Do you still have that wig connect?
12:35Because I'd love a referral.
12:36My guy is...
12:38Back on track.
12:39The hard drives you bought contain police training videos.
12:42Did you happen to watch any of them?
12:43Of course.
12:44Rich Rowley, right?
12:45We were obsessed with those videos.
12:47We probably watched them like a dozen times.
12:50I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
12:53That's great.
12:54Vic can do the best impression.
12:55Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
12:58I totally would, but I can't,
13:00because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
13:04Sorry, I couldn't be of more help.
13:06You'll still feature this interview, right?
13:09Yeah, probably not.
13:10Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew watched the video, like,
13:13dozens of times, right?
13:15Yes, sometimes on an edible.
13:16Mostly sober.
13:17I have an idea.
13:18Okay, so then you'd be like,
13:19don't forget to check the closet, you'll die.
13:21So, I don't know.
13:22I think it's a little bit more like, like,
13:23if you forget to check the closet,
13:25Freddy, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrud.
13:28Okay, I think there's less foot stuff.
13:29I feel like he's like,
13:31and then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend
13:33who's been hiding in the hallway closet
13:35will chainsaw your face when you get home
13:36because you forgot to clear the room.
13:39Clear the room.
13:40Check the room.
13:42What are you guys doing?
13:43That's a great question.
13:44They're reenacting the police training videos
13:46since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
13:47Oh, the Rich Rally ones.
13:48Those are so funny.
13:50I actually stole one of the hard drives
13:52so I can watch it when I'm in the tub.
13:53A little self-care, you know,
13:55trying to relax a little more.
13:57It's not working.
13:57Can we have it?
13:58If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
14:00No, I think this is actually working great.
14:02Okay.
14:03You can keep this up.
14:04We're riffing.
14:04Clearing the room.
14:05Help us.
14:06Okay, I finally finished watching
14:07all of the Rich training videos
14:09and there is a lot.
14:11Take lesson 277.
14:16My Azaleas!
14:17A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson
14:20was found stabbed near a ski resort.
14:23You're kidding.
14:24No.
14:24And in lesson 290,
14:26Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back
14:28with a brown star drawn on it.
14:30I'm lost.
14:31Right.
14:31So I looked up the cold cases
14:32to see if there were any victims
14:34with names like Star or Stella
14:36and there was one hit,
14:38Stella Brown,
14:39also found stabbed in the chest.
14:41In all,
14:42Lucy found clues
14:43pointing to seven different cold cases.
14:46But why was Rich hiding the names
14:47of murder victims
14:48in police training videos?
14:49Based on what we could piece together,
14:50he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy,
14:53a series of connected murders
14:54committed by a person or persons unknown.
14:56If that were the case,
14:57why not just report his suspicion?
14:59He was a cop for 30 years.
15:00Well,
15:01Rich had a bit of a reputation
15:02within the department
15:04for, shall we say,
15:05magical thinking.
15:07So,
15:08unfortunately,
15:09his theory was dismissed out of hand.
15:11But why did he think
15:11the murders were connected?
15:12Well,
15:13for starters,
15:13they were all stabbed in the chest.
15:15But more importantly,
15:16each victim was found
15:17with a penny either in
15:18or on their person.
15:19What do you mean in?
15:20One had a penny in her stomach.
15:22Another had one shoved up his nose.
15:24Stella Brown looked out.
15:25Hers was just clasped in her hand.
15:27And when we re-examined
15:29Marcus Ford's corpse,
15:30the Emmy found one inserted
15:31into the heel of his left foot.
15:34Why?
15:34Did we mention that
15:35they were all minted in 1930?
15:37Okay.
15:37Well,
15:38I just got goosebumps.
15:39Rich's autopsy also revealed
15:40that he had swallowed
15:41close to 50 pennies
15:42before he died.
15:43Gross.
15:44So,
15:44at this point,
15:45was your theory...
15:46I actually have no idea
15:47what that theory would have been.
15:48Yeah,
15:48well,
15:48I would tell you,
15:49but we were way off the mark,
15:50which we were about to discover
15:52when we got access
15:53to his cloud account.
15:55Okay.
15:57I may have finally found it.
16:00I'm so close
16:01to getting some real answers.
16:05See that?
16:16Oh, my God.
16:29A guy pretending to be dead
16:31breaking into a secure military facility
16:34doesn't seem like
16:34the best idea.
16:35No,
16:36he wasn't just breaking
16:36into any military facility.
16:39It was Area 67.
16:41What does that mean?
16:42That's where the government
16:42keeps the aliens.
16:49So,
16:50Rich broke into
16:50a secret government base
16:51on the hunt
16:52for a massive conspiracy
16:53then stabbed himself
16:54in the chest?
16:55I mean,
16:55at that point,
16:55it's obvious what happened.
16:56Is it?
16:57Come on.
16:58Remember what Rich said
16:59right before he died?
17:00I can't die!
17:01It's inside of me!
17:03It won't let me die!
17:04Yeah,
17:04I'm not following.
17:05Rich was exposed
17:06to an alien parasite.
17:09It was inside him.
17:11Were you familiar
17:12with Area 67?
17:13I'd heard of it.
17:14Yeah.
17:15There's this AM radio station
17:17I used to listen to
17:18back in Foxburg.
17:18Kept me awake
17:19when I was working late.
17:20The host was obsessed
17:22with UFOs.
17:23Val's Velvet Bunker?
17:24That's the one.
17:25He was a little bit out there,
17:27but always entertaining.
17:29Area 51 is theater.
17:31Do you believe,
17:33do you really believe
17:34the most secretive
17:36military installation
17:37in the world
17:37would let itself
17:38become a tourist attraction?
17:40No,
17:41no,
17:41no,
17:41no.
17:41Area 51
17:42is the distraction.
17:44Area 67
17:45is the real deal.
17:47You know why California
17:48has all those earthquakes?
17:49It's not San Andreas Fault,
17:51my friends.
17:52It's the sonic resonance
17:53from Area 67
17:55underground testing chambers.
17:57Did you believe
17:58in his theories?
17:58No,
17:59no.
18:00Like I said,
18:01just entertainment.
18:02Let's hear from a caller.
18:03Hi,
18:03name's John,
18:04long-time listener,
18:05fourth-time caller.
18:05Hey,
18:06John from Foxburg,
18:07welcome back.
18:08What have you got
18:08for us tonight?
18:09I swear to God,
18:10I just saw a UFO.
18:14John is such a common name.
18:16I'm open to the possibility
18:18of extraterrestrial life.
18:19You are?
18:20Yeah.
18:20It's a big universe.
18:22Anything could be out there.
18:23I don't know.
18:23People who claim
18:24to have seen aliens
18:25tend to be a little off.
18:27You're friends
18:27with the corpse, right?
18:28Well, yeah,
18:29we were more than friends,
18:29but fair enough.
18:30Okay.
18:31Legally,
18:32is it necrophilia
18:33if she only did
18:34over-the-clothes stuff?
18:35That's a great question.
18:36Oh,
18:36I definitely believe.
18:37In fact,
18:39I've been abducted
18:40by aliens.
18:41Really?
18:42Multiple times.
18:43Apparently,
18:45I'm a fascinating subject.
18:46I remember the last time
18:48Smitty was abducted.
18:50Turns out he partied
18:50too hard in Vegas
18:51and woke up in Wisconsin.
18:53Missing time.
18:54One of the hallmarks
18:55of alien abductions
18:57had been stricken.
18:58Point is,
18:59the government
19:00had little gray men
19:02in their secret labs
19:03for decades.
19:04What are they doing with that?
19:06They're implanting the aliens
19:07in unsuspecting hosts
19:08and taking over their bodies.
19:10You just never know
19:11who might be one of them.
19:14Some people in the station
19:16believed Rich stabbed himself
19:17to kill an alien parasite.
19:19But,
19:20I wouldn't say
19:21that was a dominant theory.
19:23It wasn't long before
19:23we figured out
19:24Rich believed
19:25something darker
19:26and it was connected
19:27to the seven murders.
19:28Then why did Rich
19:29break into the army base?
19:31Yes,
19:31I remember the incident.
19:33Rich Rowley
19:34cut through a fence.
19:35He trespassed
19:35on government property.
19:36He was promptly apprehended
19:38and sent on his way.
19:39Do you have any idea
19:40what Rich was looking for?
19:41As it turns out,
19:42he was looking for me.
19:44But,
19:44not because of any
19:46alleged aliens.
19:47So,
19:48why did he come?
19:51this part is
19:52a little bit embarrassing.
19:55Before I found
19:56my calling in the military,
19:57I thought
19:57that I wanted
19:59to be an actor
19:59and I was in
20:01a few DTV movies.
20:03What's DTV?
20:04You're so young.
20:05Direct to video.
20:06They made all these
20:07super cheap movies
20:08back in the 80s and 90s.
20:10You make them
20:10as cheaply as possible
20:11and then hope
20:12that someone was drawn in
20:13enough by the cover art
20:14to rent them.
20:16A guy can't have
20:17a side gig?
20:18Totally.
20:18How did you get in acting?
20:19Some director
20:20scouted me
20:21when I pulled him over.
20:22He said I had a
20:24bitch and bod.
20:25Well, he wasn't wrong.
20:26But I gave it up
20:27because the people
20:28of this city
20:29needed a savior.
20:31Yeah,
20:32you are the model
20:32of public service.
20:34Right.
20:34Anyway,
20:35Rich became interested
20:36in this terrible
20:38B movie
20:38that I was in.
20:40I played a monk.
20:41It was called
20:42300 Days of Hell.
20:47Terrible B movie,
20:48that's what you called it?
20:49300 Days of Hell
20:50is the scariest film
20:51of the 1990s.
20:52Really?
20:53The Ring,
20:53Scream,
20:54Blair Witch Project?
20:54Which one of us
20:55executive produced
20:56a horror movie?
20:57Trust me,
20:57T-H-D-O-H
20:59is true nightmare fuel.
21:01It's not that scary.
21:02She may be watching
21:03the beginning
21:04of our relationship.
21:05When he was still
21:05trying to impress me.
21:08You want to watch
21:09it again tonight?
21:10I would.
21:12Totally.
21:12I do have plans, though.
21:16Yeah, I'm not
21:16watching that crap.
21:17Even if it is
21:18for a case.
21:18I see enough
21:20horror on the job.
21:21That being said,
21:22300 Days of Hell
21:23was our first
21:24real window
21:25into the rabbit hole
21:26that Rich had gone down.
21:27A rabbit hole
21:27filled with demons.
21:28Or rather,
21:30a demon.
21:31So Rich believed
21:31a demon had killed
21:32all those people?
21:33No, the killers
21:33were definitely human.
21:34Killers, plural?
21:35Yeah, there was
21:36different trace DNA
21:37on all the bodies.
21:38All from different subjects.
21:40And none of them
21:40were in the system.
21:42Meaning?
21:42The murders
21:43were committed
21:43by a group of people
21:44with shared beliefs.
21:46A murder cult.
21:47The cult believed
21:48a demon named Malifus
21:49had been possessing
21:50people all across
21:51the city,
21:51jumping from host
21:52to host.
21:53And it was up
21:54to them
21:54to stop it.
22:00The legend of Malifus
22:02is centuries old.
22:03The first mention
22:04we see of him
22:05is 1433's
22:06lesser grimoire
22:07of Solomon
22:08by Slovenian inquisitor
22:10Terencius Bruma.
22:12A reference text
22:13of demons
22:14and their attributes.
22:16Gnarly.
22:17Right?
22:17He's also known
22:19as the deceiver,
22:20the infester,
22:21and demon
22:21of 300 days.
22:22Why?
22:23Once summoned to earth,
22:24Malifus won't rest
22:25until he finds
22:26a human host.
22:27After possession begins,
22:29he incubates.
22:30300 days.
22:32What happens
22:32after 300 days?
22:33He reaches full strength
22:35and his power
22:36becomes uncontainable.
22:38Uh-oh.
22:41Um, if Malifus
22:42was summoned to earth,
22:43how would one
22:44stop him?
22:44Bruma suggests
22:45killing the host
22:46might slow Malifus down,
22:48forcing him to
22:49regenerate
22:49before he can find
22:50a new host,
22:51a process that
22:52also can be slowed
22:54by the use
22:55of copper.
22:56It was the pennies.
22:58The pennies.
22:58It all came back
22:59to the pennies.
23:00Before 1984,
23:02U.S. pennies
23:02were 95% copper.
23:04So the copper
23:04in the pennies
23:05was meant to bind
23:05the demon,
23:06but what about
23:06the 1930 part?
23:07Are you familiar
23:09with numerology?
23:11Some ancient peoples
23:13and Taylor Swift
23:14believed there was
23:16a mystical connection
23:17between letters
23:18and numbers.
23:20Using the Chaldean method,
23:21the name Malifus
23:22becomes a digit 1930.
23:24So you're saying...
23:25We had a theory.
23:26Whoever killed
23:27those people
23:27believed the victims
23:29were possessed
23:29by Malifus.
23:31They had to reach
23:32Malifus' host
23:33before he reached
23:35his true form.
23:35A 1930 penny
23:36was the perfect tool.
23:37Yeah, Rich's talk
23:38of it's inside me,
23:40it won't let me die,
23:41he thought he was
23:42infested by this demon too
23:43and that's why
23:44he killed himself.
23:45Wait, I thought
23:46Rich didn't believe
23:47in Malifus.
23:48Isn't that why
23:48he was trying
23:49to stop the cult?
23:49Yes, but years
23:51of obsession
23:51and paranoia
23:52can do a number
23:52on a person's psyche.
23:54I mean, it seems
23:54as though in the end
23:55Rich could no longer
23:56distinguish fantasy
23:57from reality.
23:58And you got this theory
23:59from Rich's files?
24:00Well, I mean,
24:00we actually got it
24:01from Opus.
24:02And they say
24:03watching old horror movies
24:04isn't a good use
24:05of time.
24:06I never said that.
24:15Are we safe, brother?
24:17Is Malifus banished?
24:19His sigil is drawn.
24:21The right is spoken.
24:22We have sealed
24:23his last human vessel
24:25with copper.
24:32Heaven forgive us.
24:34Indeed.
24:36For hell will not.
24:40Midnight.
24:41The 300th day.
24:44Our task was done
24:45none too soon.
25:12Yeah, that was me.
25:16Do you guys want a glass?
25:17You got anything stronger?
25:20Fine, I'll just
25:21take the glass.
25:23Okay, I'll just
25:23I'll have nothing,
25:24actually.
25:25No fun for me.
25:26Yeah, that was
25:27my first big movie role.
25:30Well, my only one,
25:31really.
25:33Rich was so excited
25:35when I told him
25:35I booked it.
25:36He helped me run lines.
25:38Did Rich buy into
25:39the Malifus mythology?
25:40No.
25:41Weirdly,
25:41given all the conspiracies
25:42that Rich believed in,
25:43he was a total atheist.
25:46But I wouldn't have blamed him
25:47after everything
25:48that happened on that shoot.
25:49Like what?
25:52Before production wrapped,
25:54the DP was paralyzed
25:55driving to set.
25:56A stunt person
25:57had his leg amputated.
25:59There were divorces,
26:00bankruptcies,
26:00careers ended.
26:02One of the actors
26:03even died
26:04in his hotel room.
26:05People say
26:06the production was cursed.
26:08What about you?
26:09What do you believe?
26:10I believe the real curse
26:11was the director.
26:13He was a reckless maniac
26:15that didn't know
26:16how to run a set.
26:17Cuts!
26:18Cuts!
26:19Arthur!
26:20Arthur!
26:21Your strangulation,
26:22it has to be real.
26:25I want to feel
26:25a life draining from him.
26:27And you,
26:27you,
26:28you cannot move
26:29from your position,
26:31not even an inch.
26:32Guys,
26:32this ritual
26:34is extremely specific.
26:36Okay?
26:37Let's go again.
26:38Okay.
26:39I thought I was choking
26:40you pretty well.
26:40I'm sorry.
26:41Okay?
26:41I'm going to choke
26:41you a little harder.
26:42Ready?
26:43Douglas was real touchy
26:44about the religious stuff.
26:45I guess he had grown up
26:46in some sort of commune.
26:47And this was all based
26:48on stories he was told
26:50growing up.
26:51Okay,
26:51but what I heard
26:52is that they accidentally
26:53summoned Malifus for real.
26:54The director found
26:55some ancient tome
26:56and inserted the incantation
26:58and rituals verbatim.
27:00Ooh,
27:00I love that.
27:01And that's what got me thinking
27:02about the penny killings.
27:04We found the first victim
27:05just a little under 300 days
27:06after the summoning ritual
27:08was filmed.
27:08We knew Rich was aware
27:10of the Malifus legends.
27:10It was only natural
27:12to link them.
27:12So Rich thought
27:13that penny victims
27:14were killed by people
27:15trying to stop Malifus.
27:16Was he able to identify
27:17any of these killers?
27:18We know he tried.
27:21Hi.
27:21Hey,
27:22how are you?
27:22Jared.
27:23Hello.
27:24Wow.
27:25It's a pleasure
27:26to meet you, gentlemen.
27:27Pleasure to meet you, too.
27:29Why don't you tell us
27:29about yourselves?
27:30Yeah,
27:30we co-starred
27:33on a TV show together
27:34for 15 seasons
27:37called Supernatural.
27:38Yeah,
27:38we played Sam
27:39and Dean
27:40Winchester brothers
27:41that, you know,
27:43tracked and fought
27:44Supernatural beings.
27:45Like K-pop demon hunters.
27:47No,
27:48no,
27:48not like that.
27:49I mean,
27:50kind of like that.
27:52Okay.
27:53Can you tell us
27:53about your encounter
27:54with Rich Rowley?
27:55Yeah,
27:55yeah,
27:55yeah,
27:56Rich Rowley.
27:57He came to a fan event
27:59we did last year
28:00at MonsterCon.
28:02Yeah,
28:02you know,
28:02most people show up
28:03and they just want
28:04an autograph
28:05or a photo.
28:07But Rich was
28:09a different beast
28:10altogether.
28:11Yeah,
28:11yeah,
28:11he was super fixated
28:13on this one particular episode
28:15where we fought a demon.
28:16Malifus.
28:17Yeah,
28:18that one.
28:19Anyway,
28:20he seemed to think
28:20we, like,
28:22knew more about it
28:24than we were saying.
28:25More about what?
28:26Demon hunting.
28:27He kept, like,
28:28asking these
28:29super pointed questions
28:30like he was
28:32testing us
28:33or something.
28:34Did you have an answer?
28:35No.
28:36No,
28:36I mean,
28:36we didn't come up
28:38with these stories,
28:39you know,
28:39we just did what
28:39the writers wrote.
28:40It's called acting.
28:41There's no actual
28:42demon hunters
28:43in real life.
28:44Exactly.
28:45Uh,
28:45that's not exactly true.
28:47There is at least one.
28:49And it actually
28:50connected to the movie.
28:52We heard the director
28:53brought a priest
28:54named Father Simon McCabe
28:55to bless the set
28:56every day before filming.
28:57Well,
28:58it was either that
28:58or the whole crew
28:59was going to walk.
29:00Does that name
29:01mean anything
29:01to you?
29:04About 15 years ago,
29:05Lopez and I
29:06had just finished
29:06our rookie years.
29:07We responded to a,
29:08call it a house
29:09of a priest
29:10doing an exorcism
29:11with a 16-year-old girl.
29:12It had been going
29:12on for three days.
29:13Father, no!
29:14Please!
29:17Please!
29:19Help her!
29:20Please!
29:24I see you.
29:25I speak to you, sir.
29:27I mean...
29:27Get away from her!
29:31Father,
29:31Father, forgive me!
29:38Did you feel like
29:39you'd seen the devil?
29:40The only thing in that room
29:41that belonged in hell
29:42was Father Simon.
29:43He kept saying
29:44he had to.
29:45The whole way
29:45to the station.
29:46I'm sorry I had to.
29:47I'm sorry I had to.
29:49Because he believed
29:49she was possessed.
29:50She had a brain tumor.
29:52That's what they found
29:53after the autopsy.
29:54She needed a doctor,
29:55not an exorcism.
29:56And he wasn't a man of God.
29:58He was a killer.
29:58And the courts agreed.
30:00So Father Simon
30:01was convicted
30:02of first-degree murder.
30:03When we processed him,
30:04we found a penny
30:04in his pocket.
30:05Nothing else,
30:06just a penny.
30:07Didn't mean anything
30:07at the time,
30:08but after Rich connected
30:09those seven murders,
30:10it seemed likely
30:11he was involved.
30:12Involved?
30:12Like he killed them?
30:13No, Simon was already
30:15in prison when
30:16five of the murders
30:16took place.
30:17And his DNA didn't match
30:18any that was found
30:19on the corpses.
30:20But he could have been
30:21part of whatever group
30:22Rich was so afraid of.
30:24Which means he knew
30:24more than he had told us,
30:26so we had to go back.
30:29Officers,
30:30I remember you.
30:31You were the ones
30:32who tried to stop the ritual.
30:33I wish we would have
30:34gotten here sooner.
30:34Becca Scott might still
30:35be alive.
30:36Oh, she was long gone
30:37before you arrived.
30:39The demon saw the bat.
30:40Malifas?
30:42Do not say its name
30:43in my presence.
30:44What, are you afraid
30:45we might accidentally
30:46summon it?
30:47You may scorn me
30:49and my beliefs,
30:50but I have fought this evil.
30:51I know enough
30:52to fear its power.
30:54What's more evil
30:54than murdering a child?
30:56I took no pleasure
30:57in the act.
30:58I'm grateful I had
30:59the courage
30:59to do what was necessary.
31:01Courage?
31:01Tell us about the penny
31:02that was in your pocket.
31:04In the movie
31:05300 Days of Hell,
31:06Malifas is sealed
31:07inside his host
31:07with copper
31:08before he can be killed.
31:10Banished,
31:11not killed.
31:12What's the difference?
31:13The demon is a
31:15parasite.
31:16It needs a host.
31:17Once you kill the body
31:18that inhabits it,
31:20find a new one.
31:21Becca Scott was just
31:22a single battle
31:23in a larger war.
31:24If you're in here,
31:26who's doing the fighting now?
31:29The Knights of Avila.
31:31Los Angeles
31:32has a long history
31:33of spiritualism,
31:35esoteric religions
31:35that go back
31:36over 100 years.
31:37So think
31:37Aleister Crowley,
31:39Jack Parsons,
31:39L. Ron Hubbard.
31:40He freaking loves this stuff.
31:42I do.
31:43Anyway,
31:43a lot of these groups
31:44started out
31:45as fraternal orders,
31:46similar to the Freemasons,
31:47where people would gather
31:49and share.
31:50Well,
31:50yeah,
31:51yes,
31:51and some women
31:53and they would share
31:53new ideas,
31:55explore philosophies.
31:56They also liked
31:57partying,
31:58doing drugs,
31:59and performing
31:59weird sex rituals.
32:01Sign me up.
32:04For the intellectual
32:05exchanging of ideas,
32:06obviously.
32:07So the Knights of Avila
32:08is one of these groups.
32:09It was.
32:10Like a lot of the
32:10similar organizations
32:11of the time,
32:12it fell apart
32:12when the founder died.
32:13It hasn't been active
32:14in 60 years.
32:16Then what was
32:16Father Simon talking about?
32:18Based on Tim and Lopez's
32:19conversation with
32:20Father Simon,
32:21we began to believe
32:22that the group,
32:22or at least the name,
32:25had been revived
32:26sometime in the late 90s
32:27to the early 2000s
32:28and rebranded
32:30as some kind of
32:31demon hunting cult.
32:33So Rich was actually right.
32:35There was a murderous
32:36cabal after him.
32:37It seemed that way.
32:38And we were getting close
32:40to discovering
32:41who their ringleader was.
32:44I found him.
32:45Found who?
32:46Doug Roberts.
32:47I want to throw
32:47a live training from him.
32:49Oh, you mean the director
32:50of the sad little demon porn?
32:51Where?
32:52I was going through
32:52some old industry trades
32:53from around the time
32:54THDOH was slated to come out.
32:56One of the articles
32:57mentioned that Roberts
32:58was a client of
32:59Stuart Wynecliffe
32:59at the Golden Talent Agency.
33:01The guy hasn't made a movie
33:02in 26 years.
33:02I doubt they still rep him.
33:03Not actively, no.
33:05But I called their offices
33:06and I bribed their, like,
33:08I talked one of the assistants
33:09into giving me the address
33:10where his residual checks are sent.
33:11It's downtown.
33:12Let's go.
33:13Hold on.
33:13You just want to go
33:14doorstep the guy?
33:15If that means go knock
33:16on a door while also filming,
33:17then yes.
33:18Yeah, I'm not in the business
33:19of gotcha journalism.
33:20What about the business
33:21of making that paper?
33:23The guap?
33:25Money, guy.
33:26Come on.
33:27The doc business
33:27is oversaturated these days.
33:29We need footage
33:29that P.O.Ps.
33:31And what pops more
33:32than blindsiding
33:32a potential cult leader?
33:34Come on.
33:36What's the worst
33:36that could happen?
33:38This is it.
33:40Okay.
33:41Here, here's your camera.
33:43Um, I don't operate.
33:45Oh.
33:48Now, you do.
33:52Let's go.
33:54What floor is it on?
33:56Eight, but, uh,
33:57there's an elevator.
33:58Don't worry.
34:04Are you sure it's that way?
34:06Yep.
34:07Nope.
34:09You know,
34:09at the risk of being
34:11called a scaredy cat,
34:12you do understand
34:13that this is inherently
34:14neither a wise
34:15nor safe activity?
34:16You're asking a woman
34:17if she understands
34:18that it's inherently dangerous
34:20to go anywhere
34:21or do anything?
34:22When you put it that way,
34:24I sound like an ass.
34:26Oh, that's a new one.
34:28Do you tell me?
34:28Maybe we should
34:29come back?
34:31Hey, hello,
34:32Douglas Roberts.
34:33We're here to question you
34:34about murders and demons.
34:36That should get his attention.
34:38Oh.
34:40I am just an intern.
34:43So,
34:44clearly we're not deceased,
34:46which means...
34:47We saved you
34:48from certain deaths?
34:49I'm not sure
34:49how certain it was.
34:50Oh, it felt
34:51pretty certain to me.
34:52Please don't kill us.
34:53We will join your cult.
34:54Is there a membership fee
34:55or a secret handshake?
34:56I love a secret handshake.
34:57Ignore her.
34:58She's not right in the head.
34:59In fact,
34:59she has short-term memory issues,
35:00so if you let her go now,
35:01she won't remember any of this.
35:02Just shut up.
35:03No one's going anywhere.
35:04I mean, technically,
35:04we're all going somewhere.
35:10All right, let him go.
35:11Get your hands up.
35:13Up against the chief now.
35:14Let's go.
35:20Oh, my God.
35:21Hey, yeah.
35:22Thanks for trying to save me,
35:24even though I'm the one
35:25who put us in danger.
35:26No problem.
35:28I was about to do the same thing,
35:29but you just beat me to it.
35:31I can be noble, too.
35:33No doubt.
35:33Yeah.
35:34I get very claustrophobic.
35:35Can I just point out
35:36how claustrophobic I get?
35:37So when did you and Douglas meet?
35:40In the movie.
35:41He was, you know,
35:43so commanding and driven
35:44and everything I wasn't.
35:46When did he start talking
35:47about killing the demon?
35:48It was at least a year after that.
35:51He would call me late at night
35:53and talk about the demon
35:54and how scared he was for the world,
35:56and eventually it started to make sense.
35:59And he told you
36:00that someone was possessed?
36:02Correct.
36:03Her name was Cynthia.
36:06She cried when I tied her up,
36:07and she kept saying
36:08that she was not a demon.
36:10She begged me to believe her,
36:13and...
36:16At that point,
36:17he was very deep in my head.
36:20And then tonight,
36:21you know,
36:21all the lies he was spewing
36:22at the end.
36:24It was like somebody
36:24turned on the light switch.
36:25I could just see him
36:27for who he was.
36:28So pathetic.
36:32We'll need you to write up
36:33a detailed confession.
36:39I would like to make a deal.
36:43We have already located
36:44your co-conspirators.
36:45You don't really
36:46have anything to offer.
36:48You don't want to know
36:50what an alien spaceship
36:50looks like?
36:52I am all that stands
36:54between the world
36:56and damnation.
36:58So all of the people
36:59that you had targeted,
37:00they had to die
37:01for the greater good?
37:03Yes.
37:03And my heart breaks
37:05for each of them.
37:07But I will not let
37:08innocence fall to perdition.
37:10Okay.
37:10Have you had your fill of BS?
37:12God, yes.
37:13Okay, me too.
37:14So, uh, first victim.
37:17Cynthia Green.
37:18You did it for two years
37:19before she cheated on you.
37:20Marcus Ford.
37:21He worked as a teamster
37:22on your movie,
37:23then later sued you
37:24for non-payment.
37:25Pamela Jones
37:27wrote a scathing review
37:29of your movie.
37:30Really?
37:30I...
37:31I had no idea.
37:32All seven victims
37:33were people who
37:34wronged you in some way.
37:36You don't even believe
37:37in the demon.
37:37You just used it
37:38as a tool to get people
37:39with weak minds
37:40to do your dirty work
37:41for you.
37:44Exactly.
37:45I was the director.
37:46I think you'll find
37:47I never laid a finger
37:49on any of the victims.
37:51And I think you will find
37:52that Manson died in prison.
37:57All right.
37:58Uh, anything else?
37:59No, I think we got everything.
38:01Okay.
38:03That was a crazy one, huh?
38:04Tell me about it.
38:05And look, thanks so much
38:06for all of your time
38:07and for saving our lives.
38:09Anything from my favorite
38:10documentarian?
38:10Actually, the only documentarian
38:11I know.
38:12Not true.
38:13I'm a documentarian, too.
38:14Of course.
38:14Yes.
38:15Oh, speaking of,
38:16how did this whole
38:17working together thing go?
38:19Is this the start
38:20of a beautiful friendship?
38:21I don't know.
38:22I mean, we have
38:23very different styles
38:24and instincts
38:25and, well,
38:26basically everything,
38:27but I'd be able
38:28to do another collaboration.
38:31Oh, um,
38:33it's just I, uh,
38:34I kind of signed
38:35an exclusive three-film deal
38:37with Hulu.
38:38What?
38:38Yeah, I, um,
38:39I sent them a sizzle reel
38:40of this project.
38:41Just the me parts
38:42and, uh, they freaked.
38:43Said I'm gonna be
38:44the new face of true crime.
38:46Their words.
38:46Wow, I mean,
38:47you'd probably be able
38:48to bring him along,
38:49though, right?
38:50Oh, totally.
38:52Totally.
38:54I gotta go.
38:56But, uh, thanks again.
38:57Hello?
38:58No, I said Toronto
38:59and then Cam.
39:02She'll probably call you.
39:04Yeah.
39:40Damn it.
39:41Damn it.
39:44Damn it.
39:45Turn it.
39:46Hey, how great about this?
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