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00:01Hello we are live and we have a packed program for you this morning with
00:05appeals from across the UK. Do you know the person behind the wheel in this hit
00:10and run? We'll also be hearing how a diver, a driver, ends up in deep water.
00:24It is a daring river rescue that one and a firefighting robot
00:29joins us in the studio. Welcome to crime watch live.
00:34He's been jamming the switchboard both here and at the instant room on that case of wedding card.
00:39Just to remind you this was the induction and reno block campaign and the handgun debate.
00:46Hello and welcome to crime watch 12 people rang and giving the same
00:50this fantastic presentation.
01:00Hello thanks for joining us here at crime watch live. It is a hotbed of activity in central
01:06Cardiff as our team are ready to take your calls right now. Remember contact details
01:12are at the bottom of the screen and will be throughout the program.
01:17Now as Michelle said we have got a packed program and we are diving straight into
01:21an urgent appeal from the Met police who are looking for information on an attempted sexual
01:26assault in London. The victim managed to fight off her attacker but the police are understandably
01:30very concerned that the man is still at large. Here to tell us more is Detective Sergeant Pembe.
01:36Ray F. Pembe thanks for coming in it's always great to have you on the program but it always
01:39means you've got an urgent appeal that's exactly what you've got now. Tell us what's happened.
01:43Yeah so it was the early hours of the 17th of January just after midnight in Hartlington Park
01:49which is in Tottenham London. The victim who's a young female in her early 20s was walking home
01:55pushing her five-month-old baby in a pram. Shortly after entering the park she was almost immediately
02:01attacked from behind. She was pushed to the ground where the suspect has then tried to remove her
02:06trousers ripping them in the process. He was also unbuckling his own trousers so his intentions were
02:12clear what he was doing. The victim has luckily managed to kick this suspect away. He's then fled
02:18the scene and he's left in a direction the victim couldn't explain where he ran to.
02:22Absolutely terrifying incident there. Have you been able to get any sort of description of the suspect?
02:29Yeah so the victim describes this man as a white male, possibly eastern European. He was aged in his 40s,
02:39he had short brown straight hair, he was medium build around five foot eight in height and he was also
02:46wearing a thinly padded long coat, black coat, black trousers and she also described him as being unkempt
02:53and possibly intoxicated at the time. Okay you've done a lot of work you and your team around CCTV
02:59and there's some CCTV we're going to see now. These are people you'd like to speak to, potentially
03:07people persons of interest. What are we seeing here? Yeah so this male is we're particularly keen to speak
03:13to him and identify who he is. He's seen in the CCTV discarding some wet wipes. We have recovered those
03:19wet wipes but we are also aware that the victim had wet wipes at the bottom of the pram that
03:24she was
03:24pushing at the time. Okay there's another clip of CCTV we're going to see now of two people meeting in
03:30the street. Can you just talk us through what we're seeing here and the potential significance?
03:34Yeah so the man we can see here is the same male that discarded the wet wipes. He's seen engaging
03:39with
03:39a female on screen. We don't know who this female is but again we're keen to speak to her to
03:44see what the
03:45nature of their conversation was. She may be able to provide us with a better description of this
03:50male and also maybe explain what his accent was like. She may also know him. Yeah it could be really
03:55important information that she could help with. So you just want to find out who she is. Now I know
04:00that this has had a massive impact on on the victim this attack hasn't it? She's actually provided us
04:06a statement which I can read to you now and she says,
04:09I feel on edge every single day. I haven't gone out when it's been dark since. I get random waves
04:16of emotions where I am feeling upset and overwhelmed not knowing why this has happened or who has done
04:23this to me has made me more panicked. I do want justice. I do want him to be found and
04:30I want others
04:31to be vigilant when they are out. I mean really strong powerful words there from her. I know you and
04:38your team have been dealing with her. How is she now? Understandably she's extremely shaken after
04:43what's happened. It's had a detrimental effect on her confidence. She's scared to leave her house
04:48especially at night. She no longer feels safe in the area that she lives in. So we're really keen to
04:55sort of make her feel safe but she's also in a position where she's wanting to just up you know
05:02stakes and leave and go somewhere completely different which is really sad. So sad to hear.
05:07So how can our viewers help you today? What's that crucial information you need? Well we're appealing
05:12to people to obviously see these people on the CCTV. Anyone who can identify them especially the man
05:18even if it's just to eliminate him from our investigation at this time. We're really keen to
05:23speak to him but it could be that someone knows who the actual attacker is. Has this person boasted to
05:29someone? Have they heard about it or did they witness the incident at the time? Anyone with
05:34any information please come forward. We're desperate to get justice for this victim and also stop this
05:39man from attacking anyone else in the future. Pambe, thank you. There's loads of ways you can get in
05:44touch if you can help. Remember you can call us 08000 468 999. You can text us on 63399. Start
05:51the
05:51message with the word crime. Leave a space then write your text or email us cwl at bbc.co.uk.
05:57Remember it can be the
05:58smallest bit of information that can make all the difference. Now a wrong turn leads a driver
06:04into a torrent of water. It is a nail-biting river rescue and a race against time to save a
06:11person
06:11trapped in the car. I'm Sergeant Lee Baker. I'm based at Malvern Police Station. I currently work on the
06:22local policing priorities team. We cover jobs all across the force area. So I'm PC Tom Simmons.
06:32I've worked with Lee probably around six years now in total.
06:40It was the morning of the 25th of April. It was five minutes to eight and I was due at
06:50my brother's
06:51at eight o'clock. GPS had taken me down Walcott Lane, which I had never been down before.
07:02And I got to what looked to be like a puddle. And I thought,
07:10no, I'll back up. And I called my brother to say, I'm going to be late. And as I was
07:18on the phone to him,
07:21the water started to move under the car. And I couldn't get the car to go at all.
07:31Then all of a sudden the car started to move sideways. And then I knew I was in trouble.
07:45I'm floating down a river and my car's filling up with water.
07:50Oh my God!
07:53Can you get out of the car safely?
07:56I don't know. I don't know how deep it is.
08:00We were just about to head out. And I heard a call on my radio to say that there was
08:09an ongoing
08:10incident at Walcott Lane Ford. There was somebody stuck in a vehicle in the water and that the water
08:19level was rising. Immediately prior to the incident, there had been quite a lot of rainfall.
08:27Ordinarily, it's perfectly passable. But when it is in flood, it becomes a completely different story.
08:34From what she was saying to the control room, it was quite clear that water was rising so fast that
08:40within five minutes, you're not sure whether she's got any room left in the car to breathe.
08:46I was aware that previously there had been a fatality at that location,
08:51where somebody had been swept away and drowned.
08:55I did start going through the Death River and I started to feel completely hysterical.
09:03Oh my God! Hester, will they be there? Hester, will someone be here?
09:08I'm going to find out.
09:09Okay, stay calm. I'm going to find out for you. I'm going to stay on the line with you.
09:13And I'm going to find out.
09:22When we were in the car, it was definitely a race against time. You could tell straight away,
09:28it was urgent.
09:30I had a window smasher. It didn't work, so I was completely trapped.
09:52I had to become completely calm at that point because I realized that was it. I'm not going to be
10:02saved.
10:13The most concerning thing when we first got there was that we couldn't actually see the vehicle.
10:20I walked sort of 50, 75 yards further down when I saw the back end of the car sticking up.
10:29Then it sort of hit home really just how much danger this woman was in.
10:35As soon as I could get down to the car, I could see she actually had her hands up in
10:40the air holding
10:40her mobile phone. And it was just her head on show.
10:44I didn't hear anybody arriving. I was just suddenly surrounded by people.
11:02The doors wouldn't open from the outside. I held onto Tom because the banks were so
11:10unstable and the vehicle was continuing to sink.
11:17It didn't look like there was much time left.
11:28I did the rear window first, then the driver's window.
11:33Down to the door if you want.
11:42I'm going to run around you.
11:44Don't apologize, don't apologize.
11:47Don't worry about your stuff and get that out of the rug.
11:50Do you have to try and do this window more?
11:51OK.
11:55Oh, my leg stuck up.
11:57What's your leg stuck on?
12:05The feeling on actually being able to grab hold of her was, it was a great feeling.
12:11It took so much pressure off us.
12:13We've got you.
12:14We're not going to let you go.
12:15Annie was obviously very distressed.
12:17She was very apologetic.
12:20I'm sorry.
12:20We've got you.
12:21You're fine.
12:22Ready?
12:22You're safe.
12:23We've got you.
12:25We've got you.
12:26I'm so sorry.
12:27There we go.
12:28It was a massive relief to get her out onto the bank.
12:31Keep on me.
12:33We've got you, Shan.
12:34Good job.
12:36Good job.
12:41We've got an ambulance here.
12:43They're going to look at you because you're nice and you're really cold, aren't you?
12:45I'm sorry.
12:47I'm sorry.
12:47Don't apologise.
12:48Let's get you on the ambulance.
12:49Shall we get the ambulance?
12:50I went back to look at the car after we'd just fetched her out.
12:54And where her head was, was now underwater.
12:59I'm fairly confident, I think, in saying that if we were five minutes, ten minutes later,
13:06it wouldn't have been the same result.
13:08We wouldn't have fetched her out there alive.
13:10I do believe this could have happened to anyone.
13:13The Ford is on a blind corner.
13:15It is in a dip.
13:16It can happen fast and it quite often does.
13:20Looking back, I'm just relieved that it had such a positive conclusion.
13:28You know, that might not have been the case.
13:30It was scary at the time, but you just focus on what job needs to be done.
13:37I was grateful to be saved.
13:42They are heroes.
13:44Without thought, question, they saved my life.
13:55Absolutely terrifying experience there, but great work by the emergency services.
14:00Now, getting into trouble in the water is actually far more common than you might think.
14:04Joe Thompson from the Royal Life Saving Society is with us now,
14:08and they want to see a new bit of kit installed along our waterways.
14:12Joe, actually, if we just talk about some of the stats around drowning,
14:16they're actually pretty staggering.
14:19Yeah.
14:19So, unfortunately, over 700 people drown in the UK and Ireland every year,
14:24and a lot of those drownings are in land, in rivers and lakes,
14:29and 60% of people that get into the water never intend to go in in the first place.
14:34We discussed a little about how actually it's much higher risk
14:38if you're a young man going into the water.
14:40So, we have a campaign called Don't Drink and Drown, which is...
14:44So, you often see them linked, alcohol and...
14:46Yeah.
14:47So, 18 to 25-year-old men, a lot of them have alcohol in their system.
14:51So, our campaign is so that people try and stay away from the water if they're drunk,
14:57looking out for their friends and making sure they don't go in.
14:59Really, really important.
15:01And so, yeah, staggering those statistics.
15:03Now, if I'm sitting in the waterways, I often see like a life ring,
15:08is that what you call it, like the hard plastic rings, sometimes in a plastic housing,
15:12we can see on the screen there.
15:14Typically, I'd see something like that, and within that, there would be a large plastic ring.
15:18But now, you want to see them more like this, where you've actually got throw bags inside,
15:23instead of a plastic ring. Why is that?
15:25So, throw bags are a lot easier to use, and like a lot of people see around the community defibs,
15:30these work in a similar way, where actually on the packaging, it tells you how to use it,
15:38and like gives you full instructions, and they're inside those, so then people can use them
15:43if they see someone in trouble in the water.
15:45So, with the plastic life rings, could that potentially be damaging if you were to fling that out and hit
15:51someone?
15:51Yeah, so they're much harder to use, they're much heavier, so they're hard to throw,
15:55as opposed to these are easier to throw, they're lighter, and they can actually be used again,
16:00because the rope is attached to the throw bag.
16:03So, the idea of this then, so someone at the side will be able to throw it into the water,
16:08someone can grab it, and you can actually pull them back in, is that the idea behind it?
16:12Yeah, so if you see someone in the water, we don't want people to go in after them,
16:15we want them to call 999, ask for the Fire and Rescue Service, or the Coast Guard if you're at
16:20the sea,
16:21and if you've got anything like this, then you can throw it in the water and pull them to shore.
16:26Well, let's have a look how easy it is to demo then.
16:30So, you want to hold onto the rope in your fist, make sure you don't wrap it around your wrist,
16:34because you can be pulled into the water yourself, or you can damage your wrist.
16:38Hold onto the bag in a fist, and you want to do an underarm rope.
16:42So you don't need to unravel it?
16:42No, definitely don't unravel it, keep it all in the bag.
16:45The rope is attached to the bag, so if they hold onto the bag, or hold onto the rope,
16:49you can pull them in.
16:50Jo, we are live, no pressure, but go for it.
16:55Oh wow!
16:57Okay, that's fantastic actually, and it just comes straight out,
17:00and then if I was in the water, I'd just grab onto the bag, and the rope's not going to
17:03come out of the bag?
17:04No, so you can just pull it in, and then they can hold onto the bag, and hold onto the
17:09rope, and they'll come with it.
17:10That is absolutely fantastic to see that, and you want to see more of these on the waterways.
17:16If we do see anyone in the water struggling, any situation like that, what would your advice be?
17:21Because you've already said you don't want us to get into the water and put ourselves in danger, what should
17:25we do?
17:26Yeah, so stay away from the bank, call 999, ask for the Fire and Rescue Service, or the Coast Guard,
17:32if you're at the coast.
17:34And if you can see any public rescue equipment, then you can throw it to the person in the water,
17:39or if you've got basically anything that floats, so if you've got a football, they can hold onto it.
17:53Even something as simple as that.
18:00Now this is not an emergency service special, but we are going from water rescues to water that saves lives.
18:07Kent Fire Service are trialling some new tech to tackle blazes in the form of a robot.
18:13Welcome to Mark and Andy this morning.
18:16Now, for anyone that's watched it, this isn't a scene from Short Circuit, but this is a very impressive bit
18:22of kit.
18:22Tell us more, Mark.
18:23Yes, thanks for having us.
18:24So this is our firefighting robot.
18:27We've purchased this really to provide us with a different capability within Kent.
18:33We like to think we're a forward thinking, quite innovative service, and this is definitely one of the things we're
18:38looking at.
18:39So we've bought this really for four reasons.
18:43One of which, well the first and main one, is all about firefighter safety.
18:46So this can make, can go places and do things in areas where we wouldn't necessarily want to commit a
18:53firefighter.
18:53So having this in place makes our colleagues much, much safer.
18:59Yes.
18:59It's a really capable bit of kit that can do quite a few different things.
19:02Well, it's got a fire hose attachment as well, hasn't it?
19:06In fact, we've got some footage, we can see it in action.
19:09100%. Yeah, that's great.
19:10Very impressive.
19:12Yeah, so as you can see, it can squirt quite a lot of water.
19:16Yes.
19:17So it's got a connection at the back that we can connect to a fire engine.
19:20And its primary function, really, is to do just that.
19:25It's to get into places where we won't necessarily want to commit our people.
19:30And it can squirt a significant amount of water onto the fire.
19:34It can also retrieve casualties as well, can't it?
19:36Yeah.
19:37So the main purpose we bought for is that firefighting capability.
19:40But just to show its abilities and its strength and something we could potentially use it for is casualty evacuation.
19:48Quite amazing.
19:48And as you can see, it's quite a capable little robot for the size.
19:51It can comfortably drag a fully grown firefighter and we could use it for that purpose if needed.
19:58So as you say, a really useful tool for firefighters when they are in these dangerous situations to have technology
20:05like this.
20:05Exactly.
20:06And it's not just about firefighter safety.
20:08It's not just a tool for our firefighters.
20:10It's really around providing better response for the community.
20:13So what this can act as is like a force multiplier almost in that it can do things that allow
20:19us to reallocate resources from an incident to other places,
20:23back to the stations or to other incidents, providing that fire cover and keeping the public safe.
20:29We've also had quite a few incidents where it's reduced the duration, the time we spend at that incident.
20:33So again, getting people back into the homes, getting the community back up and running, getting businesses back up and
20:38running.
20:38If we can shorten that incident time, it's good for everybody.
20:42Makes so much sense, doesn't it?
20:44Andy, I see you operating the controls there. Easy to do?
20:47Yes, a little bit.
20:48It takes a little bit of training, but not too bad.
20:51So the operators will use this command station here.
20:54That looks a bit like something from James Bond.
20:57Could be a laptop, but actually...
20:58Absolutely, yeah.
20:59It's a nice tough one, because obviously out in the fire ground it can be exposed to a lot of
21:05contaminants and stuff like that.
21:06So it's a nice strong one.
21:07So they operate it from here.
21:08On there we've got the screen, and we've got three different screens.
21:11We've got a screen to drive it, we've got a thermal image screen at the top, and we've also got
21:15a screen from the main cameras.
21:17So when the operators use this, they use it out of line of sight, so they will actually drive it
21:21into a building or around a site and away from line of sight.
21:25So what they do is they use a camera on the front there, and they fly, and they operate it,
21:30what we call FPV, first person view.
21:33So it's though they're sitting on board the robot, and they're looking at that screen, watching where it goes.
21:37I see.
21:37Which is fantastic.
21:38The tracks on it, and the way the robot is designed, it's designed to go over the terrain we find
21:44in fires, uneven surfaces.
21:47It can go up and down steps and stairs.
21:49Oh, can it?
21:49So how does that work then?
21:51So the tracks on the front will go up and down, so if we approach a set of stairs or
21:56steps, we can lift the tracks up, it will grip onto the first step and go up the steps and
22:00then just climb up the steps.
22:02It's also, compared to a lot of firefighting robots, it's quite small and narrow, and that enables us to go
22:08through domestic house doorways and building doorways without having to make them any bigger ourselves.
22:14Wow.
22:14When we go into a building, obviously it's exposed to the extreme temperatures our firefighters are exposed to, you know,
22:21several hundred degrees centigrade and higher.
22:23So we need to protect the robot, so it has its own built-in cooling system on top, like a
22:27sprinkler system, and that drenches the whole robot and the cameras to actually keep it safe in those heat and
22:33temperatures.
22:35And lastly, I mentioned the cameras, so we've got the camera on the front, but this is the most important
22:39part of the back here, we've got cameras at the back here, we've got thermal and optical cameras.
22:42So if you're entering into a smoke-filled building, you might not be able to see exactly where the seat
22:47of the fire is.
22:48We use the thermal camera to actually direct the water onto the fire, and we can also use it to
22:53look for any casualties that may be in the building as well, it'll pick up the casualties.
22:57Gosh.
22:57And then lastly, we've got speak on it, and we've got two-way communication, so should we find someone, should
23:02we come across someone, we can actually communicate with those people as well, and hear back from them.
23:06It is packed with amazing tech, packed with loads of tech, yeah.
23:09And just so useful.
23:10Thank you so much, Andy and Mark, for coming in and showing us more.
23:13No problem. That's all right, you're welcome.
23:14Thanks for having us, nice to meet you.
23:16Now, our next film is an appeal to track down a dangerous driver who tried to run over a man
23:22in Runcorn.
23:23Can you help find the man behind the steering wheel?
23:27In terms of what's actually happened, it is atrocious.
23:32This was a deliberate attempt to cause serious injury.
23:36What are you playing at?
23:37This incident is as serious as it gets.
23:46On the 13th of June 2023, Alan Price and his brother went to visit their mum in Runcorn.
23:54It started off as a normal day, to be honest.
23:56Hello, how are you doing?
23:57It's all right?
23:58I go to my mum's every day.
24:02Had some dinner.
24:06About 6 o'clock-ish, a bit later, and we decided to walk up back to my brother's.
24:15But we mainly was talking about what film we were going to watch.
24:18Yeah, it's just, like, heart and chat.
24:22As we got to the East Lane, there's a roundabout there.
24:27I could hear him.
24:29Thought we had enough time to cross over.
24:32But a car come flying round the corner.
24:36A blue car.
24:42It nearly hit us.
24:44Both of us.
24:46I was just thinking, what an idiot.
24:48Was he drunk?
24:50I grabbed off.
24:51What are you playing at?
24:53To this day, I wish I hadn't.
24:57And then it just went on from there.
25:01He noticed me heading that way.
25:04I'm thinking that he thought I was coming for a confrontation with him.
25:10And then I see him do a new turn.
25:17I was expecting to stop.
25:20And talk to me.
25:22Or shout at me.
25:24But he drove onto the pavement.
25:26Put his foot down.
25:28I thought, this is it.
25:30I'm going to die now.
25:34Aaron!
25:34Aaron!
25:49All I could feel was blood pumping down my face.
25:53My brother, he just soaked the blood all over me.
25:57He was scared.
26:00The ambulance turned up.
26:02He didn't really know what the extent of my injuries at the time, obviously.
26:10So, he put my neck brace on.
26:14I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
26:16It was the most horrible thing I'd ever had to go through.
26:23The victim has sustained two breaks to his C-spine.
26:28He's suffered fractured ribs and he also had head wounds on the day.
26:32He still struggles now with what is being treated and is suspected as nerve pain,
26:38which he will probably be dealing with for the rest of his life.
26:43The CCTV in this case is horrendous.
26:48I find it quite remarkable that I've managed to speak to the victim in this case and that we're not
26:54dealing with a fatality on our roads.
26:56The victim is lucky to be alive.
27:00Detectives are still searching for any clues as to who was driving the vehicle.
27:06We've gone down a number of lines of inquiry and unfortunately the leads that we have have all drawn a
27:10blank up to now.
27:12There are people in that footage that were there on the day that we've not managed to trace.
27:16It's a busy road.
27:17This perpetrator may have been bragging about the act that they have committed.
27:22Someone must know something about this incident.
27:31Our victim needs justice. People need to feel safe.
27:37It's affected my mental health a lot.
27:41I think about it constantly.
27:44But I also think I'll look at him because I could have been dead.
27:50I just want the opportunity to ask him why.
27:53Why did he try and kill me?
27:56He used his car to try and kill me.
28:00And no-one should get away with that.
28:05Shocking, isn't it?
28:06Well, this collision happened really quickly and it left Alan with a spine broken in two places.
28:12The driver has never been found and could still be on the road driving recklessly.
28:17Let's remind ourselves of the details.
28:19It took place on the 13th of June 2023 at 6.48pm.
28:24Alan was walking near the Cineworld on Eastway.
28:27The car did a U-turn in the KFC and drove into Alan.
28:30After the incident, the driver sped off down East Lane in the direction of the Hallward Link Road.
28:37The car was a blue or purple Ford Fiesta and is described as being in a good state of repair.
28:44If you know anything about this case, please do come forward.
28:49Now, last week, Rab spoke to Detective Superintendent Damien Roebuck from West Yorkshire Police,
28:54who has an urgent appeal about a fatal attack in Leeds.
28:58He started by giving an overview of what happened.
29:02So, this is the murder investigation into 19-year-old Emmanuel Nyabako.
29:07It happened in the early hours of Saturday the 26th of August, 2023, in the Chapel Town area of Leeds.
29:13Emmanuel was on an e-scooter e-bike with a pillion passenger, a 15-year-old.
29:19We don't really know why they were in the area, but we do know that they were chased by two
29:23vehicles containing at least four people.
29:26They were chased through various streets around Leeds, and eventually, we think, Emmanuel crashed the bike and fled on foot.
29:33Now, they ran for a good 400 yards from their attackers, and as you can see from the screen here
29:39where the incident occurred, there was an altercation at there.
29:42The 15-year-old runs down the street and manages to get away.
29:46Emmanuel runs into the grounds of the large house you can see above where it says incident, and it's there
29:51where the fatal incident occurred.
29:53He's attacked by large pieces of wood and knives and received his fatal injuries.
29:58Absolutely horrific this happened there. Now, as part of the investigation, you have managed to arrest and convict three of
30:06those four individuals already.
30:08These are the three here. Talk me through these.
30:10So, Leeds Crown Court last year, the three people on screen there were convicted of the murder of Emmanuel and
30:15received 81 years.
30:16On the left, you've got Emil Rigan. In the middle, you've got Josephie Jeffers, and on the end, you've got
30:21Philip Bryant.
30:22As I said, they've all received justice and been to court. We are seeking a fourth male for this incident,
30:29for this murder.
30:30Well, this is the fourth male that you want to identify, you want to locate. There's two images, but it
30:38is the same person.
30:39It is the same person. That is Lewis Grant or Lewis O'Brien. He goes by both names.
30:44The image on the left is an older image. You can see he has got a scar under his left
30:49eye, but this image on the right is what we think is the most recent image, and it's after the
30:54actual offence.
30:55You can see he's got a large scar down his right eye, down towards his lip. It's really, really noticeable.
31:03Now, Lewis, Grant or O'Brien, he's got links to Sheffield, he's got links to Scotland, but I'm also not
31:09ruling out that he's managed to get out of the country.
31:11I need people to come forward and tell me where he is.
31:15I need to find out where he is for you and, of course, for the family, because this has had
31:19a huge impact on them.
31:21They have said to us that Emmanuel was not just a son. He was a brother and a friend.
31:28The future we had envisaged together had been cruelly snatched away and in its place is a void so profound
31:36that it threatens to swallow our hope.
31:40I mean, clearly and understandably had a massive impact on them.
31:43I know you and your team have been dealing with them closely. How are they doing at the moment?
31:46They need justice. They need closure. And with a fourth person outstanding, I can't give them that at this present
31:52time.
31:53Please come forward and tell me where he is. I just need a name. I just need a place.
31:57If you're worried, Crimestoppers, ring Crimestoppers. I just need his location and where he is.
32:04As I say, he's really noticeable. He's got that nasty scar. Where is he now?
32:08Yeah, that's what you need. It's just those simple details, isn't it? You just need to know where this individual
32:12is right now.
32:13And as you say, it's worth stressing that point. If they want to phone Crimestoppers, you can do that anonymously
32:18or just give you those details.
32:19That's all I'm after. OK, Damien, thank you.
32:22So if you know anything about where Lewis Grant or Lewis O'Brien, as he might be known, might be,
32:28then please do pass that information on.
32:33Now, the Internet can be a resource for everything from facts to keeping up with friends.
32:38But there is a darker side when online content can reaffirm ideas of self-harm or even encouraging people to
32:46take their own lives.
32:47This is something that our next guest, Alice Henze, has personal experience of after losing her brother, Josh, to suicide.
32:55But she's come up with an innovative way to intervene by developing something called Ripple.
33:01Alice, thank you so much for coming in today and sharing your story and telling us more about this tool.
33:07So valuable. How does it work?
33:09So Ripple is a piece of technology. It can be downloaded as a browser extension, works on all browsers.
33:17We can also put it onto Wi-Fi networks.
33:20And it means once downloaded, if somebody goes onto the Internet and searches for something harmful to do with the
33:28subject of self-harm or suicide,
33:30then the Ripple technology will intervene, interrupt and instead signpost that person to much needed mental health support services instead.
33:39And sadly, this is from a personal experience that this whole idea has come about, isn't it?
33:46Yeah, that's right. So in November of 2020, I lost my 21 year old younger brother, Josh, to suicide.
33:54And in the immediate aftermath of losing him, I went through all of his devices, trying really to find out
34:01answers as to as to why.
34:04And what I found was his search history had actually been he'd been looking at harmful material for about six
34:11months prior to him making that decision.
34:14Information on how he could take his life, step by step instructions, guidance, tips, even pain scales on there.
34:23And it made me think, you know, lots of other people are going to be struggling like my brother.
34:27So let's do something about it and try to make the world a safer place.
34:31So sorry to hear that, Alice.
34:32Really sorry. And Alice, it actually means so much for you to come in today and share this with us.
34:38Tell us a bit more about your brother, Josh. What was he like?
34:42He was a joker, very generous, kind, loving boy. He wasn't just my brother. He was my best friend as
34:52well.
34:54He would DJ at his friend's parties all of the time. We used to go to lots of concerts together.
35:02He was just a one of a kind and the last person, to be honest, that I'd think would would
35:07do something like this.
35:08Yeah, lovely pictures. Well, you're going to show us how this system works, Alice.
35:13Can you just give us a little demonstration?
35:16Yes, sure. So on the Ripple website, which is ripplesuicideprevention.com, if you click on to install,
35:23this is a completely free tool for parents to download to safeguard their kids.
35:29And here's the browsers that you can download it onto.
35:31And then as an example, if you go onto Google and you type in something harmful.
35:36So here I'm typing in self-harm and ripple immediately comes up.
35:42So you've got a short breathing exercise at the beginning.
35:45I can't click off of this at this stage. I'm forced to pause and to stop.
35:49And then once that breathing exercise has finished, the ripple tool itself is presented.
35:55You have a message of hope at the top and underneath you have two separate tabs.
36:00Talk to someone now and find continued support.
36:03The talk to someone now tab has the resources that are available immediately 24 seven for free for that person
36:11to access and utilise.
36:13And the find continued support tab has a range of different resources where people can access support on a more
36:20ongoing day to day basis.
36:22And one of the reasons we did this, again, linking back to my brother, he found it very difficult to
36:28talk over the telephone and open up about this mental health.
36:30A lot of people do, don't they?
36:31Yeah, absolutely. Especially if you're male, actually, as well.
36:34So what we're doing here is signposting to a range of different mental health support services in the hope that
36:41one of them will resonate.
36:43It doesn't matter how you get support. It's the fact that we want you to get it in the first
36:47place.
36:47It's so great that you've got all those different places that someone could turn to.
36:51And you know that already you're hearing it's helped so many people that had a similar situation and we're in
36:56a really dark place.
36:57Yeah. So since we launched Ripple in May 2021, we've now had over 2 million downloads of the Ripple technology.
37:06That's extraordinary.
37:07That's amazing, Alice.
37:07Yeah, it's more than we ever imagined. It's in 51 countries around the world. It's intercepted now over 100,000
37:18harmful online searches to do with self-harm and suicide.
37:21Wow.
37:21A number of languages as well.
37:23Yes, 14 different languages as well. And the stat really for me that means the most is even though we
37:30don't track or monitor any personal information,
37:33we've been approached now at our charity by 32 individuals who have come forward to tell us that they're still
37:40here because Ripple intervened at their most vulnerable point.
37:44And it's it's that statistic that keeps me going.
37:46I am absolutely sure you're doing incredible work and we must say congratulations on being awarded an MBE as well
37:53for all the valuable work that you're doing.
37:57Really appreciate you taking the time coming in today, Alice.
37:59Thanks very much.
38:00Thank you, Alice.
38:01If you are affected by this issue, you can visit Action Line for more resources and support.
38:08Now, a cancer diagnosis can be a daunting thing, but one team of volunteers are taking to the road and
38:17taking the pressure off the patients.
38:23So at Daft is Brush, our mission is to provide free transport from cancer patients.
38:29We provide a very bespoke service door to door for any patient who needs chemotherapy or radiotherapy.
38:37We literally will guide them right to the door of where they need to be to the ward, sit them
38:42in the right place and stay with them if they need us to.
38:49I'm Andrea Glover. I'm the CEO.
38:52Morning, everyone.
38:53I had a similar experience to what a lot of our patients and families go through in as much as
38:59my dad died with cancer and it was very, very drawn out.
39:03And at that point in time, I literally had a spreadsheet with all of his appointments on him.
39:08And it was nothing for him to be at one hospital in the morning, one hospital in the afternoon and
39:13a doctor's in between it all.
39:14And you realise what a strain it puts on people.
39:23My name's Pauline. I'm a volunteer driver.
39:27Been with Daft is Brush for over 10 years and love every occasion that I go out.
39:34My husband had cancer many, many years ago.
39:38I saw what people were going through and thought, can I get involved in helping people in the same way
39:43as I helped him?
39:44And that's how it all came about.
39:50Like any charity, ours couldn't exist without the volunteers and they are especially necessary here. The commitment is unbelievable.
40:01I'm Wyn Allen and I've worked with Daft is Brush over 10 years now. And I enjoy doing it.
40:08It's just a good day out and we're helping the patients, which is good.
40:16We're going to pick a lady up and transport her for her treatment.
40:21She'll have a treatment and we'll be there sitting, waiting for her coming out.
40:27Hello.
40:27Good morning.
40:28Listen, are you OK?
40:29Yeah, I'm OK.
40:30I'm with you for coming in.
40:31OK.
40:32Pauline is the driver today.
40:34Excellent.
40:35We can let you in.
40:36Thank you very, very much.
40:38Hello.
40:40The charity itself, it's such a brilliant idea in the first place.
40:44It's just genius.
40:46It's amazingly how expensive cancer is.
40:49And this service is saving me an absolute fortune in what would be taxi fares because I can't use public
40:58transport because I've got no immune system.
41:00It's not safe.
41:02So, being able to keep going and be on time and not have to worry about anything and just know
41:13that they're going to be there in the morning when your appointment's due and they're going to be there when
41:19you're done to take you home, it's invaluable.
41:22I can't put a price on safety.
41:26If this service wasn't available, then there is a real financial impact on people.
41:31And that literally can be the difference between having your treatment and not having your treatment.
41:35And this is not a nice-to-have treatment.
41:38This is a you-must-have-it treatment.
41:41It's funded through generous donations from the public.
41:45We work very, very hard to raise awareness within the local community and to drive the income that we have.
41:52Everything that we do comes from the public.
41:57Every pound helps us keep our fleet on the road and ensure that this vital service continues to be free
42:02of charge from start to finish.
42:09We wouldn't exist without volunteers. It is literally as simple as that. Our volunteers make the difference.
42:17They will wait in that hospital no matter how much a patient has been delayed and nobody will be left
42:22without someone to hold their hand should they need it.
42:24They are the heart of Daft as a Brush.
42:27Thank you very much.
42:28You're welcome. Take care.
42:30I might see if we can help the other treatment goes all right.
42:33Lovely. Thanks. Nice to have seen you.
42:34We started with one ambulance, two or three volunteers.
42:39We've grown enormously. We now have the best part of 300 plus volunteers.
42:43And each and every one of them is a member of the Daft as a Brush family.
42:49And what a great job they do.
42:51The volunteers are amazing.
42:52And that brings us to the end of today's show.
42:54We must say, actually, we've had some really promising calls, especially on one particular appeal.
42:58So we'll keep you up to date on that.
43:00And remember, you can watch any of the series so far on iPlayer.
43:02And do check out our Facebook page where some of our clips have been viewed millions of times.
43:07They really have. Tomorrow, a crime gang gets taken down.
43:12He looked like an ordinary guy.
43:15I didn't realise that we were going to be stopping a UK-wide organised crime group.
43:20Free!
43:24Taking a haul of heroin off the streets as well.
43:26Yeah, it's a good one.
43:27I'm going to see you tomorrow for that and more, same time, 10.45.
43:29We'll see you then.
43:59Bye.
44:00Bye.
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