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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives - Season 4 - Episode 03: The Book of True Colors
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00:02No, I don't want to lose. You don't play a fair fight. No, I can't decide. If it's worth my
00:09time, betray me once. I'll let you live if you want.
00:15Did he sleep with someone?
00:19If you want to know, I will tell you.
00:21I do.
00:23Right now?
00:24Yeah, he's up to someone.
00:24I just would prefer you to call someone else.
00:26I'm sorry, he did.
00:32I'm sorry.
00:33I know.
00:34It's not surprising.
00:35Like, he probably has fucked everyone.
00:37Dakota and I haven't done for a few months, but he's still, like, all about family and wants a family,
00:43love, loves me, his child, all these things.
00:47I wanted to be with him, and so for me, it's very confusing. That's where I think my frustration comes
00:51from.
00:51This is just, like, my sign. He is who he is. He's never going to change. It's time to move
00:56on with my life.
00:58Sorry.
00:58I'm so sorry.
00:59It's okay.
01:01It hurts. It hurts.
01:03I'm sorry, Taylor.
01:05And he's like, you never loved me.
01:07No, yes, I did. I stayed for three years.
01:12I do feel a little bad about telling Taylor right now because the reunion's coming up, and she could be
01:17extra emotional now, but to be honest, there's never a good time to hear something like this.
01:22Taylor and Dakota's dynamic is so toxic.
01:24At this point, I'm not sure if I made the right decision. I don't know. I feel like my intentions
01:29were good because she wanted to know. She was asking me, but now I'm wondering if I just opened up
01:33a bigger can of worms.
01:36I'm so pissed. I'm so pissed. I'm not at him. It's just him as a person. I know. Fuck. And
01:43now he's having sex on TV. It's like, have you not done enough to me? And I had to move
01:49on. I have to move on. Like, I don't have a choice. That's what sucks.
01:52Yeah. And I think you're feeling resentful towards him for making you have to do that.
01:57I know we're, like, done. It's just, like, resurfacing feelings of, like, it's just reliving them. The same betrayal I've
02:05lived for so long. It's like, anyone that's ever been in this position knows it's, like, you're not at you
02:10because you're allowing it. Taylor's allowing it. I'm doing this to myself. Like, it's my responsibility to, like, go and
02:17stop. And I just, like, I'm having a really hard time doing that. So it's just, like, I'm mad at
02:21me.
02:25Taylor, stop. No, I just want to know. Taylor. I just want to know why. Why? Why what? If you
02:32enjoyed it. Taylor, you don't need to know that. You don't need to know that. Hello? Hello? I just want
02:40to know if you, like, enjoyed it. Taylor. Look, I'm freaking so sad because you made me do this and
02:48I didn't want it. And then you go and have sex on TV.
02:51No, I want to know. But you did. Hot sex on TV. Don't say no. You did. I didn't enjoy
02:57it, Taylor. Of course I did. Oh, you didn't? You didn't finish? No. Did you finish? No. Did you finish?
03:04Yeah. Okay, so you did enjoy it.
03:07What do you mean? You enjoyed it, then. I can still have sex and it not be enjoyable. Do you
03:14feel better?
03:15Taylor, as you viewed, didn't hurt me enough. As if I didn't have to leave you already.
03:19If I didn't hurt you enough. Who was the one that was always pushing me away? You. Was I ever
03:24pushing you away? The entire relationship? No, Taylor, never. I never didn't want you. You made it impossible for me.
03:30You made it impossible for me.
03:32I hate how toxic this situation is for Taylor. It is ruining her day by day. And I am so
03:38hoping that The Bachelorette is a really good detox for her to truly move on.
03:42Sorry I moved on. Like, what do you want from me? You moved on. You have another man that you
03:47apparently love so much.
03:49I never said love.
03:50Yeah, because you don't like him.
03:52Do you like the girl you fucked?
03:54Fuck no.
03:55Do you even know her?
03:56I mean, no. Not really.
03:58So you just fucked some random ho on TV?
04:03Congrats. You win.
04:08Come ye snakes and come ye sinners. Hallelujah.
04:16Listen up. I'm the one you've been dreaming of. I got everything you could ever want.
04:26Tryin' to see you out. Bring you to your knees. Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:38Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:43Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:46Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:46Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:49Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:50Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:52Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:53Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:54Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:56Baby, you're gonna believe.
04:59Baby, you're gonna believe.
05:17that's it babe spill the tea what happened at the villa it was crazy what do you want to know
05:24who do you what do you want to hear about first start from the beginning you actually don't know
05:28like pretty much anything no tell me everything okay zach has been back from the dad talk trip for
05:34a couple days and to be honest i've been so busy with dancing with the stars work and taking care
05:39of the kids i haven't even had time to talk to him about what happened all i know so far
05:44is that
05:45zach talked to marciano more about what happened with demi i actually talked to marciano for like
05:51an hour and surprisingly i trust him personally more than i trust to me based on my personal
05:57experience with her and how manipulative i think she is as a human being i'm dying to hear more
06:03about what actually happened one of my biggest takeaways from the villa is that there is two
06:07sides to like all these stories that are being told like the first dinner we all wore black because
06:11we're like it's marciano's funeral like we were all planning on just going ham and then we we talked
06:15to him and like babe he really was not a good guy but like you could just tell like he
06:21does have some
06:21genuine remorse he was just like no like i messed up i felt bad about this but like i don't
06:25know how to
06:26handle the situation this is what happened he kissed to me before he left and then he also said
06:31when they went up into the bathroom they did more more than talking like i talked to hannah and hannah's
06:39like yeah when marciano and demi went outside like they talked for six hours i know i've always had a
06:44feeling that demi was lying about the whole marciano situation even the kumbaya didn't seem
06:50genuine to me i never wanted to talk about this that was the reason of me being like please jen
06:56don't bring this up i obviously want to walk out here and be like oh i understand me like i
07:01can see
07:02her i want to move forward but to be honest i'm even more confused now i think a lot of
07:07the girls are
07:07trying to move past everything that happened but to be honest i'm having a hard time looking past it
07:12because i don't think that she should just get away with treating everyone like crap and then
07:19just pretend like nothing happened i kind of want to set the record straight we'll see what happens at
07:25the reunion thoughts and prayers we're gonna need it like i've been on jordan's biased side i've been
07:30like oh marciano it wasn't until i talked to marciano even after jordan found out about the affair
07:34jesse continued to talk to him i think we put so much blame on marciano marciano this marciano that
07:42this horrible evil guy i'm like it is just as much to me and jesse if not more because they
07:47were the married ones marciano's single so they they're way more in fault than than him in my
07:53opinion i don't know exactly what happened between marciano and demi and i don't think anyone's ever
07:58gonna know i think that the story brett and demi are telling isn't true the reunion is coming up if
08:03anyone does call out me or my wife i'm gonna be defensive i guess we'll see how it goes sooner
08:10or
08:10later everything will come out unfortunately so yeah but anyways dakota
08:16somehow ended up poking up with this chick and and he had sex and he had sex with her oh
08:21my gosh
08:22next morning he seemed really happy because he was slapping cheeks and now hearing a little bit
08:26more of what actually happened at the villa especially with dakota and some of the girls
08:32there i definitely think taylor is gonna lose her shiz
08:37honestly going there and seeing the single wife it made me realize i would like like i honestly just
08:44felt bad for dakota and chase and like i would never want to do this instead we'd rather do this
08:49i would rather do this yeah he's got the best of the best
09:04oh
09:05LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA,
09:12mama ma ma ma ma ma ma ma.
09:16Okay.
09:19Oh.
09:28This is awesome.
09:34That's awesome.
09:34Babe, have you been to something like this?
09:36I have.
09:37You need Wired Live and Recording Studio today.
09:46Liana, you guys want to rock and roll?
09:47We're ready.
09:48So ready.
09:48Maybe I have a new career in the works.
09:51Have you on this mic here.
09:53All right, can you guys hear me?
09:54Yes, sir.
09:55All right.
09:55We got the harmony?
09:56I think so.
09:57Okay.
09:58We're about to find out.
09:59Bring it in.
10:00About to find out.
10:01Good luck.
10:10I see your true colors shining through.
10:17A little flat.
10:18Is it too high?
10:20No.
10:21I got it.
10:22Okay.
10:22Because from what I'm hearing, it's night and day from what I heard in the car to now.
10:26So I almost think you need to take it off so you can hear.
10:28Really?
10:29Yeah.
10:30Call me up because I will always be there.
10:37I think just a little too intense, pull back a tiny bit.
10:40Okay.
10:41Call me up.
10:42A little too breathy.
10:43I think that's what's making it flat.
10:45I think that's what's making it flat.
10:45Like a roar.
10:46My side.
10:47A little.
10:47Again.
10:48From the start or just keep going.
10:50Just keep it going.
10:51True colors are beautiful.
10:57Okay.
10:58You need to like bring it down here a little bit more.
11:00And I see your true colors shining through.
11:07I see your true colors and that's why I love you.
11:15True colors are beautiful.
11:20Oh, like a rainbow.
11:29Ooh.
11:35Ooh.
11:38I loved it.
11:40I think we got some good takes here.
11:41I mean, that's a wrap.
11:43Thank you so much.
11:44You guys are great.
11:45It was fun.
11:45Yeah, that was so fun.
11:47So fun.
11:49So good to meet you.
11:49All right, you guys have a good one.
11:50You too.
11:51Bye.
11:54You need to be doing that more.
11:55I want to do that more.
11:57That was so, like, liberating and just felt like, oh, this is what I need to be doing.
12:03How are you feeling about the reunion?
12:04I'm excited to defend you from all this absolute bullshit.
12:09I am so sick of the lies.
12:14I'm sick of the posturing.
12:15They've locked in on the opinion of something happened or what Marciano said is true.
12:22So Zach FaceTimed Jen while he was in the villa.
12:27Yeah.
12:27And they had conversations with Marci Foo Foo, poo poo, butt face.
12:32He said that more happened between him and Demi.
12:36He said that there was more than kissing now, so it just keeps going up.
12:40Zach believed it before he even went, so that's not shocking.
12:43You want to choose to believe somebody who is a well-documented liar versus somebody who
12:48has always told the truth.
12:51I want nothing to do with this.
12:53So Jen, why are you still lying about me?
12:55Why are you going on podcasts saying that I sat on Marciano's lap and that I kissed him
13:00in the villa?
13:01This is so crazy.
13:04So Jen and Zach were on the Vile Files podcast, and they were asked about what went down between
13:09Demi and Marciano.
13:11I was asking her about how this trip was going, and you called me and was like, yeah, Demi
13:14has just been crying in our room for the last hour.
13:16She feels so bad.
13:17She feels like she's cheated on her husband.
13:19Yes.
13:19Well, why?
13:20Well, because she was sitting on his lap.
13:21She was kissing him.
13:23All these things that were never shown in the edit.
13:25I mean, you have a group of people that are constantly trying to poke holes in your story
13:30and lie about you.
13:32I used to feel bad for Zach, and now that I have seen him repeatedly enable Jen, I feel
13:38like he knows better.
13:39A lot of people in the group will try to make excuses for her, like, oh, she's just like
13:43saying these things and she thinks they're true.
13:46Well, that's called defamation.
13:47That can really heavily ruin someone's reputation.
13:50It's not okay.
14:06Oh, yeah, that's like due this week.
14:09I keep forgetting to do it.
14:09It's been sitting there for, like, literally six months, I think.
14:12We have been so busy lately between having a newborn and two other kids, running baby
14:17mama, coordinating things for the book tour, having the memoir come out.
14:20This has just been a huge goal of mine for the last 10 years, and I just can't believe
14:24it's actually happening.
14:25Maybe I'll do that, like that.
14:27That's very, like, bank signature-esque.
14:29What?
14:30Now I did three E's on accident.
14:32See, I'm not used to writing your last name.
14:33Can't do that.
14:35I'm getting some comments from the boys on my post about you.
14:37The boys?
14:38That's making me question things a little bit.
14:40Yeah, no, it's just making jokes.
14:41They're talking about London, Jacob.
14:43What does that mean?
14:46London, Jacob.
14:46Better watch yourself.
14:50Just remember who rules.
14:51I'm on the dad talk train.
14:53Just remember who rules this house.
14:54Are you serious?
14:56All right, well, two can play at that game.
14:58Can they?
14:58Yep.
15:01Yeah, there we go.
15:02How's that?
15:03Oh, gosh.
15:04It's giving me the A because it reminds me of Jordan.
15:06I feel like I'm like...
15:07Why are you...
15:08Are you serious?
15:09I'm like, do you have a different font?
15:10Because he wears that one too much.
15:12Jordan is Jordan.
15:12But this dad talk hat does look pretty good on me, though.
15:16Jacob has been a little more spicy since he got home from London.
15:20And I will say I am a little annoyed that Jacob waited to tell me things.
15:24Jordan told Jesse everything right away.
15:26And I was like, there is no bro code when you are married.
15:28So I'm happy that he is making new friendships.
15:30But I don't know if dad talk has the right friendships.
15:33I was surprised that I got along with Chase so much when we were out there.
15:37But he's a funny dude.
15:39He's witty.
15:39You know, he's like...
15:40Like a typical fuck boy.
15:42Yeah.
15:43Yeah.
15:43You literally hated him like two weeks ago.
15:46No, I know.
15:48We just got back from London.
15:49And I'm honestly surprised that I had such a good time with all the guys.
15:52It's kind of making me realize that I think I need some more bro time.
15:55I don't know if Macy is going to like this, though.
15:57She thinks Chase is just a piece of shit.
15:59And now that we're all hanging out, I really want to make sure that they can kind of get past
16:01this.
16:02And I hope they can.
16:03How do you feel about me being around Chase right now?
16:05Like, you have a good reputation.
16:06And I feel like it's going to be tainted by hanging out with toxic men.
16:14Yeah, hey, hey, Brooks, that's a lot, dude.
16:16Yeah, let's take a chill pill.
16:17I want to see him try and walk now.
16:19That's like me and my experience in mom talk.
16:21Come here, bro.
16:22Oh, he's back.
16:26Maybe don't put your face on the bark.
16:28I was spitting too fast.
16:30It's no secret that Chase has caused a lot of drama with the women and mom talk in the past.
16:38I try to stay out of most of Chase's drama because I value our co-parenting relationship.
16:43But right now with Chase being in dad talk, if he starts acting up at the villa, but I was
16:52bringing up the fact that Macy obviously has her qualms with me.
16:55Walk into your birthday party and she throws a fit to you.
16:58Not expecting our favorite person to walk in the door today.
17:02I feel like if I'm good with him, no, no, I'm fucking pissed.
17:06I've wanted to potentially have a conversation with Macy at some point because I love dad talk and I'm on
17:12good terms with pretty much all those dudes.
17:14I want to just bury the hatchet with these girls if they will allow for it.
17:18But I mean, who knows?
17:19I asked Jacob and he said, well, I heard that she told me that after, you know, all the things
17:24that stuff came out with Taylor on the TikTok live that you had been hitting her up in her DMs.
17:29Oh.
17:29And I was like, hold on.
17:30And I pulled up our DMs and I said, dude, this is Macy responding to my stories three years ago.
17:36And saying, we should all hang out.
17:37You should go play ball with Jacob.
17:39He needs more friends.
17:40So rewind three years ago.
17:42I remember hearing from Miranda, Macy told someone to like, I was always in Macy's DMs.
17:48And Miranda asked me like, were you in her DMs?
17:51And I was like, no, Macy was in my DMs.
17:54I think I responded to one of Chase's stories of his daughter.
17:57It was just his daughter.
17:59He was not in it.
17:59Let's be clear.
18:00And I think it was like an emoji, like a heart eye emoji of his daughter or something.
18:04Whatever.
18:04It wasn't about you.
18:06He was a freak.
18:06I remember one weekend, Taylor's ex-husband, Tate, had booked a cabin for like 30 people.
18:13So I knew that Macy and Jacob were interested in potentially hanging out.
18:15So I invited them.
18:16I told them there was going to be alcohol.
18:18Didn't know if they were comfortable with that.
18:20So they didn't have to come.
18:21I said, okay, what?
18:23So fun.
18:23I'll see if we can.
18:24I'm dead.
18:26I said, okay, what?
18:28So fun.
18:29I'll see if we can swing it.
18:32Did I give the wrong impression right away?
18:34Is that why this is coming up for years later?
18:37They like twisted things because they heard a certain narrative about us.
18:40And I think she took it as we were like putting feelers out.
18:44To swing.
18:45To swing.
18:46Yeah.
18:46And then once we like knew that they weren't down, they uninvited them.
18:51So from what I know, the whole cabin saga was Taylor said that it made her kind of uncomfy
18:59that Macy and Jacob didn't drink.
19:02And I think Macy took it as like, oh, I'm being uninvited because they are getting the
19:06vibe that we're not swingers.
19:07That was not the case.
19:09Macy also like can sniff out toxic men.
19:11So regardless.
19:12Macy thinks every man's toxic and it's fucking so bad.
19:14I'm not wrong.
19:15That's the one thing I have to agree with.
19:17I do think we should go to lunch something with Chase and have a conversation and just
19:22see if we can improve just like what we know.
19:24I don't want to have a conversation with him.
19:26I'm good.
19:27I am shocked to see Jacob come back from the villa being like friends with Chase.
19:31It is no secret that I don't like Chase.
19:33I think that he's very demeaning to women.
19:35I think that he was very demeaning and disrespectful to my friends and to me online.
19:40And for that, I just don't care for him.
19:42Why do we need him around?
19:43He's not married to Miranda anymore.
19:44So why are you here?
19:45I'm freshly postpartum.
19:46I don't have time for this shit.
19:48I feel you should be supportive.
19:49And it doesn't mean like you have to like deny that or like not think it's reality.
19:54Well, I'll think very, very hard about it.
19:57Okay.
20:17I'm having a breast augmentation done again.
20:19I had it a few years back, but I will say just having a baby.
20:23Some things I was like, I'm sure I've really up here.
20:26So I'm like, let's just go get a little, let's say, touch up, if you will.
20:31All right.
20:32Let's do it, people.
20:34I'm doing it one to feel good about myself, but two for the bachelorette, I think I'm about
20:39to be in a lot of dresses, which I normally, if you know me, I'm not in dresses.
20:43So I just kind of want to feel good in them.
20:45Pocket looks good.
20:47Very thin capsule.
20:49Like, it's very subtle, so we're going to, that's why we're converting her.
20:52So we got to find her pec muscle here.
20:55It's just pretty much, I don't even pull it, I just lay it.
21:00Good job, team.
21:12Hi, Shay.
21:14Hi, mom.
21:14Oh my gosh, are you okay?
21:16Yeah.
21:16I'm, are you, oh, what's wrong?
21:21She just needs, it's okay.
21:23She's okay, mom, I'm not okay.
21:24Hello.
21:25What's wrong?
21:26Are you okay?
21:27Yeah, I'm just like sad.
21:29Why?
21:30All the anesthesia meds just kind of, no, this is just my free life.
21:35Do you need me to do anything?
21:37No, it's just like my life-like situation, it freaking sucks.
21:39Like, with family, you know?
21:43No, Taylor, but it's getting so much better.
21:45And I think I ignore it a lot.
21:48Yeah.
21:49How painful it is.
21:52I think you've come a long way.
21:54And I think that it's getting better.
21:57My heart hurts, like my heart.
22:00It's broken?
22:01It's broken.
22:03He never loved me, ever.
22:06I don't care what anyone says.
22:08I'm in more of an acceptance phase, but maybe that's just like, obviously, a little deeper
22:12room.
22:13Well, of course, it's hard.
22:15You thought you were going to probably end up with Dakota.
22:18That's the sad thing.
22:20You're going to be okay, Taylor.
22:24I know.
22:42Ah.
22:44Ah.
22:45Nothing but vitamin D.
22:47Yes.
22:47To cure that postpartum depression.
22:50Oh, my gosh.
22:51I love it here.
22:52We're still a few weeks away from Dancing with the Stars premiere.
22:56We're doing like five hours of dancing a day, and it's already super intense.
23:02There's nothing like California.
23:03It's nice.
23:03Yeah, it is nice.
23:05Something's in this air.
23:06I'm like, whew.
23:07There really is something in this air.
23:08I've definitely been trying to rebuild my friendship with Whitney and look past everything that's
23:15happened and make this a good experience for both of us.
23:19So do you think you'll stay here for a while, regardless of Dancing with the Stars?
23:25Like if I get voted off?
23:26Yeah.
23:26Yeah.
23:27I mean, I don't have plans on getting voted off, but if I do, we're just going to stay
23:32here.
23:33Are you nervous about the reunion?
23:34Do you think Demi is going to be cordial because I think she's draining everyone?
23:39I think she will.
23:39I think she wants to make things right.
23:42Does she?
23:43I think it's very interesting that she's reached out to everyone but me.
23:47She's going to lunch with Jessie.
23:48She's reached out to Macy and Michaela, and I'm the only one she hasn't reached out to.
23:53Do you want her to?
23:56I just would appreciate a genuine apology, and I don't feel like I've gotten that from
23:59her.
24:02I hate that there's this animosity between the two of you, and-
24:06I know she hates my guts.
24:08I don't think she hates your guts.
24:09I think she's always hated me.
24:10I know.
24:10Literally from day one, Jen's too Mormon for me.
24:14Like if she's there, I don't want to be there.
24:16To me, did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon?
24:19I've never said she's too Mormon.
24:22I have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot.
24:26Did I say that Jen is too Mormon?
24:28I did, and I stand by that from day one.
24:32Listen, Jen, I get that.
24:33Yeah.
24:34But there has to be a point where we move on.
24:36I think that you guys are, both can be right, and I think that's the problem, is both of
24:42your feelings are valid, but the problem is, is like, it's accepting it.
24:46Yeah.
24:46It's like, you guys both can't accept that.
24:49Jen, you accepted that apology, the kumbaya.
24:51You said that you were going to work on moving on, and bringing it up again is just going
24:57to put MomTalk a whole step back.
24:59So I'm starting to feel a little bit worried about what's going to happen at the reunion.
25:03I trust vibes over words.
25:06Yeah.
25:06And there's never been a feeling of true sincerity on her end.
25:11I've never felt that.
25:12I also think that so much has happened in MomTalk the past few years.
25:18I just want it to be a safe place for everyone, and to be honest, I don't feel like it's
25:22a
25:22safe place for me when Demi is there.
25:42Thank you so much.
25:46We're going to get wasted.
25:47Ooh, day drinking.
25:50Hello.
25:51What's up, guys?
25:54How are you?
25:56Did you miss me?
25:57Yes.
25:58How's everything been going?
26:00It's been great.
26:01The reunion's coming up, and I genuinely don't know what's going to happen, and I feel like
26:06I need to talk to the girls about Demi.
26:07She's not being the same person off camera that she is on, so if they feel that energy
26:12from her, hopefully they'll speak up.
26:14Are you guys nervous for the reunion?
26:16No.
26:17Really?
26:18I just feel like reunions always inevitably bring things up.
26:20They definitely have to search it up.
26:21I'm about you are, because Demi and stuff.
26:23Yeah, I'm a little nervous.
26:24I'm more so nervous now because we did a session with Gabby, and it was the weirdest thing,
26:29you guys.
26:30Off camera, we'd had discussions about, like, she kind of admitted that she leaned into
26:33the Marciano stuff too much.
26:35It looked really bad, and she shouldn't have done it.
26:37Oh, wait, what?
26:37She admitted?
26:38Kind of like she did in Italy when she was like, I played into it too much, because on
26:42camera she doubles down, but behind the scenes she did admit that.
26:45Right.
26:45So we finally get to a place where we do start talking about the Marciano of it all, and
26:49she, like, completely plays victim again, and is like, he did this and this, and I'm like,
26:56okay.
26:56Like, it's just so different from, like, the conversations I've had with her off camera.
27:00So Gabby has read Demi alone before.
27:02Right.
27:03And she has picked up on patterns Demi has in her past.
27:05So she looks at Demi, and she's like, Demi, there's patterns you have, and I'm trying to
27:09help you out of those patterns.
27:10And Demi was like, what patterns?
27:12So she was like, you know, the stuff we've talked about.
27:14And Demi's like, like, what?
27:15You can say it.
27:15And so Gabby finally goes, you're emotional cheating.
27:19This Marciano thing, the pattern that I'm feeling may be emotional cheating.
27:24And Demi goes, oh, yeah, you're right.
27:28And she goes, I have had a past of emotional cheating.
27:30There's been multiple situations in the past where it was that, like, I felt like I was
27:34developing feelings.
27:36But not with Marciano.
27:38Everyone else but him.
27:40In this situation, it was not that.
27:41I wasn't even physically attracted to him.
27:43And I'm like, we were so close.
27:46We were so close.
27:48Demi's very good at manipulating.
27:52She's very good at talking.
27:54But I was the pathological liar.
27:56Exactly.
27:57But that's what they do, right?
28:00But after the guys going on the trip to London and now hearing this from Jesse just shows
28:07that I've been right this whole time.
28:08I think it's because, like, he's so gross that she, like, doesn't, her ego can't handle it.
28:12But you did that.
28:14It was just so disingenuine from, like, the Demi I had seen trying to mend all these fences
28:19and, like, get back.
28:20But it's not genuine.
28:21That's the thing.
28:22She mends it for her own agenda.
28:25It was just to save her image.
28:26Yeah.
28:26She doesn't care about the relationships here.
28:29I feel like Jesse was trying to give Demi grace in this situation and kind of give her
28:33a second chance.
28:34And yet again, Demi's proving that she can't be trusted.
28:37And you can't believe a single thing that comes out of her mouth.
28:39The crazy part is, to me, is that I'm like, if you would just be authentic to what actually
28:44happened, like, the mistakes you've actually made, it would be so much better for you.
28:49Trust me, it feels so much better.
28:50Yes, you would know.
28:51Well, not to be, like, the mom talk police, but I do feel like people resonate with us,
28:55though, because we all make mistakes.
28:57Nobody's perfect.
28:57And I feel like we're all kind of open about it.
28:59And I don't feel like Demi is doing that anymore.
29:03I feel like she was.
29:04We all were.
29:05In the beginning, we kind of all lost the plot, I think, for a second.
29:08We didn't lose the plot.
29:09We lost the foundation.
29:11What do we do?
29:11Because if she's in the group now, like, she's back.
29:13I think we try to see how she operates at the reunion and how she handles it.
29:17And if she chooses to come in and be authentic, and I think we'll see.
29:21I'm nervous.
29:47I feel like I'm doing this.
29:52Marciano 2.0.
29:53Today, me, Jacob, and Mikayla are going to meet up with Chase.
29:57I am very reluctant to do so.
29:59However, Jacob is trying to get me to be open-minded to it, because I think maybe it'll help things
30:05feel less contentious for him making friends with the guys and whatnot.
30:08And maybe he'll feel more at peace with everything.
30:11What's going on, man?
30:12Oh, what's up?
30:14Good to see you.
30:15You too.
30:15And I asked Mikayla to come, because whatever issues I'm going to have with Chase, she will
30:20too.
30:20So I think, like, having her there, not only is it backup, like, you might as well two
30:25birds, one stone, be done with it.
30:27Mikayla decided to come join us.
30:29Yeah.
30:30If you're trying to clear anything up with the men, I think it's obviously a job for,
30:35what are we called?
30:35Are we Eminem Incorporated?
30:37It's time to go full FBI on this bitch.
30:40Full FBI.
30:41I think it's what we do best.
30:44Thanks for setting this up, dude.
30:46Yeah.
30:47I appreciate you guys coming.
30:48It's obviously a little awkward, because I think...
30:51Because you've talked shit on us online for years?
30:54Yeah.
30:54Without knowing us?
30:55I don't think it's one-sided, but...
30:58I haven't.
31:00I've talked shit offline, but not online.
31:03That's different.
31:04Tomato, tomato.
31:06Any animosity that we have that I've contributed to by way of the podcast, I do think that was
31:11in poor taste.
31:13He was doing it for clicks.
31:15Totally was for clicks.
31:16Like, the whole point of it was to just be a dick and honestly piss off the people that,
31:20like, we were talking about.
31:21Is that funny, Jacob?
31:24I look back on it now, and I'm like, look, I actually think it was stupid.
31:28I said some main things.
31:29Do you guys know Macy?
31:30I think people kind of pity her.
31:32Free mom talk, her thing that got her her followers was she had a baby daddy who died
31:38in a car accident.
31:40I'm not.
31:40I ain't gonna touch this one.
31:41And maybe...
31:42Not we.
31:43You cannot air this.
31:46Bad luck.
31:47Shouldn't have said it.
31:48Super stupid.
31:49Wish I wouldn't have, so I'm sorry.
31:52I think it's been a long four years of Macy not liking Chase, and rightfully so.
31:57But I think there is a good guy in there.
31:59Chase has remorse.
31:59He's taking accountability.
32:00And I think we really did label him and threw him in this bucket of this evil dude who's
32:04just swinging and wanting to get other people to swing with him.
32:06Yeah, I think I'm protective over my friends.
32:10I'm like, well, you're talking shit on Layla, saying she's bad in bed.
32:13That obviously really hurt her.
32:14I think she was crying.
32:15And then stuff with Taylor from the past has made me mad.
32:18Totally.
32:19That's why I've had a harder time with you.
32:21Yeah.
32:21I just wanted to bring up, because I did hear something.
32:23Is it true that you, at one point, heard that I was DMing you in a way that maybe seemed
32:30like I was flirting?
32:31Was that an initiation to swing?
32:33It wasn't.
32:34No, I know.
32:35That's what it looks like, because I remember that specific cabin.
32:39It wasn't just like a freaking hedonistic orgy every time we went to these.
32:42That was like twice.
32:44You guys were just drinking parties.
32:46Jacob, whose side are you on?
32:48Um, we still got the sides.
32:50Me and Macy are trying to be the best people we can.
32:53It's taught in the Book of Mormon.
32:54It's taught in the Bible to show forgiveness.
32:56And I think this is one of those times where Macy needs to do that so that mom talk and
32:59dad talk can both coexist together in peace and harmony.
33:03I'm in between, but I did take a few steps back, because when it comes to our perspective
33:06of this whole thing, you reaching out to Macy and then your wife saying, oh, wait,
33:11Macy's not invited.
33:12And then, like, the swinging stuff coming out.
33:15So we see all those things together, and we're like, ah, like, totally bad optics.
33:20Well, I feel like you can't help yourself sometimes.
33:23And I'm like, well, and you were very demeaning to all the girls online for, like, years.
33:28So you have the perception is that you don't treat women well.
33:31They're well documented that I am an idiot.
33:33There's no hiding that.
33:34I will say Chase did take accountability for his actions.
33:37I just hope that Chase continues to be on a better track if Jacob's going to be friends
33:43with him.
33:44Am I making any headway or not?
33:46It's hard to say.
33:47I mean, I guess it's the behavior in the future.
33:51It's like I can't say.
33:52I hope this is the last time I ever have to say sorry.
33:54I'm very big on timing, and I feel like Chase is coming into the group ready to apologize
33:59now that cameras are up.
34:00I think if you're actually sorry, you're going to do it off camera.
34:03And he had years to do it.
34:05His apology clearly isn't genuine.
34:07He wants the clout.
34:08I think that's just a grudge that I'm going to hold.
34:10I'm not going to say mean things about women.
34:12Okay, good.
34:13Very pro-women.
34:15That must be hard for you.
34:16Damn.
34:18Damn.
34:19I thought we were good.
34:21I thought we were great.
34:22I thought we were on the same page in the same game.
34:26Why are you switching up?
34:27Why are you changing phase?
34:29Why are you making me feel anxious?
34:31Something about you change.
34:34Today is the reunion.
34:36One, three, three.
34:39Reunions can be very hard because you're seeing scenes that you haven't seen before.
34:44Maybe you're hearing things that you've never heard before for the first time.
34:47They can really make every positive thing just immediately go up in flames.
34:53We've seen it before.
34:54We are supposed to talk about our true feelings, so I think it is inevitable that something's
34:58going to blow up.
34:59Play nice.
35:00Please, we had a kumbaya.
35:08Dear Heavenly Father, we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have to come together
35:13today.
35:14We pray that we can have the strength to stand by our own principles and our own values,
35:19as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
35:22And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
35:24Amen.
35:24Amen.
35:25At the end of last season, MomTalk had a kumbaya.
35:30We wanted to put all the drama behind us.
35:33I don't think everything was resolved there necessarily.
35:36I think there's a lot of underlying issues that maybe some of them have.
35:40So, I will say the reunion definitely is resurfacing.
35:46That, to me, I've seen enough.
35:48Did you see anything happen?
35:50No, I didn't.
35:51Why are you fucking saying a word?
35:53She's made my life a living hell.
35:56You bullied me.
35:58How do you feel about your wife texting the word, come to another man?
36:02How do you feel about that?
36:03It's just like, oh, here we go again.
36:04What the fuck is wrong with you?
36:06What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
36:11There you go, Demi.
36:12Your true colors have come back out.
36:14Her screaming at Jen on stage, calling her names.
36:17It was like she had a mask on and it started to slip a little bit.
36:20And her anger started showing.
36:22And this is the Demi I know.
36:23So, there's so many unanswered questions that I'm like,
36:25can we just get to the bottom of it?
36:26It's like muddied because of this stupid fucking asshole that's lied.
36:31And sorry, but Jen, who's lied.
36:33And put all these things in your head that never happened.
36:36I've been called everything in the book by Demi,
36:39including being a pathological liar.
36:42And I'm tired of her deflecting.
36:44In reality, that has been her the whole time.
36:46No one's fucking believing Marciano.
36:49No.
36:49That's the problem.
36:50That's why it's so, like, hard.
36:51Because it's like, okay, yeah, he's saying this happened or this didn't happen.
36:55But it doesn't really hold a whole lot of weight.
36:57I've heard things, Demi, and I'm not going to believe anything until I actually see.
37:00That's fine, Jessie, but you don't need to be pompous about it.
37:02I'm sorry, you were just yelling at my friend and saying the most, like, aggressive, cruel things.
37:07Do you know what she's done to me?
37:08She sat there literally in the same sentence and said something.
37:12You hate me because I'm sharing the truth.
37:13You hate me because I was the only one that called you out when everyone was bowing down to you.
37:17That's why you can't look at yourself in the mirror.
37:20I already have.
37:21What do you think I've done?
37:22You're not doing it.
37:23Clearly you're not.
37:24You're deflecting stuff.
37:24I'm talking about Marciano.
37:26You're still doing it this whole time.
37:28I definitely feel empowered to call Demi out.
37:32Someone needs to make her accountable because she's done that to everyone else in the group.
37:35And so I'm going to be that person.
37:38Did you not watch yourself in season three?
37:39You have to back up your claims.
37:41You look guilty AF.
37:42Oh, good.
37:42I look guilty.
37:43The fact of the matter is you don't have proof of the things you're saying, which makes it a lie
37:47because I lived it and I know the truth.
37:50Okay.
37:50I don't have proof.
37:51So why are you saying it?
37:52Okay.
37:53The world's already seen it.
37:54I don't really have to say anything.
37:56You've seen what?
37:57Just who you are.
37:58A kiss that didn't happen?
37:58Just who you are.
37:59A cuddling up against someone and googly eyes that didn't happen?
38:03Your stories don't add up because you keep changing them.
38:06No.
38:06I didn't.
38:08You said you were not a victim and now you're a victim.
38:10I do not, I do not want to do anything about this.
38:14Guys, I am not a victim.
38:15I'm not a victim.
38:16Yes.
38:17And then now you're saying I'm a victim.
38:18So your story has changed.
38:20Yes.
38:20Now the response to me of like, cover this up, shut everyone up.
38:24I don't want to talk about this.
38:26The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is the knee jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was
38:33a victim was to not believe her.
38:34You would feel comfortable sending to another woman that you're swallowing cum.
38:39I'm not wired like you, bud.
38:41You should rewire yourself.
38:43Oh, yeah.
38:43That's disturbing.
38:44Okay.
38:45All right, little guy.
38:46Holy shit.
38:48Brett is an old grandpa that needs to get sent to the old folks home.
38:51We were in London last week with Marciano.
38:53He stared us straight in the eyes and told us the truth of everything.
38:57Of Jesse, of him and Jesse, of him and Demi.
38:59He still claims this day on camera that he kissed Demi.
39:05Marciano said that Demi was sitting in a hot tub with him alone or they were out talking.
39:10We went and talked to Marciano for an hour.
39:11Three hours of the day.
39:12I've seen every ounce of the footage.
39:15So I think when the women are doubting her, I think they've got very good reasons.
39:22From our perspective, can you see why we think the things we do?
39:25Because it's hard to understand the story.
39:27So if you have a different story, I'm open to hearing it.
39:29I know the truth.
39:31Can you tell us?
39:32And that matters.
39:33Can we agree that she was like flirting and having long conversations and like building
39:36a relationship with the guy that she just met?
39:39She wasn't building a relationship with him.
39:40She talked about your guys' marriage, didn't she?
39:43Yeah.
39:43I mean, she was talking to him.
39:46I'll let her explain all the nuances around it.
39:48I understand.
39:49It's the Lulu land, dude.
39:50You guys live in a different universe.
39:53I had no idea that pathological lying was contagious, but I guess it is.
39:58I don't even know why you're here.
40:00Just walk away.
40:01Hey, everyone's being nice to you.
40:03People just talk shit behind your back because you're a shitty person.
40:06Hey, the feeling's mutual, dipshit.
40:08Just so you know.
40:08Good.
40:09And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
40:11Oh, nice, bro.
40:12You're a fake guy.
40:13I think that's a little steep.
40:15And I don't think anything good is going to come from talking like that.
40:20If you heard about this and you heard that Marciano was going to come on to podcast and then his
40:24show and air out Jesse and what happened there, I'm just confused.
40:29Why wouldn't you go to Jesse?
40:30My immediate reaction was, I don't fucking care what's happened between me and Jesse.
40:35Jesse, I am putting up a white flag and I'm finding a way to contact her because you had me
40:39blocked on everything.
40:40But you didn't.
40:40No, I didn't.
40:41You could have gotten through me.
40:42And Marciano said, don't you fucking dare.
40:44So then I got scared again and I was like, shit.
40:46What?
40:47This is a trauma response and it's so stupid, but it really was as simple as me not wanting to
40:52be viewed as a victim.
40:53Like, period.
40:54I mean, I don't want to take away from the ass grab because obviously in no way is that okay.
40:59Which, by the way, it was not just like an ass grab.
41:01I was in short shorts.
41:02He grabbed.
41:03This is going to go circles, though, for round and round and round and round and round.
41:06And we're never going to come to a conclusion.
41:07I think at this point, too, everybody needs to be okay with the fact that we're never going to come
41:12to a conclusion.
41:12Because I can sit here and say, if that truly happened to you, I'm really sorry for that.
41:18All of us in MomTalkers, like, we want, obviously, to believe you.
41:20We want to, like, see eye to eye.
41:22But, like, nothing adds up and it just doesn't make sense.
41:25And so I do feel for Demi because it's like, yeah, you're in a situation where all these voices are
41:29coming at you.
41:30But she has to expect it if she's going to keep defending it over and over and over.
41:34I think she wants to prove herself so bad.
41:36But in turn, I feel like it only makes her look more guilty.
41:39I didn't do what he did to me.
41:41And I didn't ask for that and I didn't deserve that.
41:43However, moving forward, like, shit, Demi, like, you probably should have been more careful and been more cautious.
41:50And that sucks, especially when you've been in that situation and it, like, brings up old stuff.
41:55Like, then you start really blaming yourself for, like, what they do.
41:59At this point, like, it's more painful to not be believed than to say it enough to go over it,
42:05over and over and over and over and feel the pain of past things than to just say, fuck, yeah,
42:11we kissed.
42:12Fuck, yeah, this happened.
42:13I'd rather something fucking happened at this point because this sucks way worse.
42:18And, like, every time I talk, you're digging yourself out of a hole.
42:21You're doing this.
42:22I'd rather fucking something happen at this point because it's excruciating.
42:28I think that the lack of accountability, the lack of transparency, the lack of sensitivity on Demi's end has made
42:36it very difficult for all of us to give the grace that I think that she believes she is owed.
42:43But I think all of us girls as a whole would have been a lot more open had we had
42:48that transparency from the beginning.
42:51Don't feel like you have to go out there.
42:53No, I feel like I have to for me.
42:55Okay, for you, then let's fucking do it.
42:57Let's do it.
42:58I want you to really feel like you're up to it.
43:01Every part of me wants to run, and I'm like, no, you're going to stay like you deserve to be
43:06here, and, like, you're not going to let them win.
43:10She's smart.
43:10She's calculated.
43:11She knew what the fuck she was doing.
43:13And I'm sorry, but I won't be friends with her anymore.
43:15Like, I've been seeing this behavior for a long time, and I'm done.
43:23Let me show you how to make a mo' sweat.
43:25Yeah.
43:25You and my neck of the woods.
43:27My side of the corner got bad.
43:29Huh.
43:30About to go all out, all out.
43:32Give them all a hundred percent.
43:33Hello!
43:36Thank you so much for being here.
43:39Oh, my God.
43:40After filming the reunion all day yesterday, I am still in Utah.
43:43And today's my first meet and greet for Act As Campaign.
43:47I am the face of their cork collection.
43:49Hey, ready?
43:51One, two, three, cheese.
43:53Hey, cutie, you come up here in front.
43:54And right after, we're having an influencer dinner with influencers in Utah.
43:58And all of MomTalk, they're there to support me.
44:01Are you going to Whitney's event tonight?
44:02Yeah, I said I would.
44:04She's going to be supportive.
44:06I said that I would go, too.
44:08Are you?
44:08Yeah.
44:09Okay.
44:09Well, I'm surprised you're going to an event for Whitney.
44:12I get pretty close.
44:12Just kidding.
44:13Oh, true.
44:14But I feel like we had a good moment yesterday just after everything.
44:18I think trauma dumping really just bonds people.
44:20People, yeah.
44:21How does it feel hearing Jay say not having intimacy is an issue for him?
44:26It's like I feel guilty that I can't show up for him when he's so amazing to me.
44:30Whitney, how does that make you feel?
44:32It's just a horrible thing that I think anyone has to go through, being sexually abused.
44:39I feel like it's just confusing still with her.
44:42She's very confusing to me.
44:43Yeah.
44:43No, I get that.
44:44She still doesn't get it.
44:46Like yesterday I could tell you still don't get it.
44:48I don't know if she ever will, though.
44:49And it's at the point where you kind of like, that's Whitney.
44:51It's hard.
44:52You can be this or that.
44:54You are a different brain.
44:56Magnetic superfly.
44:58You're who they want to be.
45:00It's the strangest things can make you fall in love.
45:04I think you're just like me.
45:06I think you look like fun.
45:08You look like fun.
45:11You look like fun.
45:13I think I can't be.
45:15I think I can't be.
45:16I think I can't be.
45:19Gosh.
45:20Stop, stop.
45:21Spin.
45:21Yes.
45:22I can't spend too much or I might flash someone's table now.
45:26Thank you guys so much.
45:28I love it.
45:29Everything's just been like perfect.
45:31Like, I'm so grateful.
45:33Yeah.
45:33You look stunning.
45:34We'll see how tonight goes.
45:35Yeah.
45:36Yeah.
45:36It will be good.
45:37Good.
45:37We're manifesting good.
45:39Okay.
45:39The reunion was literally yesterday, so I'm sure everyone is still feeling those heightened
45:44emotions right now.
45:45So them taking time out of their day to come to this event that's in support of me, it means
45:52a lot to me.
45:52It just reminds me more than ever how important these friendships are.
46:00I'm still processing everything that happened yesterday at the reunion, but I'm choosing
46:06to stay here, to support Whitney, even if it means running into to me again.
46:20Hi.
46:22How are you?
46:24How are you feeling after today?
46:26So tired.
46:27I know.
46:27So gasped.
46:28Like, my body's all exhausted.
46:29No, my body's so tired.
46:31I'm curious, like, what your thoughts are on it.
46:33It was a shit show.
46:35Yeah, that's how I felt about it.
46:37To me, I'm like, it is what it is.
46:38I'm like.
46:39I felt for so many people during that reunion, but, you know, she's not.
46:43It's probably the worst I've ever seen her.
46:45Yeah.
46:45I'm sorry, did you try to tell me that I couldn't own it?
46:48I run this thing like I was wondering if I didn't see her.
46:51Hi.
46:51Thank you so much for coming.
46:53Yeah.
46:54I'm just going to show up.
46:55Yesterday was insane.
46:56Stop.
46:57Of course, they're all coming.
46:58Congrats.
47:02How are you?
47:03I'm good.
47:04How are you?
47:05I feel like yesterday was, like, heavy.
47:06How are you feeling?
47:06I felt like it was a very good closer.
47:08Like, a closer.
47:09Good.
47:09Wait, that's actually really good.
47:10Like, I think I would have, like, normally been, like, very emotional.
47:13I think I was just like, this is bullshit.
47:14This is done.
47:15Boom.
47:15Good.
47:16Good.
47:17I know.
47:17I was really happy.
47:18I crashed out for two days, had the reunion, and I'm good.
47:20Last night, Taylor and Dakota got very heated.
47:22Please, Taylor, for the love of God, stay away from this man.
47:26Keep going.
47:27Go ahead with your lies.
47:28Lies?
47:28I had this perception when I first met you, like, red flag, red flag.
47:32I do not like you.
47:33I can't accept anything that comes out of your mouth, because it's all bullshit, dude.
47:37She's about to go to the bachelorette, and I'm hopeful that she can, you know, put her
47:41brain on right, but we all know she has the biggest weak spot for that man.
47:45How is it for you?
47:47Um, I feel like I left feeling, like, a little frustrated, because I feel like we didn't even
47:50get to, like, talk about a lot of things, and there was some things I wanted to, like,
47:54say.
47:54Like what?
47:55Well, she stood to me.
47:56She's not even here.
47:57What do you mean she's not here?
47:59She's not coming.
48:02Isn't this Whitney's thing?
48:05Well, that's what we're talking about, because I'm, like, it's hypocritical, considering
48:07how much shit Whitney got for not going to Macy's thing.
48:10But she just said last night, I'll see you tomorrow.
48:11You're coming, right?
48:12And I was like, yeah.
48:12I heard she wasn't coming.
48:15She told Whitney she's not doing well mentally right now.
48:18She's, like, crashing out.
48:23That's her.
48:23It's just her best friend.
48:25I will say, I feel like these events are kind of, like, what MomTalk is here for each
48:30other, is to support each other at these events.
48:32And I feel like when one gets to, like, hide when they want, that's not right.
48:37It's not okay.
48:38It's not how you work with other people as a team player.
48:40I'm like, girl, you're not helping yourself at all.
48:58Has anyone talked to me since the reunion?
49:00Not since the reunion.
49:02This is so sick.
49:06Good to see you.
49:07Hi.
49:08There you go.
49:09Time to go.
49:10They're quite literally dancing on Dancing with the Stars.
49:14Wait, why did they let me in it and she quit the show?
49:16Okay, wait, question.
49:17Are you going to tell me yet?
49:18Like, why you're not filming yet anymore?
49:21Hello?
49:22Hello?
49:23Taylor has a guy on his way over.
49:26Holy shit, you're tall.
49:27Hey, what up, Dorigo?
49:29That's my bachelorette.
49:31My heart is racing.
49:32I feel like I'm going to get in a fight tonight or something.
49:44Let's go.
49:51Let's go.
49:57Okay, let's go.
50:00intérico is racing.
50:04Let's go.
50:04Hey.
50:04150 miles
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