00:00I don't know how many people have come up to us after the fact and said, like,
00:03I heard this in middle school and I was really closeted and this was like my anthem for my sexuality
00:10and my awakening.
00:12It's just so surprising after the fact where a song was born inside you can be received in so many
00:17different, really profound ways.
00:27Nick and I decided to move to Nowhere, Florida, and it took us two years to get this record going.
00:32We found ourselves just writing a bunch of kind of junk.
00:37It was like, it was kind of just like a lot of experimentation.
00:40Everything was fueled on Frasier and red wine.
00:42Yeah.
00:43By the time he showed me a little secret, he was like, sure, that's fine.
00:47That's easy.
00:48Let's do that one today.
00:50Let me know that I've done wrong when I've known this all along.
00:56I go around a time or two just to waste my time with you.
01:03A dirty little secret can be so ambiguous.
01:05In the context of the lyrics here, having this special thing that obviously to one party's
01:12side is something that there might be a little shame for and that the other party clearly
01:18knows that that's the case.
01:20I mean, I think I was 18 when I pinned this.
01:22And so it's just as simple as sort of pretending you're in a relationship that you don't want
01:27anybody to know about.
01:42This person clearly has made sacrifices for this relationship and clearly the narrator hasn't.
01:48And it's stringing them along.
01:51It's not really taking itself too seriously, but it's a common occurrence in a relationship
01:56where people are guarded and slow playing and one side's always running faster than the other.
02:02It's more fun if it's just ours.
02:22I remember just running around the kitchen chasing my girlfriend with this chorus and it was fun and it was
02:29silly.
02:30And I think that's sort of like the measurement for a good song when you're kind of casting
02:34it aside as, oh, this is just kind of silly fun.
02:50I think this couple is actually the part that actually people took their own takeaway from.
02:55Life is so, it's so serious all the time that sometimes definition, especially with relationships,
03:01can make things so much more complicated.
03:03It's just easier to keep it easy and light.
03:30The song is this relationship.
03:32It's playful, it's fun in the beginning.
03:33And then as the second verse kind of comes along, it's kind of getting a little deeper.
03:37At the bridge, it's like punching with this breaking point of this relationship.
03:42The torment of this secret isn't going to keep itself anymore.
03:46She's had enough.
03:47A good bridge can just fucking make a song.
03:51More modern music, people just skip it because they got in a room together and wrote a verse
03:56and a chorus.
03:56That's pretty much it.
03:58Then they never see each other again.
03:59They ran out of time.
04:00Somebody had to go get their kids at school.
04:02I don't fucking know.
04:02Nobody ever makes time to write a bridge.
04:04So I think a well-constructed bridge can be fucking...
04:08That was our bag, man.
04:10Bridges on that Move Along record are fucking the best parts of the songs.
04:14It's funny.
04:15Looking back now, it's like, this is our band.
04:16This is a tongue bursting through the cheek.
04:19It's fucking catchy.
04:20And it's what we love about the music we grew up listening to.
04:24You know, this was the first song that we crossed that Rubicon from going to alternative
04:29rock, which is why I think we didn't want Dirty Little Secret to go.
04:32Because we crossed over to pop with this.
04:35A lot of bands in our genre didn't make it there.
04:38It was that moment in Field of Dreams when James Earl Jones steps off the field and is
04:43like, I'm a doctor now.
04:44He gives up his career at baseball.
04:46We're a pop band now.
04:47And that hung over us like a monster for a long time because it wasn't cool to be a
04:53pop band in the mid-2000s.
04:54And we were the band who dropped off the Warped Tour and went and played like David Letterman
04:58or some shit and then came back to the Warped Tour and like it just felt different.
05:04Yeah, like you guys are like mainstream now.
05:07And now I am so fucking grateful for walking across that line.
05:12We were just like, man, we're t-shirt and jeans, rock and roll from Oklahoma.
05:16So like either you fuck with us or like fuck off.
05:22It kind of sounded like a really bad Tom Petty song when we played it as a full band.
05:26And we're like, yeah, that's probably not going to be on the record.
05:28And it wasn't until our producer on this record, Howard Benson, he was like, what about
05:32this Dirty Little Secret song?
05:33Like, eh, we tried it, it sucks.
05:35He was like, why don't you just like play it like a rock band?
05:38And we're like, oh, that was easy.
05:40Thanks, Howard.
05:41Yeah, that's better.
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