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The Last Word with Lawrence ODonnell - Season 13 - Episode 08
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00:00Well, nine years ago, I asked the question on Twitter, if Trump gets dementia, how will we know?
00:07Donald Trump makes a public dementia diagnosis difficult because he is a pathological liar,
00:13having been caught telling over 30,000 lies and is forced for years of the presidency.
00:17He's also the most ignorant person in the history of the American presidency and
00:21usually operates at a level of public stupidity never seen in American political history.
00:26And so if you mix or together pathological lying with ignorance and relentless stupidity,
00:33you will sound like you are in neurological decline all the time, even if you're not.
00:39When you throw in a 79-year-old brain, then dementia is one of the very first things you think
00:44of
00:45when you see Donald Trump on Friday get up, get up from his chair in the middle of a White
00:49House meeting
00:49with oil executives to turn away from everyone in the room and gaze out a window which he imagined
00:57to be the entrance to a building that does not exist and then stand in that window talking to himself
01:07about what isn't outside that window.
01:13I got to look at this myself.
01:21Wow.
01:24What a view.
01:26This is the door to the ball.
01:31What a job.
01:34Unusual time to look.
01:38No, it's not the door to the ballroom.
01:40But he is right that it is an unusual time to look at his imaginary ballroom.
01:49And so everyone who has seen that, including the oil executives who were in that room,
01:54are left to wonder, is that dementia or is that just Trump?
01:58That's the person who was trying to convince the oil industry executives to rush down to Venezuela
02:02and start taking Venezuelan oil.
02:04And he convinced none of them to do that.
02:07And the evidence of Trump dementia during the meeting probably convinced most or all of them
02:12that Donald Trump can't be believed about anything.
02:18You'll make it back one way or the other.
02:20You're all going to do very well.
02:21I think really very well.
02:22Marco just gave me a note.
02:24Go back to Chevron.
02:27They want to discuss something.
02:28Go ahead.
02:29I'm going back to Chevron.
02:31Thank you, Marco.
02:32Is there a question, Mr. President?
02:35Yes.
02:35Go ahead, Marco.
02:36What are you saying here?
02:39Is that dementia or is that just Trump?
02:44Imagine just imagine what the White House press corps would have done with that
02:50if Joe Biden had done either one of those things that you just saw Donald Trump do.
02:59Donald Trump went to Detroit today to lie to the audience of rich people at the Detroit Economic Club
03:06telling them that prices are down after a year of inflation holding steady
03:10thanks to Donald Trump's tariffs and Donald Trump's other economic mismanagement.
03:17And so I think we can assume his lie about inflation to an audience that knows better today
03:22was just Donald Trump's typical pathological lying.
03:26He would have told that lie at his sharpest.
03:30That particular lie is not evidence of neurological decline in Donald Trump,
03:35but it is further proof that you cannot believe anything Donald Trump says about anything.
03:43Donald Trump droned through a lifeless teleprompter reading of a speech that appeared to be his
03:49first reading of the words that he was speaking to that audience.
03:53And at the end, Donald Trump decided in what could well be evidence of dementia
04:01that the Detroit Economic Club really wanted to see him dance in his 79-year-old way
04:09to America's gay national anthem YMCA by the village people,
04:15which was blaring away in the nightclubs that Donald Trump frequented when that song came out
04:21in 1978 when he was 32 years old.
04:28The United States is winning again, and we're rapidly making America and the great state of Michigan
04:34greater and more prosperous than ever before.
04:36I want to again thank the Detroit Economic Club.
04:39You do a fantastic job.
04:41So respected.
04:41God bless you, and God bless America.
04:44Thank you very much, everybody.
04:57Young man, there's no need to feel down.
05:01I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground.
05:05I said, young man, cause you're in a new town.
05:08There's no need to be unhappy.
05:12Young man, there's a place you can go.
05:16I said, young man, when you're short on your dough, you can stay there.
05:21And I'm sure you will find many ways to...
05:27The man just walking off that stage and disappearing into those black curtains
05:32after trying and failing to dance thinks he is the acting president of Venezuela.
05:38He has publicly declared himself to be the acting president of Venezuela,
05:42and that is strong evidence of dementia, and it is a Trump pathological lie,
05:47and it is further proof that you cannot believe anything Donald Trump ever says
05:52about anything, and I mean anything.
05:57Donald Trump says she ran him over.
06:01The man who thinks he is the acting president of Venezuela said, quote,
06:06she ran him over, she didn't try to run him over, she ran him over.
06:12Those were Donald Trump's exact words when lying about Renee Goode.
06:17Every video, from every angle of the killing of Renee Goode by one of Donald Trump's ICE agents
06:24shows that she did not run him over.
06:29And this angle proves that the ICE agent, Jonathan Ross,
06:34fired his last two shots at her when she posed no threat to him at all.
06:41He is clearly standing beside a car that is moving away from him.
06:47It is impossible for that car to hit that man now, in that spot, when he is firing that gun.
06:56That car cannot suddenly go sideways.
07:00The decision to fire those shots would have been made only if Jonathan Ross was convinced
07:07that the first shot he fired did not stop her.
07:12The fact is that most bullets fired by law enforcement officers in the line of duty
07:18miss their targets most of the time.
07:22But if Jonathan Ross' first shot hit Renee Goode,
07:25then there was no reason to fire a second shot.
07:28And if the second shot hit Renee Goode, then there was no reason to fire a third shot.
07:34And law enforcement officers are required to assess the situation after each shot that they fire
07:41to decide whether to fire another shot.
07:45It is not legal for them to just keep firing bullets as long as they have bullets.
07:52If the third shot hit Renee Goode and killed her,
07:55that shot was fired when she posed no threat to Jonathan Ross or anyone else on that scene,
08:04as this disturbing video proves.
08:23What the f*** did you do?
08:34You. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. What's happening to her? What happened?
09:02Oh.
09:03Do you. You shot her. I'm trying to help. No. No. You shot someone in the.
09:24There was no apparent injury to Jonathan Ross. On that video you see him walking all the way down to
09:30the car
09:30after he has fired the deadly shots,
09:33and you see him walking all the way back,
09:35no limping, nothing,
09:37no hint in any of his movement
09:40after the fact that he was injured in any way,
09:42not injured in the slightest,
09:43no hint of that in that video.
09:46It was mass resignation day
09:48in the Trump Justice Department today
09:51from Minnesota to Washington, D.C.,
09:53and Washington, six members of the Civil Rights Division
09:55of the Trump Justice Department quit.
09:57MS Now's Karolinik and Kandelanian Report
10:00quote, top leaders of the criminal section
10:02of the Civil Rights Division
10:03have left their jobs
10:04to register their frustration with the department
10:07after the Assistant Attorney General
10:08for Civil Rights, Harmeet Dillon,
10:11decided not to investigate
10:13the ICE officer's fatal shooting
10:15of Renee Good last week.
10:16The criminal section of the division
10:18would normally investigate
10:19any fatal shooting by a law enforcement officer
10:21and specializes in probing potential
10:24or alleged abuse of improper
10:26or improper use of force by law enforcement.
10:29So, the most experienced lawyers
10:31in dealing with incidents like this
10:33at the Trump Justice Department
10:35are not being allowed to participate
10:38in the investigation in any way.
10:40And in Minnesota today,
10:41another six attorneys have quit
10:43the Trump Justice Department
10:44in the U.S. Attorney's Office there.
10:46The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that,
10:49quote, a majority of the leadership team
10:50at the Minnesota U.S. Attorney's Office
10:52resigned on January 13
10:54over the direction of the Justice Department
10:57under the Trump administration.
10:58Among those who resigned was Joe Thompson,
11:01the lead federal prosecutor
11:02and public voice
11:03on uncovering rampant fraud in Minnesota.
11:08Joe Thompson is a 12-year veteran
11:10of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota
11:12and has been leading the fraud investigation
11:14in Minnesota that Donald Trump claims
11:16is the reason he sent thousands
11:18of federal agents to Minnesota
11:20in what our first guest tonight calls
11:22an invasion.
11:23The Minnesota Star Tribune reports,
11:26quote,
11:26the departures of several prosecutors
11:28stemmed from directives
11:30from top federal officials
11:31to staff members
11:32after the killing of Renee Good
11:33by ICE agent Jonathan Ross,
11:35according to sources familiar
11:36with the decision
11:37that included blocking
11:39the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension
11:41from the investigation
11:42into the shooting
11:43and a request from the Justice Department
11:46to investigate Good's widow
11:48for possible federal charges.
11:51Governor Tim Walz,
11:52whose state government
11:53has been the focus
11:55of Joe Thompson's fraud investigation,
11:58said, quote,
11:59Joe is a principled public servant
12:01who spent more than a decade
12:02achieving justice for Minnesotans.
12:04This is a huge loss for our state.
12:07Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Harris
12:10said, quote,
12:10when you lose the leader
12:11responsible for making the fraud cases,
12:14it tells you this isn't really
12:15about prosecuting fraud.
12:18Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison
12:20has now turned Christy Noem
12:22into a defendant
12:23in the case of Minnesota versus Noem.
12:26The Attorney General,
12:27along with the cities of Minneapolis
12:29and St. Paul,
12:30are suing the Department
12:31of Homeland Security
12:32to stop what Attorney General Ellison
12:34calls the Trump invasion of Minnesota.
12:38The deployment of thousands
12:40of armed mass DHS agents
12:42to Minnesota
12:43has done our state serious harm.
12:46This is, in essence,
12:48a federal invasion
12:49of the Twin Cities
12:50and Minnesota,
12:51and it must stop.
12:54Leading off our discussion tonight
12:56is Minnesota Attorney General
12:57Keith Ellison.
12:58I want to begin,
13:00General Ellison,
13:00with your reaction
13:01to what you saw
13:03in the U.S. Attorney's Office
13:05today in Minnesota
13:06and the Civil Rights Division
13:07in Washington.
13:08Well, the first thing
13:10is that we still have
13:12the precious life
13:14of Renee Nicole Good
13:16that needs to be investigated.
13:20And if the most experienced
13:22federal lawyers
13:23are not going to be involved
13:25because Harmeet Dillon
13:28and Todd Blanche
13:30and Pam Bondi
13:32have said they wouldn't be,
13:33and if they're still denying
13:35state investigators
13:37access to the file,
13:39then how is
13:40Ms. Good's case
13:42ever going to be investigated?
13:44The feds won't do it,
13:46and they're denying
13:46the state access to the file.
13:48So that is deeply concerning.
13:51Now, look,
13:52it turns out
13:53that prosecutors
13:56have ethics,
13:57principles,
13:58morals,
13:59and there's,
14:00and the Trump administration
14:02has crossed the line
14:03with them,
14:03so they had to walk.
14:05This is what
14:06any principled person
14:08would do
14:08when they were confronted
14:10with a moral quandary
14:11that they simply
14:12could not engage in.
14:14They had to walk,
14:15and I commend them for it.
14:17I can tell you
14:18that for the difficulties
14:20that we're having
14:21with the federal government
14:22in Washington,
14:24we work quite cooperatively
14:25with federal officials
14:27in Minnesota,
14:28whether they're
14:30at the U.S. Attorney's Office
14:31or whether they're
14:32at ATF
14:33or even the FBI.
14:35The calls
14:36to basically
14:37shut down
14:38this investigation
14:39are coming from Washington,
14:41not Minnesota,
14:41and it sounds like
14:43even people in Washington
14:44are saying,
14:45we are here
14:47to investigate cases
14:48exactly like this one.
14:49If you will not allow us
14:51to be involved
14:51in this case,
14:52we cannot remain here,
14:53and I'm saddened by it,
14:56but it really speaks
14:58to the fact
14:58that the federal government
15:00is covering up
15:00a death investigation,
15:03and that's pretty sad.
15:05So in a shooting like this,
15:07the three most important
15:11evidence sources
15:12are, of course,
15:13the body
15:14and the autopsy report
15:15that is produced from that,
15:17secondly, the gun,
15:18and thirdly, the car.
15:20The FBI has the gun,
15:22the FBI has the car,
15:24as I understand it,
15:25but the county,
15:26the state of Minnesota,
15:27the county,
15:28has the body
15:29and is in charge
15:30of the autopsy report.
15:32Will we see
15:32the autopsy report?
15:35You know,
15:36let me tell you,
15:36all bets are off
15:38nowadays, Lawrence,
15:39but I think
15:39the answer is yes,
15:42but that's what
15:43I'm pushing for.
15:44That's what I believe
15:45should happen
15:46and will happen.
15:47I hope not to come
15:48to your show
15:49and say,
15:50I thought so
15:51in good faith,
15:51but the federal
15:53government did something
15:54to prevent it,
15:55but my understanding
15:56is yes,
15:57we will,
15:58that information
15:58will be forthcoming,
15:59but the shell casings,
16:01the gun,
16:03the car,
16:06whether or not
16:07there's been
16:07a toxicology test
16:11for Jonathan Ross,
16:15which is standard,
16:18those kind of things
16:19are in the possession
16:20of the federal government.
16:22And quite honestly,
16:23if we're doing things
16:24anywhere close
16:25to the right way,
16:26they have essentially
16:27declined prosecution
16:29at this point.
16:31So,
16:32so,
16:32so open up the file
16:34and hand it
16:34and let the state
16:35get access to it
16:36so that we can
16:37do our investigation.
16:38The state has a right
16:39to investigate
16:40this homicide.
16:42And now,
16:43the federal government
16:44has decided
16:45that they're not
16:45going to pursue it,
16:46so they should
16:47open up the,
16:48hand the file over.
16:49And I think
16:50that's just logical.
16:51And I would wonder
16:53why they wouldn't do that
16:54since they've been crying.
16:55If there's a Minnesota
16:57grand jury investigation,
16:59would that create the,
17:01would that have the power
17:03to subpoena
17:05the gun
17:06from the federal government
17:07or subpoena the car
17:10and subpoena
17:11whatever is in possession?
17:13Would any evidence
17:14that's actually
17:15physical evidence
17:16in possession
17:16of the FBI?
17:18I say yes.
17:20But understand this,
17:22Lawrence,
17:23that's probably
17:24going to be
17:24a thorny legal issue
17:27to sort through.
17:28Because logically,
17:29the federal government
17:30has declined the case
17:31at this point.
17:32They should hand over
17:33the file.
17:34But what if they don't?
17:35And there have been
17:36a lot of unorthodox,
17:38unprecedented things
17:39that have happened.
17:39If they don't,
17:40then we're going to have
17:41to get a judge
17:42to make them release it.
17:43And will the,
17:45does a court
17:46have the authority
17:47under separation of powers
17:48to tell the executive branch
17:50to release information?
17:51I mean,
17:52it would be,
17:53I suspect we'd have
17:55a court battle over it.
17:56But my position would be
17:57that the state
17:58would be entitled to it.
18:00Minnesota Attorney General
18:01Keith Ellison,
18:02thank you very much
18:03for starting off
18:03our coverage tonight.
18:04Thank you, sir.
18:06Coming up,
18:07Donald Trump's
18:08so-called border czar,
18:09Tom Homan,
18:09finally faced the question,
18:11what happened
18:11to the $50,000 in cash
18:13FBI undercover agents
18:14gave him
18:15during the last
18:16Trump presidential campaign?
18:19That's next
18:20with Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.
18:26Investigative reporting
18:26by MS Dow's
18:27Karolinig and Ken Delanion
18:29broke the news
18:30in September of last year
18:32that Donald Trump's
18:33so-called border czar,
18:34Tom Homan,
18:34who serves
18:35who serves
18:36in a position
18:36invented by Donald Trump
18:38that does not require
18:39Senate confirmation,
18:40was recorded
18:42on an FBI undercover video
18:44accepting $50,000
18:45in cash
18:47from undercover
18:48FBI agents
18:50in the last year,
18:51the year before
18:52Donald Trump
18:53became president.
18:54When that news broke,
18:56Tom Homan
18:57disappeared
18:58from Sunday morning TV
18:59where he might be asked
19:00a difficult question
19:01about the $50,000
19:03in cash,
19:03but this Sunday
19:04on Meet the Press
19:06at the end
19:07of an interview
19:08about other issues,
19:10Kristen Welker
19:10followed the money.
19:15As you know,
19:16in an undercover
19:17operation in 2024,
19:18the FBI recorded
19:20you accepting
19:20a bag
19:21which was determined
19:22to contain
19:23$50,000
19:23from agents
19:25posing as business
19:26executives
19:27who said
19:27you indicated
19:28you could help
19:29win government contracts
19:30in the second
19:31Trump administration,
19:32I want to stress
19:32there was
19:33an investigation
19:34it was closed
19:35last year
19:35the Justice Department
19:36said it found
19:37quote,
19:37no credible evidence
19:38of any criminal wrongdoing
19:40I do want to give you
19:41an opportunity
19:42to respond though
19:43Mr. Homan
19:44where is that $50,000?
19:46Did you keep it
19:47or did you return it?
19:48I didn't take $50,000
19:49from anybody
19:50and that's the question
19:50for the FBI
19:51I'm not going to give
19:52this story anymore
19:53here
19:53bottom line
19:54I did nothing illegal
19:55I did nothing
19:57in the FBI
19:58and DOJ
19:58review this
19:59no credible evidence
20:00I did anything
20:01because I didn't do
20:01anything illegal
20:02but was there
20:03$50,000 in the bag
20:05and did you return it?
20:06I'm not giving this story
20:06anymore here
20:07this is an attack
20:09on my integrity
20:09and my professionalism
20:11I'm not addressing it
20:11that's a question
20:12of the FBI
20:13can you address
20:14given that it's been recorded
20:16did you keep the money
20:17did you return the money?
20:18I did not keep
20:20$50,000 is ridiculous
20:22the FBI has been clearing
20:23this
20:23you know
20:24and it irritates me
20:25this story
20:25keeps going on
20:26and on
20:26even though
20:27I've been found
20:28nothing inappropriate
20:29so I'm not going to ask
20:30any more of these questions
20:31did you return the money?
20:33I didn't have many money
20:34to return
20:35I didn't take the $50,000
20:36bottom line
20:37let me ask you
20:38you're saying
20:39you did nothing unlawful
20:40would you be comfortable
20:41with the FBI
20:43releasing the recording?
20:45that's a decision
20:46the FBI
20:46but it might be a decision
20:48for the FBI
20:48but would you be comfortable
20:49if they released
20:50again
20:51I'm not getting ahead
20:52of the FBI
20:53in this investigation
20:53but can you just say
20:55on a personal level
20:56would you be comfortable
20:56releasing the recordings?
20:58I am not going to get ahead
20:59of the FBI
21:00that's their decision
21:01okay
21:01all right
21:02Mr. Homan
21:03thank you very much
21:04for being here
21:05thank you
21:08joining us now
21:09is Democratic Senator
21:09Sheldon White
21:10who's a member
21:11of the Senate
21:12Judiciary Committee
21:13and he has been waiting
21:14to hear those questions
21:15asked
21:15for several months now
21:17Senator
21:18let me begin
21:19with the question
21:20that Mr. Homan
21:22refused to answer
21:23would you be comfortable
21:25if the FBI
21:26releases those recordings
21:29I mean
21:31if
21:32he says
21:33he's done nothing wrong
21:34and it's totally
21:35everything he did
21:37was totally appropriate
21:38why would you not
21:40allow those
21:41recordings to be released
21:43why would that be
21:44inappropriate
21:45and by the way
21:46when the FBI
21:47delivers
21:48$50,000
21:49in an operation
21:51like this
21:52there's a whole
21:54procedure
21:55of paperwork
21:56and reports
21:57that they have
21:58to go through
21:58to get access
21:59to that cash
22:01and they have
22:02to then report
22:03what became of it
22:04did they get it back
22:06and so there's
22:07an actual
22:07federal record
22:08through the FBI
22:10about this
22:11$50,000
22:13and we can't
22:14get answers
22:15to those questions
22:16we asked
22:17Attorney General
22:17Bondi about it
22:18we've got a
22:19FOIA
22:20out about it
22:21these are
22:22fairly standard
22:23records
22:24and so
22:26you know
22:27when
22:27Holman said
22:29you know
22:29these questions
22:30they just go
22:31on and on
22:31and on
22:32and on
22:32and on
22:33well duh
22:34the reason
22:34they keep
22:35going on
22:35and on
22:36and on
22:36is because
22:36you won't
22:37answer
22:37where's
22:38the $50,000
22:40and between
22:41him
22:42and the FBI
22:43they know
22:44where the $50,000
22:45is
22:45and yet
22:46here we are
22:47months later
22:48and they still
22:49won't answer
22:50so
22:51the great
22:52thing about
22:53Kristen Welker
22:54staying
22:54specifically
22:55on the
22:56$50,000
22:57is this
22:58gets
22:58the
22:58she just
22:59established
23:00the best
23:01record yet
23:01of what
23:03Mr. Holman
23:04has to say
23:05about the
23:05$50,000
23:06and he says
23:07I didn't
23:08take $50,000
23:09from anyone
23:10he also says
23:11I didn't
23:12return
23:12$50,000
23:13well
23:14one of those
23:15things
23:15is
23:16one of those
23:17answers
23:17is provable
23:18on video
23:19there is
23:20there is
23:20reportedly
23:21a video
23:22of that
23:23guy
23:23sitting in
23:24a room
23:24with undercover
23:25FBI agents
23:26who are doing
23:27an undercover
23:27video
23:28and on that
23:29video
23:29we will
23:30see him
23:31take the
23:32$50,000
23:32or not
23:34take the
23:34$50,000
23:35and if
23:36he can show
23:36a video
23:37of him
23:37not taking
23:39the $50,000
23:40wouldn't they
23:41rush to get
23:42that video
23:42out there
23:43yeah
23:44and there's
23:45highly likely
23:45to be
23:46an FBI
23:46302
23:47also
23:48the
23:48investigative
23:49form
23:50that they
23:50fill out
23:51after an
23:52interview
23:52or an
23:53episode
23:54like this
23:54where they
23:55come back
23:55to the
23:55office
23:56and they
23:56write down
23:57what took
23:58place
23:58so they've
23:58got a
23:58contemporaneous
23:59record
24:00that the
24:01tape would
24:02then support
24:03so there's
24:05a ton of
24:05evidence
24:05about what
24:06actually
24:06happened
24:07and the
24:08MAGA
24:08DOJ
24:09just won't
24:10let it out
24:10because they
24:11don't want
24:11their guy
24:12to be
24:12embarrassed
24:13and we
24:14this is
24:15it's very
24:15clear
24:16this is one
24:17of the
24:17things
24:17one of the
24:18reasons why
24:18Donald Trump
24:19had to
24:19invent a
24:20job
24:21that does
24:22not require
24:23Senate
24:23confirmation
24:23in order
24:24for him
24:25to be
24:25working in
24:26the federal
24:26government
24:27now
24:28yeah
24:28and you
24:29know
24:29the thing
24:30that's kind
24:31of a riot
24:31if you think
24:32about today's
24:33recent news
24:35and the
24:36subpoena
24:36to Jay
24:37Powell
24:39Jeanine
24:40Pirro's
24:40explanation
24:41for that
24:41is because
24:42that
24:42they weren't
24:43getting
24:43answers
24:44they weren't
24:45getting
24:45complete
24:45answers
24:46they weren't
24:47getting
24:47timely
24:48answers
24:48and so
24:49they had
24:50to resort
24:50to a
24:51subpoena
24:51well
24:52false
24:53incomplete
24:54and untimely
24:55answers
24:55is sort
24:56of the
24:56hallmark
24:56of this
24:57administration
24:58so the
24:59idea that
24:59they're
25:00aggravated
25:01by false
25:01incomplete
25:02or untimely
25:03answers
25:03I mean
25:04the irony
25:04is rich
25:05and this
25:06guy is the
25:07perfect example
25:08of false
25:08incomplete
25:09or untimely
25:10answers
25:11clearly
25:12his game
25:13was he
25:13was going
25:14to stay
25:14off TV
25:15long enough
25:15for this
25:16to cool
25:16down
25:18but Kristen
25:19Welker
25:19didn't see
25:20it that way
25:20and the
25:21record is
25:22now lucky
25:22because of
25:23her persistence
25:24on that
25:25and it
25:26comes down
25:27to a very
25:27simple
25:28provable
25:29thing with
25:29the video
25:30there's a
25:30video that
25:31will show
25:31him taking
25:32the money
25:32or not
25:33taking
25:34the money
25:34and it
25:34seems to
25:35me
25:35if the
25:36Democrats
25:36win the
25:36Senate
25:37next year
25:38and you
25:39have more
25:39control
25:40over this
25:40Justice
25:41Department
25:41you should
25:42would you
25:43at that
25:43point
25:43have more
25:44power
25:45to get
25:45this
25:46video
25:46yes
25:47and even
25:48more
25:48would come
25:49through the
25:50House Judiciary
25:51Committee
25:51because a
25:52House Judiciary
25:53subpoena
25:54doesn't need
25:55to go
25:56through a
25:57filibustable
25:58Senate
25:59for
26:00enforcement
26:01whereas as
26:02we saw
26:03with our
26:03subpoenas
26:04to try to
26:04get to
26:05the bottom
26:05of Clarence
26:06Thomas'
26:07many scandals
26:08to Leonard
26:08Leo
26:09and other
26:09people
26:10the Senate
26:12Republicans
26:12refused
26:13to allow
26:14the enforcement
26:16of the
26:17subpoena
26:17to proceed
26:18through the
26:18Senate
26:18floor
26:19so we
26:21have an
26:21additional
26:21hurdle
26:22in the
26:22Senate
26:23at getting
26:23subpoenas
26:24enforced
26:24the House
26:25can go
26:26right at
26:27it
26:27and so
26:28one way
26:28or the
26:29other
26:29whether it's
26:30a Chairman
26:31Raskin
26:31or potentially
26:32a Chairman
26:33White House
26:34in the
26:34Senate
26:35Judiciary
26:35Committee
26:37this is
26:37going to
26:38come out
26:38sooner or
26:38later
26:39but I
26:40think their
26:40hope is
26:41by then
26:41they're
26:41gone
26:42and
26:43getting
26:44paid
26:44by somebody
26:44else
26:45and that's
26:45the end
26:45of it
26:45all they
26:46need to
26:46do
26:46is get
26:47through
26:47this
26:47moment
26:48but I
26:49think
26:49it's
26:50going to
26:50come out
26:50and it
26:53just has
26:54to
26:56Chairman
26:56to be
26:57Sheldon
26:57White House
26:58thank you
26:58very much
26:59for joining
26:59us tonight
27:00thank you
27:02and coming
27:02up the
27:03Democrats
27:03now have
27:04a strong
27:05chance
27:05to win
27:06control
27:06of the
27:07United
27:07States
27:07Senate
27:07in this
27:08year's
27:08election
27:09and make
27:10Sheldon
27:10White House
27:10the Chairman
27:11of the
27:11Senate
27:11Judiciary
27:12Committee
27:12and Donald
27:13Trump
27:13is now
27:14doing
27:14everything
27:15he can
27:16to help
27:16the
27:16Democrats
27:17that's
27:18next
27:18with
27:18Georgia
27:19Senator
27:19John
27:19Ossoff
27:20who is
27:20running
27:20for
27:21re-election
27:21this year
27:26with the
27:26announcement
27:26yesterday
27:27of a strong
27:28Democratic
27:28candidate
27:29running for
27:29Senate
27:29in Alaska
27:30the Democrats
27:31now have
27:32a much
27:32stronger
27:33chance
27:33of winning
27:34control
27:34of the
27:35United States
27:35Senate
27:36in November's
27:36election
27:37and Donald
27:38Trump is
27:38doing
27:39everything he
27:40can to
27:40help the
27:41Democrats
27:41as he
27:41did
27:42today
27:42in his
27:42speech
27:43to rich
27:43people
27:44at the
27:45Detroit
27:45Economic
27:46Club
27:46mocking
27:49affordability
27:51in the
27:52coming weeks
27:53I will
27:53be laying
27:54out
27:54even more
27:55plans
27:55to help
27:55bring back
27:57affordability
27:57and again
27:58remember
27:58that's a
27:59fake word
27:59by Democrats
28:01prices were
28:02too high
28:02they caused
28:03the high
28:03price
28:04they never
28:04want to
28:05talk about
28:05affordability
28:06they always
28:06go
28:06this is
28:07an election
28:08about
28:08affordability
28:09they say
28:10they're
28:11good at
28:13that
28:13stuff
28:16Donald Trump
28:16speechwriters
28:17write the
28:18mandatory
28:18line
28:19about
28:20affordability
28:21they put
28:21it in the
28:22teleprompter
28:22and when
28:23he sees
28:23the word
28:25he has
28:26to stop
28:26reading the
28:27teleprompter
28:28to tell
28:28his audience
28:29that it's
28:29a fake
28:30word
28:31invented
28:31by Democrats
28:32and then
28:33he says
28:33they're
28:34good at
28:35that
28:35Democrats
28:36are now
28:37good at
28:38talking about
28:38the
28:38affordability
28:39issue
28:39throughout
28:40the
28:41country
28:41and here
28:41is what
28:42the new
28:42Democratic
28:43candidate
28:43for Senate
28:43in Alaska
28:44former
28:44Congresswoman
28:45Mary Peltola
28:47said about
28:48it in her
28:48announcement
28:49video
28:51it's not
28:52just that
28:52politicians
28:53in D.C.
28:54don't care
28:55that we're
28:55paying
28:55$17 a
28:56gallon
28:57for milk
28:57in rural
28:58Alaska
28:58they don't
28:59even believe
29:00us
29:02the Atlanta
29:02Journal-Constitution
29:03reports
29:04quote
29:04this time
29:05last year
29:06U.S.
29:06Senator
29:06John Ossoff
29:07was considered
29:07to be
29:08the Democratic
29:08Party's
29:09likeliest
29:10casualty
29:10on the
29:112026
29:12Senate
29:12map
29:12now
29:13Georgia
29:13Democrats
29:14increasingly
29:14are confident
29:16of the
29:16first-term
29:17lawmakers
29:17midterm
29:18chances
29:19and Republicans
29:20are the ones
29:21sounding pessimistic
29:22a growing chorus
29:24of prominent
29:24Republicans
29:25is warning
29:25that without
29:26a course
29:26correction
29:27the party
29:28risks
29:28disastrous
29:30midterm
29:31losses
29:31and another
29:32six years
29:34for Ossoff
29:35joining us
29:35now
29:36is Democratic
29:36Senator
29:37John Ossoff
29:37from Georgia
29:38he's a member
29:38of the
29:39Senate
29:39Appropriations
29:39Committee
29:40the Senate
29:40Intelligence
29:40Committee
29:41the Senate
29:42Rules
29:42Committee
29:42he's running
29:43for re-election
29:43this year
29:44Senator
29:45Ossoff
29:46you
29:47your candidacy
29:49now is
29:50suffering
29:50from what I
29:51know
29:51candidates
29:52like you
29:52worry about
29:53and that
29:53is
29:54other
29:54people's
29:55confidence
29:56that you
29:56are going
29:57to win
29:57but I
29:59think
29:59you
30:00have to
30:01recognize
30:01what we
30:02are seeing
30:02nationwide
30:03here
30:04on the
30:05issues
30:05what we've
30:06seen
30:06in the
30:07elections
30:07this year
30:08and now
30:09when we
30:10see a
30:10strong
30:10Democratic
30:11candidate
30:11emerging
30:12in Alaska
30:13not only
30:14is there
30:15some confidence
30:16that you're
30:16going to win
30:17but there
30:17is a
30:18building
30:19possibility
30:20toward
30:20confidence
30:21that the
30:21Democrats
30:22could win
30:23back the
30:23Senate
30:25Lawrence
30:26thank you
30:27for having
30:27me
30:27and here's
30:28how to
30:28look at
30:29it
30:29we have
30:30huge
30:31momentum
30:31because
30:32this
30:33president
30:33and his
30:34agenda
30:35and his
30:36enablers
30:36in Congress
30:37are
30:39massively
30:39unpopular
30:40they have
30:42been
30:42stripping
30:43the country
30:43bare
30:44and selling
30:45the spare
30:45parts
30:46to enrich
30:47themselves
30:47and their
30:49wealthy
30:49donors
30:50people are
30:50hurting
30:51people are
30:52hurting
30:52because their
30:53health insurance
30:53premiums are
30:54skyrocketing
30:55people are
30:55hurting
30:56because wage
30:56growth
30:57has stalled
30:58people are
30:58hurting
30:59because the
30:59tariffs are
31:00a disaster
31:00people are
31:01hurting
31:01because prices
31:02keep getting
31:03higher
31:04and higher
31:04but
31:06complacency
31:07and overconfidence
31:10are our
31:11enemies
31:11we cannot
31:13just because
31:13we had
31:14some good
31:14results
31:15in Virginia
31:16and New
31:17Jersey
31:18take anything
31:19for granted
31:19remember
31:20I'm the only
31:21Democratic
31:21senator
31:22defending
31:22a seat
31:23in a state
31:24that the
31:24president won
31:25they will
31:26spend hundreds
31:26of millions
31:27of dollars
31:27they will
31:28use
31:29every
31:29dirty
31:30trick
31:30in the
31:31book
31:31and so
31:32if you
31:32are
31:33furious
31:33at the
31:34weekly
31:34water
31:35gate
31:35and the
31:35daily
31:36desecration
31:37of our
31:37nation's
31:38highest
31:38ideals
31:39I need
31:40your help
31:40here's
31:40something
31:41you can
31:41do
31:41right now
31:42that makes
31:42a difference
31:43go to
31:44elect
31:44john.com
31:45elect
31:46j-o-n
31:46dot com
31:47and help
31:48me win
31:48this senate
31:49race
31:49in Georgia
31:50the
31:51atlanta
31:52journal
31:53constitution
31:53is
31:53reporting
31:54190,000
31:56enrollees
31:57on the
31:59affordable
31:59care act
32:00in Georgia
32:00alone
32:02apparently
32:03have lost
32:04their health
32:05insurance
32:05at this
32:06state
32:07at this
32:07point
32:07in the
32:08year
32:09because
32:10of the
32:10republican
32:11refusal
32:12to extend
32:13the subsidies
32:14that those
32:14people were
32:14enjoying
32:15that enabled
32:16them to
32:16even afford
32:18health
32:18insurance
32:20and this
32:21is exactly
32:22what was
32:24predicted
32:24and just
32:26the beginning
32:26you know
32:28this is
32:29folks in
32:30Georgia
32:31and across
32:31the country
32:32who don't
32:33have health
32:33insurance
32:34anymore
32:34some of
32:35them
32:35in the
32:36middle
32:36of a
32:36cancer
32:37fight
32:37some of
32:38them
32:38fighting
32:39diabetes
32:40some of
32:40them
32:40already
32:41with
32:41surgery
32:42scheduled
32:42I'm
32:43hearing
32:43from my
32:44constituents
32:44who are
32:45in this
32:45position
32:45every
32:46single
32:47day
32:47their
32:47premiums
32:48have
32:48gone
32:48up
32:49100
32:50200
32:50percent
32:51and folks
32:52just
32:53can't
32:53afford
32:54it
32:54it
32:54is
32:54avoidable
32:56human
32:56suffering
32:57and illness
32:58and even
32:59death
32:59that's being
33:00imposed
33:01upon the
33:02country
33:02by
33:03republican
33:05politicians
33:05and the
33:06White House
33:06here in
33:07Washington
33:08and by
33:08the way
33:08all three
33:09of my
33:10opponents
33:10oppose
33:12extending
33:13these
33:14ACA
33:15tax credits
33:16now my
33:16prediction
33:17as the
33:18pain
33:18grows
33:19as the
33:19suffering
33:20becomes
33:21clearer
33:21and clearer
33:22all three
33:23of my
33:23opponents
33:24will
33:24reverse
33:25their
33:26opposition
33:26to
33:27extending
33:27these
33:28tax
33:28credits
33:28and a
33:29lot of
33:29republicans
33:30in congress
33:30will change
33:31their tune
33:31too
33:32but too
33:33late
33:34to prevent
33:34so much
33:35of the
33:35harm
33:35that's
33:35already
33:36been
33:36done
33:36we've
33:37seen
33:37that
33:37the
33:38house
33:38representatives
33:38where
33:38republicans
33:39who
33:39voted
33:40to
33:40inflict
33:41this
33:41harm
33:41are
33:42now
33:42trying
33:42some
33:42of
33:43them
33:43now
33:43trying
33:43to
33:43vote
33:44their
33:44way
33:44out
33:44of
33:45that
33:45problem
33:46what
33:47is
33:48your
33:48reaction
33:48when
33:48you
33:48see
33:49Donald
33:49Trump
33:50stumble
33:50over
33:50the
33:50word
33:51affordability
33:51every
33:52single
33:52time
33:53the
33:53speech
33:53writers
33:54put
33:54it
33:54in
33:54the
33:54teleprompter
33:55for
33:55him
33:55every
33:56single
33:56time
33:56he
33:57has
33:57to
33:57say
33:57it's
33:57a
33:58fake
33:58word
33:58that
33:59you
33:59Democrats
33:59got
34:00together
34:00and
34:01invented
34:01some
34:01fake
34:02word
34:02to
34:03describe
34:04what
34:04Americans
34:05are
34:05facing
34:05now
34:06he
34:07doesn't
34:07care
34:08what
34:08working
34:09class
34:10and
34:10middle
34:10class
34:10Americans
34:11are
34:12going
34:12through
34:12and
34:12he
34:12doesn't
34:13know
34:13there
34:13are
34:13some
34:13folks
34:14in
34:14the
34:14White
34:14House
34:14who
34:15recognize
34:15this
34:15as
34:15the
34:15political
34:16liability
34:16for
34:17him
34:17and
34:17are
34:17trying
34:17to
34:17get
34:17him
34:17to
34:18at
34:18least
34:19pay
34:19lip
34:19service
34:19to
34:19it
34:19but
34:20what
34:20Donald
34:20Trump
34:20care
34:21about
34:21above
34:21all
34:22Donald
34:22Trump
34:22cares
34:23about
34:23retribution
34:24Donald
34:25Trump
34:25cares
34:26about
34:26harassing
34:27and
34:28persecuting
34:29and
34:29punishing
34:30the
34:30people
34:30he
34:31believes
34:31to
34:32be
34:32his
34:32enemies
34:32and
34:33using
34:33the
34:34powers
34:34of
34:34state
34:35in
34:36order
34:36to
34:36manipulate
34:36people
34:37whether
34:37it's
34:37Jay
34:37Powell
34:38or
34:38members
34:39of
34:39the
34:39Senate
34:39he
34:39doesn't
34:40like
34:40or
34:40others
34:41who
34:41he
34:41views
34:41as
34:42his
34:42adversaries
34:43Senator
34:44John
34:44Ossoff
34:45thank you
34:45very much
34:46for joining
34:46us
34:46tonight
34:46thank
34:47you
34:48coming
34:49up
34:49the
34:50pressure
34:50Congressman
34:51O'Connor
34:51is
34:51putting
34:52on
34:53the
34:54Epstein
34:54files
34:55is
34:56working
34:56today
34:57a
34:57federal
34:57judge
34:58is
34:58demanding
34:58answers
34:59from
35:00the
35:00Trump
35:00Justice
35:01Department
35:01Congressman
35:01Connett
35:02joins
35:02us
35:02next
35:06as
35:07of
35:07tonight
35:07the
35:07Donald
35:08Trump
35:08control
35:08Justice
35:09Department
35:09has
35:09released
35:10less
35:10than
35:101%
35:11of
35:11the
35:11Epstein
35:12files
35:12department
35:13was
35:13required
35:14to
35:14release
35:15by
35:15law
35:1625
35:17days
35:17ago
35:18today
35:18U.S.
35:20Judge
35:20Paul
35:20Engelmeyer
35:21who
35:21presided
35:22over
35:22the
35:22criminal
35:23cases
35:23against
35:24Jeffrey
35:24Epstein
35:25and
35:25Ghislaine
35:26Maxwell
35:26ordered
35:27the
35:27Trump
35:28Justice
35:28Department
35:28to
35:28explain
35:29by
35:29Friday
35:30why
35:30they
35:31have
35:31released
35:32so
35:32little
35:32of
35:33the
35:33Epstein
35:33material
35:34the
35:34order
35:34also
35:35directs
35:35the
35:35Trump
35:35Justice
35:36Department
35:36to
35:36respond
35:37to
35:37Congressman
35:37Roe
35:38Kanna
35:38and
35:38Congressman
35:39Thomas
35:39Massey
35:40who
35:40are
35:40asking
35:40the
35:41judge
35:41to
35:41appoint
35:42a
35:42special
35:42master
35:43or
35:43an
35:43independent
35:44monitor
35:44to
35:45oversee
35:45the
35:45release
35:46of the
35:46entire
35:47Epstein
35:47files
35:48former
35:49President
35:49Bill Clinton
35:49and former
35:50Secretary
35:50of State
35:50Hillary
35:51Clinton
35:51have
35:51refused
35:52to comply
35:52with
35:52subpoenas
35:53to testify
35:54to the
35:54House
35:54Oversight
35:55Committee
35:55the New York
35:56Times
35:56is reporting
35:57that committee
35:58Chairman
35:58Republican
35:59James
35:59Comer
35:59quote
36:00said he
36:01would
36:01take steps
36:02to hold
36:02them
36:03in contempt
36:03of Congress
36:04joining
36:05joining
36:05now
36:05is
36:05Democratic
36:06Congressman
36:06Roe
36:06Conner
36:07California
36:07he's
36:07a
36:07member
36:08of
36:08the
36:08House
36:09Oversight
36:09Committee
36:10Congressman
36:10Conner
36:11thank you
36:11very much
36:11for joining
36:12us
36:12tonight
36:12you have
36:13gotten
36:14the judge's
36:14attention
36:15and he
36:15wants
36:16answers
36:16by
36:17Friday
36:18what are
36:18you
36:18expecting
36:18to hear
36:19from the
36:19Trump
36:19Justice
36:20Department
36:21well
36:22we were
36:22very
36:23pleased
36:23that
36:24Judge
36:24Engelmeyer
36:25issued
36:26the order
36:26today
36:27just
36:27two days
36:28after we
36:28sent
36:29the
36:29letter
36:29he
36:30was
36:30very
36:30clear
36:30he
36:31expects
36:32the
36:32Department
36:32of
36:33Justice
36:33to
36:33explain
36:34why
36:35they
36:35are
36:35hiding
36:37the
36:37documents
36:37they
36:37are
36:37and
36:38what
36:38their
36:38plan
36:38is
36:39to
36:39be
36:40in
36:40compliance
36:41with
36:41the
36:41Epstein
36:41Transparency
36:42Act
36:42he's
36:42also
36:43seriously
36:43considering
36:44appointing
36:45a
36:45special
36:46master
36:46who would
36:46review
36:47all the
36:47documents
36:47and
36:48he's
36:48asked
36:48the
36:49Department
36:49of
36:49Justice
36:50to
36:50brief
36:50that
36:50issue
36:51he's
36:51asked
36:51Thomas
36:52Massey
36:52and
36:52I
36:52to
36:53brief
36:53that
36:53issue
36:53which
36:54we
36:54will
36:54be
36:54doing
36:55and
36:55our
36:55brief
36:56will
36:56be
36:56due
36:56in
36:56the
36:56next
36:57couple
36:57weeks
36:57and
36:58the
36:59speed
36:59of
36:59a
36:59judge's
37:00response
37:00in
37:01a
37:01situation
37:01like
37:01this
37:02indicates
37:02that
37:03this
37:04judge
37:04thinks
37:05this
37:05is
37:05a
37:05valid
37:06point
37:07at
37:07least
37:07it
37:07doesn't
37:07tell
37:08us
37:08which
37:08way
37:08he's
37:08going
37:08to
37:09go
37:09but
37:09it
37:09certainly
37:09tells
37:10us
37:10that
37:10he
37:11thinks
37:11this
37:11is
37:11valid
37:11and
37:12important
37:13absolutely
37:14Lawrence
37:14look
37:14he could
37:15have
37:15just
37:15ignored
37:15this
37:16he's
37:16under
37:16no
37:17obligation
37:17to
37:18respond
37:19he
37:20could
37:20have
37:20sat
37:20on
37:20it
37:21he
37:21within
37:2224
37:22hours
37:23says
37:24I'm
37:24going
37:24to
37:24seriously
37:25consider
37:25this
37:25I
37:26want
37:26to
37:26hear
37:26the
37:26arguments
37:27I
37:27want
37:27to
37:27make
37:28sure
37:28that
37:29the
37:29Epstein
37:29Transparency
37:30Act
37:30is
37:30being
37:31complied
37:31with
37:31Department
37:32of
37:32Justice
37:32tell
37:32me
37:33what
37:33your
37:33plan
37:33is
37:33tell
37:34me
37:34whether
37:34this
37:34is
37:35a
37:35good
37:35idea
37:35or
37:35not
37:36and
37:36he's
37:36even
37:36graciously
37:37given
37:38Representative
37:39Massey
37:39and I
37:39the
37:40opportunity
37:40to
37:41make
37:41our
37:41case
37:42so
37:42so
37:42far
37:43he's
37:43conducted
37:43himself
37:43with great
37:44integrity
37:44and
37:45fairness
37:45and
37:46I
37:46do
37:46believe
37:47that
37:47he
37:48can
37:49really
37:49help
37:50solve
37:50this
37:51issue
37:51he
37:51can
37:51appoint
37:52someone
37:52who
37:53finally
37:53gets
37:54the
37:54files
37:55out
37:55and
37:55he
37:55can
37:55also
37:55direct
37:56the
37:56type
37:57of
37:57files
37:57we
37:57need
37:57out
37:58like
37:58the
37:58section
37:59302
37:59statements
38:00where
38:01the
38:01survivors
38:02have
38:02named
38:02other
38:03rich
38:03and
38:03powerful
38:03men
38:04who
38:04abused
38:04them
38:06should
38:06Bill
38:07and
38:07Hillary
38:07Clinton
38:08comply
38:08with
38:09the
38:09subpoenas
38:10to
38:10your
38:10committee
38:11well
38:12they
38:12should
38:13come
38:13before
38:13the
38:13committee
38:13but
38:14their
38:14point
38:14was
38:15in my
38:16view
38:16a fair
38:16one
38:17and
38:17what
38:17they
38:17are
38:17saying
38:17is
38:18one
38:18they
38:18want
38:19to
38:19testify
38:19publicly
38:20not
38:20behind
38:21closed
38:21doors
38:22and
38:22two
38:22there
38:23are
38:23all
38:23these
38:23other
38:23people
38:24that
38:24we
38:24should
38:24be
38:24calling
38:25people
38:26who
38:26are
38:26directly
38:27implicated
38:28with
38:28Epstein
38:29that
38:29we
38:30should
38:30be
38:30calling
38:30Pam
38:30Bondi
38:31before
38:31the
38:31committee
38:32who
38:32hasn't
38:32complied
38:33with
38:33the
38:33laws
38:33Bill
38:34Clinton
38:34was
38:34president
38:34in 1992
38:36and
38:37there
38:37other
38:37relevant
38:38people
38:38so
38:38my
38:39understanding
38:39is that
38:40they're
38:40open to
38:41coming
38:41they should
38:42come
38:42but this
38:43cannot
38:43become a
38:44witch hunt
38:45for the
38:46Clintons
38:46it needs
38:46to be
38:47about the
38:47survivors
38:48and justice
38:49what are
38:50these next
38:51steps for
38:51you
38:52in the
38:52committee
38:53in terms
38:54of the
38:54investigation
38:55the committee
38:55is conducting
38:57well
38:57we just
38:58got
38:59the
39:00estate
39:01accountant
39:02and
39:02lawyers
39:03subpoena
39:03that was
39:04a big
39:04deal
39:05I want
39:05to credit
39:06ranking
39:06member Garcia
39:07and the
39:07entire
39:08committee
39:08for doing
39:08that
39:09and so
39:10they will
39:10be coming
39:11before the
39:12committee
39:12we're still
39:12getting
39:13documents
39:14from the
39:14Epstein
39:15estate
39:15and the
39:16committee
39:16is going
39:17to continue
39:17to put
39:17pressure
39:18on the
39:18justice
39:18department
39:19I heard
39:20the earlier
39:20segment
39:21about
39:21chair
39:22Whitehouse
39:23when we
39:23take back
39:24the senate
39:24well
39:24we're going
39:24to have
39:25chair
39:25Garcia
39:25when we
39:26take back
39:26the house
39:27and those
39:28people in the
39:28justice
39:28department
39:29who are
39:30not
39:30complying
39:31are going
39:32to face
39:32a new
39:34oversight
39:34committee
39:35and so
39:36it is very
39:36very important
39:37for people
39:37at the
39:38justice department
39:38to understand
39:39they have a
39:40legal obligation
39:41to comply
39:42and this is
39:42going to be
39:43a huge
39:43priority
39:43for the
39:44oversight
39:44committee
39:44when we're
39:45in the
39:45majority
39:46Carson
39:47Rochano
39:47thank you
39:48very much
39:48for joining
39:49us tonight
39:49thank you
39:51we'll be
39:52right back
39:53thank you
39:54for joining
39:54thank you
39:54thank you
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