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The First 48 - Season 29 - Episode 15: The Devil's Hand
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00:01This program documents actual homicide investigations.
00:05Criminal charges are often dropped or reduced,
00:07and all suspects shown are presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
00:22To be continued...
00:40Her sister, I believe.
00:43Their dogs were barking all day.
00:44They were like, I guess it was because of this.
00:49She's cold.
00:50There's blood everywhere.
00:52I think she's been murdered.
00:53We have help off the way.
00:55OK, thank you, ma'am.
01:04Quick out, police!
01:10There's blood everywhere.
01:14Pretty brutal.
01:17A whole bunch of settlers.
01:19There's blood on the bear as well.
01:23A female pretty much stabbed to death.
01:26And she is clearly 48.
01:30Eight of hours she's been there.
01:33Body's very cold.
01:35Homicide en route.
01:38I want to do this to somebody.
01:50For homicide detectives, their chance of solving a murder
01:54is cut in half if they don't get a lead
01:57within the first 48 hours.
02:12Howdy.
02:13How are you guys?
02:19The victims?
02:20Ana Karen.
02:2424-year-old Ana Karen Ramos-Hernandez
02:27was born in Cuernavaca, Mexico,
02:29and moved to the United States when she was 10.
02:33Since graduating high school, Karen worked as a house painter
02:36and was learning how to do home renovation.
02:39She enjoyed spending her free time with her four nieces,
02:42two cats, and two dogs.
02:53Karen was stabbed her arms, her face.
02:57Like, a lot of chest stuff as well.
03:00This was definitely, somebody was going after her.
03:05Karen was stabbed over 40 times.
03:09I've never seen one with that many days.
03:13In the bedroom, feeling her turn to the right of the bed
03:16and there's a lot of big pool of blood on the bed.
03:20And there's a lot of stuff above the headboard.
03:25We think she's probably been here since last night.
03:28There's no forced entrance from the door.
03:33There's two bloody fingerprints on the entrance door.
03:40We haven't located the knife.
03:42No.
03:45The victim's sister, last contact with the victim,
03:48was last night.
03:49She gets here and she immediately finds her sister like that.
03:55So I call her sister.
03:56Well.
04:07Ayer, the last time I talked to her,
04:09it was at 8 o'clock.
04:12And I sent her memes of the night
04:15and she said, I'm going to leave her tomorrow.
04:17So I left her.
04:18And in the morning, when I woke up at 7 o'clock,
04:20I called her and said,
04:22I told her, she said,
04:22I'm going to sleep.
04:23She said, she's sleeping.
04:27Right.
04:28She said, she'll leave her, check the phone.
04:33No.
04:35No, no.
04:39No.
04:40No, no, no.
04:47No.
04:49No.
04:52No, no.
04:54No.
04:54No.
04:54No, no.
04:54No, no.
04:54No.
05:05Karen's sister says that until recently, Karen had lived with her longtime boyfriend, Sebastian
05:11Omania Torres.
05:24Karen's sister says that she had with him.
05:26Karen's sister says that she was very wise.
05:28She likes the motorcycle and others.
05:31I often say, I don't like it, I don't like it.
05:35But she was 12 with him.
05:39And she was with her before?
05:43She only two times told me that he tried to hit her and she returned to her.
05:51Did she call the police?
05:52Yeah.
05:57She says she called Sebastian's father after discovering Karen's body.
06:12Sebastian's father told her his son moved in with him four days ago.
06:26She says Sebastian's father is on his way to the scene.
06:31I don't know if we can't do it, but I can't do it.
06:34I can't do it.
06:38I can't do it.
06:47I want to call the camera.
06:49Should have been able to see who's coming and going.
06:53Detective David Early talks to Karen's neighbor.
06:58Hey, this is Detective Early.
07:00Good night, PD.
07:01Does this thing work?
07:02Yes.
07:02Do you mind if I kind of look back and see if we can't see what happened?
07:08Motion clips.
07:1312 to 16 and this dude walking real, real slow up that direction.
07:20Like sneaking up the steps.
07:23Like what's he called slating here?
07:31He comes out kind of in a hurry, pulling the hood over his face.
07:37Thank you, sir.
07:39Okay.
07:50Sebastian's father arrives to talk to detectives.
07:54How did you talk to Sebastian?
07:56Today.
07:58What was that?
08:00He called me.
08:01Father, how are you?
08:03I asked him.
08:05Where are you?
08:06He told me.
08:07Father, I got a job here in Miami.
08:10Father, I'm thinking of going.
08:12Because the truth is nothing.
08:17I don't know.
08:18Because you're weird with me.
08:22I'm thinking of going.
08:24I'm thinking of you.
08:25I'm thinking of you.
08:25Okay, my decision is your.
08:29And he was working with you ayer?
08:32Yes.
08:33Okay.
08:35You're thinking of me.
08:37Okay, my decision is your.
08:40Okay, my decision is your.
08:40And he was working with you ayer?
08:47Yes.
08:48and then he was very dry and it was like if he had consumed something.
08:55He began to tell me some messages.
08:59When he came, he began to tell me because he approached me to tell me
09:03as if I was the culpable, as if I was always, always.
09:09From always, from always.
09:12Even from Colombia and everything,
09:16that he was going to kill me,
09:18that he was going to take care of me and that I don't know what.
09:23Do you know who was your son?
09:27I have understood that Karen had that voice blanca
09:36and the relationship with him and Karen,
09:39I mean, no, no, no, no is good.
09:43Nunca, he always has his fault.
09:47And Karen was already tired.
09:51And he didn't want to work anymore.
09:54He was like this, he was like this.
09:57So Karen always collaborated with a lot.
10:05I always told Karen, Karen, please,
10:08look, get out of her, get out of her.
10:12Do you know this person in this photo?
10:37No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:42No, no, et cetera, que pueda colaborar más.
10:45O sea, con el dolor del alma,
10:48yo tenía hablando con él y, o sea.
10:53Si lo hizo...
10:56¿Qué asumo sus consecuencias?
11:11the white suv hit a flock camera in south georgia near valdosta at 6 p.m this evening
11:21karen's explorer was spotted leaving the state heading south
11:27does that think that he got the means to get back to columpia
11:33check flights from miami to columpia today see if there's anything
11:39i believe that we're at pc already for an arrest warrant for the suspect
11:44headed back to headquarters to work on that arrest warrant
11:57that's him
12:0026 year old kurt sebastian omania torres
12:03has no prior convictions sebastian's originally from colombia that could be a potential location
12:11where he would want to flee
12:14miami to fly over to colombia would be really easy
12:18a lot of international flights come out of miami to south america
12:22he left the state he has a day ahead of us
12:27we're having the u.s marshals to go ahead and try to come down marshals you have a lot more
12:33resources
12:34to locate suspects
12:56two days later
13:12the vehicle's empty he's going to be inside
13:17hey who came in that white explorer
13:20in the bathroom
13:23you in the bathroom step out it's when that police
13:27yeah let me see your hands step out
13:29both hands step up hey step out
13:34come here
13:37can you confirm his name
13:39can you confirm your name
13:40come on that door
13:42this is a mess of the way to stab him
13:44murder hurts
13:48he goes to 35
13:58karen's live ford explorer had hit on our license plate reading cameras around 11 o'clock
14:03we got information from the father kurt had returned home and then he he left and said that he was
14:09going to go to a gas station
14:12that video is definitely this guy the video they said it does
14:16you can see the little shave on the side
14:19mm-hmm
14:20okay
14:28the light
14:29the light
14:29the light
14:30the light
14:30the light
14:32No, no creo que lo que pasa es que, mira, yo salí a huir porque lo que pasa es que
14:41yo me siento como en una amenaza.
14:46Esa chica.
14:48¿Quién es la niña?
14:51Mi ex.
14:52¿Cómo se llama ella?
14:53Ana Karen.
14:56¿Y cómo fue la relación de ustedes?
14:59Al comienzo fue muy linda.
15:03¿Tú la dejaste a ella o ella te dejó a ti?
15:05Yo me fui, yo me fui.
15:07Yo ya ni vivía con ella.
15:11Mira, yo miré las noticias y la verdad es que me da rabia porque así no fueron las cosas.
15:18Ok, si me pueden explicar qué pasó.
15:22Mira, yo vivía con ella hace como unos cuatro años.
15:26Ok.
15:27Nos empezamos como a entender bien.
15:30Yo decidí yo irme a vivir con mi papá.
15:34Ok.
15:35¿Y dónde estabas el viernes?
15:37Yo estaba haciendo DoorDash porque yo hago DoorDash.
15:42Ok.
15:42Entonces el viernes tú estás haciendo DoorDash.
15:45¿A qué hora te llegaste y regresaste a la casa?
15:49Como a las...
15:52diez.
15:53Sí.
15:56La historia que tú estás haciendo DoorDash, que tú no estabas ahí.
16:01Podemos ver dentro de tu celular para ver igual eso.
16:05O sea, es más fácil así.
16:08No, lo que pasa es que yo la quité todo.
16:13Y no decidí hacer, seguir haciendo.
16:16Porque en mis planes era conocer el mar.
16:19Y pues ya tenía un poquito de dinero, la camioneta que estaba rentando yo, que es de ella.
16:27Me fui.
16:28¿Para dónde?
16:29Para Florida.
16:31¿Por qué te fuiste a Florida?
16:34Solo para pasear.
16:36Pues tenía unos 500, 600 dólares.
16:39Y después quería...
16:41Pero después ya...
16:42Ví todo en Facebook.
16:44Me empecé a preocupar.
16:46Empecé a pensar cosas.
16:51Ok.
16:52Damos un segundo ámbulo.
16:53Ok.
17:00Show him going to her house.
17:02For y'all to say, we can clearly see your face.
17:05And your mask is off.
17:06Be like, dude, we knew you were there.
17:08And then I put pictures of her in there.
17:12I say we start playing the...
17:14Playing that relationship first.
17:16Why they split.
17:17How that went.
17:18Kind of getting him in that mind state.
17:23Why they split it down.
17:26And they just, what happened?
17:33To learn from friends to friends to friends.
17:38Because if you were working with him, what happened?
17:44I did not know.
17:46What happened?
17:46Wow.
17:49It was a very violent person.
17:53and food, and so on, and things that if I could tell them,
18:02they'd say they're crazy, but it's the truth.
18:04By the way, the witchcraft can control people.
18:13Detectives show Sebastian crime scene photos
18:16of Karen's body.
18:18F*** man. Oh my goodness.
18:26I want to show you a photo,
18:28to see if you can help me to explain this.
18:34This is a photo of a video,
18:37but the whole video shows you the face of you.
18:43Because you go by here.
18:51I want to show you the face of God.
18:54I want to show you the face of God.
19:09I want to show you the face of God.
19:17I know that it's going to be difficult,
19:19but the only way God can help you if you tell the truth.
19:25I want to show you the face of God.
19:29I want to show you the face of God.
19:37I want to show you the face of God.
19:42I want to show you the face of God...
19:48Do you want to?
19:50I promise you the face of God?
19:59Of you?
20:00I'm going to die.
20:04I'm going to die.
20:05I'm going to die.
20:08I'm going to die.
20:10I'm going to die.
20:10Where did she go?
20:13She was there.
20:15There was a TV.
20:17Where did she go?
20:19She was on TV.
20:21What happened?
20:23It hurts.
20:24It hurts.
20:27It hurts.
20:28I'm going to die.
20:31I'm going to die.
20:33I'm going to die.
20:34Did she kill you?
20:36Yes.
20:39Did she tell you something?
20:40When you were watching.
20:43Give me a kiss.
20:44Give me a kiss.
20:52It hurts.
20:54It hurts.
20:54I'm going to die.
20:57I'm going to die.
20:58I'm going to die.
21:04I'm going to die.
21:05I'm going to die.
21:06I'm going to die.
21:07I'm going to die.
21:07OK?
21:12He doesn't take off the mask until he's walking down the stairs from the apartment.
21:17So I believe he had his mask on the entire time.
21:24I think he's just full of it.
21:26The kiss.
21:27I think it's just all to try to make himself feel better.
21:31I think it was probably a lot of revenge and anger in there.
21:34And for all we know, I mean, she dumped him and he wasn't having it.
21:39But unfortunately, I do see this a lot when it comes to domestics and the stabbing being the injuries.
21:46There's always a lot of rage and emotion behind it.
21:51And his mind thinks that she still loved him all the way to the end.
22:22Six months after Karen's death.
22:27I'm giving them the pictures.
22:29My sister was one of her favorites.
22:33My relationship with Karen was very close.
22:39We were always together.
22:41We were always together.
22:42Or with her siblings.
22:46She was very close to my daughters, her siblings.
22:53Here for a couple of years, it was like a surprise.
22:56This was when she was 22 years old.
23:01She was very close to me.
23:02I loved them to do much work because I loved them, too.
23:07I loved them to do new peinage.
23:11And finally, I was gonna have to remove them.
23:21Mi mamá me falleció, y a los seis meses falleció mi hermana.
23:28Y sí, es un fuerte golpe.
23:32Llevar todo, todo eso, toda esa idea
23:39de que se me fueron las personas especiales.
24:07¿Qué es lo que usted dice?
24:10Ok.
24:11¿Qué es lo que usted dice?
24:16Oh, my God.
24:17Oh, 2027.
24:19Oh, my God.
24:20Damn, dude.
24:25Oh, my God.
24:30Oh, come on, please.
24:34I'm up on 9-1-1.
24:36A dude shot into someone's car.
24:38It was two people inside the vehicle, and he shot into the car.
24:42And I think the two people are dead.
24:45I'm up on 9-1-1.
25:02What's up?
25:03What's up?
25:05The car back up and hit the tree?
25:08Chevy Malibu?
25:10Yeah.
25:12Y'all need a vehicle left, mate?
25:14Robber.
25:16Camden.
25:17Dorch.
25:17Jackson.
25:2125-year-old Camden Jackson worked at a local Winn-Dixie and part-time for his uncle's painting business.
25:29Camden's first child was due in seven months.
25:36Who's the head?
25:38Camden was shot eight times.
25:43The passenger, Devontae Kennedy.
25:5026-year-old Van Kennedy IV was the youngest of three and loved to spend time with his young nieces
25:56and nephews.
25:58He recently graduated Fortis College for heating and air conditioning.
26:04The light cheek, the left neck, left behind the ear, and the left shoulder.
26:12Van was shot nine times.
26:15All we know is that the car was in, it's here.
26:19Right here.
26:20Somewhere in the street.
26:24Along the road and sidewalk, detectives find 25 9-millimeter keysings.
26:30When he pulled up and started shooting, they tried to ram, go forward, and then couldn't get out, so they
26:36backed up.
26:38Collected two .40 caliber guns from within the vehicle.
26:42You see the blood pull from his finger?
26:45The gun was laying right there.
26:49Shield casings inside the car.
26:53They find eight .40 caliber casings in the front.
27:00And two 9-millimeter casings in the back.
27:05Widows.
27:05Shattered.
27:07A bloody palm print on the driver's side rear exterior door.
27:14Someone ran up to the car like this and braced.
27:17And they fired more than 50 casings in there.
27:21That's f***ing crazy, dude.
27:25Maybe our suspect was shot.
27:27It could be his blood.
27:30Walked up and fired more shots inside of the car.
27:34I just want to know from the shooter why, you know?
27:46So, just tell me what you were doing and what happened.
27:50Lieutenant Stan Ladnere interviews the 911 caller who was working at the nearby drugstore.
28:08She says the man was shooting into the victim's Chevy Malibu.
28:13I don't know if they were shooting back at him or what.
28:15But I seen him ducking a couple of times.
28:18That's when the car rolled.
28:20You seen the car rolling.
28:21And as that car hit the curb, it started shooting again in the car on the drive side.
28:26She says the shooter then ran back to his gray SUV and drove away.
28:32He got back in the car.
28:34Where did the car go?
28:35Straight up, Fortify.
28:37Okay.
28:38All right.
28:39I appreciate it.
28:40You're welcome.
28:42So, the information about the gray SUV was passed on to patrol.
28:46Anyone else?
28:47Any witnesses?
28:48The girl that's in the Joker shirt over there.
28:52Okay.
28:57Okay.
29:02Okay.
29:03Now, tell me what happened.
29:05I was coming to the car about to get my medicine.
29:09The dude who hopped out on SUV, he was shooting at this car.
29:15He had on, like, some blue, like, some pens.
29:18They're, like, blue jeans or something.
29:20And he had on, like, a jet, like, green.
29:24What his hat was like?
29:25He had a bald head.
29:27A high tall.
29:29Like, fine, fine.
29:31What's his complexion?
29:33Dark skin, light skin.
29:34He's, like, a little brighter than you.
29:37And just only one guy got...
29:39Yes, man.
29:40One guy got that.
29:41Was he the passenger or the driver?
29:43No.
29:43He was the driver.
29:45All right.
29:51Why was he so pissed off about it for you to get at your car
29:55and then come over and try to finish it up?
30:05I think we got family walking over to the side.
30:09This is the mom, Camden.
30:12We'll talk to mom.
30:18How did y'all know of the company?
30:21The young lady.
30:23Camden's mother says a friend of Camden
30:25called her with the news.
30:27She called my phone,
30:28and typically she don't call my phone.
30:30Yes, ma'am.
30:31And I said, hello.
30:33And she said, um, Miss Carmen, are you at work?
30:36I said, yes, ma'am.
30:38She said, I need you to step outside.
30:41I said, okay.
30:42So I stepped outside my job.
30:45I said, what's going on?
30:47And she told me that my baby was dead.
30:52She's saying anything about that she knew about what happened
30:55or what could have caused it or anything like that.
30:59You know, if he was beefing with anybody or?
31:02I don't really know the guy's real name.
31:04They call him Jamrock.
31:06Well, I guess back in October,
31:08they were saying that Jamrock broke him from my home.
31:12Camden.
31:13He had told me that they had been exchanging words back and forth
31:16about what he was going to do for them and stuff like that.
31:20We're working on it.
31:21You'll be the first person, once someone is arrested,
31:24we will call you first.
31:26If you receive information about someone saying this is who did it
31:29or anything like that, of course, give me a phone call.
31:33All right, thank y'all.
31:41Then...
31:41There's a guy at the hospital.
31:44A hospital near the crime scene
31:46has admitted a black male patient
31:48who walked in with a gunshot wound.
31:51Jack bald head like everybody out here is described.
31:54They got the camera in front of the hospital.
32:00That's nice.
32:19So he actually is shot.
32:22The man has a laceration wound
32:23across the back of the head.
32:26It's not like threatening.
32:28And it's dropped off in a black Monte Carlo.
32:34They got to figure out who he dropped his truck off.
32:37The NICU going to the hospital.
32:47As the team wraps up the scene...
32:49See, they found the NICU.
32:52It's both like an SUV.
32:55Officers find a gray SUV
32:57matching the description of the suspect vehicle
32:59a half mile away.
33:01Found it abandoned at 315 Avenue.
33:06That's some pretty stuff.
33:08It's got to be.
33:10Patrol should be over there
33:11and they're going to stand by
33:12until we can all make it over there.
33:15All right, I'll head over there.
33:16Hey.
33:23They're at abandoned house.
33:25Great job.
33:31Oh, wow.
33:33Kiki, check this out.
33:34Cut out a jackpot.
33:39The guy this comes back to
33:41is at the hospital.
33:43Blood on the vehicle.
33:45On the driver's side.
33:49You can tell by the laminate on the glass.
33:52It was pointing inward,
33:53so it would have been
33:53the force of the bullet
33:54going into the windshield.
33:58It looks like he was shot
33:59while he was inside of the car.
34:04That gun's still in the car.
34:05We're going to have to get
34:06a search warrant.
34:08This is going to be our SUV
34:10that he pretty much stashed.
34:13Parked the car here,
34:14got out,
34:14walked away in,
34:16probably found someone to take him.
34:20At least we have a possible suspect.
34:22You know,
34:23hopefully he can give us our why.
34:26Let's see what we got.
34:27We got the hospital.
34:36Hey, man.
34:37What's your name?
34:40Sergeant Nick Cropot
34:42interviews the suspect.
34:44So what happened to you, man?
34:47I pulled up on the inside of you.
34:49Huh?
34:50Where'd that happen at?
34:52Among the people.
34:54The street he names
34:55runs through the intersection
34:57of the crime scene.
34:58So were you in a vehicle
35:00or on foot or?
35:01No, it was in my car.
35:03Gotcha.
35:05What kind of car you got?
35:07Volkswagen.
35:09Volkswagen?
35:10What color is that?
35:12Green.
35:14What happened?
35:16I was excited.
35:19Did you shoot back or anything?
35:21Did you have a gun?
35:22No.
35:23Did you see what kind of car
35:25they were in?
35:26Mm-hmm.
35:27We got to stop in here.
35:29So where's your car at right now?
35:32I don't know.
35:34How did you get here?
35:36I'm out of person.
35:37I'm out of person.
35:38You know,
35:39let's see the blood
35:40come out of the hood.
35:42I'm a little out there, right?
35:44I'll be able to give you
35:45a full statement.
35:47I'll be able,
35:47I mean,
35:48I ain't trying to knock
35:49what I'm away with you.
35:51All right.
35:52Hang tight, man, all right?
35:54All right.
36:01Two hours later,
36:04the suspect is brought
36:05to headquarters.
36:07I think this is our guy.
36:09I think we do have enough
36:10for a murder.
36:12This guy drove his vehicle
36:14away from the scene,
36:15parked it at another location.
36:19I think what I want to know
36:20is what's the history
36:21behind these two guys.
36:25I'm looking at,
36:26trying to find someone
36:27from James David Wilson.
36:32James David Wilson IV
36:34is 38 years old.
36:39He was already arrested
36:41for murder before.
36:44Yeah.
36:46Said he pled guilty
36:47for a murder.
36:49That's crazy.
36:51Back in 2007.
36:542291 St. Stephen's Road.
36:57The previous incident
36:58occurred less than
36:59a block away
37:00from the shooting
37:01this afternoon.
37:03Double homicide
37:04with James Wilson
37:05back in 2007
37:06happened here.
37:08The double homicide
37:09with Camden
37:10and Van Kennedy
37:11is here.
37:13Directly right across
37:15the street from here.
37:17it's crazy.
37:19Wilson served five years
37:21and was released
37:22ten years ago.
37:24Hopefully he talks well.
37:28All right.
37:29Let's go talk to him.
37:46What's up, man?
37:47Let me kiss this chair
37:47right here real quick.
37:55Oh, my dad ain't here.
37:56I ain't got nothing to say.
38:01I had my handcuff.
38:02I got shot in the head, man.
38:03I'm up here handcuffed.
38:05Y'all treat me like
38:06I'm a person.
38:11All right.
38:11Give me a second, man.
38:12Call your pop.
38:22Hey, uh, Mr. Wilson.
38:23Hey, uh, we're out here
38:24talking to your son,
38:25and he said, uh,
38:26he want to talk to us,
38:27but he wants you
38:28to be here with him.
38:30He's here at headquarters
38:31for our investigation.
38:32You want to come down here?
38:35All right.
38:37He's going to be on his way.
38:44Yes, sir.
38:45Yes, sir.
38:47James's father
38:48arrives with an attorney.
38:57He knows what happened.
38:59I mean, if he want to talk to us
39:00and tell us his version
39:02about what happened,
39:03maybe we can sit down
39:04and do that.
39:16He can tell us
39:17to kick rocks all day long.
39:18He can kick right
39:19at the Metro jail.
39:21Call the DA's office
39:22and see what they got to say.
39:27Hey.
39:29Rogers lays out
39:30the evidence to the DA.
39:35OK.
39:36All right.
39:36Appreciate it.
39:39The, uh,
39:40ADA approved, uh,
39:41the charges of, uh,
39:42two counts of murder
39:43and two counts of shooting
39:45to the occupied vehicle.
39:48So, uh,
39:49that's good.
39:50We can get him
39:51to, uh, Metro jail.
40:06Hello?
40:07Hey, Mr. Jackson.
40:09Uh-huh.
40:09Hey, this is Detective Rogers.
40:11Yes.
40:12Hey, uh,
40:12I'll just call him
40:13to tell you that, uh,
40:14we made an arrest
40:14on your son's case.
40:17Thank you so much.
40:20The person
40:21that was responsible
40:22was, um,
40:23James Wilson.
40:25That's the only individual?
40:27Yes, ma'am.
40:29I, I really
40:30appreciate that so much.
40:32You're welcome.
40:33OK.
40:34Bye.
40:34Bye.
40:39Hello?
40:40Hey, Mrs., uh,
40:41Williams?
40:42Yes.
40:43OK.
40:43Van's mom?
40:45Uh, I was calling
40:47to tell you
40:47that, uh,
40:47we made an arrest
40:48on your son's case.
40:50Oh, you did?
40:51That's great.
40:53Why is,
40:53why is that you do it?
40:56We don't know
40:56exactly why he did it.
40:59OK.
41:00All right.
41:01All right.
41:02All right.
41:03All right.
41:06The, the toughest part
41:07is to tell them
41:08that they're, you know,
41:10that their loved one
41:10is deceased.
41:11Um, you know,
41:13the better part
41:14of, of this
41:15is telling them
41:16that, you know,
41:17we actually made an arrest.
41:18You know,
41:19so they don't,
41:19they don't have to have
41:20those sleepless nights
41:21wondering, you know,
41:23who killed their loved one,
41:24who killed their child.
41:38four years later.
41:41We learned that
41:42Jim Rock
41:43is James Wilson.
41:45He confirmed
41:46there was beef
41:47with Camden
41:48and, uh,
41:49James.
41:50We went to trial.
41:51The defense attorneys
41:52were attempting
41:53to say that it was
41:54self-defense.
41:55But because James Wilson
41:56was convicted
41:57of a double homicide
41:5915 years prior,
42:00he had a duty
42:01to retreat.
42:02He didn't do so.
42:04He exited his vehicle
42:05and executed
42:06both of our victims
42:07that were inside
42:07their vehicle.
42:10That area
42:11in Tomoville
42:11is a, pretty much
42:12a busy intersection.
42:13For you to have a,
42:15uh, shootout
42:16during that time,
42:18during,
42:18during daytime,
42:19it showed that
42:20you don't care.
42:22But James Wilson
42:24was found guilty
42:25of capital murder.
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