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The K&C Masterpiece debated whether Jamie Benn will return for another season, if the Stars got a better outcome by sticking with Jake Oettinger compared to other playoff goalies, and how different roster scenarios stack up in the 1st edition of Dallas Stars Overreaction or Reality.
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00:00This past Thursday, Barenix, stop it. Dallas Stars overreaction to reality. This past Thursday should be the final game Jamie
00:11Benn has played for the Stars.
00:13I believe so. It didn't look like a good product on the ice. There were some moments of just, what?
00:23And that's not how you want to remember Jamie Benn.
00:25Now, unfortunately, that might be the last play we get from him.
00:29Right. Is that, that feeling of that. But I think it should be, especially if you're looking to be a
00:36better team.
00:37He has a lot of cachet with the team and the fans and everything. But can a better player or
00:44two be on that line and maybe get more production out of that line?
00:50And that's the question that Jim Neal has to answer this offseason.
00:54Alec, what say you?
00:56Reality, it should be. The Benissance is fun while it lasted because we simply did not expect much because we
01:06were kind of having the same conversation this time last year.
01:09So whenever you saw some of those flashes of vintage Ben, you're like, oh, cool.
01:15You know, wasn't really expecting much.
01:16So it's fun because you were forced to watch it.
01:20It doesn't mean I agreed with it.
01:22It doesn't mean that I wanted it to happen.
01:25There's just so many. It feels like every veteran or young player that you have tied up long term, they
01:31have no movement clauses as well.
01:33So I kind of just want to clean out whatever I can clean out easily and try to supplement from
01:40there.
01:40And he's one of the most expendable pieces.
01:43Dallas Stars overreaction or reality, whether Ben returns or not, the Stars must have a new captain next season.
01:51Uh, yeah. Reality. I mean, if we're moving on from Ben...
01:55Even if we're not.
01:56If we're not moving on from Ben, it's not going to happen.
01:58But reality is...
01:59Doesn't that seem like a bad idea?
02:00Uh, yeah, but...
02:02It's just the... that's kind of the way hockey is.
02:05You know, they're just very traditionalist in that manner.
02:09Or they're just like, well, we're going to keep this thing going as long as it can.
02:12Because they want that dude to win with the sea on his chest.
02:17Yes.
02:18But I agree with you, but that's mostly because I think he should not be on the skates next year.
02:24Alec?
02:25What say you?
02:27Another reality.
02:28It's got to be somebody else because whenever...
02:31It's just got to be disheartening for any fan base when you're talking about in a playoff run,
02:37somebody that should be a healthy scratch being your captain.
02:39Yes.
02:40Alec, too, didn't you hear?
02:41We heard...
02:42Now, we heard from Robert Tiffin last week.
02:44Like, Minnesota was goading him into fighting them.
02:48Goading him into...
02:49Let's charge it up.
02:51And then he said no.
02:52Yeah, that is pretty wild.
02:54And when you need that injection from somebody, it's got to be that guy.
02:59And if that's all you can offer at the time, then that's got to be the thing.
03:02Especially if you're putting yourself in the penalty box for other dumb things.
03:06Might as well go in for fighting.
03:09And when you can't do, find a way to contribute.
03:12And he couldn't.
03:13What were reaction or reality the Stars can win a Stanley Cup with Jake Ottinger as their primary goalie?
03:23I think that's reality.
03:24I think it's reality.
03:26Okay.
03:26We've seen him at what we thought was his best.
03:31And it's really good.
03:32Is that still there?
03:34That's the thing that I just don't know.
03:37But I do think that it's a reality because I think he's got the talent to do it.
03:41The sharpness just faded this year.
03:43And I think that what he said after the season, I didn't accomplish any of my goals.
03:48That's frustrating to hear.
03:50But I think that he needs to now go on a journey, if you will, Kevin.
03:56A vision quest, perhaps?
03:57A vision quest.
03:58That's a good one.
04:00He needs to go really take a deep soul search and say, why did I let not being the Team
04:06USA goalie affect me so much?
04:09Okay.
04:09That should have been a forced driver rather than something that put him down.
04:13Oh, you think it was a limiter instead?
04:15I thought it was.
04:16Oh, fascinating.
04:16I think it was something that he was...
04:18I think for a section of the season, it was bam.
04:21And then the other part was, he just kind of...
04:25Well, now that the Olympics are over and those fluky goals were still getting through, I thought it was a
04:30problem for him.
04:32All right.
04:32Alec, overreaction or reality?
04:34The Stars can win a Stanley Cup with Jake Ottinger as their primary goalie.
04:398.93 save percentage in this series.
04:422.83 goals against.
04:45Reality, I think they can.
04:46Man, I've seen teams win cups with good goalies before.
04:51You know, everybody...
04:52In playoffs, you always get way more critical about your goaltending because, of course, it's the easiest thing to point
04:59out.
04:59They should give up zero.
05:00Yes, they always should.
05:01Every single playoff game, they should pitch a shutout because that's how it works in the NHL.
05:06No, it's not.
05:06I've seen it happen with okay goalies.
05:09I like what Corey's saying because I think his quote today about how he didn't accomplish his goals,
05:15and he mentioned the Team USA thing.
05:17For Jason Robertson, it didn't seem to bother him.
05:20Yeah, that seemed to be the one where he was like, I'll show you.
05:23Yeah.
05:23But also, he's in contract season.
05:25True.
05:26And I don't think he was the reason his coach got fired.
05:28Oh, yeah.
05:29I agree with that.
05:30Yeah, so I think that that's something that should motivate you going forward.
05:34And you say, how about I go get a Vezna instead?
05:36Yeah.
05:36You know, like, and I prove you wrong in this situation.
05:39That just seemed to slow him down.
05:41So whatever is like two steps below whatever Aaron Rodgers decided to do a couple years ago,
05:46that darkness retreat, whatever is like two steps below that, let's do something like that.
05:51Reset.
05:52We need to go into next season just with different goals, honestly, because if your goals are just
05:58going to beat yourself up throughout the season, we need to take a different mental approach.
06:02So as long as the brain works, we love that phrase around here now, as long as that's intact,
06:07you can, he just needs to tune that and get honed in on the mental side of it again.
06:13I believe this is the 13th season that they have done it this way.
06:18But overreaction to reality, the NHL should change its playoff format prior to next season.
06:24As much as us fans think that, there's no way the dude who's running the league does.
06:29I think you're probably right.
06:30He loves the idea that you are getting maybe now what he would have loved more is more game sevens
06:37in this first round between two.
06:40Why couldn't he get as many as the NBA?
06:41Yeah, that's like that's what he ultimately wants is for game sevens to exist between two really good teams.
06:47A wild and a wild and stars game seven that long of a series.
06:52It's going to keep people tuned in longer.
06:54I understand why he's doing it.
06:56He's doing it because ratings drive the money in their business.
06:59Don't you think if they keep scoring 15 goals per game that the wild and avalanche series will drive people?
07:05For sure.
07:06They'll be like, oh my gosh, the sport's changing.
07:08That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.
07:10They made the net bigger?
07:11But yeah, I think that fans don't want it.
07:15And we've been in the unfortunate situation of it.
07:18It's worn us out every time.
07:19Our path has been so difficult because we're not in the right division.
07:23We have a stacked group there.
07:26It's really tough.
07:27But I don't think it's going to change anytime soon, Kevin.
07:29Alec, NHL should change its playoff format prior to next season.
07:35Reality, they should.
07:36And it's unfortunate that they're not going to.
07:39They're not even going to blink about it because that's one thing that they really do have over the other
07:45leagues right now.
07:46They can say from the moment the postseason starts, you're getting chaos.
07:50You're getting best on best the moment it starts.
07:54You can't really get that because in the NFL, you're going to have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you know, hobbling
07:59in with eight wins, you know, in a playoff game.
08:02And they're going to lose by two and a half possessions.
08:04You're going to see that in NBA basketball.
08:07We've seen some awful playoff games already this season.
08:10The NHL loves that.
08:12They want that high octane energy and they want chaos and they want upset.
08:17You know, they want people to be mad after the first week of the playoffs, which sounds counterintuitive, but it
08:24drives ratings and it gets conversation going.
08:26So it's going to stay that way.
08:28Dallas Stars overreaction or reality?
08:30Glenn Gullitson is the right coach for this franchise.
08:34Now two and eight in the playoffs.
08:36Overreaction.
08:37Maybe one day he'll prove me wrong on this, but I thought things were kind of weird this year.
08:43There were some moments that I was like, he navigated through well.
08:47Good job, you know.
08:49But there's nothing that tells me right now he's a championship standard coach.
08:54That's the reality right now.
08:56He's got a long way to go before he gets there.
08:58But hopefully he gets, he finds his core that fights for him on a daily basis.
09:03But right now, Kevin, I'm going to have to say that's an overreaction.
09:06Alec, what say you about Mr. Gullitson?
09:10Hmm.
09:12This is tough because at the point of, at the point of the hiring, we're all kind of like, meh.
09:19You know, the names compared to him out there, you're like retread.
09:24Really?
09:24Yes.
09:25That's what we're going to do.
09:26And then he impressed me early on in the season, you know, calling out his team and
09:30the media and everybody seemingly waking up overnight.
09:33Seemed like the messaging was there.
09:35I mean, the power play, we've talked about that at length.
09:38That's what he's good at.
09:40And it was very good.
09:41Special teams in general was just good physicality.
09:43Seemed like it got turned up a little bit.
09:45And then you get to the playoffs where it matters the most.
09:47And it seemed like nothing really worked.
09:50And there was a lack of effort in terms of adjustments.
09:53It felt like in the playoffs, too.
09:55You finally put some of those trade deadline acquisitions to work and you switch the lineups when you feel like,
10:02at least morally, you're already defeated.
10:04So, in the playoffs, I don't think so.
10:08And that's what matters to me.
10:09So, I'm going to say overreaction.
10:11Overreaction or reality?
10:12Jason Robertson will be on the stars next season and far into the future.
10:24Um, and there's a bonus question with this one.
10:27Reality.
10:28Okay.
10:29And here's one of the reasons why.
10:31Kevin, after the game, did you see the picture after the game?
10:34Jim Nill goes and congratulates the group on the other side after their game.
10:40I don't think so.
10:41There's a picture out there.
10:42And they were like, is this normal?
10:44And then all these posts of people saying Jim Nill is the class of the class.
10:48Like, he is just that good of a dude.
10:50A player that arrived here said, whenever I got to Dallas, he drove me and my wife around showing off
10:55the city.
10:56And then, you know, like, that's just who he is.
10:58And we've talked to him plenty of times to know.
11:00Like, it's always a pleasurable talk.
11:02I think he carries himself in a certain way and there's this level of honor that he likes.
11:07And I think having Jason Robertson be part of this team for a long time.
11:10Fascinating.
11:11I think is part of that.
11:13But I also look at it and I look at it a little differently.
11:15I'm like, I want somebody faster.
11:18So, maybe Jim Nill's like, no, I got a good character guy.
11:21I want to keep and hold on to him.
11:23I'll get other faster players to go around him.
11:26Alec, overreaction reality.
11:28Jason Robertson will be on the Stars next season and for far into the future.
11:34Bonus!
11:34Oh, no.
11:35You would trade Jason Robertson in three first-round picks for Connor McDavid.
11:38I'll address the bonus first.
11:40Easily, yes.
11:41Wow!
11:42Three times on Sunday.
11:44I'm doing that.
11:45If I...
11:46You talk about it.
11:47Easily, eh?
11:47Yes, you talk about it.
11:49He is in the conversation for future greatest of all time.
11:53Right.
11:53And at least for my age group.
11:56He's the greatest I've ever seen.
11:59So, I would do that in a heartbeat.
12:01But will Robo be here?
12:03Yes, he will.
12:04Well, because I think Jim Nill operates in the same way that Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones
12:09do at some points.
12:11That's my guy.
12:12I found him.
12:13I take a lot of pride in that.
12:14You're getting a second contract here and you're going to stay here for a long time.
12:18This one, I think, is very warranted.
12:20Especially after this season.
12:21I saw all the changes that I wanted to see out of Robo.
12:25So, I think it makes sense.
12:27Obviously, another $12 million, I'm assuming, salary going towards one single player.
12:32That stings when you've got a lot of big contracts on this team already.
12:36But, I think in the long term, it probably is the right decision.
12:40And I think that if Robo wants to be here, which I think he does, I think he's going to
12:44be here long term.
12:46I do like that idea.
12:47If Gullitson was the reason that McDavid came here, he was like, I want to go to Dallas
12:52to be with Glenn Gullitson again.
12:54I mean...
12:55He'd be like, oh my gosh, Jim Nill was playing chess.
12:58So, three first rounders and Jason Robertson for Conor McDavid.
13:03Is he worth that?
13:05That is what you have to decide.
13:07The answer is yes.
13:08Ooh.
13:11Especially if you were going to lose Jason Robertson anyway at some point.
13:14Which you might not necessarily.
13:16You could, though.
13:17You could.
13:18All right.
13:18Again, Kevin, I ask you this question.
13:22What are the three great motivators?
13:25Contracts can be one of them.
13:26No, you're right.
13:28One of the things I pointed out before, though, is when Jason Robertson signed his new contract,
13:32the very first year of that contract is when he had his best regular season ever.
13:37He also had a grudge with America this year, so...
13:40Oh, man.
13:41All right.
13:42That was two motivators.
13:43That notwithstanding.
13:45One more for you.
13:47The America grudge.
13:48You give me a lot to think about.
13:49So, Thomas Hartley, before this season, going into his contract year, he had a plus-minus
13:58of 28, plus 28 two years ago, plus 32 last year.
14:05Signs his new contract worth an average of $10.587 million per year.
14:11In this season, he's a plus-three.
14:14He was a minus-10 in last year's playoffs, and this year, he had zero points in the series
14:19and was a minus-six.
14:21Overreaction or reality?
14:23Signing Thomas Hartley to that massive extension was a massive mistake.
14:28Overreaction.
14:29Hope.
14:29I don't know about that.
14:31Hope.
14:32Okay.
14:32I want to get him in a non-Olympics year.
14:36I want to get a lot of these guys in a non-Olympics year back and see how that happens.
14:39I could see that.
14:40But that's what I'm holding on hope to for now.
14:43Alec, overreaction or reality, Thomas Hartley, and giving him that massive extension was a
14:51massive mistake.
14:53I want it to be overreaction.
14:56What?
14:56I'm kind of with Corey.
14:59You know what?
15:00I'm going to say overreaction.
15:01I'm going to steal Corey's line of thinking.
15:03I was going to say reality, but give me a season where that is the one and only thing
15:08where he is focused on, and then I'll readjust my line of thinking.
15:14I don't know.
15:15It has all the makings of what I was just talking about.
15:18The, I found this guy, we're going to go ahead and pay him before the rest of the league
15:22discovers him kind of thing, and you move just a little bit too quick on that.
15:27I think you did move too quick on it, but the deal is done.
15:30I think he's a good player, and I think he's the right kind of player for this team, so
15:36I'm going to give him one more year before I make assumptions.
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