00:00Physical books or ebooks?
00:02When I read a book, I have to hold the pages.
00:04I can't have ebook.
00:05But I listen to a lot of books.
00:08I need to have pages in my hand.
00:10Yeah, yeah.
00:11You know that from when we work together.
00:13You always had the biblical scroll sitting there.
00:16I know, I know.
00:16With the answer to every question you could ever think of.
00:19OK, paperback or hardcover?
00:22Paperback, always.
00:23Doesn't matter.
00:24Just give me the book.
00:25Reading in bed, though, with the hardcover,
00:27you can't flip it around.
00:28You don't have to lay down and do it like that.
00:30Prop yourself up.
00:32This is why I fall asleep whenever I open a book.
00:34That is a problem for me.
00:35I can't read a book in the day.
00:38I'm asleep.
00:39Bookmarks or dog-eared pages?
00:42I'm not going to have dog-eared pages.
00:43I have too much regard for books.
00:45I have little post-its, usually.
00:47What about you?
00:48Strangely, my bookmark is usually like a gum wrapper.
00:51A gum wrapper?
00:52Yeah.
00:52Oh, no, no, no.
00:53You don't like that?
00:54Well, no, no, no.
00:55It's post-its.
00:56And then you do little notes on the post-its.
00:58Well, no.
00:59So I put a little post-it at the beginning of the chapter,
01:03and I go and I put a post-it at the end of the chapter.
01:06It gives me like a goal.
01:08I count halfway through the book, and I turn a little bit
01:11of that corner of when I'm halfway through.
01:14Cool.
01:15Where did you come up with that?
01:16I don't know.
01:16It's like some goal-oriented thing.
01:19And I think it probably came from the fact that I had such a hard time reading.
01:23Oh, look, I'm almost at my post-it.
01:25Yeah, yeah.
01:26I can stop soon.
01:27A little flagpole.
01:28Yeah.
01:28I'm going to steal that.
01:30Okay, good.
01:30Do audiobooks count as reading?
01:33Yes!
01:34Yes!
01:35Absolutely.
01:36I have listened to so many really, really great books.
01:39Yeah.
01:40If you listen to an audiobook, and then you're telling somebody about it,
01:43do you say, oh, I just read this book, or do you say, oh, I just listened to this book?
01:46I usually say, I just read it, and hope they don't call me on it.
01:49Yeah.
01:50Me too.
01:52Because then they think I didn't really read it, but you really did.
01:56Yeah.
01:56If you're going through your day, and you're driving, or you're gardening,
02:00or you're doing the dishes, I'm so locked into that world.
02:03Yeah, yeah.
02:04It's almost like more than if I was reading it.
02:06Right, yeah, yeah.
02:07If I were reading it, I probably would have fallen asleep.
02:09Right, yes.
02:11Do you listen to books?
02:12Yeah, I do.
02:13Okay.
02:13I'm a slow reader, and I drive a lot, and so now I can...
02:17Doesn't that work well?
02:18It works so well.
02:19Yeah.
02:19I love it.
02:20Is it okay to not finish a book?
02:22Pretty much, right?
02:24I had a big breakthrough moment, because when I was in high school,
02:27I worked at this bookstore called Diermund Books.
02:30Me and my buddy Kyle were janitors there, and they...
02:33You were janitors in a bookstore?
02:35Yes.
02:35Michael Diermund...
02:36He's the one that owned the store?
02:38Yeah.
02:38He gave us book assignments, and we had a three-person book club called Reading for Winners.
02:43He blew my mind, because I would always be so fixated on having to finish a book.
02:47Certain books are like, it feels like they were written for you.
02:50Yeah.
02:50And they're out there.
02:50And I remember him telling me, like, there are way too many books in the world.
02:55You'll never be able to read them all.
02:56He painted above the bookstore a book can change your life.
02:59Such a simple craze, but always I walked in and looked at that every day.
03:02But he was like, if it's not hooking you, then it's for somebody else.
03:07Oh.
03:08And drop it so that you have more time to find the one that's going to change your life.
03:11Wow.
03:12I wish I'd heard that a long time ago.
03:14I know.
03:14I wish I'd heard it sooner.
03:15I feel guilty if I don't finish it then.
03:17Me too.
03:17I sit there next to my bed and look at it and go, oh, I feel so bad.
03:21I know.
03:22Me too.
03:23What is one book you would recommend to everyone?
03:27The Bible?
03:30I don't know.
03:31Little Lulu comic books are pretty darn good when I was a kid.
03:35There is no such thing as a book for everyone.
03:37Yeah.
03:38No.
03:38A cookbook.
03:39Even that is going to happen.
03:41The joy of cooking.
03:42The old joy of cooking.
03:44My mom always had that one.
03:45Yeah.
03:45And you know what?
03:46You can find a recipe in there that you're going to like.
03:49That's true.
03:49Of course, Remarkably Bright Creatures is also very, very good.
03:53That's right.
03:54Talking about this movie and this book with people from all different areas of the world
03:57that have different ages and genders and they find something within this book that they
04:02really connect to.
04:03Wow.
04:03That's great.
04:03Yeah.
04:04So, Joy of Cooking and Remarkably Bright Creatures.
04:06That's pretty much the only two that we can really stand behind.
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