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02:50It's important because it's essential that
02:53if you construct a metro that it generates
02:55make sure that the most of the largest metro
02:58government part of the world is subsidized.
02:59So, with this project that we提ize
03:01the centers, offices, facilities and houses
03:04would create utilities for the city.
03:06We 있나ed the way to finance the metro
03:09to new lines of amplification.
03:10And repairness.
03:11Inclusive, apart from the network is
03:13an Meltem or Sometime
03:14that really need the passage, and also with the utilities that we would create,
03:18would we would think of helping people who really need housing?
03:21And to answer concretely a aspect of your question,
03:25this would be through the city, not only in the periphery,
03:28but in places where there are metro and Transmilenio,
03:32which are strategic and key places in the city,
03:35and also in the center, and where there is to come the public transport,
03:38there will be the housing under this plan that I propose.
03:43Perfect, Dr. Daniel.
03:45The turn is for the Dr. Alex Bernardo.
03:48Well, Albert León,
03:49I admire a Ricardo Arias for his optimism,
03:53he is a candidate for a pessimist,
03:57but I think we have to talk with the truth,
04:01Colombia is in the worst situation of the decades,
04:04and we have to talk about Bogotá,
04:06so when we talk about housing and we don't have housing,
04:09we have to talk about the people who are not favored,
04:12and we are thinking about the post-conflict,
04:15I think that we are saying that we are not being able to bring the best.
04:19So, that is like the first thing.
04:22The second thing is that the Farc are a campfire guerrilla,
04:26we have to think about these people,
04:30when we do it, and it will be easy to do it,
04:32to their regions.
04:33It is in those regions where we have to try to build a life,
04:37and obviously this is a topic of national policy.
04:41Well, Bogotá has 25% urban and 75% rural,
04:47so we will talk about our quota of conflict
04:50and a bit of what it has to do with Cundinamarca,
04:53but look, no there is money for that.
04:56So, I think that prometer,
04:58without having a grave situation as we are in a situation,
05:02it is a mess of campaign.
05:04If we talk about something,
05:06we have to look for the budget with the national government
05:08and we will see how it will be done.
05:10But we are very far.
05:13The issue of justice,
05:14which is the real issue,
05:15is who will go to these tribunals,
05:18who will respond to these tribunals.
05:20These are things supremely gruesos,
05:21and this has a practical practice that I want to see.
05:23Dr. Alex, thank you.
05:25The turn is for Dr. Ricardo Arias.
05:28But, first of all,
05:30the optimism is in the knowledge of the city and society.
05:35Now, when they ask me about housing for society,
05:40I say no,
05:42the housing will be for all the citizens of Bogotá.
05:45We have done much damage,
05:47much damage in Bogotá and in Colombia,
05:50this segmentation of society permanent,
05:52even even the numerology of the estratos.
05:55That is a verbal aggression that we have in the city,
05:58segmenting one and the other.
06:00We are going to build a house that never has been done in the city,
06:04that never has been done,
06:05and we are going to do it for all the sectors of society.
06:08But to do it,
06:09we have two strategies,
06:12two ways,
06:13one,
06:14one,
06:16one,
06:17one,
06:18one,
06:24one,
06:25one,
06:25one,
06:26one,
06:26two,
06:29one,
06:29one,
06:30one,
06:31one,
06:33one,
06:34one,
06:34one,
06:37two,
06:39one,
06:41one,
06:43one,
06:43one,
06:45two,
06:47one,
06:47one,
06:48which were exactly the new models that we left established for a new society national.
06:54So, as Alcalde of Bogotá, I'm going to enjoy, in extremity,
06:58taking place a task that Bogotá has never registered,
07:02and that through these new models, it will include in them a whole society.
07:06For those who have doubts, they are totally defined by Constitution and Ley,
07:13Decreto 1048, Decreto 1104.
07:15There are two models on which we base our policy.
07:20No optimism, it's reality.
07:22We can today build all the society needs through new models that allow us to become a property of a
07:31property.
07:32Zero credit, zero initial credit.
07:35Well, starting to appear the positions divergent, and so, before giving the word to Dr. Rafael Pardo,
07:40who is the last candidate in this round, I want to remind you that,
07:44at the end of the round, they have a minute to controvert.
07:47No lo olviden, you can enjoy it.
07:49Dr. Rafael Pardo, your answer, please.
07:51No.
07:51No, no.
07:51Yeah, I'll do it.
07:53I'll do it.
07:54I'll do it.
07:55I'll do it.
07:57Now, I'll do it.
08:02You'd like to know a little bit more about what happened in Salvador and Guatemala.
08:05because all the violence began to emerge after the peace agreement
08:10because they dismantled the ejército
08:12and that's not going to happen here
08:13here we have a situation totally different
08:16what we can have with a peace agreement
08:19is a dividend of peace for the security of Bogotá
08:23I did the calculation
08:24approximately there are between 46.000 and 48.000 men of police
08:29that are now cuidating torres, puentes, infrastructures
08:33in a role that is not propriety policial
08:36with a peace agreement
08:39a lot of these 46.000 or 48.000 men
08:42can go to the cities in other functions
08:45and Bogotá has at least a 16-18% of this force
08:51that has now been taking torres or telecommunications
08:57there are approximately 7.700 or 7.800 men of police
09:03that have to be re-entrenated
09:05and re-entrenated in a school that created Antanas Mocos
09:08in their second alcaldies
09:09and that abandoned the left alcaldies
09:11a school for re-entrenation of the police
09:16for Bogotá
09:17I am going to put it in practice
09:18I am going to do all the effort
09:21so that these 7.800 men of police
09:24can really serve
09:25to the security of Bogotá
09:27so the vision catastrophist
09:29of that this will be going to be like
09:30who knows what and not what
09:32they ignore the reality of how the agreements were
09:35in Central America
09:36and here that will not happen
09:37in the contrary
09:38in security we will have a dividend
09:41of peace very important
09:42that is a increase
09:44of the police
09:44but we have to re-entrenate
09:46to serve in Bogotá
09:48for the people and for the safety of Bogotá
09:52temos derecho
09:53concluyamos entonces
09:54la ronda
09:55y yo creo que nos levantan la mano
09:56León
09:57yo también tengo derecho a replica
09:58yo creo que fue el primero que la levanté
10:01vamos a conseguir la réplica
10:03ok
10:03es claro
10:03que levantaron
10:05la palabra
10:06entonces primero
10:07yo creo que
10:08todos levantamos la mano
10:09muy bien
10:10doctor Alex primero
10:11luego al doctor Francisco
10:12luego mismo las otras manos
10:13que se levanten
10:14ya tengo al doctor Daniel también
10:15doctor Alex
10:16bueno
10:17Well, first, to say that we are of agreement in making peace with the Farc,
10:22as we believe that we have to do it with other violent agents.
10:25I'm going to say that Dr. Pardo, what happened in Central America.
10:29Look, what happened in Central America was the following,
10:31they were replaced the peace, they were replaced the institutions,
10:35one they converted, they changed the name, and finally the budget was the same.
10:39So they assigned to those guerrillas, desmovilized, a budget,
10:44and about that they didn't build a nation.
10:47We can say that Central America is an example of the future.
10:50That doesn't mean that we have to do the same.
10:52We can do this completely different process.
10:55We need much intelligence, much intelligence emotional of the government
10:59to understand that the drama of Colombia is the poverty, the inequality,
11:03the concentration of the rich, the control of the 70% of the land,
11:08the contra-reforma agraria that has been done in the last 20 years.
11:12So, what happened in Central America is a very bad example.
11:16I believe we have to do a new process of peace.
11:19And we have to reinvent this peaceful power that we have never met in five years.
11:24Dr. Alex, thank you.
11:26Francisco Santos, I wanted to make you a moment of that.
11:28I don't know what you said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
11:30no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
11:32No, I'm not really optimistic, as I think the doctor le sent out.
11:35El doctor Pardo está hablando como Juan Manuel Santos, que ya salió a Naciones Unidas y va a decir
11:39vamos a mandar militares para acá y para allá y no hemos firmado nada.
11:42Minutico.
11:43La seguridad no sea así tan rápido como usted la plantea, doctor Pardo.
11:47Siguen las BACRIM, siguen las organizaciones que explotan el oro ilegalmente.
11:52Sigue el tema del narcotráfico.
11:56Y con la impunidad que se puede generar, porque tampoco sabemos cómo va a ser el acuerdo de justicia,
12:01pues van a haber otras organizaciones que van a decir, ¿sabe qué? Yo también quiero lo mismo,
12:04por lo tanto voy a continuar haciendo violencia en los campos y en las ciudades,
12:10porque ese es el incentivo que no se utilizó en este proceso de paz.
12:14Entonces, yo sí veo en 10 años otro proceso de paz con otra organización que aprovechó
12:20que ponemos un manto de impunidad total y que va a pedir exactamente lo mismo entre 10 años.
12:27Y no hemos ni siquiera hablado del ELN que supuestamente debe empezar un proceso.
12:31Era el doctor Francisco Santos, hace una alusión directa a su vecino de la silla izquierda,
12:35pero me pidió primero la palabra Daniel.
12:38Entonces, va primero el doctor Daniel, luego Rafael Pardo,
12:40y luego le pregunto al doctor Ricardo, ¿no lo voy a levantar la mano?
12:44Está bien, está bien.
12:45Bueno, vamos, doctor Daniel primero.
12:47Sí, yo le diría al doctor Pardo que obviamente los procesos de Guatemala y El Salvador
12:54no son el modelo a seguir, pero, sin embargo, la violencia actual en Guatemala y El Salvador
13:02ve su reflejo en México.
13:04En México, las últimas cifras que yo vi eran de más de 60, 70 mil muertos en 6, 7 años
13:11a causa del narcotráfico.
13:13Y México, tal como Guatemala y El Salvador, es un país transportador, no es un país productor.
13:20Entonces, definitivamente, la razón real de la violencia en Guatemala y en estos países,
13:26más allá de malas políticas públicas o mala estrategia, es el narcotráfico,
13:31es el mismo problema que vamos a seguir teniendo en Colombia aún después de los acuerdos.
13:35Y por eso yo reitero que la paz real en Colombia empieza con un debate real
13:39acerca de la legalización de las drogas, porque no vamos a vivir en paz
13:43hasta que enfrentemos el hecho de que hay que legalizar,
13:47porque es un producto que va a seguir produciendo violencia mientras sea ilegal.
13:50Tiempo para la réplica, gracias, doctor Daniel, de Rafael Pardo.
13:56Hay que distinguir cuál es el papel del Ejército y cuál es el papel de la policía,
14:00y eso es fundamental.
14:03Recientemente, el comandante del Ejército anunció un proceso muy importante,
14:07que es el inicio de un proceso de transformación hacia una nueva doctrina militar.
14:11Pero planteó el comandante del Ejército, asunto que tenemos que tener en cuenta,
14:16que no significaba disminuir el número de hombres del pie de fuerza del Ejército.
14:21Entonces, eso es fundamental porque no se va a descuidar la seguridad.
14:26Pero la policía hoy está cumpliendo funciones de cuidado de infraestructura,
14:31que si hay acuerdo de paz, y por supuesto yo supongo,
14:34y es el tema del programa de si hay acuerdo de paz,
14:37no venimos a discutir si lo hay o no, sino ese es el supuesto del programa.
14:41Yo lo quiero, y yo creo que va a tener lugar.
14:44Ahí podemos liberar por lo menos 46 a 48 mil policías,
14:50de los cuales podrían llegar casi 8 mil a Bogotá, que hay que reentrenarlos.
14:55Entonces, ese es un dividendo muy importante,
14:57no tiene que ver con desmantelar el Ejército,
14:59ni con cesar el esfuerzo sobre otros grupos delincuenciales.
15:03Rafael Pardo, muchas gracias.
15:05Finalizamos esta ronda con la réplica del doctor Ricardo Arias.
15:08Entonces, más que réplica es comentario.
15:11Yo quiero situarme como lo que voy a hacer como alcalde de Bogotá.
15:14Si yo me sitúo en ese escenario, para mí el escenario de la paz es una fortaleza inmensa
15:20que voy a tener en el manejo de la ciudad.
15:23Entonces, cuando uno mira, cuando uno está administrando, cuando uno está gerenciando,
15:27uno tiene que mirar las debilidades y las fortalezas,
15:30y la fortaleza es una inmensa oportunidad que vamos a tener para Bogotá.
15:34Los problemas que hoy tiene Bogotá, o sea, su historia pasada,
15:38quedarán superados precisamente en el buen aprovechar de la circunstancia
15:43y en el poder proponer entonces los temas siguientes que requiere una sociedad.
15:48Miren, no tengan nostalgia de la guerra, no la recuerden más.
15:52Empecemos a mirar con mucho optimismo los días por llegar.
15:55¡Gracias!
15:57¡Gracias!
15:58¡Gracias!
15:58¡Gracias!
15:59¡Gracias!
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