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El senador del Centro Democrático habló con El Espectador sobre las tensiones que mantiene su partido con el gobierno de Abelardo de la Espriella y de la postura que tomará la bancada en los debates claves del Congreso. También destacó la agenda de proyectos que ya radicaron ante el Legislativo y lanzó una advertencia sobre la disputa política con el Pacto Histórico.
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00:09We want to welcome you to Interviews with the Viewer.
00:11Today we meet with Senator and spokesperson for the Democratic Center, Hernán Cadavid.
00:15How are you doing?
00:16Thank you very much. We're very happy to be in El Espectador again.
00:20Well, Senator, I think we should start with the most crucial thing at this moment, which is August 7th.
00:23Abelardo takes possession of the Priella.
00:25How does the Democratic Center's relationship with the government fit into this situation?
00:28Well, first of all, that's the great news for those of us who have been in the opposition during these last few years.
00:35So it's a much-needed respite for this country, a source of confidence, stability, and a return to control over many things.
00:42sectors.
00:43First of all.
00:44Second, well, we as a party, with 47 congressmen, had not even been in the presidential election for 48 hours.
00:52when we declared ourselves a governing party, without any conditions, without any consideration.
00:58without any blackmail.
01:00And we have declared ourselves, out of conviction, to vote for Dr. Abelardo de las Priella,
01:04Therefore, without abandoning the direction of our own legislative agenda,
01:09which is what guides us in our political action,
01:13We hope this is a very good start for this country.
01:15and we started working on what really matters.
01:18Yes, let's say that the news about that relationship was also the election of the presidency of Congress,
01:23There was also talk of some hardworking bees facing a tiger roaring at the Democratic Center.
01:28At this moment, let's say, that, I don't know if it would be a joke or what it would be,
01:33Has it been resolved? Have talks taken place with the incoming minister, Lara?
01:36I believe that from the next day, or rather, in advance, we always said
01:43If the government of Dr. Abelardo de las Priella has any reason to be at ease,
01:47a presidency from the Democratic Center, his ruling party,
01:51the largest within the Congress of the Republic.
01:54First of all.
01:54Second, once the choice of Dr. Honorio Enríquez was defined,
01:59member of the Democratic Center, because the next day the president of the Republic
02:03He expressed that we were moving forward, that he considered us a governing party.
02:07And that is the attitude we have preserved today.
02:11So within two or three days, this party was put to the test as a governing coalition.
02:18and allowed the approval with our numbers and political defense in the Senate of the Republic
02:24of the initial proposal that wanted possession in Cauca.
02:28These are the facts that will ultimately demonstrate our political conduct.
02:33during this new Congress.
02:35Yes, there has been some talk about it from the incoming government as well.
02:38that more power will be given to decrees than to the legislative process.
02:43How are you all receiving that announcement?
02:45As long as it's within the framework of the law,
02:48to avoid repeating mistakes made during the current administration
02:52or the outgoing government of Gustavo Petro,
02:55who used their regulatory power to transgress the powers of the law,
03:00That cannot be allowed, and we cannot, let's say, accept that that was a path.
03:06But there are a large number of decrees, resolutions,
03:11Let me give you some specific examples, the famous areas for food production
03:16or the APAs that generated so much discussion with a repeal of resolutions,
03:22A major problem is perfectly corrected.
03:24So, there's certainly a lot of regulatory content.
03:28that it be the government's priority, it is understood,
03:31and the purely fundamental aspects are reserved for Congress
03:36subject to legal reservations, as they say.
03:39The reduction of ministries must go to Congress.
03:43A tax reform that seeks to reduce taxes must go to Congress.
03:49There are elements that will necessarily have to go there
03:51And that will be the national discussion.
03:54Yes, the Democratic Center also goes through, let's say,
03:56four years in staunch opposition to the Petro government,
04:00Now it also applies to the government, right?
04:01As you said, they declared themselves as an opposition bloc within 48 hours.
04:05What will be the priorities of the Democratic Center now that it is in government?
04:09We, and I must say this with recognition of my party,
04:15We are the only political group that presented this to the public.
04:20a legislative package, a legislative agenda.
04:25That is our orientation.
04:26We explained each project individually, highlighting what we consider urgent.
04:30the recovery of security, the recovery of the health system,
04:35to correct, for example, an element so sensitive to the wallets of Colombians
04:40such as the property tax, which has skyrocketed in many regions of Colombia.
04:43Those are going to be the topics.
04:45So, one can say it in two ways.
04:48We support the government on all essential matters,
04:52We will discuss whatever needs to be discussed and whatever we deem inappropriate.
04:55but we are also primarily guided by our own work agenda.
05:01Okay, now, getting into what the Democratic Center actually is,
05:05There has been talk, and there is talk every four years, about the death of Uribismo.
05:08Internal fractures are also mentioned.
05:09I think every year.
05:10Exactly, every year since the death of Uribismo,
05:12They are talking about internal fractures.
05:13What's happening to the game right now?
05:15Because there are clearly two important figures who left it.
05:19We're talking about Pablo Alguín, about María Fernanda Cabal.
05:21How is the party doing internally?
05:22What I want to say is, first, to thank the millions of Colombians.
05:27which last March allowed us to have the most important vote
05:33to the Congress of the Republic as the current governing coalition.
05:38We reached three million votes,
05:40We had a great recovery in the House of Representatives,
05:43going from 15 to 30, we went from 13 senators to 17.
05:48We have had a very significant presence in the regions
05:52that we had lost electorally speaking.
05:55First of all.
05:56Second, I believe that respect has been preserved here.
06:00to some guarantees of the presidential pre-candidacies that existed.
06:04No other party has had so many ups and downs,
06:08so many problems like ours within the framework of a presidential process.
06:12The violent murder of our colleague Miguel Uribe Turbay,
06:17He was murdered by violence, almost a year ago.
06:22which still has no answers today.
06:24And it's as if nothing had happened.
06:26In other words, we have faced some rather difficult issues.
06:30Nevertheless, here we are.
06:33We respect the decisions of those who have decided to leave.
06:38But what we've said is that nothing has changed here.
06:41Neither our principles nor our way of looking at the country have changed.
06:45nor the internal debates.
06:47This party has had some very important internal debates.
06:51For example, when the decision had to be made within the framework of the plebiscite
06:55whether to vote no or for fenernos.
06:58That was a big debate within the party.
07:00And here political thoughts and perspectives have converged
07:04like Iván Duque or María Fernanda Cabal.
07:06And those debates did not harm the country.
07:09On the contrary, they fueled a political party.
07:11So we are also representing a new generation of leaders,
07:17along with other young, new colleagues,
07:19a very important, very interesting group of women in the regions of Colombia.
07:24So let's look ahead.
07:25Yes, my part in looking ahead is also
07:29that request that María Fernanda Cabal would make regarding the decision.
07:32Does the party view it favorably?
07:34In other words, would it be approved, or is it unknown?
07:35Well, I want to speak in a personal capacity in this case.
07:38There is no room for a decision in this match.
07:45If they were telling me and we were talking
07:48that the Democratic Center stopped defending security,
07:51That would be a condition.
07:53Well, if they were saying that right now the Democratic Center
07:56He advocates for statism and rejects the mixed model.
07:59in the health system, the education system, the public services,
08:03One might ask, why did these people change so much?
08:06If one were to say that the Democratic Center
08:08He's not thinking about the workers anymore.
08:11and in the protection of, for example, vulnerable sectors in Colombia,
08:15as has happened with social programs
08:17or this party's law on reducing working hours,
08:21One would say that's what's happening.
08:23But we haven't changed.
08:25We have the same goal.
08:26The legislative agenda does demonstrate this.
08:28Our speech is the same.
08:30So there's no room there for raising party decisions.
08:33that has monolithically faced the most difficult moments of this country
08:38so that they can tell us that it is now necessary to split it up.
08:41That makes no sense.
08:43And the party as well, how is it organizing itself for the regional elections?
08:46Let's say, we haven't even finished one election, and we already have to start talking about another one.
08:49But the party must also be in the same boat.
08:52Of course, the party is starting to look ahead to 2027.
08:55to prepare our lists of councilors in all the municipalities of Colombia,
08:59from members of parliament, to identifying the best candidates for mayor, governorships,
09:05to continue growing in that area.
09:07You can't lose sight of this here.
09:09The current situation presents the arrival of a new government,
09:13But at the forefront is a political force that has also just garnered 12 million votes,
09:19who has a large presence in the Congress of the Republic,
09:22which is the Historical Pact,
09:24and that they will dedicate themselves to doing politics, led by Iván C.P. and Gustavo Petro.
09:29Therefore, what is happening cannot be underestimated.
09:32And to think that the only argument is about looking at each other's similarities.
09:35If we don't get organized,
09:38Well, we're sure to have serious problems with regional power.
09:41And that's what we want to face in the best way possible.
09:46In other words, it's not simply about putting candidates up for the sake of it,
09:49It's about putting the best people in place so that this goes well and doesn't end in regional failures.
09:54Yes, even as we also reported in the newspaper,
09:57Let's say that in some way the focus is also, for example,
10:01in making Antioquia grow.
10:02Antioquia is a stronghold of Uribism
10:04And Antioquia has also shown them to be very representative votes.
10:08At this moment, with the arrival, for example,
10:10from Creemos, which does not have legal status,
10:12but he managed to get two representatives into the House,
10:15How are those dialogues going?
10:16Well, with Creemos and Mayor Federico Gutiérrez
10:19There has always been a very good relationship.
10:22So much so that we went to help him
10:24in the previous mayoral election,
10:27after the disastrous period of Daniel Quintero
10:31that shook the foundations of the Antioquian town of Medellín,
10:35that destroyed everything that worked,
10:38the public-private model.
10:40Today there are more than 35 or 40 officials
10:43charged with corruption.
10:46That whole disastrous period
10:47because he summoned us, Dr. Federico,
10:51to us to participate in that election.
10:53That is, when appropriate,
10:56We have known how to choose each other, to help each other.
10:59in other regions of Colombia,
11:01So we argued, as is natural.
11:04They have one candidate, we have another.
11:06And I think that's the normal dynamic.
11:08There are some major challenges that time will reveal.
11:11how will all of this adapt?
11:14But we will naturally defend our party.
11:17what we represent, the causes we have raised,
11:21our doctrine, our thesis.
11:23I dare say that the party I represent
11:26He is not only the only one who presented the country with a legislative agenda,
11:30but the only one who is constantly worried
11:34through the consolidation of a body of doctrine
11:36which in the end is the only thing that makes it sustainable over time
11:39to a political organization.
11:41Sure, let's say, this is a party that has also managed to grow,
11:44As we were discussing regarding the previous elections,
11:47and he would also face a new match next year,
11:51a new party with legal status called Defenders of the Homeland,
11:53the party of President-elect Abelardo de Las Priella.
11:56Do you think that Defenders of the Homeland could represent
11:59as a dispute also over those votes that you have received?
12:02Eventually, that condition will surely exist in some regions.
12:09But for us, only time and work guide us.
12:13dedication.
12:14To us, as you wish right now,
12:16They predict our extinction every year,
12:19And the democratic center is over.
12:21And Uribismo is over.
12:22We focus on what is relevant.
12:25New political forces from a similar niche,
12:29All expressions of democracy are welcome.
12:32if they were granted legally,
12:34Go ahead everyone,
12:35and simply the day-to-day,
12:37our regional, grassroots, and visible work,
12:40Well, that will be what guides us.
12:42Yes, and for example, National Salvation,
12:44Another party that also gained representation in Congress this time,
12:47He said at that time that they were the only ones,
12:49the only right-to-right party.
12:51What do you consider to be the democratic center?
12:53A party of what ideology?
12:54We dismantle those definitions
12:57of right, left, center-right label.
13:01Here in this match,
13:02People who consider themselves right-wing are members and have been members.
13:06I have heard other colleagues say,
13:09I consider myself center-right.
13:11Others say, well, I'm not interested in that at all.
13:13for one fundamental reason,
13:15our statutes,
13:17how this political figure was conceived,
13:19He never established a label as a fundamental principle,
13:23but rather principles that we have consistently defended.
13:27So, we don't say that we are right-wing,
13:30not right and that dispute.
13:31We say,
13:32Leave that aside,
13:33Because what we defend are these principles.
13:36And I think that's our best definition.
13:39This is due to the 13 years of legal existence of this party.
13:44what we have defended when we have been in government
13:47or when we have been in opposition.
13:49So, that's why,
13:50What we have proposed beyond all that,
13:52It's not that we don't have an identity,
13:54We think that definition
13:57It is even ancient for one to be able to
14:00to define a modern party,
14:02that what he defends are principles in a coherent manner.
14:06And before we wrap up the interview,
14:08I wanted to ask you about two things
14:09who are key in Congress right now.
14:11The election of the Comptroller is one of them,
14:13He is practically the head of the tax authority.
14:15as the fiscal control entity.
14:17How is the Democratic Center doing?
14:19What position will you take regarding this?
14:20to that list of 10 candidates?
14:22Well, what we've done
14:24It is a listening process
14:25of all the candidates
14:27with respect for the 10 names
14:29that are on that list.
14:30If they are there,
14:31It's because they have demonstrated capabilities,
14:33understanding and knowledge of the topics.
14:35First of all.
14:36Second, the Democratic Center
14:38It does not have a candidate within the top 10.
14:40Some people are more accepted.
14:43in one sector of the caucus,
14:44others,
14:45But it will be a party decision.
14:48where we finally say
14:49A decision must be made.
14:50and all 47 of them, judiciously,
14:53We're going to be all about one name.
14:56There will be no indiscipline here.
14:58that some vote for one side,
15:00others on the other hand,
15:01Because that's what defines us.
15:03And three, more importantly,
15:04that all that
15:05What is the purpose?
15:07of the person
15:08that we choose
15:09as Comptroller General
15:10of the Republic.
15:11This shouldn't be
15:12a Comptroller's Office
15:14that he will pursue
15:15political enemies,
15:16but that doesn't hide either
15:18your work,
15:19the recovery
15:20of the resources.
15:21That has to be it.
15:22a message
15:22that country receives,
15:24that has real essence
15:26the behavior
15:28of the Comptroller's Office.
15:29I don't know
15:31some real figures
15:32How much is the recovery?
15:34that has exercised
15:34the Comptroller General
15:35of the Republic
15:36along
15:36of the last 10 years.
15:38If we're having trouble
15:39plus the Comptroller's Office
15:40that which recovers
15:41to those entities,
15:43all,
15:43They have to be passed
15:44to an exam too.
15:45This is not only
15:46an electoral procedure
15:49of decisions
15:50of a position,
15:51but what is the result?
15:52That's why,
15:53Let me add
15:54that we have come
15:55ahead
15:55and I will eradicate again
15:57the bill,
15:59sorry,
15:59of legislative act
16:00that eliminates
16:01the Comptroller's Offices
16:03territorial
16:03because they have become
16:05in a scenario
16:06or of concealment
16:07or of persecution
16:09or accommodation
16:10bureaucratic
16:11And that can't be.
16:12in that way.
16:13Another of the elections
16:15also key
16:15in the coming months,
16:17well, next few days
16:18It's even the topic
16:19of the National Electoral Council.
16:20You four years ago
16:21they managed to put it in the name of
16:21Álvaro Hernán Prada himself.
16:23At the moment
16:24It also has a list
16:24The list of candidates has already been defined.
16:26Are they also looking
16:27second place
16:28Or how would that work?
16:29Well, we're on that search.
16:31from second place,
16:33a second chair
16:35rather within the CNE.
16:37Today, with certainty,
16:39We have a right to one.
16:40This,
16:41to tell him
16:42to the opinion,
16:44corresponds in proportion
16:45to the number of votes
16:46that he/she has taken
16:48each game
16:49in the election
16:50congressional,
16:50is proportional
16:51and we,
16:53today with certainty,
16:54right to one.
16:55There is a list
16:55of registered names
16:57within the party
16:57which we will also have
16:59to evaluate,
17:01naturally,
17:01However close they may be,
17:03your resume,
17:04their performance,
17:05his career,
17:06their legal understanding
17:07of the electoral issues.
17:09The importance
17:10what it is supplied with
17:11in the National Council
17:12Electoral
17:13It is of a great magnitude,
17:15sometimes misunderstood.
17:16Then,
17:17There must be something there.
17:17a profile that represents
17:19not only
17:19what we are,
17:21but,
17:22More importantly,
17:23their legal understanding
17:24of electoral law
17:26and from what's there,
17:27well,
17:28indeed,
17:29He is heading towards it.
17:30Yeah,
17:30And finally,
17:31Yes, Senator,
17:31I wanted to ask you,
17:32Is there a message?
17:32that I want to send
17:33to the incoming government
17:34To talk about Esprilla?
17:35We are ready.
17:37to be in government,
17:38which we have reiterated to them
17:40with facts,
17:42that we did not abandon
17:43our legislative agenda,
17:45which is the priority
17:46for us,
17:47which surely
17:48we will attend
17:49in large quantities
17:50of aspects
17:51and that time
17:53starts running
17:55since August 7
17:56at 3 pm
17:57like a race against time
17:59and every second counts
18:00And we want to be
18:02some allies
18:03so that the country
18:04may it succeed,
18:05their government
18:06and, naturally,
18:07Our party too.
18:10Ready,
18:10thanks a lot,
18:11senator,
18:11to come.
18:11To you,
18:11thanks a lot,
18:12very happy,
18:13They can't leave me
18:14waiting so long
18:15to return to the Spectator.
18:17Of course,
18:17We always have it here
18:18the doors are open.
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