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00:12Hello and welcome to the start of your week on The One Show, live on BBC One and I play
00:16it with Roman Kent.
00:17And Alex Jones. Now, Sebastian Sarway might have made the headlines with his record-breaking sub-two-hour run at
00:24the London Marathon yesterday.
00:25What a ridiculous time.
00:26Unbelievable.
00:27But we also wanted to say a big well done to everyone who took part, including Sophie Raworth, who was
00:32here last week talking about it, and of course, our very own Clara. Well done, Clara.
00:35Oh, my heroine. Well done, Clara. And one of our guests tonight shows no sign of slowing down. Dame Maureen
00:41Lipman will be here as she prepares to celebrate her 80th birthday and hit the road on tour all in
00:46the same week.
00:47Yeah, she's starring in a brand new, all-singing, all-dancing play about a woman who's so full of joy,
00:53she bursts into song everywhere she goes, just like Alex Jones.
00:57It's packed full of famous songs, including the Hollywood classic singing in the rain.
01:00We sing.
01:01And speaking of movie magic, Grammy and Tony-nominated singer Josh Groban will be sharing his favourite film soundtracks for
01:08his new album, featuring everything from The Lion King to The Godfather.
01:12And completing our line-up is the Don of Radio 2. Jeremy Vine, he'll be keeping us all on the
01:18edge of our seats with his latest murder mystery novel.
01:22And he'll be revealing which Hollywood star he's already got his eye on as his dream leading man.
01:26Also coming up, ahead of next week's anniversary of VE Day, former Royal Marine Commando JJ Chalmers is put through
01:33his paces in the Scottish Highlands to find out how one house became not only the birthplace of the commandos,
01:39but also the inspiration behind special forces all around the world.
01:43Yeah, lots in the show tonight. But first, water pollution is something that's once again in the news today, as
01:49the High Court has been hearing the UK's biggest ever environmental pollution claim involving three rivers along the Welsh-English
01:56border.
01:56The state of our waterways is something that Joe Crowley knows all too well after numerous investigations over the years.
02:02And recently, he's been finding out how some new technology could make a real difference.
02:09From testing the Thames to rewilding helping to filter rivers, the One Show has tracked water pollution, a concern recently
02:17reflected in the drama Dirty Business.
02:19Some things are changing. There's better monitoring of wastewater releases into rivers and more investment going into sewage works. But
02:27with only a third of the UK's rivers in good ecological health, according to the Rivers Trust, there's still a
02:33long way to go.
02:35In the last two decades, we've looked at everything from pollution to protection. Since 2019, Lancashire's River Ribble has improved
02:43through community action and habitat restoration.
02:46Work on Sheffield's River Don has turned one of Europe's most polluted waterways into a salmon breeding site for the
02:53first time in 200 years.
02:55And in 2024, we joined Olympic rowers testing the water for sewage on the River Thames, uncovering high phosphate and
03:03nitrate levels.
03:04This prompted new safety guidance and national action to protect our rivers.
03:09But across the UK, the situation remains fragile.
03:13All in all, we're seeing really poor health in our rivers.
03:19You know, in England, only about 15% of them are in good health.
03:24In Scotland, still only two thirds of the rivers are actually healthy.
03:28In Northern Ireland, it's only about a third.
03:31And Wales, only about 44%.
03:34So we really need concerted effort to fix our rivers for all of our benefit.
03:41Simon became worried there was a serious problem with the stream near his Suffolk home.
03:47We suddenly noticed there was a total absence of wildlife here and that the fish had gone, the plants in
03:55the stream had gone.
03:57Did you have any idea of where it had come from or what might have happened?
04:01As a medical student, I'd done a toxicology course.
04:03So I sort of had a feeling that there was a toxic effect that had been at play here in
04:10the stream.
04:11But, you know, this was a theory rather than a fact.
04:14But one company is hoping to help in situations like this by using high-tech, unique sensors to detect pollution.
04:22So Matt, what is this? Talk me through it.
04:24It's a very small self-contained unit that can be deployed very easily in the rivers.
04:29The cost of river monitoring varies widely, from hundreds of thousands for large-scale fixed sensors to between £2,000
04:36to £3,000 for ones like Matt's.
04:39The system will automatically take a sample of the water, and from that sample we can look at something called
04:46eDNA,
04:47which is environmental DNA, which can tell us what bacteria is present.
04:51But it can also tell us, from a forensic point of view, what the main source of that pollution was,
04:56whether it was agricultural or human or natural.
05:00Matt's colleague Kat tells me the system has already had success, identifying pollution from a nearby farm.
05:06We've had ammonia levels trigger the sensors, and then we've analysed the eDNA.
05:13The analysis identified the source as being from pigs.
05:17The next step was to narrow down the exact location of the spill.
05:21Because we have 14 sensors over the catchment, we could pinpoint those hot spots.
05:27So we then found a movable pig unit and was just going straight into the river.
05:33Wow. You've sensed the pollution, got the evidence.
05:36You know it's coming from pig farming, and then you can go and have a way with that farmer and
05:40solve the problem.
05:41Exactly that.
05:42Fortunately for Simon, some of Matt's sensors were put into his local stream,
05:46and they were able to give an idea of what was causing the issues.
05:50We found that there are fluctuating high levels of ammonia, which are toxic to wildlife, but there are other sources
06:00of pollution.
06:01We have a sewage plant up the valley, but we also have a number of things going on in the
06:07local agricultural community.
06:09So for the first time, you're getting a true picture of what's going on.
06:11Yes.
06:12And true pictures are complicated. It's not a simple villain, which is what you suspected it might be.
06:16That's right.
06:17Our rivers are precious, but incredibly vulnerable.
06:20And the more we can all work together and use new technology to monitor what's really going on,
06:25the more likely it is we can achieve clean rivers for us all to enjoy and protect for many years
06:31to come.
06:34Oh, thank you, Joe. And the Big River Watch survey is taking place this week.
06:38So if you'd like to get involved, more details can be found on our website, bbc.co.uk slash The
06:43One Show.
06:44Time now to say hello to tonight's guest.
06:47It's Radio 2's Jeremy Vine, singer Josh Groban, and all-round National Treasure Day, Maureen Litmer.
06:52Oh.
06:54Welcome.
06:56Welcome, all three.
06:57Well, the thing is, love is in the air.
06:59We have to say congratulations, Maureen, since we saw you last.
07:02You've got married.
07:03And Josh has got engaged.
07:05Yes, I did.
07:06Yeah.
07:06There we are.
07:07I recommend it.
07:09You did a smart thing.
07:10Absolutely.
07:10I've got nothing for you.
07:12Yeah.
07:13Come on, Jeremy.
07:14Where's your news?
07:16He's pregnant.
07:17I'm going to have a think about that.
07:18He's pregnant.
07:18He's pregnant.
07:19Okay, yes, that's it.
07:20Oh, my goodness.
07:20Congratulations.
07:24We'll be chatting to Josh and Jeremy very soon, but we have started with Maureen,
07:28who's heading out on tour all over the UK with a brand-new play called Allegra.
07:33Now, it's a comedy about a woman so joyful that she bursts into song at every possible opportunity.
07:39Maureen, tell us more about Allegra, then, and playing her, because she sounds like a lot of fun.
07:44It will be, one day.
07:46Yes, it will be.
07:47Probably in Aberdeen, it will be incredible fun.
07:51She's relentlessly happy, and it drives everyone mad, and they really want to sort of bring her down
07:57and make her more like everybody else, and she thinks nothing of going into the Indian restaurant
08:03and doing a rendition of Everything's Coming at Roses, and so that's what I'm living with.
08:09I have to sing, I have to dance, and I have to speak, all at the same time.
08:16But you're a triple threat.
08:17This is fine.
08:18I am.
08:18I am a quadruple threat, actually, because I can't really do any of them, but I'm having a good go.
08:23And it's lovely because, you know, we're living in a world of vitriol and nastiness, and here
08:31comes this woman, and she's just, you know, I find joy every day, and she's batty.
08:39I mean, you would call her probably neurodivergent if you had the vocabulary.
08:45And everybody's just, you know, there's a policeman, there's a brother, there's a carer,
08:50and they're just trying to sort of keep her level, but she can't.
08:54And so she's got an orchestra in her head.
08:58And so this is what we're taking around the country to cheer everybody up.
09:02She sounds brilliant.
09:03Yeah, it sounds so much fun.
09:04Are you a little bit like Allegra at home?
09:06Are you singing around the house all the time?
09:08Well, my late husband used to say, if she's not singing, get out of the house.
09:14Because I do.
09:15I sing, and I don't even know I'm doing it in the back of Texas and things,
09:20and people are always saying, you know, you're very happy today.
09:22And I say, why, why, why do you think I'm happy?
09:25I'm as miserable as sin.
09:28Yeah, no, I do, and I sing, and I growl.
09:32Oh, yeah, okay.
09:33Yes, I don't know I'm doing it.
09:34Well, that's veering into different territory now, isn't it?
09:38Yeah, we'll get to the marriage later, yes.
09:42Josh, with a voice like yours, though, you must do a lot of singing in the house.
09:46Well, in fact, we know that you sing in the shower.
09:48I do sing in the shower.
09:49Thank you for having me sing in the shower for you during the pandemic.
09:52That was a great acoustics for me.
09:54Yeah, I sing to our dogs.
09:56I sing, sometimes I'll just be singing around just in a room by myself,
09:59and my fiancé will just be like, are you okay in there?
10:02This is just the brain.
10:03There's just songs going on in my head all the time.
10:05And also, it goes through your head all night.
10:07Yes.
10:07You have a song.
10:08You know, we have Dream a Little Dream.
10:10And it's three o'clock in the morning, and in my head, I'm just singing.
10:17And I sometimes do a little shimmy as well.
10:21Unfortunately, David is born the same year as I am,
10:24and so we've got the same song,
10:25but we have been known to be singing at four o'clock in the morning.
10:29Wow.
10:29Yeah.
10:29Are you far away from the neighbours?
10:31I mean, it was fine with that?
10:33We don't bother with neighbours.
10:34Fine.
10:34Good.
10:35That's exactly it.
10:36Put it on TikTok, Maureen.
10:38People love to see that.
10:39Oh, absolutely.
10:40Maureen, one of the songs, obviously, is, of course, singing in the rain.
10:44I mean, yeah.
10:45I mean, look, we've got some rehearsal footage here, though.
10:47It looks fantastic.
10:48I mean, how are you finding, you know, I guess at this stage,
10:51rehearsing all the big numbers?
10:54I'm just looking at myself and thinking, you idiot.
10:58No, I love it.
11:00It's a workout, but it is, you know, I'm not...
11:04The last time I did this sort of thing was 20 years ago.
11:07Wow.
11:08And so I'm finding it quite tough.
11:11But I have people around me.
11:13I have a very good director, choreographer, Stephen Mears,
11:15and I'm forever hopeful.
11:18I think people will really...
11:20It's unusual.
11:22Yeah.
11:23It sounds brilliant.
11:24It sounds like medicine.
11:25It sounds wonderful, Maureen.
11:27Yeah.
11:28You want to come?
11:29I want to come.
11:29I want to be there.
11:30Yeah, yeah, I want to be there.
11:31I want to hear the growling.
11:32What we've got is in every town we're asking a local choir
11:37to come in and sort of sing with us at the end, you know.
11:40It's a kind of pick-me-up feeling.
11:42Congrats on the singing role.
11:43Yeah, that's me.
11:43Yeah, there you go.
11:45That's it.
11:46And we had Hugh Jackman on the show this time last week.
11:49That would be that Australian boy who I once worked with.
11:52Yes.
11:52Yes.
11:53And you were in Oklahoma, weren't you, with him in the 90s.
11:56Are you still in touch with Hugh?
11:57Oh, yes.
11:58Yes, he's a very loyal chap.
12:01And, in fact, he invited me, when I was doing Corrie in Manchester,
12:04he invited me to come to his one-man show, which was phenomenal.
12:08I mean, he is a most exceptional performer.
12:11And I took six people from Coronation Street.
12:13I went shopping in the day.
12:15I went into his prayer circle.
12:17He invited me to come and sort of join in everybody
12:20while they had this kind of, it's going to be a great show.
12:22And then I sat in the auditorium and suddenly he stood,
12:27we've got in tonight, and he made me stand up and turn around.
12:30And it was only at the end of the show when Colson,
12:34who played the policeman in Corrie, he said to me,
12:36did you mean to have that in your ear?
12:39So I said, what?
12:40He said, that roller, did you mean to have it in your ear?
12:44I had a big yellow Velcro roller in my head all day.
12:48And I was, thank you, thank you.
12:50What a day.
12:51Keeping it real.
12:53Well, the Allegra tour starts in Brighton on the 12th of May.
12:57Best of luck with it.
12:58Yes, best of luck.
12:59Right, we're continuing the musical theme
13:01because Josh is here to talk about one of the great loves
13:05of his life, apart from his brand-new fiancée, Natalie,
13:08of course, film soundtracks.
13:10He's recorded all his favourite songs from the big screen
13:13for his new album.
13:14So let's take a look at some of the classics
13:16that have made the cut.
13:17Can you feel the love tonight?
13:24It is where we are
13:28You must remember this
13:35A kiss is just a kiss
13:39Let the sky fall
13:41When it crumbles
13:44We will stand tall
13:48We'll face it all together
13:51At skyfall
13:59Greg, no, Josh
14:00Nice choice of luck
14:01But you made it with a guy called Greg
14:04Yes, I did, yes
14:05Who's behind Wicked
14:08I respond to you
14:10But he did Wicked
14:11The Greatest Showman
14:12How did you choose that?
14:13Because there's so many tracks that you could have chosen for this
14:16The long list when you're trying to think of songs for something like this is very long
14:19Everybody has a favourite
14:20We certainly had our favourites
14:22And honestly, we just sang a lot at the piano
14:24We would just kind of allow ourselves hours to just say
14:27What about this?
14:28Or let's look up this lyric
14:29And we would sing stuff
14:30And, you know, the goosebumps don't lie
14:31When something feels right
14:33And your voice connects with it
14:34Or if it's a song that
14:36Even outside of the movie
14:37Really connects with your soul
14:39And it's a story you want to tell
14:40Or feels right for right now
14:41It actually came together quicker than we were expecting
14:44And so
14:44And then the arrangements would come in
14:46And we would say
14:46Absolutely
14:47They were just phenomenal
14:48I mean, we've got the track list
14:50That we can actually have a look at
14:51I mean, some fantastic ones
14:53In there
14:54A bit of Ghost Unchained Melody as well
14:56Yeah
14:56Oh, yeah
14:57Unchained Melody with my friend Jennifer Hudson
15:00And there are some amazing collaborations
15:01My dad is on the album
15:02It's a really, really fun
15:04I was going to say
15:05So your dad's on the album
15:07He is
15:08Because your dad plays trumpet, right?
15:10He does, yeah
15:10So my dad was an incredible jazz trumpet player in the 60s
15:14And then, you know, his parents said to him
15:16You know, look, if you want stability in your life
15:18Maybe they should put that away
15:19Make that a hobby
15:20So he went into other things
15:21But I brought him out 40 years later
15:24To perform with me on stage
15:25We never captured it or recorded it
15:27And I knew I was doing Moon River
15:29And there was a spot in the arrangement for a trumpet solo
15:31And I said, hey, if you really worked on this
15:32Do you think you could play?
15:33He's turning 80 this year, this summer
15:35And he rehearsed for three weeks
15:37And he absolutely nailed it
15:38How brilliant
15:39What a moment to have
15:40It's now my favourite track that I've ever recorded
15:43Is that one with him
15:43I totally can imagine that
15:44But there was one song
15:46That you wanted to put on this album
15:48That didn't quite make it in the end, right?
15:50Well, these are all very serious songs
15:52I've got kind of a dramatic voice
15:53So obviously, like, the arrangements
15:55Kind of drifted towards the dramatic songs
15:56I wish, and maybe on a cinematic too
15:59Some of the comedy songs could be represented
16:01I really wanted to do, like, I'm a Lumberjack
16:04I wanted to sing a Christopher
16:05Like a Waiting for Guffman song
16:07Penny for Your Thoughts would be amazing as a duet
16:09Yeah, I think something from Spinal Tap, perhaps
16:12There are some really awesome comedy songs
16:15That would be fun to do
16:16And I think that'll be the next one
16:18Stonehenge on the next one
16:19That's it, that's it, yeah
16:20Jeremy, obviously, we know you love music
16:22So if you were picking something
16:25What would you choose?
16:27I'm worried I'm going to give you a tricky one
16:28Because I turned 60 last year
16:30And I thought I would have my neighbours round
16:34To the local cinema
16:35To watch a film made in the year I was born
16:371965
16:38And there are two really big films
16:40Sound of Music
16:41Sure
16:41Or Fistful of Dollars
16:43You've got to go Fistful of Dollars
16:45Oh, yes
16:45And the trouble is that one is something
16:48Well, it's
16:49It's a whistle, isn't it?
16:51It is, but honestly
16:52And some of those
16:53Was that Morricone?
16:54Yes, exactly, yeah
16:54It's amazing
16:55So I've actually put lyrics to a Morricone song before
16:58Really?
16:59That melody, I mean
17:01We'll write some lyrics together
17:02It's that little stock that clock he has on it
17:03You're great with the words
17:04Yeah, yeah, okay, all right
17:05We'll turn that whistle into gold
17:07That's nice
17:08It's full of dollars, you might say
17:09So that would be mine
17:10I must say, hey, what a thought
17:12I'll talk to you after the show
17:13You could do Cinema Paradiso
17:14I have recorded it already
17:16Have you?
17:16Yeah, there were so many great ones
17:18We wanted to put on
17:18But some of them I've done already
17:19So, yeah, that one is also
17:20Available for streaming
17:24And also some of those
17:24You have sung on a film soundtrack, though
17:27Because you still believed
17:28I did
17:28In Polar Express
17:29And then you performed it at the Oscars
17:32Yes
17:32With Beyoncé
17:33That's right
17:34What was that like?
17:36Oh, my God
17:36It was so fun
17:37First of all, she was so sweet
17:38I couldn't even grow a beard
17:40When I did that with her
17:41I had so much fog
17:43I love the fact that I've got a Christmas song
17:45That has become one of those
17:47Take-off-the-shelf-every-year songs
17:49I love the book
17:49Polar Express
17:50And when Zemeckis and his team
17:52Asked me to sing that song
17:53I was so thrilled to be a part of that history
17:55And hopefully when I have a kid one day
17:57That'll be something they can play to
17:58That'll be a moment
17:59If that's not just a part of history
18:01You are fully immortalized within Hollywood
18:04Exciting news
18:04You've got a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame
18:06That's next week, right?
18:07Yeah
18:08Oh, man
18:08I just
18:09Growing up in Los Angeles especially
18:10And walking that street my whole life
18:13It's such an honour to have that
18:14Honestly
18:15It's going to be a really special day
18:17A lot of my friends and family are going to be there
18:18And yeah
18:20I mean, it's just
18:20It's been very
18:21The universe has been serendipitous
18:22With the songs that I'm recording right now
18:24And all the kind of things that have happened
18:26Around Hollywood right now
18:27And so
18:28Just so happy to be among so many of my heroes
18:30Just very quickly, if I can
18:31Sure
18:32Do you ever get to select where you go?
18:34No
18:35Or no
18:35It's just random?
18:36I have no choice
18:37It's not exactly random
18:38I think that like
18:39You know, my record label's gotten involved
18:41And kind of said
18:41Hey, it'd be cool to be here
18:42Yeah
18:42But I don't know if I'm allowed to say
18:44Where it's going to be
18:45You are
18:45Nobody's going to be
18:46Who's in this team?
18:47I will say
18:48I will say it's in front of
18:49One of my favourite record stores
18:50In the whole city
18:51Brilliant
18:52So it's going to be great
18:52Very good
18:53Right, we can find out
18:54We can find out
18:57Josh's album Cinematic
18:58Is out on Friday the 8th of May
19:00Still to come
19:01And Jeremy will be telling us
19:02About why he's turned a sleepy Devon town
19:05Into a hotbed of crime
19:07Just for his new novel, of course
19:09Yeah, but first
19:10Ahead of the anniversary of VE Day
19:12Next week
19:13JJ Chalmers
19:14Has been on a deeply personal journey
19:16To a place that shaped Britain's armed forces
19:18During World War II and beyond
19:24Hidden away in the highlands of Scotland
19:26Is a once secret location
19:28That helped change the course of World War II
19:31The birthplace of the special forces
19:36This part of the world
19:37Is very special to me
19:39I remember when I was 17 years old
19:42I visited a memorial just down the road
19:45That was to the commandos of the Second World War
19:48And it was there that I decided
19:51I wanted to try and become a commando myself
19:54It was a dream I realised in 2006
19:58I've now been given special permission
20:01To film at Inverilet House
20:03Where the first commandos trained
20:06In 1940, German forces were sweeping across Europe
20:10And British forces were no match for them
20:14Almost every time the British army had stood and fought
20:17It had been beaten by
20:20This extraordinary German war machine
20:23Monty Hald is also a former commando
20:26And he's written a book about Inverilet House
20:28And the clandestine work that went on here
20:31To beat the Germans
20:33The way the British army had operated
20:35Was based on very rigid hierarchy
20:37And what happened at Inverilet
20:39Is they all got together and said
20:41Right, we can't operate like that anymore
20:43So Churchill, amongst others
20:45Had this idea of creating a special training centre
20:47To try and create a new type of soldier
20:50So were they trying to create an elite?
20:54Yes, they had to create something
20:56That was a bit tougher
20:57And a bit more ruthless
20:58These small groups of highly mobile
21:01Very effective men
21:04Who essentially were raiders
21:06And they drove Hitler crazy
21:08Training was tough here
21:11Everything you needed for 24 to 36 hours
21:14Weighed about 22 pounds
21:16And that all started here
21:18This weight takes me straight back to training
21:20Wearing our own 22 pound packs
21:23Monty and I want to run in the footsteps of those first recruits
21:27Right, let's do it
21:29And see if we've still got what it takes
21:32The harshness of the terrain
21:34How primal, how raw it was
21:36And what it did to people was really important
21:38This is a man-breaking terrain
21:41You're not exactly selling the idea of running up this hill to me
21:45No
21:46Recruits were trained in unarmed combat
21:48Explosives and radio communications
21:51And they had to be fit
21:54These boys
21:56It's got a lot worse than I thought it was going to be
21:59But
22:01We made it
22:03This was the perfect area to transform men into soldiers
22:07And then soldiers into commandos
22:09But also women as well
22:11Trained up here
22:12And they were taught survival up here
22:15And how to move through country
22:16That big scene
22:17How to operate in remote areas
22:19Live off the land
22:20All that stuff
22:20Key skills
22:21Feet at the bottom
22:22Let's go
22:23The special operations executive
22:25Sent agents behind enemy lines to spy
22:28And disrupt the enemy
22:29Through diversion and sabotage
22:33The men and women who trained at Inver Eilat
22:36Had an outsized impact on the war
22:38One of their original instructors
22:40Was Duncan Chisholm
22:41He was in France during 1940 as a sniper
22:46Then he escaped Dunkirk
22:49And within a matter of weeks
22:51He was instructing field craft at Inver Eilat
22:54So that I guess the arts of camouflage, navigation
22:59And survival in the wilds
23:02So he was a gamekeeper
23:03And I guess all of these skills
23:07Came very naturally to him
23:09So he had skills that predated the war
23:12You know, from growing up in a world like this
23:16Yeah
23:16How proud are you of his service?
23:19Ah, incredibly proud, yeah
23:21The whole family are incredibly proud
23:24Of everything that he's...
23:26That he achieved in his life
23:28Hadn't truly realised how important Inver Eilat House was
23:32To the outcome of the war
23:33And it's been a privilege to honour the memory
23:36Of those who fought seemingly impossible odds
23:38And won
23:42Ah, it's such a fascinating story
23:44In Monty Hall's book, Churchill's Killing House
23:46The Origins of World War II's legendary commando fighting force
23:50Will be out on May 7th
23:51And big thanks as well to JJ
23:53Absolutely
23:54Right, so talking of Goodreads
23:55Jeremy's been delving into the world of murder mysteries once again
23:58And after the success of his last book
24:01His leading character, Edward
24:02A radio DJ, of course
24:03Turned amateur detective
24:05Is back
24:06So what mystery is Edward solving this time then?
24:09This is called Turn the Dial for Death
24:11A man is found
24:13A doctor is found
24:14Dead in a forest
24:15In a linen suit
24:16Lying on his back
24:18With a kind of wound in his chest
24:19From a crossbow bolt
24:21And his wife is the obvious suspect
24:24Because she bought the crossbow
24:25But she has the perfect alibi
24:27She's in the cinema
24:28Watching a Marvel film
24:29The trouble is
24:30She doesn't like Marvel films
24:32And she goes to Edward
24:34And says
24:34You've got to clear my name
24:35Because everyone thinks I'm guilty
24:37And that's it
24:38That's the start of it
24:39There you go
24:39I know you've said this before
24:41I think last time you came in
24:42You were saying that
24:42Obviously you get really inspired by Agatha Christie
24:45Of course
24:46But there's certain rules of hers
24:48In her writing
24:49That you want to follow as well
24:50Yeah, I mean Agatha was the greatest
24:51I think we think she might have sold 4 billion
24:543 or 4 billion
24:55Crazy
24:55It's almost as many as the Bible
24:57And her rules have recently been put together
24:59By somebody very clever
25:00Who said
25:00Play fair was the main rule
25:02You can't have the murderer
25:03Suddenly appear just on page 209
25:05For three paragraphs
25:07And then reappear at the very end
25:08But that said
25:10She did the best genre twisting thing ever
25:13Which is when she created the unreliable narrator
25:16And I won't say which book it was
25:17But the guy who tells you the whole story
25:19Through his own eyes
25:20But he's lying
25:21So she created a lot of the framework for this
25:24She was truly amazing
25:25She died when I was 11
25:26You know
25:281976
25:30Extraordinary woman
25:30And still
25:31Still the greatest
25:33Yeah
25:33Well it worked for her
25:35The rules
25:35So it's a good way to follow
25:36The rules were
25:3666 books
25:37I read them as a teenager
25:38My first was when I was 11
25:40Hercule Poirot's Christmas
25:41And then I was just hooked
25:42Through my teenage years
25:43And now she's got this incredible revival going on
25:46You know
25:46It's incredible
25:46And you've been counting down
25:48To the release
25:48On TikTok
25:49With some brilliant videos
25:51But the one we liked most
25:52Is you
25:54Smelling
25:54The new books
25:55Oh yes
25:56This is embarrassing
25:57Well it's true
25:58If you ever
25:59Oh god
26:00I haven't seen this day
26:01But when they send you the books
26:03And you sort of
26:04Sniff them
26:05It's a moment
26:06I can tell you
26:07The smell of books is incredible
26:08If I've ever found
26:09Unconscious
26:10You can just say
26:11Look
26:11I mean he OD'd on one of his own books
26:13It's roses
26:14It's carnations
26:15It's geraniums
26:16It's every flower
26:17It's incredible
26:18The smell of your own book
26:20I mean
26:20Am I getting this to you
26:22Yeah absolutely
26:23I can see how much
26:25You're enjoying it
26:26That's it
26:27But look
26:27The thing I'm most excited about
26:29Is that obviously
26:29Your first book
26:30Such a huge hit
26:31Thank you
26:32Talks of a TV adaptation
26:34Exciting
26:34And not just on top of that
26:36The cast is so key
26:38But there's a certain actor
26:39I know that you've really got in mind
26:40Well your brilliant producer
26:41Was saying to me
26:41Who would play
26:42I almost said you
26:43But of course
26:44Edward the presenter
26:44Is not based on me
26:46He's slightly paranoid
26:47Insecure
26:48And always worried
26:49That a younger person
26:49Is going to replace him
26:50So that's definitely not me
26:51Not you
26:52But I think Jason Isaacs
26:54Is so good
26:55White Lotus
26:56Yeah
26:57Are there any crabby
26:58There he is
26:59Look at that
26:59Yeah
27:00Well I've got
27:01Yes I have got a role
27:02Crabby old women
27:02Not crabby
27:04But she's a very
27:05Very lovable
27:07Genteel
27:08Intelligent
27:08Yes Maureen
27:10Her name is Barbara Sinka
27:12You're just casting
27:12You're just casting each other
27:13In everything
27:13Yeah
27:13He is a brilliant singer
27:16As well
27:16What
27:17Who regularly appears
27:18At the Clock Tower Cafe
27:19So basically
27:20Or does he
27:21Yeah
27:23It's perfect
27:24And dispenses clues
27:25But you were in
27:26Father Brown Maureen
27:27Thank you
27:28Do you like a murder mystery
27:29And trying to solve it
27:30Or did you skip right to the end
27:31Of the script
27:32Just to see
27:33I just read my bit
27:34And I had looked at the clothes
27:37They were nice
27:38I'm not someone
27:39With respect
27:40Who cares
27:41Who done it
27:42I did have a period
27:43Where I read
27:44Agatha Christie
27:44Constantly
27:45Right through
27:46And then I realised
27:47There was no character
27:48In it
27:48Unlike your book
27:49Well it's funny
27:50You say that
27:51I mean
27:51Death on the Nile
27:52Was 55,000 words
27:53I think
27:54Which is the realest
27:55Achievement
27:55Because most people
27:56Who wrote that now
27:57Would write it twice as long
27:58But yeah
27:59I think that it's like
28:01A crossword
28:02That's the joy of it
28:03It's like sitting down
28:04With a crossword
28:05And you're trying to solve it
28:06Do you write backwards
28:06No
28:07Although I did meet
28:08Someone the other day
28:09Who starts
28:09Who writes the whole book
28:10Without
28:10Only the crime
28:12And then decides
28:12In the last chapter
28:13Who the killer is
28:14And then writes backwards
28:16But I think I start
28:17With the crime
28:18And you've got to start
28:19By giving somebody
28:20A question
28:21And a puzzle
28:21To solve
28:22Yeah and to drop
28:22The clues and the hints
28:24You need to know
28:25The pattern surely
28:26You need to know
28:26Where it's going
28:27I think so
28:27I think you've got to
28:28Know where it's going
28:29Yeah
28:29I mean the first job
28:31I had was on
28:31The Coventry Evening Telegraph
28:32And I had to
28:33I thought I'm going to be
28:34Investigating all these crimes
28:35As a young reporter
28:36And I basically ended up
28:38Just reporting on the theft
28:39Of my own car
28:40It was stolen every few days
28:42And I think that's how I
28:43Got a picture
28:43Well there we are
28:44Someone said you've got this picture
28:45So basically in those days
28:47You could buy
28:47My car radio was always being stolen
28:50So I bought a detachable radio
28:51Which I walked around with
28:53The whole time
28:53And then the car was stolen
28:55So I only had the radio
28:56Wow
28:57So that was my start
28:58Of a life in crime
28:59No this is your proper
29:02Career in crime
29:03Yeah exactly
29:03Jeremy's new book
29:04Turn the Dial for Death
29:05Is out now
29:06And that's all
29:07We've got time for tonight
29:08Thank you very much
29:08To our lovely guests
29:09Yes we'll be back tomorrow
29:11With Sir Lenny Henry
29:12For his first stand-up tour
29:13In 16 years
29:14Luther's star
29:15Warren Brown
29:16And Michelle O'Gunderhin
29:17From Interior Design Masters
29:19We'll see you there
29:19Bye bye
29:20Wow
29:23Wow
29:26Wow
29:26Wow
29:26Wow
29:26Wow
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