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00:00is over. The federal investigation is over because the man in charge of the federal
00:05investigation says she ran him over. In an exclusive interview with the New York Times
00:12yesterday, Donald Trump said she ran him over. She didn't try to run him over. She ran him
00:19over. That is a lie. But that is the conclusion of the man in charge of the federal investigation
00:26of a federal ICE agent shooting and killing an unarmed 37 year old mother who was committing
00:31no crime. To prove his point, Donald Trump summoned a staff member with a laptop to show
00:37a video of the shooting. It's one of the videos that we've all seen. And of course, it shows
00:42that she did not run him over. Donald Trump's FBI has decided to break with standard practice
00:50in this case and conduct an investigation without including state and local law enforcement
00:55in their federal investigation. That means there will be no real federal investigation.
01:00Donald Trump's attorney general and Donald Trump's FBI director know that they and everyone working
01:05for them must do everything they can to support Donald Trump's lie she ran him over.
01:10The way to do that is to not interview witnesses and not reveal any of the investigative material
01:17that they collect in their investigation. They will not interview the ICE agent who pulled
01:23the trigger because they don't want him saying anything that could cause problems for him
01:28in future litigation or future investigations, which could include civil litigation.
01:35This was homicide. Not all homicide is criminal. The term homicide simply means that a person
01:42was killed by another person. In any homicide investigation, the two most important places
01:48to begin are with the weapon and the body. The FBI run by Donald Trump has the weapon. They have
01:57the gun,
01:58but that's all they have. According to the Minneapolis mayor's office, the Hennepin County medical examiner
02:05has the body and the body tells a story that no other evidence can. That means the Hennepin County medical
02:13examiner also has the bullets or the single bullet that entered the body and killed Renee Good.
02:22Using the trajectory of bullets through a body, a medical examiner can tell us which bullet was the deadly
02:30bullet. A medical examiner can tell us which way she was facing or turning when she was hit by that
02:38bullet. Was it the first bullet, the second bullet, the third shot fired? In this case, investigators freeze
02:45framing the video can determine based on the medical examiner's findings, whether the first shot that
02:53appeared to go through the windshield was a miss and matching this freeze frame to the trajectory of the
03:04bullets and the bullet in the body. Investigators could determine which of those bullets fired from
03:12the position beside the car was the deadly shot, was that one. You see that hand extended, that single one
03:21hand on the gun extended to the car, which is beyond the shooter. Now he's not, he's no longer just
03:28beside
03:29that window. That car is beyond him. He's still shooting at that woman, posing absolutely no threat
03:36to him at that time. With that gun extended, aimed to that driver, there is no threat to the person
03:43firing
03:43that gun. Was that shot the fatal shot? Medical examiner might be able to determine that. That shot was
03:53fired from beside the car. The car was moving away from all of the ICE agents at that time,
03:58posing a threat to absolutely no one. The agent firing that shot from beside the car was in
04:04absolutely no danger when he was standing beside the car that had passed him already at that point.
04:12Still shot. Of course, in a proper investigation, the ballistics evidence from the bullet itself would
04:18be used to determine the exact sequence of the shot. The ballistics evidence from the gun
04:25matters. That tells us the sequence of shots. But the FBI has the gun. And the FBI controls the
04:32ballistics evidence that is in their possession. When the shots are fired into cars, most of the time
04:38they miss their target in the cars. Most police bullets fired at or into cars miss. And the bullets that
04:48miss
04:49are found somewhere in the car. We do not know tonight if the FBI is in possession of bullets
04:58found in the car. And it may be that no bullets were actually lodged in the body. It is possible
05:03that the fatal bullet passed through the body. But it is very likely that the medical examiner is in
05:09possession of at least one bullet. So the FBI cannot possibly conduct a real investigation
05:16without the medical examiner's cooperation. And most importantly, Donald Trump's federal
05:23government cannot control the findings of the medical examiner. Donald Trump can control everything
05:29else but not the autopsy report. Donald Trump will do what he has to do. And if that involves
05:36suppressing evidence, then everyone working for Donald Trump and the FBI and the Justice Department
05:40is obviously more than eager to do that, as they have demonstrated by Donald Trump's former criminal
05:45defense lawyer, who is now the deputy attorney general going to Florida to interview Donald Trump's
05:49old friend, Ghislaine Maxwell, who was convicted of sex trafficking with Donald Trump's other old
05:53friend, the now dead Jeffrey Epstein. That was a case study in the suppression of evidence about
05:59Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell by Donald Trump's personal criminal defense lawyer, who now
06:04serves as his deputy attorney general and will no doubt be functioning in effect as the personal
06:10criminal defense lawyer of the ICE agent who killed Renee Good. J.D. Vance tried to supercharge his
06:17presidential campaign today by taking to the White House press briefing room to call Renee Good
06:24a deranged leftist, end quote. How does he know that? He offered absolutely no suggestion about how he
06:33knows anything about her. In fact, he knows nothing about her. He also went there to declare Donald
06:41Trump's deadly force of ICE agents are licensed to kill. That's what J.D. Vance in effect said,
06:49and he extended that license in effect to every federal agent working for Donald Trump. J.D. Vance,
06:56a graduate of Yale Law School, disgraced that institution once again by telling this lie about
07:02the agent who killed Renee Good. Quote, that guy is protected by absolute immunity. The unprecedented
07:10thing is the idea that a local official can actually prosecute a federal official with absolute immunity.
07:17That is not unprecedented, as Yale Law School could have taught him. On this program last night,
07:24you heard former FBI agent Ron D'Amico talk about a local prosecution of an FBI agent, a case that
07:30he was
07:30very familiar with. And in that case, the FBI agent was actually found not guilty in that local
07:36prosecution. J.D. Vance was more careful than Donald Trump on only one point. Instead of telling the
07:44provable lie, she ran him over, J.D. Vance said, quote, she was trying to ram this guy with her
07:53car.
07:54And J.D. Vance was right to say that some of what happened on that street is something that we
08:00could
08:00debate. J.D. Vance said, look, if people want to say that we should have a legitimate debate about,
08:06you know, what was she really doing, right? Was she panicking when she drove into this officer,
08:11or was she actually trying to ram him? That's a reasonable conversation. And the place for that
08:19reasonable conversation is a courtroom or a grand jury room. If this case were to make it to court
08:28as a criminal case or as a civil rights wrongful death lawsuit, then the defense would obviously be
08:35that she tried to run the officer down with her car. Tried to. And a jury could watch the video
08:41and
08:42listen to other eyewitnesses. And in a criminal case, make a decision beyond a reasonable doubt,
08:47or in a civil case, make a decision based simply on what is more likely. The standard of proof in
08:53a
08:53civil case is lower than in a criminal case. So J.D. Vance says that it is legitimate to debate
08:59exactly
09:00what was happening on that street. And he supports Donald Trump in refusing to have
09:06a real investigation of what happened on that street. And he immediately concludes that there
09:12really is nothing to debate. J.D. Vance said, quote, the reason this woman is dead is because she tried
09:18to ram somebody with her car and that guy acted in self-defense. So there's the vice president of the
09:24United States with his case closed declaration about exactly the kind of case the federal government
09:30would investigate carefully if anyone other than Donald Trump were president of the United States.
09:36After hearing the vice president's final judgment on the case, one reporter asked J.D. Vance if he had
09:41access to any information at all about the case that was not already public. And he didn't. He doesn't
09:51know anything that we don't know. So J.D. Vance is working with exactly the same evidence that all the
09:57rest of us have. And in a second point of disgrace for Yale Law School, J.D. Vance suggested that
10:03something that happened six months ago in a different town was a reason to shoot and kill Rene Good.
10:14J.D. Vance said, quote, that very ICE officer nearly had his life ended dragged by a car six months
10:24ago,
10:2433 stitches in his leg. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him
10:30with an automobile? Yes, J.D. Vance, I do think he's a little bit sensitive about that. That's a very
10:38good
10:38point, Mr. Vice President. And that is a reason why that ICE agent should not be on the street
10:44after an incident like that, because we cannot trust the judgment of angry men with guns who bring
10:50previous experiences to their next law enforcement encounter and decide to shoot and kill in exactly
10:57the same situation where this same agent six months ago decided not to shoot and kill.
11:03And the person this agent decided not to shoot six months ago is now in prison awaiting sentencing
11:16for interfering with a federal agent. Following the Minnesota Star Tribune, MSNOW identified the ICE
11:25officer who fatally shot Rene Good as Jonathan Ross. The New York Times has confirmed that identification
11:30an affidavit filed in the United States of America versus Roberto Carlos Munoz on June 17th of last
11:36year included a description by an FBI agent who investigated the case of what happened to Jonathan
11:43Ross in that incident. The affidavit says that he approached Munoz's car knowing that Munoz had
11:48previously been arrested for sexual abuse and that Munoz was a citizen of Guatemala. And so they went to
11:55arrest him at his residence in Bloomington, Minnesota. They found Munoz in his car. The affidavit says
12:02that Jonathan Ross, quote, approached the driver's side window of Munoz's vehicle and commanded Munoz to
12:07place the vehicle in park. The arrow officer unholstered his taser with his left hand and pointed it at
12:14Munoz's chest. The ERO officer's commands were made in both English and Spanish while the ERO officer's
12:21right arm was inside the vehicle. Munoz put the vehicle in drive. The ERO officer's right arm was
12:26caught in the vehicle. As Munoz fled, the ERO officer was dragged along with the vehicle as Munoz
12:32drove away. Jonathan Ross was hanging in that window, being dragged by the, by it being stuck in the
12:38window of that car for about a hundred yards before he was able to get his arm out of there
12:41and fall to
12:42the street. Roberto Munoz was arrested about a mile from the scene. The affidavit shows photographs
12:50of officer Ross's injuries, including a photograph of 20 stitches required in his right arm, along with
12:5613 stitches in his left hand. So that's how Jonathan Ross approached a car six months ago.
13:04And J.D. Vance thinks because of that, quote, maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody
13:12ramming him with an automobile. In other words, J.D. Vance thinks another car, Jonathan Ross approaches,
13:19which is not being driven by anyone who has ever been charged with a crime, a car that's being
13:24driven by an American citizen, a car that is being driven by a mother of three. When that agent walks
13:30up to that car, that person might just get killed because of what someone else did six months ago.
13:37And that's true. That is the human truth of police work. That is the human reality of police work.
13:43Law enforcement is populated by human beings, human beings who have resentment, human beings who have
13:49angers. But unlike the rest of us, they are not allowed, they are not legally allowed to indulge
13:55their resentments and their angers in the line of duty with guns in their hands.
14:01And that's exactly why, after what happened to Jonathan Ross six months ago, he should not have
14:07been on the streets looking for trouble or causing trouble. There's plenty of work to do in federal,
14:14in the federal government indoors, at ICE headquarters, in the ICE office. That's where you keep him after
14:21an experience like that six months ago.
14:25Now, four years from now, with the new attorney general appointed by a Democratic president,
14:30and a new U.S. attorney in Minneapolis appointed by a Democratic president, Jonathan Ross could be
14:37subject to an honest federal investigation of what happened on that street. And so, if you think Donald
14:46Trump did a lot of pardoning on his first day in office, on his last day in office, he could
14:54be
14:54pardoning every single member of Trump's deadly force. Leading off our discussion tonight is Professor
15:04Lawrence Tribe, who has taught constitutional law at Harvard Law School for five decades. Professor Tribe,
15:09very eager to get your view of the intersection of federal state law, federal state jurisdictions here.
15:17Before saying anything more, I want to say how sad I am at the terrible fate that Renee Good
15:29suffered for simply being where she had a right to be and exercising her First Amendment rights.
15:37She had a First Amendment right to be observing and making recordings of what ICE was doing,
15:45and apparently to listen to the president, to listen to the vice president and Kristi Noem,
15:53when you are objecting to ICE because of its violence and its cruelty and documenting what they're doing,
16:04you are obstructing them and giving them license to kill. That's not our law.
16:11So, only seven circuits of the 11 have considered the question of whether the First Amendment includes a
16:20right to make video recordings of what federal officials are doing. And all seven have said,
16:28yes, there is such a right. Now, the question is, when someone is exercising that right and an officer,
16:37a federal officer comes up and shoots her dead, what law applies?
16:45So, to listen to J.D. Vance, there's some magic that happens. The officer is kind of surrounded by a
16:55bubble of absolute immunity, something like what President Trump was given by the Supreme Court.
17:02But there is no such bubble. There is a qualified immunity. But the state laws of murder, the state
17:11laws of assault and other generally applicable state laws continue to apply even to a federal officer.
17:19The principle goes back to 1890, at the very least. And there was an extraordinary exchange in which
17:28Justice Stephen Field, a Supreme Court justice, was encountered at a railway station in California
17:39by a former California Supreme Court justice. And the California justice decided to assault
17:48Stephen Field. There had been a long resentment between them. And this guy decides, because he is
17:57deputized by the attorney general to protect Stephen Field, as a federal official, he shoots the assailant
18:07in order to defend the justice. California proceeded to put the guy on trial for murder,
18:16and the U.S. Supreme Court said it's a close case. But in this case, he was exercising his federal
18:24role
18:25and going no further than he needed to, to protect the Supreme Court justice. So he was immune.
18:34But that conclusion followed a long analysis. It wasn't simply announced
18:40from the press room by some president or vice president. The law ever since then, for about 140 years,
18:48has been very clear that if you are engaged in a federal job, including a federal job of investigating,
18:58the federal job of going after immigrants the way ICE does, the only immunity you have if you violate a
19:09state law against doing grave bodily harm is the immunity that you get when you are exercising your job and
19:20going no further than reasonably necessary. And all of us who watched those very sad videos from every angle
19:30could say that it didn't look like it was reasonably necessary for Jonathan Ross to kill this woman.
19:39On the contrary, she wasn't doing any of the things that the president and the vice president
19:44and Kristi Noem lied and accused her of doing. So it looks like a reasonable investigation would come to
19:54the conclusion that there was no immunity. But to avoid that investigation, these federal officials,
20:02the president, the vice president, the secretary of the Homeland Security Department, all of them,
20:12having reached a conclusion, don't really want a meaningful investigation. So they want to make
20:18it harder for the state to prosecute the case. For example, they are not likely, as you said, to turn
20:26over the gun, without which, even though the coroner may find some of the bullets, without the gun, it's going
20:35to
20:35be harder. The fact, however, is that if the state does prosecute, what's likely to happen is that the federal
20:46officials are likely to try to remove the case to federal court. And under a federal law, 28 U.S.
20:54Code, Section
20:561442, under that law, they might be likely to succeed in getting it moved. But even if the forum is
21:06changed,
21:07the prosecutors would still be the state prosecutors from Hennepin County. Now, what is gained by tying
21:16their hands, by withholding evidence from them? Nothing. It's simply an obstruction of justice.
21:23And it may well be that a federal court would put pressure through a writ of mandamus, put pressure
21:33on the Federal Bureau of Investigation to share some of its evidence with the state. But as you point out,
21:42in any case, unless the current president on his way out, grants a pardon to this officer who,
21:51perhaps because of his PTSD, killed an innocent woman, if the president on his way out doesn't grant that
22:02pardon, the next attorney general and the next Justice Department will hopefully be able to prosecute.
22:09So the intersection of state and federal power here is intricate. But one thing is clear,
22:17it is nothing like what the vice president, who should have known better, I think Yale Law School
22:23teaches better. Nothing like what the vice president claimed. Among his misrepresentations,
22:32apart from his misrepresentative facts, was that he completely misrepresented the law.
22:39And we are witnessing a lawless administration terrorizing communities, endangering lives in the name of
22:49making us safer, and then trying to cover up what really happened. It's disgraceful,
22:56and it should make us all sad about where we find ourselves.
23:01Professor Lawrence Tribe, always an honor to have you join us. We just learned a lot. Thank you very
23:06much for starting off our coverage tonight. Thank you.
23:09And coming up, we'll show you a New York Times assembly of multiple videos of the shooting,
23:14including the video that Donald Trump is relying on. That's next.
23:20The New York Times has assembled multiple available videos of the shooting and provides this analysis.
23:29This is the agent who shoots the driver. He walks around the car filming and disappears from view.
23:36Other agents pull up and order the driver to exit her vehicle.
23:43One of them grabs at the door handle and reaches inside.
23:48The SUV reverses, then turns right, apparently attempting to leave.
23:53At the same time, the agent filming crosses toward the left of the vehicle and grabs his gun.
23:58He opens fire on the motorist and continues shooting as she drives past.
24:04The moment the agent fires, he is standing here, to the left of the SUV,
24:08and the wheels are pointing to the right, away from the agent.
24:11Shame! Shame!
24:13This appears to conflict with allegations that the SUV was ramming or about to ram the officer.
24:20President Trump and others said the federal agent was hit by the SUV,
24:24often pointing to another video filmed from a different angle.
24:29And it's true that at this moment, in this grainy low-resolution footage, it does look like the agent is
24:35being struck by the SUV.
24:37But when we synchronize it with the first clip, we can see the agent is not being run over.
24:42In fact, his feet are positioned away from the SUV.
24:48Joining us now is Kirk Burkhalter, criminal law professor at New York Law School, where he is the director of
24:53the 21st Century Policing Project.
24:55He's a former NYPD detective.
24:57Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
24:59There are two tactical points here that I'd like you to take a look at.
25:04One is, we see in the New York Times video, the shooter, when this begins, the only thing he's doing
25:12with his hands is he has his phone up, using it as apparently a video camera.
25:17So when the shooting occurs, he apparently has the camera in one hand and the gun in the other,
25:25one-handed shooting with the gun in just his right hand.
25:33Yes. You know, in my experience, if you are in a situation where your firearm has to be out,
25:41or you're contemplating using your firearm, you're going to use both hands.
25:46It's more important to hold that firearm properly, maintain control over it,
25:52get an accurate fix on your target rather than to also use your cell phone in any manner.
26:00So that is quite odd, to say the least.
26:03Yeah. And what does it do to the necessary judgment and focus when you've got, you know,
26:09your left hand is doing one thing, which requires one section of the brain, that video,
26:13and then your right hand is doing the most important thing it can do?
26:18Well, yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
26:20The most important thing you can do.
26:22The use of a firearm in some type of combat situation is probably one of the most
26:26serious things any person is ever going to have to do in their life.
26:32And in a perfect world, all your attention would be focused on that firearm.
26:38I don't see in any way that the phone would provide any defensive capabilities whatsoever.
26:47But there's also a larger point here that's reflected on the conversation you have of your
26:53last guest and here. And it's often lost in these situations. And that is the sanctity of life.
27:01And we can kind of look at the nuances as to the way the wheels were turned and whether necessary
27:07force was used. But at the end of the day, do the actions represent, are they reflective of someone
27:14who respects the sanctity of life? And that's mission number one for law enforcement.
27:20And as a matter of fact, when we think about law enforcement, that's what we think of.
27:24That's what we are here to protect. So all of these actions, this one hand on the
27:33firearm, another hand on the cell phone, firing multiple shots while standing next to the car,
27:40certainly darn near shooting a fleeing felon. Do these actions represent the sanctity of life?
27:49After all, that's the spirit of the law. And that's what the law is meant to protect. So
27:55that's also the larger conversation here. All these points feed into that, or funnel rather,
28:01into that one point. The other tactical point of interest here is that only, only one agent on that
28:09scene fires a gun. Every other agent on the scene makes the judgment that that's not necessary. And the
28:17first agent to actually touch the car who's reaching in, uh, who's, who's doing what the, uh, the FBI
28:25report indicates, uh, that agent Ross was doing six months ago, reaching his arm into the car. He's
28:31the closest to the driver. That agent never even considers taking out his gun. And he's the one who's
28:38absolutely closest to the driver during most of that action.
28:43Well, Lawrence, it's a very dangerous thing to fire, uh, a gun at a vehicle where, uh,
28:48someone is driving because we saw exactly what the result is. When that driver is incapacitated,
28:54that car is tank turned or into a dangerous weapon. It just keeps going. And it's amazing that no one
29:00else was injured or killed in most jurisdictions. Well, I won't say most jurisdictions, but in many
29:06jurisdictions, there are prohibitions against even firing a weapon at a car, even if that car is
29:11being used as a weapon, unless there is another weapon in particular, New York has a rule like
29:17that. So it's very dangerous to begin with. And most of the time, uh, you'll see someone trying
29:22to reach into car and do something else or simply step out of the way. And, uh, without the Monday
29:31morning quarterbacking, you can look at this video and make a determination for yourself, whether that
29:36someone could have stepped out of the way, whatever this person was wanted for, uh, certainly wasn't a
29:41felony. It wasn't a capital offense. Uh, if, when the victim, if she flees the scene, all they have
29:48to do is go to her home and arrest her. So, uh, there were many options, um, to, uh, combat
29:55the use
29:56of this vehicle in whatever manner it was being used here. But as we pointed out earlier, uh, has been
30:02pointed out earlier, uh, it appears that the wheels were turned and the victim was simply
30:07trying to drive off. Law professor Kirk Burkhalter, former NYPD detective. Thank you very much for
30:14joining us tonight. You're quite welcome, Lawrence. And coming up, Congressman Ro Khanna is asking a
30:20judge now to force Donald Trump's justice department to release the Epstein files as required by the law.
30:26Ro Khanna wrote and was passed by the house and the Senate with only one vote against it. That's next.
30:36As first reported by MS now today, Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna and Republican Congressman
30:42Thomas Massey, the coauthors of the Epstein files transparency act have formally asked a federal judge to
30:48appoint a special master and independent monitor to compel the Trump justice department to release all of
30:55the Epstein files. The Congressman writing in a letter to us district judge Paul Engelmeyer said the
31:02department failed to meet the acts requirements in multiple respects, including missing the statutory
31:07deadline, asserting common law privileges that the act does not permit and applying extensive
31:13redactions that appear inconsistent with the acts expressed prohibition on withholding or redacting
31:19records to protect politically exposed persons. Put simply, the department of justice cannot be trusted
31:25with making mandatory disclosures under the act. Congressman Kanna was also part of a group of
31:31Democrats in the House Oversight Committee who wrote to Republican Chairman James Comer today demanding
31:36that he compel Attorney General Pam Bondi to testify at a hearing on the Epstein files release. And
31:42joining us now is Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna of California. Thank you very much for joining us
31:47tonight, Congressman Kanna. So the the special master request by a judge procedurally, this is the kind of a
31:54request that's made all the time in various forms of litigation. And judges usually make it on the
32:00decision on the basis of is there any other way for this to be handled fairly? And if not, we
32:07may need
32:07a special master. So this could be the key that unlocks this lock. You're absolutely right, Lawrence. Judge
32:16Engelmeyer has been very thoughtful and deliberate about his rulings. He has cited the Epstein Transparity,
32:24Act, saying the DOJ has an obligation to release the documents. And Pam Bondi has been communicating
32:31with the judge saying we still have two million documents to release. Two-thirds of the attorneys
32:37in the Southern District of New York are working on this right now. And so what we're saying is Judge
32:42Engelmeyer appoint a special master so that we know that we're getting the information that the law
32:49requires. The DOJ has not been providing that. They have been engaged in excessive redactions.
32:55Why don't you ensure that the law is being followed? And a special master like that really reports to the
33:02judge. The judge can check in on the special master. How many documents now? How's the progress going?
33:07They schedule regular meetings in court with those kinds of special masters, don't they?
33:13Absolutely. And it's a common practice when you have millions of documents involved.
33:17When you literally have two-thirds of our lawyers in the Southern District of New York,
33:21one of the most important U.S. Attorney's Office working on this, when the country is looking at
33:28what should happen, what this says is the special master will look at the law, the plain reading of
33:33the law, and will determine what should come out and what should be protected. Frankly,
33:38the DOJ should welcome this, have an independent person. I'm not, we're not saying Massey or I
33:43should do it. We're not saying the survivor's lawyer should do it. We're just saying have a
33:46judge appoint an independent person to interpret the statue and have a release of these documents.
33:53And this is such an interesting angle on this because normally between the executive branch and
33:58the legislative branch, when there's an issue of this sort, it gets worked out and it gets worked
34:04out in good faith. And the executive branch might say, well, look, this has taken us longer than we
34:09thought. They come over, they explain why, they show you why, you go, okay. But since this is so
34:15contentious and they are obviously so untrustworthy, this is what has forced you to court.
34:21It's unfortunate. We tried to extend the benefit of the doubt. Thomas Massey and I requested meetings
34:26with the Department of Justice. We requested with Bradley Edwards, who was the lawyer for the
34:30survivors saying at least consult the survivors. As you remember, they didn't even call the survivors
34:36of the survivors' lawyers on the first release. We didn't criticize them until that first release.
34:42But now, weeks after the deadline, they have not explained the redactions. By their own admission,
34:48they have millions of documents. And our interest is not to score points against Pam Bondi. Our interest
34:53is the survivors. We just want these documents released, especially the 302 statements where the
34:58survivors named the other rich and powerful men who were involved in the rapes and in the abuse. And
35:04I have extraordinary confidence in Judge Engelmayer. His decisions have been very thoughtful. And I
35:11believe he would appoint a person of integrity to oversee this process. And that would be a huge
35:18breakthrough. Congressman Ro Khanna, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you.
35:22Coming up this afternoon, a group of House Republicans joined the Democrats to defy Donald Trump and pass
35:28a Democratic bill to restore Affordable Care Act subsidies. Congressman Brendan Boyle,
35:34who helped force that vote in the House, joins us next.
35:39Today in the United States Senate, five Republican senators rebelled against Donald Trump and voted
35:44with the Democrats to advance a war powers resolution that would require congressional approval
35:50before Donald Trump can expand any military action in Venezuela. And Donald Trump responded the
35:57only way he knows how on social media. Donald Trump said Republicans should be ashamed of the senators
36:02that just voted with Democrats and attempted to take away our power to fight and defend the United
36:07States of America. Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Rand Paul, Josh Hawley and Todd Young should never be
36:13elected to office again. That is something no other president ever says about members of his own party
36:20who cast a vote that the president doesn't like. That's a Trump thing. Republican Senator Rand Paul of
36:27Kentucky said this. If a Congress actually had gumption or a Congress actually had wherewithal,
36:35a Congress could check a president. That's the way our founding fathers intended it to be.
36:41And in the House of Representatives, with Speaker Mike Johnson's majority shrinking,
36:46Donald Trump faced another Republican rebellion. 17 Republicans joined every Democrat in a 230 to 196
36:54vote to restore Affordable Care Act health care tax credits for three years. That is the Democratic
37:01proposal all along. Congressman Brendan Boyle, one of the Democrats who forced that vote to happen
37:07through a discharge petition. And joining us now is Democratic Congressman Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania.
37:12He's the ranking member of the Budget Committee, member of the House Ways and Means Committee.
37:17Congressman Boyle, this this was just impossible territory a short time ago. But the rebellion
37:24apparently is underway with some Republicans in some situations. You know, today was a good day.
37:31The fact that every single House Democrat and a surprisingly high number of House Republicans
37:37actually joined together to do the right thing and pass a clean three-year extension of the Obamacare
37:44credits. So the fact that we were able to pass this despite a Republican majority who opposed it
37:50and despite a Speaker of the House who opposed it, now it goes to the Senate where Republican senators
37:55will be under pressure. Are they going to listen to the overwhelming majority of the American people
38:01who want these Obamacare credits extended? Or are they going to continue to follow what Donald Trump
38:08orders them to do? As we go forward, what else can we expect with this now that there is a
38:15possibility
38:16of rebellion in the House in numbers that can actually pass bills? Well, it's pretty remarkable when
38:23you consider the fact that until the last couple of months, only two discharge petitions had ever
38:28succeeded, succeeded this century. And now we have had three succeed just in the last six weeks.
38:35So it shows you what a weak position the Republican speaker is in and then also President Trump is
38:41in. As you see Donald Trump's numbers continue to fall, I think we're only going to see more
38:47rebellions on more votes from Republicans who are starting to get very nervous about that midterm
38:54election, which is literally only 10, 11 months away. And let's remember what this vote was about
38:59for the audience. The Congressional Budget Office, the experts on these estimates say that with this
39:05vote today, if this becomes law, 100,000 people this year will be able to obtain health insurance that they
39:12wouldn't have and 3 million in 2027, 4 million in 2028. So this is a massive opportunity for millions of
39:22people out there. Yeah. And let's not forget why we're here, Lawrence, in the first place. The
39:28original sin is the Republican tax bill that they passed this summer, which provides over five
39:35trillion dollars worth of tax cuts for the super rich paid for by the largest cuts to health care
39:41in American history. The Congressional Budget Office estimates about 15 million Americans will lose
39:48their health care as a result of that bill unless we take action now to mitigate at least some of
39:54those
39:55cuts. Pennsylvania Congressman Brendan Boyle, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you.
40:03Tonight's last word is next.
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