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Judy Justice - Season 4 - Episode 38: Tire'd and Toxic and Blame in the Ashes
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00:00He vandalized your car.
00:02Yes.
00:03Yeah, I'm recording.
00:06You said that he was drunk.
00:09All 18 beers were gone.
00:11He accused me of cheating.
00:13I was upset at the time.
00:16This is Judy Justice.
00:37Lorraine Boone is suing her ex-boyfriend, Delano Sebaran, for property damage and defamation.
00:45Court come to order.
00:47All rise.
00:49Have a seat, please.
00:53Judge, case 4060, Boone v. Sebaran.
00:56You're welcome.
00:57Ms. Boone, you and Mr. Sebaran were in a relationship for how long?
01:01About five years.
01:02Did you live together?
01:04On and off.
01:05You have children together?
01:06No.
01:07It is your claim that Mr. Sebaran vandalized your car.
01:12Yes.
01:12And that happened after an argument.
01:14Correct.
01:15Tell me when it happened, what time of the day or evening?
01:19It was August 19th, about 1.32 a.m.
01:24August 19th of this year?
01:26Yes.
01:26Yes.
01:26And were you living together at that time?
01:28Yes.
01:29August 19th.
01:29And how long had you been living together?
01:32At that time, I want to say about a year.
01:35Did you pay rent there?
01:37Yes, I have that one rent.
01:38Did he?
01:38Time to time, yes.
01:40Okay.
01:40August 19th, 2024.
01:42You were living together, had an apartment, I assume it was your apartment, that you moved
01:46into independently?
01:48Yes.
01:48Yes.
01:48And he was helping out with the rent occasionally.
01:50He had his clothes there.
01:51Okay.
01:52Tell me what happened.
01:53Actually, my birthday weekend, we had went on a trip.
01:57I came back on the 18th, I believe it was.
02:00We came back.
02:01The next day on the 19th, I worked from 12 to 8.
02:0512 in the afternoon to 8 at night?
02:0612 to 8 p.m.
02:07I went to get dinner, brought home dinner, we ate with my two kids.
02:12How old are your children?
02:14At this point, 15 to 16.
02:16Okay.
02:16We ate dinner.
02:18Everything seemed fine.
02:19About 10-ish, he came inside the room and accused me of cheating and seeing some post
02:25on Facebook of somebody telling me, hey, bae, or something like that, which caused
02:31the argument.
02:31At that point, I left the house to take a breather to let it cool off.
02:36I walked around the block.
02:38I guess I walked so fast that he thought I jumped in a car, which I just took a walk.
02:43Don't tell me what he thought.
02:44You went and called off.
02:45Okay.
02:45I mean, the reason for the argument that you state in your complaint is different from
02:50what you just told me.
02:51You said that he was drunk.
02:53Yeah.
02:53The night that we came back from the trip that we had, we bought home leftover beer,
03:00which about 18 beers.
03:01So between the time I went to work, 12 to 8 and came home, all 18 beers were gone.
03:07Okay.
03:08So when you came home from work, because that's what you say, that he was intoxicated.
03:12So you took a walk around the block in order to cool off the situation and?
03:17And then when I came back, I got a text that he was out looking for me and that he
03:24said
03:24that he was going to have sex with another female and come back to my house.
03:27That's when I text him back and told him, well, stay where you are at because you're not coming back
03:32here
03:32and I'm changing my locks.
03:34Do you remember that?
03:35Yes, ma'am, I do.
03:36Great.
03:36We have a consistent story.
03:39And?
03:40He showed back up about 1.30, realized that the lock.
03:44Don't tell me what he realized.
03:46Just came back 1.30.
03:47What happened?
03:48The lock was changed by myself and he couldn't get in and he started to try to kick.
03:54You didn't change the lock, you changed the code.
03:57The code, yes.
03:58Not the lock.
03:58I apologize.
03:59The code.
03:59I changed the code and he couldn't get in and he started to try to get in and kick the
04:06door down.
04:06When he realized the door was not going anywhere, he stopped my tires on my car.
04:13Okay.
04:14Did you see him slash the tires?
04:16I didn't physically see him.
04:17No.
04:17Okay.
04:19Cameras record him slashing the cars?
04:21Tires?
04:22Yes.
04:23Okay.
04:23Do you have that video?
04:25Yes.
04:26I'd like to see it.
04:27And that's what you're suing for.
04:29I'm going to calm down.
04:31I'm not going to f*** this girl.
04:32I'm going to f*** this bitch.
04:37I don't give a f***.
04:38I'm going to jail.
04:39I'm about to keep this f***.
04:40I'll ride my car inside and f*** out.
04:42I'm done.
04:43I'm tripping.
04:43I'm tripping.
04:44Here you go.
04:51Open the f*** door up.
04:52I'll keep this f*** down.
04:55Go quiet.
04:57Open the f*** door up.
05:00I'll keep this f*** down.
05:02I'll keep this f*** down.
05:03You better open up the door for a f*** the f*** to call.
05:07Open this f*** the f*** door.
05:12Let's go.
05:46Can I say it's two sides to every story?
05:48I was upset at the time.
05:50Just a second.
05:51I don't blame you for being upset.
05:53You got locked out of your home.
05:54You had several options.
05:56You could have gone to the police station and say,
05:58she's locked me out of my home.
06:00I've lived here for a year.
06:02I'm entitled to be here.
06:04I pay rent.
06:05This is where my clothes are.
06:07You can't just lock me out.
06:08Now, they may have said, listen, let's cool off.
06:13Go sleep in the car tonight.
06:15See what happens tomorrow.
06:17But if your reaction is to vandalize her car,
06:20which you clearly did, right, sir?
06:22Yes, ma'am.
06:22Then you have to pay for it.
06:24That's simple.
06:26I wish they were all this simple.
06:27I think we should have ring cameras around the entire world.
06:31People should walk around with an embedded ring camera
06:34in their foreheads.
06:36Somebody's going to invent that
06:37so we could eliminate courts and trials.
06:40Okay.
06:40How much were the tires?
06:42There were two tires.
06:44Yes.
06:45So for the tires, it came up to $268.75,
06:50which I bought at Walmart.
06:53Okay.
06:53And then I had to go to a tire shop
06:56to have them put it on, which was $64.50.
07:00$333.
07:01That's what your temper tantrum's going to cost you.
07:04Got it?
07:05No.
07:05Have you spoken since?
07:07No.
07:08It was an unfortunate incident.
07:10$333.
07:11Judgment from the bank.
07:12Other stuff that I would also like to put in evidence.
07:16Due to him kicking the door,
07:17it split the door in half.
07:19The door cannot even open anymore because of it.
07:23I did Google some estimates on the door.
07:26Okay.
07:26Can I see photographs of the door that you say is split?
07:44Okay.
07:45Want to see the photos, sir?
07:46You know you split the door.
07:48Yes, ma'am.
07:48I do.
07:52Forget pain and suffering.
07:54You have to understand something.
07:55Most of the time, now there are exceptions,
07:57but most of the time,
07:58the only person that gets pain and suffering here is me.
08:01All right?
08:02Right.
08:03And later today...
08:04If you go and buy somebody's car, as is,
08:08and it's clear, as is.
08:09Most people don't sell a used car, as is.
08:12They say you want to take it to a mechanic,
08:13but if it says, as is,
08:15ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling,
08:16bells go off in your head.
08:27Lorraine Boone claims her ex-boyfriend,
08:31Delano Seberin, broke her front door and slashed her tires
08:35after he was locked out of their house.
08:37Okay.
08:38The least expensive estimate is $564 for the door.
08:43Okay?
08:43What else?
08:45$897.
08:45I also...
08:47It's going for defamation of character.
08:50After all of this,
08:52he put a post up on Facebook,
08:55which a witness had contacted my mother.
08:58No, you can't tell me who contacted your mother,
09:01who said anything to your mother.
09:03You can show me a post if you want to show me a post.
09:06Yes.
09:07And I'll see it and I'll ask him if he posted this
09:10and I'll see if it's defamatory.
09:23Did you post this, sir?
09:25Did I post it?
09:25Yeah, I posted.
09:27With this caption?
09:29I posted it for five minutes and I took it down.
09:31The reason why I posted it,
09:32because she took that video and posted it to all my clients.
09:34I'm actually a barber and she posted this video all over.
09:38I took it down and I texted her and told her I was sorry for it.
09:41Is that true?
09:42Just a second.
09:43Is that true?
09:45No.
09:46That he called you and apologized?
09:49No.
09:49Yes, ma'am, I did.
09:51Wow.
09:51I have text messages showing that what you have
09:55is actually a text message that he sent to me,
09:58that he posted it.
09:59Yeah, I just want to know,
10:00he said he took it right down.
10:02Did he take it right down?
10:03Yes.
10:04He did?
10:04But he didn't call me to tell me sorry.
10:06Did he take it right down?
10:07Yes.
10:08Okay.
10:08How long was it up?
10:10Did you know?
10:11I don't know.
10:12It was up for probably about five minutes.
10:14Okay.
10:14Well, the difference between this and the video, sir,
10:19she should not have sent out the video,
10:21but the truth is,
10:22unless you have proof of this,
10:25what she sent out was the truth.
10:26Right.
10:27Right?
10:28Yes, ma'am.
10:28That's what happened.
10:29And he had a temper tantrum,
10:31but she had the proof.
10:33What you write about her is,
10:36fellas, this is one of the biggest hoes in Tampa.
10:39I was upset at the time.
10:41Right.
10:41I know you were upset.
10:42Okay?
10:43But unless you have proof that that's true,
10:44if it's true,
10:45that's one thing.
10:46I don't know.
10:46But you have no proof that it's true.
10:48The fact that you took it down immediately,
10:50to me,
10:51recognizes that you realize that you made a mistake in doing it,
10:54and you appreciate it.
10:56It's going to cost you $10.
10:57What else?
10:58Also, pain and suffering.
11:00Forget pain and suffering.
11:01$7, $10, $907.
11:05You have to understand something.
11:06Most of the time,
11:07now there are exceptions, Ms. Spoon,
11:09but most of the time,
11:11the only person that gets pain and suffering here is me.
11:14All right?
11:14Right.
11:16There are some cases where pain and suffering
11:18is an appropriate part of the case.
11:21It's an appropriate part of the case.
11:22But you have to understand,
11:24the fact that you locked him out of his home
11:27is against the law.
11:28You understand that?
11:30Yes.
11:30Now, his reaction to it was not smart,
11:33but you actually broke the law
11:35by changing the locks on the door
11:37because that was his home.
11:38He had been there for a year, according to you.
11:40His clothes were there.
11:42He contributed to the rent.
11:43So you can't just decide,
11:45well, I had an argument,
11:46so I'm going to lock him out now.
11:47He was acting belligerent,
11:48and the kids were asleep.
11:49I didn't want...
11:50Just a second.
11:50I don't know if he was belligerent or not.
11:53If he was belligerent,
11:54then you have an option.
11:56You call the police and say,
11:57I feel threatened.
11:58What should I do?
11:59They may come, wait for him,
12:01speak to him when he gets there,
12:02and say, take a break.
12:03But what you did by locking him out
12:05was against the law.
12:06Correct.
12:07Okay?
12:07He reacted in a violent, dumb way
12:11because he could have gotten into serious trouble.
12:14If somebody saw you doing that,
12:15so you know you could have gotten
12:16into serious difficulty,
12:17people wouldn't know what you were doing.
12:19Anyway, 9-0-7, judgment for the plaintiff.
12:21We're done here.
12:22This court is adjourned.
12:27Man, I'm just glad that everything is over with,
12:29and I'm able to move on with my life.
12:31It'll never be again.
12:32I just want him to learn from it.
12:33She's a great person,
12:34and I'm just glad that I'm moving on with my life,
12:36and I can just keep looking for it
12:38and keep doing what I got to do.
12:40He's not a bad person.
12:41He just had his moments,
12:43and I hope that he could just learn from it
12:46and take accountability.
12:48I think that they were two nice people.
12:51And really, when you think about it,
12:53what are you supposed to do?
12:54You're having a bad argument.
12:55You walk around the block to cool off.
12:57You don't know whether or not
12:59your partner has cooled off.
13:01You come home.
13:02Partner has cooled off sufficiently to leave.
13:05What do you do?
13:05You wait for them to come home
13:07and see what kind of a mood they're in.
13:09You don't know if they're...
13:11I'd be curious to know
13:12if his mood was the same as it was
13:14when he found out the locks were changed
13:15because, as far as we know,
13:17I was thinking he would have just come in
13:18and maybe he had cooled off sufficiently
13:20and would walk in
13:21and they would have put it to bed.
13:23But because the code was changed,
13:25it ignited an entire, you know...
13:28Well, the code was changed.
13:29He wanted...
13:29It was now in the middle of the night.
13:31He wanted to get home.
13:32What do you do?
13:33Well, you don't try to bust the door
13:35down in the middle of the night
13:36because it looked as if they lived
13:37in a residential community, not smart.
13:39You could tell he was remorseful, though,
13:41for his...
13:42Yes.
13:42...the way he reacted,
13:43which is usually a good sign
13:45because we've seen many times
13:47them not be remorseful
13:49when they...
13:49Yeah, not accept the responsibility.
13:51It seemed as if he did.
13:52I think they both learned something
13:53from the experience.
13:54I think it was good we mentioned to her
13:55about you can't just evict someone
13:58by changing the code.
13:59But again, like you said,
14:01I think for normal people,
14:02lay people who don't know
14:03the intricacies of the law,
14:05she figured,
14:06that's what's going to keep you safe.
14:07Safe, safe.
14:07That's what's going to keep me safe.
14:08Me and my kids.
14:09The police, you know,
14:10if you call them
14:10and they give you the okay
14:12or they tell him to cool off
14:14and stay somewhere else,
14:15that's the best way legally
14:16to protect yourself
14:17as opposed to just
14:18taking it into your own hands.
14:19South hell.
14:19Yeah.
14:20Case 4049.
14:22Shipley versus Odegaard.
14:23All parties, please come forward.
14:24Jeffrey Shipley
14:26is suing his buyer,
14:28Heather Odegaard,
14:29for the cost of a trailer home
14:31and property damage.
14:32Mr. Shipley,
14:34you sold the defendant a trailer.
14:37Yes, Your Honor.
14:38For how much?
14:39$3,500.
14:41On what date
14:41did you purchase the trailer?
14:43January 2nd or January 3rd.
14:45I'm not sure of the...
14:46Of 2024.
14:48Yes.
14:49And your arrangement was,
14:50according to your papers,
14:51that they would make a down payment
14:54and they would pay you out
14:55the $3,500
14:56at how much monthly?
14:59They were supposed to pay
14:59$1,000 a month.
15:01Okay.
15:01Is that correct?
15:03Yes.
15:03You purchased the trailer
15:04January 2nd or 3rd, 2024.
15:07You agreed to pay $3,500
15:10and with $1,000 a month
15:13until the $3,500 was paid off.
15:15When were you supposed
15:16to make your first payment?
15:17February 1st.
15:18And you were supposed
15:19to make a down payment?
15:20Yes.
15:21And what was the down payment?
15:23We didn't get to pay
15:24the down payment.
15:25So you...
15:26What was it supposed to be?
15:28I think it was $500.
15:30Okay.
15:33You don't buy it
15:34and then if something happens,
15:35say, well,
15:36I'm not paying for it.
15:37We just think
15:38he should have had
15:38his own homeowner's insurance
15:40on the house
15:41until it was paid off
15:42and moved into our...
15:44I don't care what you thought.
15:45When you go to law school,
15:46you can have a thought about that.
15:57Jeffrey Shipley claims his buyer.
16:01Heather Odegaard purchased his trailer home
16:03and refuses to pay for it
16:05after it burned down.
16:08Okay.
16:08And you moved in with your family.
16:10How many people moved in?
16:12Three.
16:12On what date did you move in?
16:15January 3rd or 4th.
16:16Was there any paperwork
16:17that was transferred
16:18between the two of you?
16:20I have a signed contract.
16:21I'd like to see it.
16:35Okay, so you bought this property
16:37January 1st, 2024.
16:40And then,
16:41according to the complaint,
16:42you moved in with your family,
16:44never paid anything,
16:45and according to you,
16:46the trailer burned.
16:48Yes.
16:49And?
16:50Well, when we went to go
16:51look at the trailer,
16:53he claimed that it was so...
16:54You can't tell me anything
16:55that he claimed.
16:56Anything that he claimed
16:57is puffing.
16:58Okay.
16:59You have a signed contract.
17:00You agreed to buy the trailer
17:01as is,
17:02and you say in the contract
17:04that you read
17:05on Facebook Marketplace
17:06it was a fixer-upper
17:07and it was purchased as is.
17:09Yes.
17:10So don't tell me
17:11what he said,
17:12what he told you,
17:13what he puffed about.
17:14It's clear in the contract
17:16that you bought the trailer
17:18as is a fixer-upper.
17:20Yes.
17:20It burned down.
17:22When?
17:23On January 13th.
17:25How long had you lived
17:26in the trailer?
17:27About a year.
17:28Year there.
17:29Did you buy it
17:30a year before?
17:31Yeah.
17:31And then,
17:32just my own curiosity,
17:33where did you move to?
17:34To a new trailer
17:35just across town.
17:37Okay.
17:38Ball's in your court.
17:39You bought a trailer,
17:40it burned down,
17:42and you have to pay for it.
17:43Great.
17:45We didn't feel
17:47that he was honest
17:49when he sold it.
17:50He sold it to us
17:51under false pretenses
17:52as he claimed
17:53it was in
17:54at least running condition.
17:56You can't.
17:57I just explained to you,
17:58madam.
17:59I understand.
17:59I just explained to you,
18:00madam.
18:01When you buy a home,
18:02you have it inspected.
18:03If you want to.
18:05If you buy a home
18:06as is,
18:07you accept
18:08what you did,
18:09and it's clear
18:10in two places
18:11in this contract
18:12where it says
18:13you realize
18:14that it was put
18:15on Facebook Marketplace
18:17as a fixer-upper
18:19and it is being sold
18:20as is.
18:21Well,
18:22that would give
18:23any person
18:23with a normal intelligence
18:24a clue.
18:25If they wanted
18:26to have it inspected,
18:27they could have it inspected.
18:28If they wanted
18:30to buy it
18:30as a bargain
18:31for $3,500
18:32as is,
18:33so you move in
18:34with your family,
18:35then you take
18:36your chances.
18:36But you bought
18:37the trailer.
18:38You had an opportunity
18:39to insure it.
18:41You could have gotten
18:42insurance on it
18:43because it's your trailer.
18:45It burned down.
18:46What does that
18:47have to do with him?
18:48We never transferred
18:49the title
18:50into my name.
18:50Does it?
18:51The title wasn't
18:52going to be transferred
18:53until your last payment
18:54was made.
18:55But you purchased
18:56the trailer
18:57as of January 1st,
18:592024.
19:00That's what
19:01this contract says.
19:02And you bought it
19:03as is.
19:04Like you buy a car
19:05if you go and buy
19:06somebody's car
19:07as is.
19:08And it's clear
19:09as is.
19:10Most people don't
19:11sell a used car
19:12as is.
19:12They say you want
19:12to take it to a mechanic.
19:14But if it says
19:14as is,
19:15ding-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling,
19:17bells go off
19:18in your head.
19:18You say,
19:19listen,
19:19I better go get
19:20this car checked out.
19:22If you don't get it
19:23checked out,
19:24what you don't do
19:24is you don't buy it.
19:26And then if something
19:27happens, say,
19:27well,
19:28I'm not paying for it.
19:31We just think
19:31he should have had
19:32his own
19:33homeowner's insurance
19:34on the house
19:35until it was paid off
19:36and moved into RV.
19:38what you thought.
19:39When you go to law school,
19:40you're going to have
19:41a thought about that.
19:42You have the trailer.
19:43You can get insurance.
19:45You chose not to.
19:46You chose to buy
19:47something as is
19:48for $3,500.
19:50You're supposed
19:50to make installments
19:51$1,000 a month
19:53for no longer
19:54than four months.
19:55Well, you didn't make
19:56an installment in January.
19:57You clearly weren't
19:58in it in February.
19:59So you really got
20:01a month's grace.
20:02$3,500.
20:04Anything else?
20:05I had a shed
20:06that was there
20:07on the property, too,
20:09that I was going
20:09to remove to my
20:10and take some
20:11That's your fault.
20:12You sold the trailer.
20:13Unless you had
20:14a separate contract
20:15with them
20:16to do anything
20:17with regard
20:18to the storage shed
20:19that you had
20:20stuff in it.
20:20Just them stating
20:21that I could come later
20:22and get my stuff.
20:24Oh, well,
20:24you can come later
20:25and get your stuff.
20:25You can come later
20:26and get your stuff.
20:27Now it's all burnt.
20:27But it burned down
20:27before I could.
20:28If it was that
20:29meaningful for you, sir,
20:30you would have taken it
20:31when you moved out.
20:32Very good.
20:33$3,500.
20:35Thank you very much.
20:35We're finished.
20:36Judgment for the plaintiff.
20:37This court is adjourned.
20:41I actually think
20:42it was very fair.
20:43Thought I should have
20:44got a little bit more,
20:44but I guess that's what
20:47you get for helping
20:48people out.
20:48We had nothing
20:49to do with the fire
20:50and we shouldn't have
20:52to deal with it anymore.
20:54I guess check out
20:55who you're helping
20:56before you help them.
20:57I'm just lucky
20:57this is over with.
20:58Always get the money
20:59up front.
21:01That case was a perfect
21:02example of you have
21:04a contract, clear as a bell,
21:07spelled out everything.
21:08I don't know where
21:09they got it from it
21:10because it didn't look
21:11like a form that he got
21:13it from a book,
21:14but it included everything.
21:16Purchase price,
21:17transfer, payment method,
21:20being sold as is,
21:22recognition that it was
21:23advertised on Facebook
21:25marketplace as a fixer-upper.
21:28Everything makes your job
21:30so much easier.
21:31So if people want
21:33to be smart for themselves,
21:35they would memorialize
21:37a business transaction.
21:39You know, it used to be,
21:40well, we did this
21:40on a handshake,
21:41but a handshake
21:43could be misinterpreted.
21:45A contract that has
21:48all the elements of the,
21:49all the terms of the contract
21:51makes everyone's position clear.
21:54And it made it so easy.
21:56So it shifted the burden
21:57from the plaintiff
21:58to the defendant.
21:59On the day she moved in.
22:00Yeah.
22:01What reason do you have
22:02not to, if the place blew up?
22:04That would not be his problem.
22:06That would be your problem.
22:07It's your house.
22:08Yeah.
22:08I agree.
22:11Have you been cheated?
22:13Go to JudyJustice.tv.
22:53Go to Judy Justine.
22:54You
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