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00:00:08Some breaking news out of Long Island, New York.
00:00:12I'd like to report that we found human remains.
00:00:16Four bodies wrapped in burlap dumped alongside Ocean Parkway.
00:00:20The so-called Gilgo Four were all petite women,
00:00:24all under 5'5", and they were all sex workers.
00:00:27Police excavate an apparent serial killer's dumping ground.
00:00:32The murders of two more women.
00:00:35Bring the total number to six.
00:00:37Now to a major development in the Gilgo Beach murder case.
00:00:40A seventh murder.
00:00:42Find this killer before he strikes and hurts and murders someone that you love.
00:00:50And then, after 13 years, this bombshell drops.
00:00:55Major break in a cold case.
00:00:57A suspect now under arrest in connection to the unsolved Gilgo Beach murder.
00:01:02Rex Heuerman, a longtime resident of Massapequa Park, Long Island.
00:01:07The 59-year-old architect and father of two.
00:01:10Rex Heuerman is a demon that walks among us.
00:01:14This is like a modern-day horror story.
00:01:17The idea that the wife didn't know anything about what he was doing is hard to believe.
00:01:22They're telling me that my husband is alleged to be some horrific serial killer.
00:01:28No freaking way is this man going out soliciting sex from a sex worker,
00:01:34killing them, and dumping them on Gilgo Beach.
00:01:39He had a room specifically built in his basement that even his wife was not allowed to enter.
00:01:48We've recovered numerous electronic devices from the defendant, including laptops, smartphones, tablets.
00:01:54Investigators were able to forensically extract this planning document.
00:01:59He's getting drop cloths.
00:02:00He's getting booties for his shoes.
00:02:02Hairnets so that his hair won't get on the victim.
00:02:05Or so he hopes.
00:02:07Investigators say they matched hair fibers that were found at six of the seven crime scenes.
00:02:12They matched this DNA to Rex Heuerman and his family.
00:02:15Victoria, are you here to support your father through the charges?
00:02:19It's so hard to even believe the fact that, you know, he's this sick killer.
00:02:25Prosecutors saying this.
00:02:27But my memory says this.
00:02:30Prosecutors in Suffolk County say they are ready to take accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuerman
00:02:35sent to trial for the murders of seven women.
00:02:38Heuerman has pleaded not guilty.
00:02:40Rex would have to tell me face to face that he killed these girls for me to believe it.
00:02:53No, it's, I don't believe my husband did this.
00:03:14I don't believe my husband did this.
00:03:39They could mark a pivotal moment to a case that's rocked the tri-state area for years.
00:03:45This morning, a possible change of plea for accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuerman.
00:03:51At 11 a.m., he is expected to confess to and admit to each of the murders in court.
00:03:56But his attorney, not yet commenting.
00:03:58Heuerman is accused of killing seven female sex workers whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach
00:04:04and elsewhere on Long Island, New York, between 1993 and 2010.
00:04:09Heuerman's family, meanwhile, has not commented on the expected plea today.
00:04:26I just got to back up a few minutes.
00:04:28Let me just get out of the car, please.
00:04:29After we have the proceedings today, we'll have statements to make.
00:04:32I'll talk to myself and Asa will make a statement, okay?
00:04:34Can you just say one thing today?
00:04:35Can you just say one thing?
00:04:36There's nothing to say at this point.
00:04:37We don't know what's going to happen at 11 o'clock.
00:04:38Come on.
00:04:38Good morning, Laura.
00:04:39Good morning.
00:04:40Jody.
00:04:41How's everybody feeling?
00:04:44Been up all night.
00:04:45Asa, how are you feeling?
00:04:46She'll have something to say later on.
00:04:47Hey, Bob, right here.
00:04:48No fighting, Jimmy.
00:04:49Asa.
00:04:50You guys are going to make a statement after?
00:04:52After.
00:04:53Can't say anything before then.
00:04:54Do you know what's going to happen in the courtroom?
00:04:56Not until we get there.
00:04:57Okay.
00:04:57So we'll address it after it happens.
00:04:59At this point, it's pure speculation.
00:05:01Yeah, right here.
00:05:01Right here.
00:05:02Yeah.
00:05:03What's up, Bob?
00:05:04What's going on?
00:05:04What was the questions?
00:05:05Go ahead.
00:05:05How have they been processing this?
00:05:07They've been processing this for the past 33 months.
00:05:09We're prepared for whatever's going to go on in the courtroom today.
00:05:12Asa and Victoria are both prepared for that.
00:05:14And she has said consistently since day one.
00:05:17She wants to hear this and see this play out in the courtroom.
00:05:40Come to order, please.
00:05:41Remain seated at this time.
00:05:43Yeah.
00:05:43Number eight, Rex Ewerman, trial control.
00:05:51Coming out, judge.
00:05:59On the record, number eight, Rex Ewerman, party's appearances, please.
00:06:15Remind us who you are, and take us back to how you first got involved with Asa.
00:06:21My name is Bob Macedonio.
00:06:22I'm an attorney.
00:06:23I practice in the areas of criminal defense, matrimonial, and family court work.
00:06:32Rex, did you do it?
00:06:33Less than 48 hours after Rex Ewerman's arrest, my firm received a call from Asa Elorup, who
00:06:38was Rex Ewerman's wife.
00:06:40Asa would like me to express she's going through a very difficult time.
00:06:43When we first were retained by Miss Ewerman, the media frenzy was chaotic.
00:06:49Rex Ewerman's wife and the suspect's adult stepson was seen crying on the front porch.
00:06:54They were parked outside of her office, across the street.
00:06:57They followed her 24-7.
00:06:59They were stationed outside of her house for months on end.
00:07:03Asa, we're not blaming you for anything.
00:07:05No, I don't care.
00:07:06We feel very bad, and we want to know if you have anything to say.
00:07:12My office played every role for the family.
00:07:14We were therapists.
00:07:15We were counselors.
00:07:16We were financially helping them.
00:07:18There was no money.
00:07:20Rex was the sole financial supporter of the family.
00:07:24Victoria worked for Rex.
00:07:26Her job was obviously terminated when they arrested Rex, and the office was closed.
00:07:35So you have a family completely turned upside down, and it basically says the way you think
00:07:41you've been living for the past 30 years is not really what's been happening.
00:07:44So they were distraught, and I personally thought they needed professional help with
00:07:51the psychological issues that they're dealing with.
00:07:54So I brought in Allison Winters, who's a therapist that my partner and I have known for 20-plus
00:07:59years and works with a lot of our clients.
00:08:02We trust her.
00:08:05You're on the speaker.
00:08:07I'm Allison Winter.
00:08:09I'm a psychotherapist, and I'm a family counselor.
00:08:12Bob Macedonio calls me up and asks,
00:08:15Have you ever heard of the Jilbo Beach murders?
00:08:17I said, Yes, of course.
00:08:19And he said, I need you to take on the family.
00:08:23At this point, their friends wanted nothing to do with them.
00:08:26Their family wanted nothing to do with them.
00:08:29And they really needed someone they can speak with.
00:08:32I am grounded in family work.
00:08:36It's important for me to understand the dynamic they were living in as a daughter, as a wife,
00:08:42as a son.
00:08:44So Rex had to be a part of this process.
00:08:46So in other words, you see the whole family as an emotionally interconnected unit.
00:08:50Sure.
00:08:51Absolutely.
00:09:09After the second search of the Heuermann home, and about a year after the arrest, Rex is done.
00:09:14He's tired.
00:09:17Rex shares with me, he had a conversation with his lawyer.
00:09:21He sat Mike Brown down, and he said, I need to tell you that I am guilty of all of
00:09:26this.
00:09:27And he said, I had to tell him certain things were his words.
00:09:32So in the spring of 2025, Rex Shuman, through his attorney, starts discussing a proffer agreement with the district attorney's
00:09:40office.
00:09:41And what a proffer agreement is, is a defendant on any criminal case will come over and meet with the
00:09:47detectives or the task force in a fashion that is protected to the extent anything that is said at that
00:09:54proffer would not be able to be used at a trial against Rex Shuman.
00:10:00The proffer sessions sets the table for plea negotiations to begin.
00:10:05And when we say plea negotiations, we're not talking a lightning of a sentence.
00:10:09You're doing life in jail without parole.
00:10:11That's not going to change.
00:10:12But there is a benefit to both sides to have a plea.
00:10:17You're sparing seven victims' families from hearing the gory, graphic details of what happened to their children, their sisters, their
00:10:24moms.
00:10:27The potential benefit to Rex would be you could kind of negotiate where you will be sentenced and how your
00:10:34sentence will be served.
00:10:35Also, the benefit to Rex is to protect the narrative of what his family hears.
00:10:41Whatever love they have left for him, I believe, would be erased if they heard the details of what he
00:10:48did to these young ladies.
00:11:02Come in.
00:11:03Hey.
00:11:04Hi.
00:11:05Asa, how are you?
00:11:07Good to see you.
00:11:09Here, have a seat.
00:11:10It's so good to see you.
00:11:12One of the conditions Rex had to take a plea was to meet with his wife and his daughter separately
00:11:18in a private meeting before making a public plea, and he would answer any questions.
00:11:24Nobody knows about this meeting.
00:11:25This was set up by Rex.
00:11:27He's been very supportive to the process of sitting with you so you can hear the truth from his mouth
00:11:36because you need that.
00:11:38I do.
00:11:39To believe, to live, to grow, to heal.
00:11:44And you need to hear it from him.
00:11:45Yes.
00:11:45And he owes you that.
00:11:47He owes you that.
00:11:47He does owe you.
00:11:48Yes.
00:11:49I want to hear the truth, period.
00:11:52I'm going to this meeting because I need to hear it.
00:11:57I want to hear it from his mouth.
00:11:59Okay.
00:11:59Because hearing him tell me, am I going to see it?
00:12:07We've worked so hard for this to happen.
00:12:09This is unprecedented.
00:12:11It is.
00:12:23Early on, when I recognized that as long as Rex was going to keep lying to his wife, there was
00:12:31no way I was going to be able to ground her because he has such a big influence on her.
00:12:37Anything Rex said overwrote everything, so it wasn't denial.
00:12:40It was real to her.
00:12:41My husband's a family man.
00:12:43He's incapable of this.
00:12:44So I knew the more Rex fed her that, I'm innocent, she wouldn't be able to move on.
00:12:49And ultimately, that would have destroyed her existence.
00:12:52She needs to live and accept what she can.
00:12:55And she needs to move forward.
00:12:58We've been working for a very long time, two years and one month, to get to this moment.
00:13:05I'm scared.
00:13:07There's no doubt about that.
00:13:09I'm nervous.
00:13:12But I have questions to ask, and I'm going to need him to answer them for me.
00:13:17Number one is, did you kill any of these women?
00:13:22Then there would be, okay, how many of these women did you kill?
00:13:32I need to hear from him whether he did this or not.
00:13:37I can't process things I don't know.
00:13:40What we'll process is to see the truth, hear the truth.
00:13:44The hardest part of this whole story is that it's possible that I was married for 29 years
00:13:52to a serial killer.
00:14:13What is the next step for the prosecution of Blake's farm to Facebook?
00:14:16Well, I mean, you're in the end of discovery, we're entering trial phase.
00:14:21I mean, you talk about the number of witnesses, the number of documents in this case, it's
00:14:26a dizzying amount of information.
00:14:28Without a doubt, the Long Island serial killer case and the trial of Rex Superman is going
00:14:33to be the biggest in Long Island history.
00:14:35We'll have over 100 witnesses coming in from 15 different states.
00:14:39There's never been so much interest in controversy surrounding a case.
00:14:47I mean, Gloria Allred showed up to advocate for the victim's families.
00:14:51The courthouse door should never be shut to any woman who is victimized by gender violence.
00:14:58It is long overdue to provide justice for vulnerable women who are missing and murdered.
00:15:04We gave the defense well over 100 terabytes of information alone.
00:15:09And if you took a terabyte and you printed out all that information, it would take you
00:15:14about 6.5 million pages.
00:15:16So we have well over 120 of those terabytes.
00:15:20It's going to be one bombshell after the next.
00:15:23All these questions we have, everything we've been speculating about, if there is a trial,
00:15:27they will have to be addressed.
00:15:29Everything we don't know about, all the evidence they have that we're imagining they have,
00:15:33we're going to find out.
00:15:47Rex Heurman's attorneys are pushing to hold as many as five trials.
00:15:52Trial one, the first three of the Gilgo four discovered Amber Costello, Megan Waterman,
00:15:56and Melissa Bartholomey.
00:15:57A second trial for Maureen Brainerd Barnes.
00:15:59And third, fourth, and fifth trials for Jessica Taylor, Sandra Costillo, and Valerie Mack.
00:16:03The danger of having count after count, victim after victim in the same trial is that smoke,
00:16:10there's fire mentality.
00:16:12They shouldn't be tried together.
00:16:34I should have a seat.
00:16:36I should have a seat.
00:16:48Long day.
00:16:49Yes.
00:16:50It's not every day you get to sit with a serial killer.
00:16:54What was the hardest part for you to hear?
00:16:56Well, I put a wall up.
00:16:59What do you mean you put a wall?
00:17:00I called to Mr. Heurman.
00:17:02Okay.
00:17:03So his response was, oh, are we formal now?
00:17:07Mrs. L. Are up?
00:17:08Did you feel you were sitting across the table from a stranger?
00:17:13No.
00:17:14When he started talking, he started feeling like that's the Rex I know.
00:17:18But I didn't want to see that one.
00:17:19I wanted to see the one I needed to see.
00:17:22Paint a picture for us of what it was like to walk into that room.
00:17:27He looked very nervous.
00:17:29Very, very nervous.
00:17:32And I said to him, so, Mr. Heurman,
00:17:37I understand that you are confessing to me on these murders.
00:17:44Can you please tell me how many of these women did you kill?
00:17:47He said eight.
00:17:49Eight?
00:17:51Was there any hesitation when he said eight?
00:17:54No, he just told me the answer.
00:17:57He said he killed eight women.
00:17:59Eight.
00:18:00Eight.
00:18:01Who was the eighth?
00:18:02Because he's charged with seven.
00:18:03I didn't ask.
00:18:05He sat and told you he killed eight.
00:18:08He said I wasn't home.
00:18:11During all of them.
00:18:13Were any of them killed in the house?
00:18:15He said yes.
00:18:16They were killed in his room downstairs.
00:18:18All except one.
00:18:20He said that he killed Sandra Castilla in the Dodge.
00:18:25That was his first murder.
00:18:29Before I married him.
00:18:34I said, uh, they said that you dismembered some bodies.
00:18:39Did you dismember them?
00:18:40And he said, yes, I did.
00:18:42There are certain things, certain questions that I believed.
00:18:46Others, I'm not 100% sure.
00:18:49He said he never really intentionally tried to kill these women.
00:18:54He says he just killed them.
00:18:55No.
00:18:56But he doesn't, he doesn't know how he killed them.
00:19:02That's what you heard?
00:19:03No, is, is, is.
00:19:05I didn't hear that.
00:19:06What did you hear?
00:19:07He said the first one, I had no idea I was going to kill at that time.
00:19:11Right.
00:19:11I just randomly did it.
00:19:14But the others?
00:19:15He planned to kill them.
00:19:17I mean, some women he, he had sex with and he didn't kill them.
00:19:21And he said, he said that some women I had sex with and I did not kill.
00:19:25Knowing the wrecks you know, since you're 18 years old, do you feel he expressed any remorse?
00:19:35No.
00:19:37No.
00:19:38Okay.
00:19:38How did you feel about his tears?
00:19:43I think the tears were for me.
00:19:46Not for the victims?
00:19:47No.
00:19:49Do you believe Rex got into a relationship with you, married you, because he was able to control and manipulate
00:20:00you?
00:20:01No.
00:20:02No.
00:20:03What did he say about his first wife?
00:20:06Remember?
00:20:07He said she was crazy.
00:20:08And he couldn't.
00:20:10Go ahead.
00:20:11Right.
00:20:11And he couldn't control her.
00:20:12He couldn't control her.
00:20:14So think about that.
00:20:15Just sit with that for a minute, right?
00:20:16My first wife, she was crazy.
00:20:18I couldn't put up with her.
00:20:20I couldn't control her.
00:20:20What did you say?
00:20:21Do you remember?
00:20:22I said, um.
00:20:25Why did you choose me?
00:20:26Yeah.
00:20:27He said he loved me.
00:20:30Do you believe he loved you?
00:20:34Yes, I do.
00:20:36Do you think that he has any remorse?
00:20:38For destroying your family's life?
00:20:49Yes, I saw the tears.
00:20:54He lived a double life.
00:20:56I saw the man that worked hard, took care of his family.
00:21:02But anyone who takes a life, I don't think that they deserve to die.
00:21:14I think that they deserve to be forced to face the reality of what they've done.
00:21:23All of these girls that were found on Gilgo Beach, they were somebody's daughter.
00:21:30They were somebody's sister.
00:21:34They were girls.
00:21:47Awesome.
00:21:48Yes.
00:21:50Here we are, 26 months after the arrest.
00:21:54Do you now believe that your husband is the Gilgo Beach serial killer?
00:22:02Yes, I believe he's the Gilgo Beach killer.
00:22:30The peace and beauty of Fire Island was shattered today by the grisly discovery of two human legs minus a
00:22:36body.
00:22:36Police have no clues as to who the legs discovered at Davis Park belonged to.
00:22:41Investigators say the legs with red painted toenails are definitely female, but that's all they know so far.
00:22:50Today, authorities identified one of the victims in the Gilgo Beach murders, her remains found nearly three decades ago off
00:22:58of Fire Island.
00:22:59We were able to identify Fire Island Jane Doe as Karen Vergata, who was 34 years old at the time
00:23:06of her disappearance.
00:23:07Vergata disappeared in February 1996.
00:23:10She was 34, living in New York City, and authorities said, like other Gilgo Beach victims, a sex worker.
00:23:16Her legs were found in Davis Park.
00:23:20Her skull is found at Gilgo, where Rex Hewerman's other alleged victims were disposed of like trash.
00:23:30Karen Vergata's stepsister has said,
00:23:32I'm glad she's found.
00:23:34It's nice to have closure.
00:23:36We always wondered what happened.
00:23:39She also explained,
00:23:40Vergata's father once hired a private investigator to try and find her, but died never knowing the fate of his
00:23:47daughter.
00:23:48Still unknown how or why Vergata was killed, and more importantly, whether accused serial killer Rex Hewerman was involved in
00:23:55her death.
00:23:56It's important to note that there are no charges at this time.
00:24:00We are going to continue to work this particular case, as we did the Gilgo 4 investigation.
00:24:07Let's talk about the eighth victim.
00:24:10Karen Vergata is the question mark.
00:24:12We know that she was murdered sometime between February, Valentine's Day of 1996.
00:24:18Sure.
00:24:19And when she was discovered in April of 1996.
00:24:23We also know that Rex Hewerman married Asa Ellerman on April 13th, 1996, in Sweden.
00:24:36Now, Asa and Chris travel ahead without Rex Hewerman to Sweden.
00:24:41Two weeks later, Rex flew in to join them.
00:24:46The timeline indicates Rex Hewerman stays behind,
00:24:51murders Karen Vergata,
00:24:53then flies to Sweden to join his pregnant wife,
00:24:58his adopted son,
00:25:00and marries Asa Ellera.
00:25:03How did he explain that to you?
00:25:06Am I allowed to talk about this?
00:25:08I don't know if he'll ever be indicted for the eighth.
00:25:13It's not public, the eighth, because they don't have evidence.
00:25:15No, it's a part of the plea deal.
00:25:17He will admit to eight murders.
00:25:20Okay.
00:25:22I would say that the killing of Karen Vergata
00:25:26before he was getting married
00:25:28was a pivot point to make him more comfortable
00:25:31in future killings.
00:25:33I don't think he cared
00:25:36that he was about to go get married to his pregnant wife.
00:25:39He divides the worlds.
00:25:42He said they're two separate entities.
00:25:45He doesn't regulate emotions like you and I.
00:25:47So when he was doing what he was doing,
00:25:49was he thinking of his family?
00:25:51No.
00:25:52Was that a stressor?
00:25:54Subconsciously?
00:25:55Absolutely.
00:25:56Did he recognize it at the time?
00:25:58No.
00:25:58In his mind,
00:25:59it was time that Asa will be away
00:26:01planning their wedding
00:26:02so he was free to do what he wanted
00:26:03and fulfill his own fantasy.
00:26:06I think that was pivotal
00:26:08to making it easier and easier to move forward
00:26:10and it became more of a game
00:26:12inside his mind.
00:26:15Prepping, timing, playtime, clean up.
00:26:19It all became a methodical
00:26:23second life, so to speak.
00:26:31Rex has said that the only one
00:26:33that he didn't plan
00:26:34was the first one.
00:26:36So that would mean
00:26:37that starting with Karen Drogada,
00:26:40that was planned
00:26:41and everyone was planned thereafter.
00:26:43No.
00:26:44No.
00:26:45That's not the way I understand it.
00:26:47Planned or unplanned?
00:26:48No, no.
00:26:48No, no.
00:26:49He said...
00:26:50I asked him.
00:26:51I asked him.
00:26:53Hold on.
00:27:02Hello.
00:27:04How are you, Jeff?
00:27:06I'm doing much better.
00:27:11So the...
00:27:13So, uh, what?
00:27:17Are we back on a speaker?
00:27:19Yes, we're on speaker.
00:27:21So I have one question for you.
00:27:25Jeff.
00:27:27I'd like to know
00:27:28when was the first planned event.
00:27:36I had gone in hand
00:27:38with a wedding dress to Sweden.
00:27:43You were meeting me
00:27:44on the last week of the vacation.
00:27:47I took a three-week vacation that year.
00:27:52She flew down
00:27:53how long before you?
00:27:55I had to be a week or two.
00:27:58Two.
00:28:01And what year was that?
00:28:0496.
00:28:05Right.
00:28:07Rex?
00:28:09Yes.
00:28:09Um, just so you understand,
00:28:12what we're trying to do
00:28:13is help Asa process through
00:28:15the two separate lives.
00:28:18Sometimes there are stressors
00:28:20in your life
00:28:21that trigger things
00:28:23to do things.
00:28:28So we're doing a little
00:28:29live therapy session here.
00:28:36Was that stressful,
00:28:39knowing that you're
00:28:40having a baby coming?
00:28:52Can you share with her
00:28:53to help her understand
00:28:54just emotionally maybe,
00:28:56like what you were feeling,
00:28:58what you were going through
00:28:59when you were home,
00:29:03alone,
00:29:05before you flew out
00:29:06to marry her?
00:29:09I understand what you're trying to do.
00:29:15I just don't have
00:29:16a specific date
00:29:17that I can say
00:29:18about anything
00:29:20at the moment.
00:29:21We have one minute left.
00:29:23We have one minute to go.
00:29:26So, anyway,
00:29:28um,
00:29:29I didn't want to scare you off
00:29:31because I get a little
00:29:32confused sometimes.
00:29:35I've known you since 1981.
00:29:38I think if you haven't
00:29:40scared me off right now,
00:29:42you're not going to.
00:29:43I know.
00:29:46I know that.
00:29:51In her heart,
00:29:52do I think
00:29:52she'll ever let him go?
00:29:54No,
00:29:55because she didn't
00:29:55know him that way.
00:29:56She never saw
00:29:57that side of him.
00:29:59She only saw the man
00:30:01who she believed
00:30:02was saving her
00:30:03from a life of trauma.
00:30:12When Asa was born,
00:30:13we have to realize
00:30:14nobody wanted her.
00:30:16They adopted her
00:30:17into an American family.
00:30:19She never felt
00:30:20wanted or loved.
00:30:22She always felt less than.
00:30:24She always felt different.
00:30:26Asa comes from
00:30:27years of abuse,
00:30:27years of neglect.
00:30:29She went from
00:30:30one trauma
00:30:30to the next,
00:30:31to the next.
00:30:35When I think back
00:30:36to my childhood,
00:30:38my father was always
00:30:39working.
00:30:41He would end up
00:30:43traveling,
00:30:43you know,
00:30:44for like two,
00:30:45three months
00:30:45at a time.
00:30:47A lot of my friends
00:30:48had older brothers.
00:30:50And the older brothers
00:30:52were always keeping
00:30:52an eye on
00:30:53their little sisters.
00:30:54But no one was
00:30:56watching out for me.
00:30:58I'm 16 years old.
00:31:00I was out
00:31:01one day.
00:31:02There was a bunch
00:31:03of boys
00:31:04on a street corner
00:31:05hanging out.
00:31:06and one of them
00:31:08pulled me behind
00:31:09my house
00:31:11and molested me.
00:31:15I couldn't get away.
00:31:20I quit school
00:31:22not too long
00:31:22after that.
00:31:26I also tried
00:31:28to commit suicide.
00:31:31not something
00:31:32I'm proud of.
00:31:37So if there's
00:31:38anybody that knows
00:31:39anything about
00:31:40what bad men
00:31:41are capable of doing,
00:31:42that would be me.
00:31:46When I first met
00:31:47Asa,
00:31:48she was broken.
00:31:48It's crying
00:31:50from guilt.
00:31:53Guilt that
00:31:56I wasn't
00:31:57a good enough
00:31:58wife.
00:31:59In total shock.
00:32:00What would
00:32:01anyone do
00:32:03if they're
00:32:04in my shoes?
00:32:06Denial.
00:32:07And I go to bed
00:32:08at night
00:32:09and I wake up
00:32:09the next morning
00:32:10saying to myself,
00:32:11girl,
00:32:12it didn't happen.
00:32:13Your husband,
00:32:14Rex Heuerman,
00:32:15did not do this.
00:32:18I've noticed
00:32:19her cognitive
00:32:19dissonance.
00:32:21Asa was placing
00:32:22reality onto
00:32:23what she needed
00:32:24to believe.
00:32:25He's a family man,
00:32:28period.
00:32:29I'm convinced
00:32:30that the person
00:32:31they're looking for
00:32:32is not
00:32:32a family man.
00:32:37Rex was the
00:32:38kind of person
00:32:39that you could call
00:32:40even if you
00:32:42just wanted to
00:32:42talk
00:32:43and that's it.
00:32:45He was
00:32:47the one person
00:32:48I could count on
00:32:49when I needed
00:32:50something
00:32:51and he was
00:32:52there.
00:32:57Charming Rex
00:32:58comes in.
00:32:59He says,
00:33:01move into my home.
00:33:02She went with
00:33:03what was safe
00:33:04because she needed
00:33:05to survive.
00:33:10She never challenged
00:33:11him.
00:33:12He would say
00:33:13something and she
00:33:13would just take it
00:33:14in and believe it
00:33:15and when I would
00:33:16ask her why,
00:33:18because he's my
00:33:19husband.
00:33:20And that's an
00:33:21honest answer
00:33:21of hers.
00:33:23I do believe
00:33:25there's a part
00:33:25of Asa
00:33:26that will never
00:33:28accept that he
00:33:29murdered these
00:33:30women.
00:33:31She would
00:33:32rather create
00:33:34something that
00:33:35works for her
00:33:35in her mind
00:33:36than something
00:33:37that's more real
00:33:38and that's
00:33:39a process
00:33:39in itself.
00:33:41Believing
00:33:42that she can
00:33:42have any
00:33:43healthy relationship
00:33:44with Rex
00:33:44in the future
00:33:45is delusional
00:33:47thinking.
00:33:47We need to
00:33:48work on that.
00:33:50She clearly
00:33:51grieves
00:33:51differently than
00:33:52Victoria.
00:33:53So now
00:33:54Victoria has to
00:33:55hear the truth.
00:33:57She wants
00:33:58closure.
00:33:59Whatever that
00:34:00looks like,
00:34:01she's ready
00:34:01for this to be
00:34:02done.
00:34:16Ever since
00:34:17my dad was
00:34:17arrested,
00:34:18it has become
00:34:19a combination
00:34:20of humiliation,
00:34:22confusion,
00:34:23sadness,
00:34:25and uncertainty.
00:34:27All in a
00:34:28whole bowl
00:34:29of fruit salad
00:34:30or something,
00:34:31just all those
00:34:31things.
00:34:33Nobody really
00:34:34thinks about
00:34:35the daughter
00:34:35of the serial
00:34:37killer.
00:34:38There is
00:34:39actually artwork
00:34:40produced by
00:34:41Victoria.
00:34:42People are
00:34:42just making
00:34:43up stories
00:34:44about it.
00:34:45This horrifying
00:34:45monster with
00:34:46blood eating
00:34:48on the breasts
00:34:49of this woman.
00:34:50They were
00:34:50writing my
00:34:51story right
00:34:52in front of
00:34:52us on the
00:34:52news.
00:34:53Your hair,
00:34:54your DNA,
00:34:54whatever it
00:34:55is, is on
00:34:56the bodies.
00:34:56Why aren't
00:34:57you involved?
00:34:58All I knew
00:34:59was everything
00:35:01I knew was
00:35:02gone.
00:35:02Victoria,
00:35:02do you have
00:35:03anything to say
00:35:03about why
00:35:04you're here
00:35:04today?
00:35:05We're not
00:35:05going to turn
00:35:06this into
00:35:06some kind
00:35:06of sideshow.
00:35:10Victoria has
00:35:11told me that
00:35:12she and her
00:35:12father have
00:35:13a very strong
00:35:14relationship.
00:35:15Her protective
00:35:16fantasies about
00:35:17the father that
00:35:18that she knows
00:35:19are very real to
00:35:21her.
00:35:22My initial
00:35:23observations of
00:35:24Victoria, she
00:35:26was in total
00:35:27shock.
00:35:31Completely
00:35:33blindsided and
00:35:34hurt.
00:35:35I feel like I
00:35:36definitely do jump
00:35:37between depression
00:35:38and anger a lot.
00:35:40My self-esteem and
00:35:41self-worth is just
00:35:42tanked.
00:35:43Like, why am I
00:35:44even here anymore?
00:35:47She's definitely
00:35:48traumatized by it.
00:35:50It took me months
00:35:51to feel anything
00:35:53about this case.
00:35:55Like, this stuff
00:35:56does not, you know,
00:35:57hit just like that.
00:35:59It takes a while
00:36:00to actually set it.
00:36:01So, you know,
00:36:03like right now,
00:36:04I just don't know
00:36:04how it can.
00:36:07Her brain processes
00:36:09it on her terms.
00:36:11And she needed
00:36:12to do it her way.
00:36:20About 26 months
00:36:21after the arrest,
00:36:23I got a call from
00:36:24Allison saying that
00:36:25he wanted to meet
00:36:26me.
00:36:29He wanted to sit
00:36:30face to face
00:36:31and, you know,
00:36:31admit his crimes.
00:36:36and give his time
00:36:38before he confessed
00:36:39to the world.
00:36:52Walking into that room,
00:36:54um,
00:36:57I saw my dad,
00:36:58the man,
00:36:59not necessarily
00:37:00the monster.
00:37:02They, uh,
00:37:04set up his handcuffs
00:37:06to the chair
00:37:06and everything.
00:37:09What was the first
00:37:11question you
00:37:11asked your father?
00:37:23What was the first
00:37:24question you
00:37:25asked your father?
00:37:29Something that was
00:37:30really important
00:37:31to me
00:37:31and really just
00:37:32how I'm going
00:37:33to get past this
00:37:33was were any
00:37:34of them,
00:37:35how many were there?
00:37:36He said eight.
00:37:38Um,
00:37:40he did tell me
00:37:40the first murder
00:37:41wasn't planned.
00:37:43In 1993,
00:37:45he killed
00:37:46Sandra Castilla
00:37:48in his car
00:37:49at the time.
00:37:50Do you remember
00:37:50that car?
00:37:52Um,
00:37:53I remember
00:37:54as a kid,
00:37:55uh,
00:37:55he had a,
00:37:56um,
00:37:57a Dodge Ram
00:37:57charger.
00:37:59Did you ever ride
00:38:00in that Dodge Ram?
00:38:01I did.
00:38:02I did.
00:38:02As a kid,
00:38:03we did ride
00:38:04in the Ram
00:38:05Charger.
00:38:08So,
00:38:09besides Sandra Castilla,
00:38:10he did say
00:38:11that they were all
00:38:12and the rest
00:38:13were in the house.
00:38:14You know,
00:38:15in the,
00:38:15in the kill room.
00:38:18And he said,
00:38:19Karen,
00:38:19Valerie,
00:38:20and Jessica
00:38:22were,
00:38:23um,
00:38:26murdered and mutilated
00:38:27and dismembered
00:38:28in that room.
00:38:33And my dad
00:38:34has confirmed
00:38:35that one of them
00:38:36was killed
00:38:36in,
00:38:37in their bed.
00:38:43I also asked him
00:38:44about his planning
00:38:45document
00:38:45that was created
00:38:47in 2000
00:38:47before Valerie Mack's
00:38:49murder.
00:38:50My dad told me
00:38:52he first created
00:38:53that document
00:38:55as a way
00:38:56to try to
00:38:57distract himself
00:38:59from having
00:39:00to actually
00:39:01do the act itself.
00:39:02If he,
00:39:03you know,
00:39:03puts it on paper
00:39:04and acts it out
00:39:05in his head
00:39:06that,
00:39:07that would
00:39:08curb the zone,
00:39:09you know,
00:39:09curb the urge.
00:39:12On the planning document,
00:39:14under problems,
00:39:15he writes
00:39:16photos,
00:39:17question mark,
00:39:18and under supplies,
00:39:20he writes
00:39:20photo film.
00:39:22Um,
00:39:23he said he took
00:39:23two pictures,
00:39:26only two,
00:39:27out of all eight murders,
00:39:28he only took
00:39:28two pictures,
00:39:31but nobody's
00:39:32seen these pictures.
00:39:33He destroyed them
00:39:35promptly afterwards.
00:39:37They were
00:39:38long destroyed.
00:39:40Did you ever ask him
00:39:41why he did
00:39:42those horrific things?
00:39:44He said that
00:39:45his demons
00:39:45got to him.
00:39:46When he was
00:39:47in a certain opportunity
00:39:48or there was
00:39:49a certain catalyst
00:39:50in front of him
00:39:51that would
00:39:51start to create
00:39:52these,
00:39:53these dark urges.
00:39:55It was a sickness.
00:39:57I asked him,
00:39:59like,
00:39:59well,
00:39:59did you see them
00:40:00as somebody's daughter?
00:40:02He told me
00:40:03he didn't even
00:40:04see them as human.
00:40:11But did you ask him,
00:40:13I'm your daughter?
00:40:15Did you ever think
00:40:16think of me
00:40:16when you were doing this?
00:40:18Yes.
00:40:20He said he doesn't
00:40:21think about
00:40:21the family.
00:40:23He never thought
00:40:24about me
00:40:25when he was doing it.
00:40:27They were completely
00:40:28kept separate
00:40:29and he never let
00:40:30the two cross.
00:40:33So I'm like,
00:40:34okay,
00:40:34he's a loving dad,
00:40:35a dad and a serial killer.
00:40:38how did he manage
00:40:39that the two
00:40:40never crossed?
00:40:43Seven women
00:40:44have been murdered
00:40:45in this house.
00:40:48It's hard to stomach.
00:41:15I had a lot.
00:41:16I had like a whole,
00:41:17almost two years
00:41:17to have mentally
00:41:19prepared me for this.
00:41:21The uncertainty
00:41:22of not knowing
00:41:23was a lot harder
00:41:25than eventually
00:41:26finding out.
00:41:31With everything
00:41:32that has happened,
00:41:32how am I supposed
00:41:33to just go back
00:41:33to normal,
00:41:34you know?
00:41:36So,
00:41:38I do accept
00:41:39his guilt
00:41:40and the crimes
00:41:41that he has,
00:41:43the crimes
00:41:44that he has done.
00:41:49What are you doing?
00:41:51I am
00:41:53lighting some,
00:41:54some sage
00:41:54down here.
00:41:56Uh,
00:41:58what does the sage do?
00:42:00Uh,
00:42:00just to cleanse
00:42:01the area
00:42:02of, um,
00:42:04after hearing
00:42:05that some of the victims
00:42:06were killed,
00:42:07killed down here,
00:42:09especially in,
00:42:10in this room.
00:42:13Um,
00:42:17I kind of,
00:42:18In here?
00:42:19Yeah,
00:42:19I just want to
00:42:21clear out the
00:42:25energy
00:42:25of it all
00:42:27and send,
00:42:28you know,
00:42:28and hopefully
00:42:29the,
00:42:30any linger,
00:42:31you know,
00:42:31any,
00:42:32any other spirits
00:42:34are pure,
00:42:34they can,
00:42:35you know,
00:42:36finally rest.
00:42:39She was just
00:42:40very kind-hearted,
00:42:41you know?
00:42:42She made mistakes.
00:42:42Who doesn't?
00:42:43She didn't deserve this.
00:42:44Nobody deserves this.
00:42:45She's just a beautiful,
00:42:46beautiful,
00:42:47loving human being
00:42:49and I,
00:42:50I miss her terribly.
00:42:53It kind of makes sense
00:42:54now after hearing
00:42:55that some of them
00:42:57were killed here.
00:42:58There were just,
00:42:58some moments
00:42:58were just,
00:43:00the energy,
00:43:01there was just
00:43:02really...
00:43:03You were feeling it?
00:43:04Yeah.
00:43:04It brings me happiness
00:43:06to know
00:43:06that he will not
00:43:07be having access
00:43:08to any other girls.
00:43:10It brings me peace
00:43:12to know
00:43:12that my sister
00:43:13is laying
00:43:13where she should
00:43:14be with my family
00:43:15and that
00:43:16if my parents
00:43:17were here
00:43:18and my sister
00:43:18was here,
00:43:21she would say
00:43:22thank you.
00:43:24The lingering anger,
00:43:25the lingering
00:43:27emotions,
00:43:28everything,
00:43:29you just kind of
00:43:29just hear.
00:43:32I remember
00:43:33as a kid,
00:43:34I would watch TV,
00:43:36play video games
00:43:37in that area
00:43:38and that is about
00:43:39maybe 10 feet
00:43:41from where
00:43:42those women
00:43:43were mutilated
00:43:44or murdered.
00:43:46That image was
00:43:47in my head
00:43:47of just,
00:43:48you know,
00:43:49yeah,
00:43:49I was watching TV
00:43:50right where he,
00:43:51you know,
00:43:52he did all these things.
00:43:58It's him.
00:44:00You want to get Asa?
00:44:02Y'all bring her down.
00:44:05An incarcerated individual
00:44:06at Suffolk County
00:44:08Correctional Facility.
00:44:09This call is subject
00:44:10to recording
00:44:11and monitoring.
00:44:15Hey there.
00:44:17Hey, how are you?
00:44:18I'm good.
00:44:20I'm good.
00:44:21I'm standing here
00:44:21with your daughter.
00:44:24Oh, that's good.
00:44:26How is she doing?
00:44:28She's hanging in there.
00:44:29We were just talking
00:44:30about what it was like
00:44:32for her
00:44:33and for you
00:44:35after the meeting.
00:44:42It's difficult
00:44:43to go into
00:44:45details about that
00:44:46because there's such
00:44:48an array
00:44:49of mixed emotions.
00:44:51Sure.
00:44:54Is Asa coming down?
00:44:58Are you allowed
00:44:58to call back?
00:44:59Because I know
00:45:00you're going to run
00:45:00out of time.
00:45:02All right.
00:45:03I'll call you back.
00:45:05All right.
00:45:05Let's head upstairs.
00:45:14Hold on.
00:45:17Camera speeds.
00:45:19Ready, guys?
00:45:20Sure.
00:45:27An incarcerated individual
00:45:29at this call
00:45:30is subject
00:45:30to recording
00:45:31and monitoring.
00:45:34Hey there.
00:45:35Hi.
00:45:37Hello.
00:45:39Hello.
00:45:39How are you doing?
00:45:39We even have Christopher
00:45:40next to us.
00:45:42Mr. How's doing?
00:45:43How are you doing?
00:45:44I'm doing all right.
00:45:49So we're all sitting here
00:45:51together in the den.
00:45:53Hey, John.
00:45:56How are you doing, dear?
00:45:57I'm doing okay.
00:46:02Did he provide clarity?
00:46:04You needed to hear it from him?
00:46:07Yes and no.
00:46:09I mean, clarity comes from
00:46:11much more than just him
00:46:12saying something, you know.
00:46:13Um, but him saying it
00:46:15now, it helps my mind
00:46:18because now that I know,
00:46:21then it's easier for me
00:46:23to move forward.
00:46:28I don't want to say something.
00:46:30Go ahead.
00:46:31Hold on.
00:46:31Christopher's next to me.
00:46:33He wants to talk.
00:46:35I don't know what else to say,
00:46:38but...
00:46:39Don't you need to do?
00:46:40What?
00:46:42You need to take charge
00:46:43because you know how to talk
00:46:46the best out of everybody
00:46:48sitting there.
00:46:49You know how to talk
00:46:50about how you feel.
00:46:52Right.
00:46:53You start.
00:46:56Great idea.
00:46:57Because you know
00:46:59the other two sitting there
00:47:00are going to sit there
00:47:01and stare at each other
00:47:03for at least a good 20 minutes
00:47:04before either one of them
00:47:06would say anything.
00:47:08Right.
00:47:09That about summing up.
00:47:11Why was it important
00:47:12for you, Rex,
00:47:13to sit down with them
00:47:16and answer their questions?
00:47:20It was something that
00:47:21we needed to do
00:47:23face to face
00:47:24and be honest with each other.
00:47:28It needed to be done
00:47:31person to person,
00:47:32heart to heart.
00:47:36So I went in
00:47:37just until I opened the box.
00:47:42Is that what you guys felt?
00:47:43Do you feel that?
00:47:45That he was receptive
00:47:46to your questions?
00:47:47Yeah.
00:47:48Yes.
00:47:49Good.
00:47:51Were you surprised
00:47:52by any of the questions
00:47:53that they asked?
00:47:57Well, Victoria's question
00:47:59in about a two-year-old.
00:48:02It took me by surprise.
00:48:07I also see her
00:48:10straight-out honest answer
00:48:12on that question.
00:48:14I figured it'd take my opportunity
00:48:16to ask when I, you know,
00:48:17when I had it.
00:48:19He said I wasn't born yet
00:48:21when Sandra Castilla
00:48:23and Karen Vergata
00:48:24were murdered.
00:48:25I was three
00:48:26when Valerie Mack was murdered.
00:48:29I was six
00:48:30when Jessica Taylor
00:48:31was murdered.
00:48:33I was ten
00:48:34when Maureen Bainer-Barnes
00:48:35was murdered.
00:48:37I was twelve
00:48:38when Melissa Bartholomey
00:48:39was murdered.
00:48:41And I was thirteen
00:48:43when Megan Waterman
00:48:45and Amber Castilla
00:48:47were murdered.
00:48:55Why do you think
00:48:56he stopped killing?
00:48:58Rex told me
00:48:59that toward the last two killings
00:49:02he knew he wasn't getting
00:49:03the same gratification.
00:49:04He wasn't receiving
00:49:06the adrenaline rush.
00:49:08And by his last kill
00:49:09he knew he was going to stop.
00:49:11And I looked at him
00:49:12and I said,
00:49:13well, I beg to differ
00:49:14a little bit.
00:49:14Look at the timing.
00:49:16Shannon Gilbert
00:49:17had gone missing.
00:49:18And that family,
00:49:19they kept that case alive
00:49:21until someone paid attention.
00:49:24And because of that,
00:49:25his killings were found.
00:49:26So it became so sensational
00:49:28and it became so newsworthy
00:49:31that subconsciously
00:49:32or consciously,
00:49:34that's when he decided
00:49:35to stop killing.
00:49:36I think he was very concerned
00:49:38about getting caught.
00:49:39And I think he knew
00:49:40he was going to get caught.
00:49:41And it's been fourteen years.
00:49:48Do you think it's possible
00:49:49that your dad murdered
00:49:51more victims?
00:49:53I don't know.
00:49:57But
00:49:59one was too many.
00:50:02One was too many.
00:50:17Take us back
00:50:18to the beginning.
00:50:19The first time
00:50:20you came face to face
00:50:21with Rex Heuerman.
00:50:23You walk into a private room
00:50:25and you see
00:50:26a six-foot-four,
00:50:28270-pound
00:50:29serial killer.
00:50:30Yeah.
00:50:31Sitting there,
00:50:32handcuffed,
00:50:33shackled.
00:50:37So I walk into the jail.
00:50:39I go through security.
00:50:41Rex is already sitting there.
00:50:46And he was absolutely
00:50:49analyzing me
00:50:50in his mind.
00:50:53He looked at me
00:50:55and he said to me
00:50:56like he was special.
00:50:58Have you ever sat
00:50:59with a serial killer before?
00:51:01I know his body language
00:51:03and I know where
00:51:04it's coming from
00:51:05and it's coming from
00:51:06the narcissism.
00:51:07So I looked right at him
00:51:08and I paused
00:51:10and I said,
00:51:11I have not.
00:51:13But
00:51:15you're all the same.
00:51:16I said,
00:51:17you're not that special.
00:51:19And he looked at me
00:51:20and he just kind of froze.
00:51:23And then eventually
00:51:24you build a rapport,
00:51:25you build trust,
00:51:26you build
00:51:27a connection.
00:51:30And finally
00:51:31it happened.
00:51:33He looked at me
00:51:35right in the face,
00:51:36right in the eyes
00:51:37and he turned
00:51:37his whole body
00:51:38toward me.
00:51:40And he goes,
00:51:41do you have any idea
00:51:42what it's like
00:51:43to want to kill someone?
00:51:45To hurt?
00:51:46To kill?
00:51:47To play God
00:51:48and end somebody's life?
00:51:50You don't know
00:51:51what that's like.
00:51:54After that,
00:51:55Rex is sharing
00:51:57everything with me,
00:51:58details about the crimes,
00:52:00his mind,
00:52:01how he thinks.
00:52:02So the deeper that gets,
00:52:04the darker that gets.
00:52:07Did he talk about
00:52:08what it is
00:52:08that brings him
00:52:09to that point
00:52:10where he decides
00:52:11to kill
00:52:11the moment he chooses
00:52:13to take a life?
00:52:15Why he does not know,
00:52:16I've asked.
00:52:16I've asked the why.
00:52:18They really don't have
00:52:19answers in those moments.
00:52:21They don't.
00:52:22He doesn't know why.
00:52:23The only thing
00:52:24that he's able
00:52:25to really come up with
00:52:26is that
00:52:27he gets to know
00:52:28them as people.
00:52:30If he gets to know
00:52:31someone,
00:52:31he gets vulnerable.
00:52:32He's not in total control.
00:52:34So if he felt
00:52:35he was losing
00:52:35a sense of control,
00:52:36what would he do?
00:52:38He would pursue
00:52:38with a kill,
00:52:40which was planned
00:52:41because he set up
00:52:42his house for it prior.
00:52:43So he met them once.
00:52:44He got to know them,
00:52:45had a transaction,
00:52:46set up a second time,
00:52:48and had his four-day plan.
00:52:51Day one was the prep,
00:52:52which he cleaned
00:52:53the entire basement.
00:52:56And he would prepare
00:52:59for his time
00:53:00with them in the house.
00:53:02The second day,
00:53:03he's with the victim,
00:53:05which he says
00:53:06was always very enjoyable,
00:53:07and he was very kind
00:53:10until they were
00:53:10going to be murdered.
00:53:12And then a lot of it
00:53:13was the post-mortem,
00:53:15his playtime.
00:53:17And that night
00:53:18was the dump.
00:53:20The third day
00:53:21was his cleanup day.
00:53:23He had to take
00:53:24every single thing
00:53:25he used,
00:53:26tools,
00:53:28tarps,
00:53:29clothes,
00:53:31everything,
00:53:32and he would
00:53:33dispose of it
00:53:34so there was,
00:53:34in his mind,
00:53:35no evidence.
00:53:37He would say,
00:53:38well, day four
00:53:38is in case of emergencies.
00:53:40I just need
00:53:41the extra day.
00:53:42It's a four-day high.
00:53:45It's a four-day
00:53:46adrenaline rush.
00:53:51And then he'd fly
00:53:52out to his family.
00:53:55And over time,
00:53:56he would try
00:53:57to perfect his process.
00:54:00Exactly.
00:54:03He told me
00:54:03that he would
00:54:04take a stopwatch,
00:54:06before he would
00:54:06dump a body
00:54:07at Gilgo Beach.
00:54:10And he went
00:54:11from his first kill,
00:54:12two minutes
00:54:13and 32 seconds,
00:54:16to his last kill
00:54:17at Gilgo.
00:54:18He would hit
00:54:19the timer,
00:54:20dump the body,
00:54:21get back in the truck,
00:54:22and hit the timer again.
00:54:2537 seconds.
00:54:27He's so meticulous,
00:54:29detail-oriented,
00:54:31pathological,
00:54:32control,
00:54:33domination.
00:54:33He had to beat himself
00:54:35at his own game.
00:54:36Clearly,
00:54:37he enjoyed killing,
00:54:38and it became
00:54:39a sickness for him.
00:54:41It became an outlet.
00:54:42It became an obsession.
00:54:48Session 12.
00:54:50Today, Rex opened up
00:54:51about his childhood,
00:54:53his impressionable years.
00:54:55Rex doesn't remember much
00:54:57of his childhood,
00:54:58but some of those memories
00:55:00are starting to return
00:55:01as we talk about it
00:55:02more and more.
00:55:04How did he describe
00:55:05his father?
00:55:06He was non-approachable,
00:55:08very domineering,
00:55:09very controlling,
00:55:10loud.
00:55:11He was always being yelled at,
00:55:13screamed at.
00:55:14He did nothing right.
00:55:17He was a man
00:55:18of integrity.
00:55:20He spent time
00:55:22with his children.
00:55:24Whenever Dad was home,
00:55:25they would be in the garage
00:55:26hanging out with Dad.
00:55:28He fought in World War II.
00:55:30He was a co-pilot.
00:55:32We are through.
00:55:33One of Rex's favorite TV shows
00:55:36is Hogan's Heroes.
00:55:38Hogan!
00:55:39It reminded him
00:55:41of his father.
00:55:43Look at me.
00:55:44I only work here.
00:55:46Airplanes,
00:55:47pilots.
00:55:49Rex had always wanted
00:55:51to join the Air Force.
00:55:52But he couldn't
00:55:53because he was dyslexic.
00:55:57So he was disappointed.
00:56:01He died when Rex was 12.
00:56:04He had been ill,
00:56:07but it was a sudden death,
00:56:09though, for everybody.
00:56:10His dad was very critical of him,
00:56:13and I do believe
00:56:14it manifested into
00:56:16why he's very methodical,
00:56:19OCD.
00:56:21obsessive on certain things
00:56:23because he was criticized
00:56:24so much.
00:56:26The tabloids ran a story
00:56:28that Rex was a mama's boy.
00:56:30Tell me about Dolores Heuermann.
00:56:32Was she hard on him?
00:56:34Dolores was not hard
00:56:36on Rex at all, okay?
00:56:38She had five children.
00:56:40Every single one of them
00:56:42had a uniqueness to them,
00:56:44and she was proud of them.
00:56:47How did he describe his mother?
00:56:52Not available.
00:56:55His mother wasn't
00:56:56emotionally available for him.
00:56:59She was self-absorbed
00:57:00and detached from any emotions
00:57:03that he had
00:57:04or any grief
00:57:05in regards to his own dad.
00:57:07He says he pretty much
00:57:09raised himself.
00:57:10Dad passes away.
00:57:11Mom's trying to run a house
00:57:14with five children.
00:57:15It was chaos in the house.
00:57:19So Rex didn't have
00:57:20much of a voice.
00:57:22He wasn't really heard
00:57:23as a child.
00:57:25And I go,
00:57:26what did you do?
00:57:27He held it all in.
00:57:29He goes,
00:57:30I keep it here.
00:57:33When did Rex first tell you
00:57:35he began having dark thoughts?
00:57:38So Rex in later high school
00:57:40shares with me
00:57:41he starts having thoughts
00:57:42that he knew weren't healthy.
00:57:44He did not know
00:57:45what they were per se.
00:57:47He did not know
00:57:48how violent they were.
00:57:51But he knew his thinking
00:57:53wasn't right.
00:57:55Rex knew there was
00:57:56a piece of him missing.
00:57:57He didn't know
00:57:58what that piece was.
00:57:59He couldn't put it into words.
00:58:03So he started pornography,
00:58:07books on death.
00:58:08He became very fascinated
00:58:09with dissecting a human body.
00:58:12And the sex
00:58:13and the pornography
00:58:14and the human body
00:58:15and all of that
00:58:16in a mind that's not healthy
00:58:18is a very dangerous recipe.
00:58:21There was one session
00:58:22in particular
00:58:23he told me about a book.
00:58:25It's called Death Scenes.
00:58:26It was hard to look at.
00:58:29It's bodies mutilated,
00:58:31heads cut off,
00:58:32arms cut off,
00:58:34hundreds and hundreds
00:58:35of wounds everywhere,
00:58:37pure mutilation.
00:58:39That's what was fascinating him.
00:58:41That's what was feeding his mind.
00:58:43There was no healthy
00:58:45sexual experiences in his life.
00:58:48Maybe he witnessed
00:58:49an unhealthy events
00:58:52that he wasn't able
00:58:53to process right.
00:58:54Sex and violence
00:58:55went hand in hand for him
00:58:56somewhere subconsciously.
00:58:58It goes one layer,
00:58:59one layer, one layer,
00:59:00one thought feeds another thought,
00:59:02feeds another thought,
00:59:03feeds another thought,
00:59:04deeper and deeper and deeper
00:59:05to more and more evil.
00:59:07He couldn't put the brakes on it.
00:59:09He had no control of stopping it.
00:59:11It overrides him.
00:59:13He kept it all inside,
00:59:15fed his own addiction,
00:59:16his own demons,
00:59:20and it led him to a place
00:59:21he hurt other people
00:59:26brutally, violently.
00:59:28His outlet was
00:59:35to kill.
00:59:47Dear Mr. Douglas,
00:59:49I hope this message
00:59:50finds you out.
00:59:52John Douglas is this legendary
00:59:53profiler.
00:59:55He wrote this seminal book
00:59:57called Mindhunter,
00:59:59and that Rex Hureman
01:00:00referenced Mindhunter
01:00:01several times
01:00:02in his planning document.
01:00:05I'm currently working
01:00:06with Rex Hureman,
01:00:08often referred to
01:00:09as the Gilgo Beach
01:00:11serial killer.
01:00:12Mr. Hureman
01:00:13has studied your books.
01:00:15In fact,
01:00:16he and I discussed
01:00:17Mindhunter often.
01:00:19We're trying to get
01:00:21to the root cause
01:00:22of his fantasies,
01:00:23which created
01:00:24his urges to kill.
01:00:25He can't explain
01:00:27why he did this?
01:00:28Is he a true psychopath?
01:00:30I don't know.
01:00:32I know there's
01:00:33a chemical component,
01:00:34a genetic component,
01:00:36family component.
01:00:37There's a little bit
01:00:38of everything
01:00:39overlapping at once.
01:00:41I would love
01:00:42to talk to you more
01:00:43and get your expert
01:00:45opinion on this topic.
01:00:51Alison,
01:00:52how are you?
01:00:53Hi, John.
01:00:54How are you?
01:00:54Welcome, welcome.
01:00:55Come on in.
01:00:56Thank you for having me.
01:00:57It's great for coming here.
01:00:58I have your book.
01:01:00I do.
01:01:01I have your book.
01:01:01I was wondering
01:01:02who bought my book.
01:01:03That was me.
01:01:05What you were able
01:01:05to do was amazing,
01:01:06getting to interview
01:01:07the, not only the subject
01:01:09in the case,
01:01:10but the family.
01:01:11I've never done that before.
01:01:12I usually,
01:01:13I'll interview the subject,
01:01:14maybe sometimes
01:01:15he's already incarcerated,
01:01:16and the victims.
01:01:17I deal with victims
01:01:17of violent crime.
01:01:18But this,
01:01:19you're really,
01:01:20you know,
01:01:21it's great.
01:01:21That's why I was so excited
01:01:23to come speak with you,
01:01:24because it is
01:01:25a different perspective.
01:01:26I'm grounded
01:01:27in family systems.
01:01:28So my goal
01:01:29is to take trauma
01:01:31of families,
01:01:32whatever the trauma is,
01:01:33and to help them navigate
01:01:35to hopefully
01:01:37a healthier place
01:01:38so they can move on.
01:01:39This specific family,
01:01:41Asa,
01:01:42is so loyal,
01:01:43so dependent
01:01:44on Rex,
01:01:45where I realized
01:01:47very early on
01:01:48that I needed him
01:01:49to help me help her,
01:01:51because the denial
01:01:52was thick.
01:01:53But Asa always says
01:01:55to me,
01:01:56how on earth
01:01:56can he call me
01:01:57to make sure
01:01:58I got to Vermont safely,
01:01:59call me three to four times a day,
01:02:01show up at work,
01:02:02live his daily life,
01:02:04how does he jump
01:02:05from one mind
01:02:06to the other minds?
01:02:11They do not identify
01:02:13with these victims
01:02:14like you and I would do.
01:02:16In fact,
01:02:16I used to have
01:02:16major arguments
01:02:17with law enforcement.
01:02:19Don't polygraph,
01:02:20do not polygraph
01:02:21these guys.
01:02:22These crimes
01:02:23are justifiable
01:02:24in their mind,
01:02:25so you're not going
01:02:26to get any reaction
01:02:27out of them.
01:02:28Interesting.
01:02:30I was involved
01:02:31in the BTK investigation
01:02:33first in 1979
01:02:35and then in 1984
01:02:36did the analysis.
01:02:38Very similar,
01:02:39you know,
01:02:40with Rex here.
01:02:41Children each lived
01:02:42in the same small house.
01:02:44Each house
01:02:45was originally
01:02:47their parents' home,
01:02:48which is very,
01:02:49very unique.
01:02:51BTK,
01:02:51he surfaced
01:02:52somewhere in his
01:02:53late 20s too.
01:02:54Very similar types
01:02:56of backgrounds,
01:02:57the fantasies,
01:02:57but if I would have
01:02:59Dennis Rader here
01:03:00and Rex here,
01:03:01I believe that
01:03:03Rader would be
01:03:04jealous of Rex.
01:03:07Why is that?
01:03:08The ultimate
01:03:09with these subjects
01:03:11is to keep a victim
01:03:12for a period of time.
01:03:13In the fantasy,
01:03:14they have them locked up,
01:03:16they have them in a room,
01:03:17and that was a strong fantasy
01:03:19with Dennis Rader,
01:03:20but he didn't have that room,
01:03:22he didn't have that location.
01:03:24So here you have Rex,
01:03:25he has the place
01:03:26to do whatever he wants to do,
01:03:27carry out his
01:03:28sadistic fantasies.
01:03:30I don't know
01:03:31if he told you
01:03:31any of this about fantasy,
01:03:33how they get heavy
01:03:34into fantasy,
01:03:34because that's,
01:03:35that's how it all begins.
01:03:38With fantasy,
01:03:39everything works,
01:03:40everything is perfect
01:03:41in the fantasy,
01:03:41and they have a,
01:03:43we call it
01:03:43preferential victim.
01:03:46preferential victim
01:03:46may be a certain size,
01:03:49a petite color.
01:03:51So I'm on the hunt,
01:03:52and these predators
01:03:53do hunt.
01:03:54They hunt looking
01:03:55for victims
01:03:56that they're sure
01:03:57they can get away with.
01:03:59You look into a crowd
01:04:00differently than he
01:04:01would look into a crowd.
01:04:02He is the lion
01:04:03on a Serengeti plane.
01:04:04He's not going to go
01:04:05after the water buffalo
01:04:07that's, that's strong
01:04:08and healthy.
01:04:09The lion is looking
01:04:10at weakness.
01:04:12So these guys,
01:04:13like Rex,
01:04:13are the lion
01:04:14on a Serengeti plane.
01:04:19In speaking with Rex,
01:04:20he always said to me,
01:04:21and he still says consistently,
01:04:23it's not about the women.
01:04:25It's not the women,
01:04:26which leads me to believe
01:04:28and we talk about,
01:04:29it's clearly he's detached
01:04:31from the person
01:04:32that he's mutilating,
01:04:33but he gets a lot
01:04:35of self-gratification
01:04:36post-mortem.
01:04:38He could say what he wants,
01:04:39but you know,
01:04:40it's still sadistic.
01:04:44It's the violence
01:04:45that really turns him on.
01:04:46He does it downstairs
01:04:49in the kill room,
01:04:50which was his old bedroom,
01:04:53where he keeps a lot
01:04:54of his childhood memories.
01:04:55It's a comfort zone
01:04:57of him,
01:04:58just like the disposal sites
01:04:59are a comfort zone.
01:05:00There has to be
01:05:01some attachment there.
01:05:05He put these victims
01:05:06through hell
01:05:07and it wasn't a swift kill.
01:05:09It didn't have to be
01:05:09a swift kill
01:05:10because no one was home.
01:05:12No one could hear
01:05:13the screams and yells
01:05:14coming from his cellar.
01:05:17Is he a psychopath?
01:05:18It's my question.
01:05:19Oh, yeah, definitely
01:05:19a psychopath.
01:05:21When he's doing this,
01:05:22these killings,
01:05:23he has to be,
01:05:24what's going through his mind
01:05:26has to be something,
01:05:27you know, related
01:05:29early on in his life.
01:05:30To a trauma.
01:05:30To a trauma.
01:05:31Trauma in his life.
01:05:31I wouldn't be surprised
01:05:32if there's a sexual component
01:05:34of this.
01:05:35Something happened to him
01:05:36very, very early
01:05:37in his life.
01:05:41There's something there.
01:05:42So you feel
01:05:43that he knows
01:05:43the answers
01:05:44to a lot of the why.
01:05:46He's just not ready
01:05:47to verbalize it.
01:05:49Yeah.
01:05:50They know.
01:05:50They know the answers.
01:05:51Something went on there,
01:05:52you know, with him sexually.
01:05:54Something had to do that.
01:05:57So the notion
01:05:58that Rex
01:06:00created a kill room
01:06:01in his childhood room,
01:06:03is there an overlap there,
01:06:05subconsciously or consciously?
01:06:07I think with the kill room,
01:06:09it started as a teenage.
01:06:11I could see him as a teenager,
01:06:13beginning a lot of these fantasies
01:06:15in his teen years.
01:06:16May have been fueled
01:06:18by pornography.
01:06:22That kind of stuff
01:06:23starts very, very young.
01:06:24It doesn't always have to start
01:06:25in the mid-20s.
01:06:26And he says it started young.
01:06:28In your fantasy,
01:06:29you're writing a script.
01:06:31The script is being written
01:06:33through your fantasy.
01:06:34This stuff has to fester.
01:06:36Fester at an early, early age,
01:06:38in those teens,
01:06:39when he was down
01:06:40in his room down there.
01:06:41Going through puberty,
01:06:43his fantasies,
01:06:44I'm sure,
01:06:45were different kind of fantasies
01:06:46than a normal kind of teenager.
01:06:47And he'll admit to that.
01:06:48No, that's,
01:06:49that would fit.
01:06:50And it would be violent,
01:06:52a violent kind of tendency.
01:06:54Are they ever free
01:06:55of that urge?
01:06:56No, they never get free.
01:06:57There's no burden.
01:06:58The urges never go away.
01:06:59To keep reminding,
01:07:00it's not a sexual thing.
01:07:03It's anger, power, control,
01:07:04Oh, I believe that.
01:07:05Domination.
01:07:05I can see that with Rex.
01:07:07Yeah.
01:07:08With insecurity,
01:07:08some of the most gregarious
01:07:09serial killers
01:07:10you'd ever want to meet,
01:07:11like say,
01:07:12like a Ted Bundy,
01:07:13have strong feelings
01:07:14of inadequacies.
01:07:16How can this inadequate nobody
01:07:17become a somebody
01:07:18to get,
01:07:19to regain this power
01:07:20and control?
01:07:22I can go out and kill.
01:07:25And he didn't start killing,
01:07:27according to him,
01:07:28until he was 30.
01:07:29He's admitted to eight.
01:07:30Do we believe that?
01:07:31Am I naive to believe that?
01:07:33I don't believe
01:07:34he started killing at 30.
01:07:36There may be cases
01:07:38that he does not want
01:07:39to admit to
01:07:40because in those states,
01:07:41like where he has a house,
01:07:43I believe,
01:07:43in South Carolina,
01:07:44and I've worked many cases
01:07:45down there,
01:07:45they got the death penalty
01:07:46and they use it.
01:07:49In South Carolina,
01:07:50where Rex Uriman
01:07:51has property
01:07:52and his brother has property,
01:07:54investigators were curious
01:07:55about a missing teenager,
01:07:57Aaliyah Bell,
01:07:58and also a woman,
01:08:00Julianne Bean,
01:08:00who was 36.
01:08:0218-year-old Aaliyah Bell
01:08:04went missing back in 2014.
01:08:05Bell disappeared
01:08:06around 20 miles
01:08:08from property
01:08:08owned by Uriman.
01:08:10In Julia M. Bean's case,
01:08:12her daughter saw a picture
01:08:13of Rex Uriman
01:08:14and said,
01:08:14that's the guy
01:08:15that I last saw
01:08:16with my mother.
01:08:17She recognized him
01:08:18right away.
01:08:19She said that was
01:08:20the last person
01:08:21she ever saw
01:08:21with her mom.
01:08:23I think he has
01:08:25a lot of hidden secrets here.
01:08:26He's a malignant,
01:08:27narcissistic,
01:08:28sadistic,
01:08:29psychopathic,
01:08:30serial killer.
01:08:31Had he not been apprehended,
01:08:33I think he would
01:08:33have killed more.
01:08:43Tomorrow will be
01:08:44the first time
01:08:45seeing Rex
01:08:46in a public courtroom
01:08:47since his private confession,
01:08:49and almost certainly
01:08:51the last
01:08:51before he tells
01:08:52the whole world
01:08:53what you already know.
01:08:55with the stage
01:08:56set for justice
01:08:57to finally be served,
01:08:59is there now room
01:09:01for forgiveness?
01:09:03Victoria,
01:09:04do you forgive
01:09:05your father?
01:09:07I do.
01:09:09You know,
01:09:10I do.
01:09:11I do forgive him.
01:09:12I can't move forward
01:09:13unless I do.
01:09:15I don't think
01:09:16it's in my place
01:09:17to forgive him.
01:09:21I'm not the one
01:09:22who's judging him.
01:09:24God is.
01:09:28So he would need
01:09:30to get that
01:09:31from God.
01:09:41clearly, like,
01:09:42the mind of a serial killer
01:09:43is beyond,
01:09:44it's like,
01:09:44we don't know how,
01:09:46how it came to be.
01:09:47It's one in a million
01:09:48that, like,
01:09:49just wound up being one.
01:09:51So smart,
01:09:52they completely
01:09:52kept it from us,
01:09:53and that's what they do.
01:09:55They,
01:09:55serial killers
01:09:56don't let their loved ones
01:09:57see their other side,
01:09:59but he really was
01:10:00just those two people,
01:10:02and they never crossed.
01:10:04Like, you know,
01:10:05the two worlds
01:10:06never crossed.
01:10:07When I sat with him alone,
01:10:09we spoke of that.
01:10:11He has time
01:10:12to go through
01:10:13all the discovery
01:10:14of his case
01:10:14in his cell.
01:10:17So he sees photos
01:10:18of all of the eight women,
01:10:22and he spends time
01:10:24on these eight women
01:10:25talking with them.
01:10:28And I said to him,
01:10:29what,
01:10:29what do you say?
01:10:32And he said
01:10:33a whole bunch
01:10:33of different things.
01:10:34That was his answer,
01:10:35all different things.
01:10:37And then he says,
01:10:38I look at
01:10:39the dump sites,
01:10:41and I look at
01:10:42what was done,
01:10:43and I try to
01:10:44connect the two,
01:10:46and he can't do it.
01:10:47His words.
01:10:48He goes,
01:10:48I can't do it.
01:10:49I try.
01:10:50It's two different worlds.
01:10:53He's trying to connect
01:10:54emotion to what he's done,
01:10:56and he can't.
01:10:57He has emotion
01:10:58with you guys.
01:11:00He doesn't have emotion
01:11:01on the other side of it.
01:11:08Tomorrow's a big day.
01:11:09Let's get some sleep.
01:11:11All right.
01:11:12All right?
01:11:137.15.
01:11:16Okay?
01:11:18Bright and early.
01:11:33Accused Gil-Gil Beach
01:11:34serial killer Rex Heuerman
01:11:35returns to Suffolk court
01:11:36for another conference.
01:11:38Heuerman's attorney,
01:11:38Michael Brown,
01:11:39says he wants
01:11:40to break up the trial
01:11:40to avoid wrongly
01:11:42convicting him
01:11:42on all seven slayings.
01:11:44Each charge must fall
01:11:46or rise on its own.
01:11:48Prosecutors will file
01:11:49their motion
01:11:50for one
01:11:50and only one trial.
01:12:00So, Victoria.
01:12:02Yeah?
01:12:03Is this the first time
01:12:04you're seeing Dad since?
01:12:06He told you he was guilty?
01:12:08Yeah.
01:12:10The impact was already felt
01:12:11when Allison told me
01:12:12my dad wanted
01:12:13to confess to me.
01:12:15And then the meeting
01:12:15with him was
01:12:16another stage of impact.
01:12:18The next chapter
01:12:19is people's reactions.
01:12:23Is the world going to be
01:12:25considered,
01:12:26is society,
01:12:26people are going
01:12:27to be considered
01:12:28enough to know,
01:12:29yes, I'm the door
01:12:30of a serial killer,
01:12:32but that does not mean
01:12:33that I'm him.
01:12:34Even to the point
01:12:35you're going to see
01:12:36some of the victim's
01:12:36families today,
01:12:37Austin, same thing.
01:12:39Like, knowing what
01:12:39you now know,
01:12:41seeing the victim's
01:12:42families,
01:12:43any different feelings?
01:12:44I really don't know.
01:12:48I have no idea
01:12:49how you'll feel.
01:13:03Well, Victoria's here today
01:13:04and we know that
01:13:07Peacock said
01:13:07that you made a statement
01:13:08that you thought
01:13:09that your father
01:13:10might be guilty
01:13:11of the serial killing
01:13:12based on the publicly
01:13:14available evidence.
01:13:15She's not going to respond
01:13:15to anything today.
01:13:17Well, today's sort of D-Day.
01:13:19I mean,
01:13:19the judge will decide
01:13:20possibly the date,
01:13:21a decision on the date
01:13:22of the trial,
01:13:23and also whether there
01:13:25will be seven murders
01:13:26tried or...
01:13:27I don't think so.
01:13:28Okay, sure.
01:13:29I have something to say.
01:13:29I promise.
01:13:30The judge will decide,
01:13:31we believe,
01:13:33whether or not
01:13:34all seven murders
01:13:35will be tried
01:13:35in one case
01:13:36or if there will be
01:13:37separate trials.
01:13:40I think given
01:13:41all of the success
01:13:42of the prosecution
01:13:43in terms of these
01:13:44pretrial attempts
01:13:45the defense is making,
01:13:46they have fewer
01:13:47and fewer options,
01:13:48and this evidence
01:13:48is overwhelming.
01:13:50If I were the defense attorney,
01:13:51I'd be encouraging
01:13:52my client to take a plea
01:13:53personally.
01:14:03Am I afford it?
01:14:09Okay.
01:14:11Good morning, everybody.
01:14:12Thanks for coming.
01:14:13We are obviously here
01:14:14with Asa and Victoria
01:14:15to listen to today's proceedings.
01:14:17The court,
01:14:18primarily in the interest
01:14:19of judicial economy,
01:14:20and given the fact
01:14:21that the evidence
01:14:22of the charge
01:14:24are inextricably interwoven
01:14:26is not going to sever.
01:14:28So all seven of the victims
01:14:29are going to be tried
01:14:30together in one trial.
01:14:31Another nail
01:14:32in the coffin
01:14:32of the defense.
01:14:33There's a lot of talk
01:14:34out there that
01:14:35Rex Euroman might
01:14:36consider pleading guilty
01:14:38to spare his family
01:14:39the trauma of a trial.
01:14:41I think that's a decision
01:14:43that will be made
01:14:44by Mr. Heumann
01:14:45and his defense team
01:14:46and Mr. Tierney's office.
01:14:49Okay.
01:15:01Asa, you okay?
01:15:03Yes, I'm okay.
01:15:10Hold on.
01:15:13This is him again.
01:15:17An incarcerated individual
01:15:19at Suffolk County
01:15:20Correctional Facility.
01:15:22This call is subject
01:15:23to recording
01:15:23and monitoring.
01:15:26Hello?
01:15:28I want to call you back
01:15:30because I just wanted to say
01:15:34I know there's a lot
01:15:35to understand
01:15:38and you're not going
01:15:39to be able to do it
01:15:40once you know
01:15:41that and I know that.
01:15:43Don't let it flip you
01:15:45because I know
01:15:46you tend to do that.
01:15:49And I know
01:15:50I can't answer
01:15:51some of the questions
01:15:52that you have right now
01:15:55because we're on
01:15:56phone calls.
01:15:57Yeah, but you will
01:15:58in the future.
01:16:00Yes.
01:16:01Okay.
01:16:03I am patient.
01:16:04I am patient.
01:16:06I can wait.
01:16:08I always knew
01:16:10you didn't have
01:16:11as much patience
01:16:12as I do.
01:16:13But perhaps maybe
01:16:15you will be forced
01:16:16to be patient.
01:16:22Yes.
01:16:26My feelings are shifting.
01:16:29The one thing is ending
01:16:31and now there's
01:16:32a new chapter.
01:16:36In my hopes
01:16:37with Allison
01:16:38coming to visit you,
01:16:40I'm really honestly
01:16:41hoping that you will know
01:16:42that I am okay.
01:16:46I have my moments.
01:16:52I can tell
01:16:53in your voice.
01:16:59Do you look
01:17:00at him different now?
01:17:01I'm looking at him
01:17:05no differently
01:17:06than I ever saw him.
01:17:11That hasn't changed
01:17:13in my view
01:17:14at all.
01:17:17But there's a whole
01:17:18side of him
01:17:19you never knew.
01:17:20No, but that's
01:17:21a new side
01:17:21to get to know.
01:17:26How do you think
01:17:26you're going to get
01:17:27to know that side?
01:17:28Well, the only way
01:17:29to get to know
01:17:29that person
01:17:31is to go
01:17:32and visit him.
01:17:33Do you have any interest
01:17:35to get to know
01:17:35that person?
01:17:37Um, from a
01:17:40psychological standpoint,
01:17:42yes.
01:17:46Well, I also realized
01:17:48what I hung up for.
01:17:50I didn't say goodnight.
01:17:53You didn't?
01:17:56Oh, okay.
01:17:57Well, I would like
01:18:01to say goodnight.
01:18:09Yeah, all right.
01:18:15Goodnight.
01:18:33It is the understanding
01:18:34of the district attorney's
01:18:35office that the defendant
01:18:36will plead guilty
01:18:37to seven counts
01:18:38in the indictment.
01:18:39The defendant further
01:18:40agrees that although
01:18:42he has not been charged
01:18:43with this fraud,
01:18:44he will admit
01:18:45as part of his plea
01:18:46that he intentionally
01:18:47caused the death
01:18:47of Karen Vergata
01:18:48in 1996.
01:18:50To summarize
01:18:51the foregoing sentence,
01:18:53the defendant agrees
01:18:54to serve three
01:18:55consecutive life sentences
01:18:56without the possibility
01:18:57of parole
01:18:58regarding counts
01:18:59one through three,
01:19:00followed by four
01:19:01consecutive sentences
01:19:02of 25 years
01:19:04imprisonment to life
01:19:05to run consecutive
01:19:06to one another.
01:19:07Do you understand
01:19:08that by pleading guilty
01:19:09to a charge,
01:19:10that is the same
01:19:10as if you had gone
01:19:11to trial
01:19:11and found guilty
01:19:12of that charge?
01:19:13Yes, Your Honor.
01:19:14Are you pleading guilty
01:19:15voluntarily
01:19:16and have your own free will?
01:19:17Yes.
01:19:19We have some breaking news
01:19:20for you.
01:19:21A decades-long mystery
01:19:22has finally come
01:19:23to an end today.
01:19:24Rex Huberman
01:19:25has pleaded guilty.
01:19:44How did you not see
01:19:45what he was?
01:19:47How did you not
01:19:48see what he had done?
01:19:50You were living with him.
01:19:51Sir, this attorney's office
01:19:53has thoroughly,
01:19:54thoroughly investigated
01:19:54these crimes, okay?
01:19:56It has been proven.
01:19:57You were living
01:19:57in the same house with him.
01:19:59We've answered this
01:20:00a thousand times, okay?
01:20:01I believe that he was
01:20:02in guilty.
01:20:03Yes, that's it.
01:20:04There's no question.
01:20:19This defendant
01:20:20walked among us,
01:20:22play-acting
01:20:23as a normal suburban dad
01:20:25when in reality,
01:20:26all along,
01:20:27he was obsessively targeting
01:20:29innocent women for death.
01:20:34And while we in law enforcement,
01:20:36as well as our Suffolk County citizens,
01:20:38mourn the loss of these victims,
01:20:41we are also grateful to them
01:20:43and to their families
01:20:44because without them,
01:20:45this defendant
01:20:46would have never been brought
01:20:48to justice
01:20:48and would still
01:20:50be walking amongst us.
01:20:53To Maureen,
01:20:55the promise I made to you
01:20:56so long ago is simple.
01:20:59Sorry.
01:21:00I would never stop
01:21:02searching for justice for you.
01:21:04Through every year,
01:21:05every setback,
01:21:06every...
01:21:08Okay.
01:21:09Every unanswered question,
01:21:11I carried you with me
01:21:13and I kept that promise.
01:21:14And today,
01:21:15it has been done.
01:21:17Justice has finally
01:21:18found its way to you.
01:21:19Your voice was never silenced,
01:21:21your story never forgotten,
01:21:22and your life
01:21:23will always mean more
01:21:25than the tragedy
01:21:25that took you.
01:21:26This moment is not the end,
01:21:28but a reminder
01:21:29that love endures
01:21:30truth prevails
01:21:32and hope never fades
01:21:33because even in the darkest moments,
01:21:36justice will find its way.
01:21:53This whole basement
01:21:55looks very different.
01:22:04It's been completely gutted
01:22:06and redone.
01:22:08New floor,
01:22:10new walls,
01:22:11new moldings,
01:22:12new doors.
01:22:16What do you want people to know
01:22:18about why you moved back
01:22:21into the basement,
01:22:22into the kill room,
01:22:24into the room
01:22:25where these heinous things happen?
01:22:27The brutal truth is
01:22:30that Rex Heuermann said
01:22:31he dismembered the bodies
01:22:33in this room.
01:22:35That is the brutal truth.
01:22:38Okay, now there's me.
01:22:41I'm in this room.
01:22:43And I'm here
01:22:45because I do feel spiritual.
01:22:47I am trying to say spiritually
01:22:50in my own way
01:22:51that I am really sorry
01:22:57for what these victims went through.
01:23:07Every night
01:23:09that I go to bed
01:23:10and go to sleep,
01:23:11I am haunted
01:23:13by dreams.
01:23:17Every night.
01:23:21It will never go away.
01:23:24It will follow me
01:23:25for the rest of my life.
01:23:29There will never be
01:23:31any justice for anyone
01:23:33and there will never be
01:23:35any way to forget about this.
01:23:43I have seen Rex
01:23:48about 12 times
01:23:49since he confessed to me
01:23:51that he actually had dismembered
01:23:53these bodies down here.
01:23:56I want to get to know
01:23:58this other side of Rex.
01:24:00I want to know
01:24:02why Rex killed these women.
01:24:05What his triggers were.
01:24:14I'm processing the information
01:24:16in a very different way.
01:24:19Because now I see
01:24:21the evil in him.
01:24:46Why did you pick her?
01:24:47Did she say,
01:24:48please, please,
01:24:49like I have kids?
01:24:51He was just
01:24:52very kind-hearted.
01:24:53She didn't deserve this.
01:24:54Nobody deserves this.
01:24:56They were all
01:24:57beautiful women.
01:24:58They were daughters,
01:24:59sisters,
01:25:00cousins,
01:25:01nieces,
01:25:02mothers.
01:25:04Amber was
01:25:05just a beautiful,
01:25:06beautiful,
01:25:07loving human being.
01:25:09And I miss her terribly.
01:25:11Jess was somebody
01:25:12that I looked up to.
01:25:14She was a force,
01:25:15one of the strongest women
01:25:16that I know,
01:25:17with a heart of gold.
01:25:18She was,
01:25:20and still is,
01:25:21loved immeasurably.
01:25:22so,
01:25:40like,
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