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The Kelly Clarkson Show 2026 04 23 Colman Domingo
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00:17What's up?
00:18Welcome to the coming first show.
00:21Y'all, we have a Grammy-nominated R&B powerhouse
00:25joining us for the opening song this hour.
00:27She's known for blending classic soul
00:29with a modern spin.
00:30She's also known, just her tone is incredible.
00:33I've been listening to her all morning.
00:34She's so great.
00:35Her latest album was three years in the making,
00:37performing Mobbin in DC from her new album, Vacancy.
00:41Give it up for Ari Lennox.
00:48You, I am on the ground, feeling crazy.
00:53Only wanna call me, baby.
00:56You know how I am.
00:59You don't give a damn what these people say.
01:04You're talking so nice to me.
01:09Came in it, but the eyes of me.
01:13So I guess I'll have to fly to no look for the night.
01:17Show you I'm obliged.
01:19Of course, I'll care for you.
01:24Darling, if you want to cut everyone off for you.
01:33This is, you put me through.
01:36You know where I'll stay.
01:38You know where I'll be.
01:40This ain't got to be.
01:42You know where I'll be.
01:53This ain't got to be.
01:58You know where I'm going, baby, if you know what I tengan to be in,
02:02minuscule and close-up and close-up.
02:03Fortoi
02:102
02:113
02:194
02:20Why am I kidding?
02:25Your eyes got a lot to see
02:34And I like it
02:40Cause I care
02:44Don't let you know
02:46Me too
02:49Put everyone over
02:52Just the distance you put me through
02:55You know where I stay
02:57You know where I be
02:59It's ridiculous
03:01No, no
03:04Tired of you saying
03:06That you're missing me
03:08You know my location
03:10I've been in D.C.
03:14Y'all, one more time, give it up
03:16Thank you for Ari Linnick
03:18Incredible singers
03:19Incredible bands
03:23We're actually
03:23We're gonna get to chat with her a little bit later
03:26Thank you Ari for now
03:27We'll see you in just a little bit
03:28Yes
03:28Let's welcome our lead guest though
03:30From his Tony nominated role in the Scottsboro Boys
03:33To his Oscar nominated roles in Rustin and Sing Sing
03:36He has a very impressive gravity to his presence
03:38Every time he hits the stage or screen
03:40Right now he's back every Sunday night on HBO Max
03:43For a new season of Euphoria
03:45Which he won an Emmy for
03:46No big deal
03:47And you can also catch him in the film Michael
03:49About the life of Michael Jackson
03:51It's in theater starting tomorrow
03:52Everybody give it up for our friend Coleman Domingo
04:14Let's do it
04:15Let's do it
04:16Let's do it
04:16Let's do it
04:19It was so good
04:20It was so good
04:23I know
04:23I know
04:24It's like when it all collides
04:25It's nice
04:26It's beautiful
04:27Congrats on the new
04:29Everything
04:29You have like three different things going on right now
04:31But congrats on Michael
04:32Oh thank you
04:33What kind of
04:34Does it cover specific parts of his life or
04:35It covers you know from the
04:37The Gary Indiana years
04:39Yeah
04:39He is like eight years old
04:42In the makings of Michael
04:43That's what this film really is
04:44Yeah
04:45So you can get to understand who this icon is and was
04:48And his impact
04:49But it's also leading up to him becoming a solo artist
04:52Yeah
04:53So a lot of the conflict actually is between he and his father
04:56Because you know Joe had such a domineering
05:00His whole
05:00He surrounded Michael in every single way
05:03And his family
05:04So it's about Michael finally becoming himself
05:06And that's when you get into these other iconic albums and stuff like that
05:10Off the wall
05:11Yeah off the wall
05:12Thriller you name it
05:13He becomes the Michael that superstar
05:14This is a hard
05:15This is a polarizing character
05:16Like this is like people
05:18How did you
05:19This is a complicated man you're playing
05:20Yeah I sort of run towards the complicated men
05:24Because I feel like I want to find out Joe Jackson
05:27What he cared about
05:28And why he cared about things in the way he did
05:30So for me I'm looking at him and just trying to find a complex human being
05:34Find his humanity
05:35Find out what makes him hurt
05:37What makes him you know strong or really you know formidable
05:40So I'm looking for all of that stuff
05:41So that's what I did with him
05:43Yeah
05:43It is interesting what gets us where we are
05:46That's true
05:46You know I do like that
05:48So you grew up with a stepfather kind of raising you
05:50So that generation was very different like our parents
05:54I mean that's why I did a deep dive with Joe Jackson in that way
05:57I thought oh you know he's a blue collar worker
05:59He worked in a steel mill
06:00And I was like wait where can I find that in my own life
06:02And I looked at my own stepfather who was a blue collar
06:04You know he sanded hardwood floors
06:07I worked with him for like you know three summers between 12 and like 15
06:11I actually got fired from that job
06:13Not that I was bad
06:15Not that I was bad
06:16But it was actually a good reason
06:17You know he was like oh you don't want to do this work
06:19It's back breaking work
06:19You know I'm standing on these floors
06:21But I'm like yeah but you make everything so beautiful
06:22I mean look at these floors they're beautiful
06:24Yeah
06:24And somebody has to do that
06:25But he was like you know what
06:26I don't want you to do this back breaking work
06:28Because he only had a seventh grade education
06:29Because he had to just go to work
06:31Yeah
06:31And he said I want you to use your mind
06:33And I don't want you to have these hard calluses
06:35I want you to have soft hands
06:36Yeah he was working so hard
06:37So you can have an opportunity for maybe something different
06:39That was the generation
06:40And that's where I tapped into
06:41I'm like maybe Joe was a part of those guys
06:43He wasn't soft and warm and fuzzy
06:45Neither was my stepfather
06:46He grew up in a different world
06:46Exactly
06:47They depended on the wife to do the nurturing
06:50And have the softness
06:51But I always look back now and I'm like oh man
06:53He was tough on me
06:54But he was doing everything he could
06:56To make sure that I was a good citizen
06:58I had a good education
07:00And I was a man of my word
07:01And had a great work ethic
07:02And so I look back and I'm like yeah he was a tough dude
07:04But I appreciate him because he made me the man who I am
07:07Yeah respecting the opportunities
07:09Yeah
07:09That are afforded from all their hard work as well
07:11Absolutely
07:11Absolutely
07:12All right we need to get to a couple commercials
07:13As always let's have someone in the audience help us out
07:16Hi Kelly and Coleman I'm Ian
07:18Coleman you're the ultimate multi-hyphenate actor, director, fashion icon and playwright
07:25I love all your work but especially when you play real people like Rustin, Divine G or Joe Jackson
07:31There's real power when true stories and art come together and no one does it better than you
07:37Stay here Kelly has more with Coleman after this
07:47I'm arranging a tour in a live album
07:53Well how are we going to tour without Jermaine?
07:55Your brother made his choice when we left Motown and he stayed
07:58Let him live with it
08:00The point is we need to capitalize on Michael's album
08:05So we're going to do a bunch of songs
08:06Joseph
08:07I
08:09I
08:10I
08:11I need to think
08:12No sir
08:13I told you what to think
08:15We are back with Coleman Domingo
08:18That was a look at his new phone Michael in which he plays Michael Jackson's father Joseph
08:22It's only one of three projects Coleman has out soon because he likes to work
08:27But I do want to talk about this because y'all cover many decades in this
08:30So there's a lot of like retro fashion was there one you loved most?
08:34You know what I like the um let's see for for the Jacksons I love sort of the um the
08:39victory tour Jacksons
08:40Yeah
08:41Because that's when they were like really like they were hot and sexy and wearing you know everything was like
08:45you know parachute pants
08:46Yeah
08:47I remember suddenly they were like wait what what are they doing
08:49Yeah
08:50Um you know but
08:50Somebody got a paycheck
08:51Exactly
08:52It's like when we all get money and we're like I can do better
08:54For Joe Jackson I like when he moved into his Jericho season
08:57Yeah
08:57Because it was wet
08:58Why not
08:59He had a wet curl
09:00He had a wet curl
09:01Lots of jewelry
09:02And he always wore like an earring
09:03Yeah
09:03He sort of looked like you know like a little like
09:05Yeah
09:06Like I don't know I don't want to say it
09:11You know
09:11That makes us want to hear it more
09:13Yeah
09:13Bit of a gangsta bit of a G
09:15Yeah
09:15Cause he would wear like a nice pinky ring
09:17Yeah
09:18And like pendants and stuff like that he was just a player
09:21You know if I see a grown man wearing a pinky ring I'm like that's a confident man
09:24That's a confident man
09:25It's a confident man
09:26Pinky rings are very confident
09:27Pinky rings are
09:27And they're making a comeback I've seen two pinky rings in one week
09:30I have seen pinky rings on this show and I'm like you know what you are comfortable in your skin
09:34Yeah
09:34That's a sign
09:36Exactly
09:36Which I'm down for
09:37You're also one of the other projects you're back with Euphoria
09:40Yeah
09:40It's been four years?
09:41Four years
09:42Oh what's it like?
09:43It feels good
09:44Like riding a bike?
09:45Just getting back in the kitchen with Zendaya it was fantastic
09:47Yeah
09:47Most of my scenes were with her
09:48And it's great and I think this season really is a season about faith more than anything
09:51I think you know it is a show about addiction and people struggling in many ways
09:56Yeah
09:56But I think ultimately it's about what people are trying to hold on to right now
09:59And why they're drawn to the darkness and stuff like that
10:01But ultimately it's about faith and believing in something bigger than yourself
10:05Yeah
10:05Do you do you I imagine you have to learn something from each character you play good or bad I
10:11guess
10:11Yeah
10:11But like do you learn a lot from that character?
10:13I really do
10:14Ali is sort of the voice of reason and sort of the he's the audience's way in I think you
10:20know
10:20Because suddenly the world stops spinning so much when Ali's on camera
10:23Yeah
10:24Which is kind of cool so for me I learned a lot like this dude you know he's done some
10:28terrible things
10:29Because he said he has
10:30Yeah
10:30But when he's presenting right now he's like no I'm a pretty evolved human being I'm trying to do good
10:34in the world
10:35But I feel for me anything he's a he's always going back to zero and saying no just think about
10:40what you're doing
10:41Think about your choice
10:42Yeah like the root of it
10:43Yeah the root of it so I think that that's what I like about him and I feel like that's
10:46sort of helped me as well
10:46I sort of like I don't move fast really I'm very limber and all that but I'm like
10:51Yeah
10:51I sort of take my time and just like and be thoughtful about what am I saying
10:55How am I saying it how do it affect someone else
10:57You're like a sexy R&B song
10:58That's me
10:59Yeah
10:59That's me
11:00You take your time you do it right
11:01Take your time
11:02You do it right
11:03I'm like a Barry White song
11:04Yes
11:04Like old school exactly
11:05I love the compliment too of like how fabulous would that be to be a person you come in a
11:12room and you slow down the chaos
11:14Yeah
11:14What an attribute
11:16Listen in the earlier seasons there were young people high school students having wild amounts of sex and chaotic situations
11:22Yeah
11:23And I would come in and be like alright so what you doing what you really doing
11:25Yeah
11:25Why you wanna do that
11:26The why
11:26I'm the why
11:27Yeah I love Four Seasons
11:29I actually just had Steve on I know he's not in the new one honestly but yeah he did
11:33He had to go
11:33But um unless it's gonna go soap opera and it's like oh he's not
11:37Exactly right
11:38Never know
11:38I love this project too you're a part of so many amazing projects but what's great about being back with
11:43the cast of the Four Seasons
11:44Oh man it's just fun it's light hearted it's something that I feel like we all need right now it's
11:47just really a show about platonic
11:48It's light hearted but you approach real messages
11:51Yeah but it's still very light though but it's about all sorts of kind of love as well
11:55Yeah
11:55So I feel like especially right now with so much chaos happening in the world you just wanna go with
11:59a group of friends
11:59We're gonna go to a new location we're gonna have these really interesting comedy of eras with each other
12:04Yeah
12:04And that's what and I love you're working with like people who operate at the highest level of comedy Tina
12:09Fey you know what I mean
12:10Carrie Kenny Silver
12:12Yeah
12:12Yeah Marco Cavani it's fantastic
12:14I know I just met Carrie Kenny Silver I met her here she was with Pink
12:18Yeah
12:18When she was and I was so excited I played it cool
12:21But I was so excited because I love Four Seasons I love everybody on it I think it's just such
12:25a she does such a great job
12:26I played it really cool yeah
12:27Carrie is incredible she's incredible
12:28Yeah
12:28Yeah she's one of those what I love about we're all actors who and comedians who know how to really
12:33operate under with deep pain and pathos
12:37And also know have comedy chops
12:39I think that's why I don't need to dive you know deep on people I love because I know we
12:43all had some kind of traumatic
12:45Absolutely
12:45So you know what I'm saying
12:46That's why we're sitting here
12:47I already know it happened
12:48I don't need to
12:49Something happened to us
12:50I know something was there
12:52Exactly right
12:52I want to talk about this because I thought this was incredible and you did such a great job
12:55It's Sabrina Carpenter's video tears
12:57Oh yeah
12:57Yeah
12:58Yeah
12:58Yeah
12:58Yeah
12:59Yeah
12:59You know what it reminded me of too
13:03I like
13:05Crocs
13:06Look it's like the world is different like you don't the industry doesn't it's just it doesn't run and operate
13:12behind the scenes or isn't used to whenever I entered the industry
13:13Right
13:14This is like one of those old school like videos
13:15It's an old school
13:16You're pulling the actors in it's like a whole storytelling how fun was that
13:20Sabrina invited me to do it and she said I want to play with you I have this idea of
13:23this sort of rocky horror world and I was like bring it
13:26And she was like is it okay if we put you in drag I said put me in all the
13:29drag
13:29Yeah
13:29I said how many outfits you want
13:32Music videos are where you can play like that
13:33Yeah yeah yeah
13:34You can play like that we played until 4 in the morning but of course
13:36Listen at about 3.30 in the morning they wanted me to get back in six inch heels and I
13:40was like I'm gonna pass on that
13:42Yeah
13:42So there's one scene that always tickles me because we're coming out this big dance break
13:46And if you really look I'm wearing flat man shoes
13:49Yeah
13:49I was like I'm that drag queen that takes off at like 3.30
13:53Yeah you said 4am and I was like we are different
13:56Yeah exactly
13:57I'm like we're gonna have to rap before
13:58I have like rules now
14:00I'm in my 40s and I'm like oh no no we gotta be rap
14:03When is your cut off of rap?
14:04I'm no I'm gonna be real with you I will not go past 11
14:06And usually I want to go and I'll start earlier because I'm older
14:10Right
14:10I'm like that Denny I'm getting moons over my hammy at Denny's you know what I'm saying I'm getting some
14:13kind of special
14:14I'm coming in I'm coming in hot at 6pm for dinner
14:17I'm like I'm
14:19Cause no one's there it's not so loud
14:21I can actually hear who I'm talking to
14:23I love a 5.30 dinner
14:23At some point it makes sense I love a 5.30 reservation
14:26I literally they're like when do you want to go to dinner my band and I
14:28And I'm like when does it open?
14:31That's it
14:31At 5.30 I'll be there
14:33I'm in bed by 8.30
14:34Yes I'm not I just I'm not about that life anymore
14:36I got kids too so it's like I don't have time for that
14:39Isn't it surprising though that you're like you're about that life now that
14:41And I love it
14:42It's good
14:43I don't feel old I feel experienced
14:44You know
14:45Yeah
14:46Yeah
14:47I've had enough experience to go no
14:51No
14:51And I'm like we can do better
14:53Alright we need to take a break
14:54The new season of Euphoria is out now on HBO Max and you can catch Michael in theaters tomorrow
15:01We've got I'm getting older man
15:03We've got more with Coleman Domingo to come stay here
15:16Welcome back Coleman Domingo is hanging with Michael
15:20We all have random photos on our phones
15:23Some that might not be great but still remind us of some great moments rather
15:28It's time to flip though through some of Coleman's own pics and get some behind the stories behind them
15:33Here we go this is called Photo Dump
15:37Photo Dump
15:38Yes
15:41That is a nasty band
15:43They are so good
15:44Nasty
15:45I know
15:45And you know what's funny is no one we didn't actually know we were doing this until like right before
15:49the show
15:50So they just like were like sure got it
15:52Yeah
15:52Yeah
15:54It's amazing
15:55Okay
15:56Well Coleman has provided some never before posted photos
15:59And he's going to walk us through uh what was going on in his life when he took these
16:03So here's the first photo what do we got
16:05What was going on
16:05Is that Tina Fey
16:07That is Tina Fey ladies and gentlemen
16:09Yes
16:09Yeah the comedic legend Tina Fey
16:11And that's her uh laying in a bed
16:14Yeah
16:15And it's it's a stunt that will happen at some point
16:18Well I won't tell you what happens with the stunt with Four Seasons
16:20But there's a stunt but I love that there's all these hands
16:22Everyone's very concerned about Tina Fey in this bed
16:25Yeah
16:25And she's laying there but she's happy yet she looks like she's in a coffin
16:28Yeah
16:28So I like that picture
16:29Yeah exactly
16:29Yeah I'm like what is happening why did it go in like that
16:32That's why I like that picture
16:33That should not be that's not a good thing
16:35But she looked at a pure joy in her face
16:35Pure joy
16:36Yeah
16:37Next photo
16:39Oh now look at that
16:40That is me as Joe Jackson
16:43Ah
16:43And that is my
16:44What a transformation
16:45My makeup artist Jamie
16:47I don't know what what we're doing in that picture
16:49We're just looking off to the side it looks like one of those 80s superimposed
16:52Yeah
16:53Shots
16:53But then what I love
16:54Is that there's pins from Jamie's makeup bag
16:58Of Jamie as the coolest 19 year old with the sunglasses on
17:02There's a
17:03She makes all these pins for people
17:05She made a pin of me from the Sabrina Carpenter video
17:07That is so 90s
17:09Yeah very 90s
17:09And then she calls herself in her group the Domingo's
17:13The Domingo's
17:14And she actually made pins
17:16So she will give them out to anyone
17:18Yes
17:19And it's always something that sort of horrifies me
17:21Yet I'm delighted at the same time
17:23Yes
17:23Yeah exactly
17:24It's a compliment
17:25Yeah I think
17:25Do I want my fans to be called the Domingo's
17:28Yes you do
17:28I do?
17:29Fine
17:30Okay fine
17:30It's a fun name
17:31I just thought it was just the weirdest photo ever
17:34And I'm like why does that exist
17:35No I'm just saying that's like marketing genius
17:37That should be your merch
17:38Yeah there we go
17:39That's your merch
17:39This is my merch
17:40Yeah exactly
17:40Lex she's setting you up
17:42I also just the transformation right now
17:45You look incredible
17:47That took two and a half hours a day
17:49But we got it cut down to 90 minutes a day
17:51Because they're rock stars
17:52This Bill Corso designed it
17:53And then Mo and Jamie
17:56They applied everyday
17:57And it was fantastic
17:58That has to help you
17:59And people are so amazing at what they do
18:01And they transform you like that
18:02And you come out
18:03And you feel like
18:04You feel different
18:05Really
18:06It is all these beautiful details
18:07Such an art
18:08Like the nose, the brow
18:09All the things you wouldn't even think about to transform
18:12Has to help conform you
18:13It does
18:13Yeah
18:14All right finally we got this one
18:16That is the love of my life
18:18That is Raul, my husband
18:19Look at that smile
18:20And he's enjoying a delicious margarita that I made him
18:22Yeah
18:23Yeah because I used to
18:24I don't know if you know that
18:25I used to be a bartender for like 15 years
18:26I did know
18:27You did know
18:28I did know
18:28And I can make a mean cocktail
18:29I heard
18:30And lately I always
18:31And I want to smile like this
18:32You want to smile because
18:32You want to smile like that?
18:33I want to smile like this
18:34Well how about that?
18:35Should I make you a margarita?
18:35I think you should make me a margarita
18:36I was like I want to smile
18:44Make me smile
18:44I'm going to make you smile
18:45Okay
18:46I'm going to make you smile
18:47Because
18:48It's been such a chilly, chilly winter new year
18:51Yeah warm it up
18:52And we're in spring now
18:53Warm it up
18:53And I'm going to warm it up
18:54I'm going to get you to summer right now
18:56Okay
18:56We're going to make a margarita okay?
18:57You always got to do some ice in here
18:58Okay
18:59Ice it up
18:59Very simple you guys
19:00Because it's like fresh ingredients
19:01Here's tequila already measured for two people
19:03Yeah
19:03Bam
19:04Look at the amount
19:04You know I use something delicious like a Don Julio or something
19:07Yeah okay
19:07Here's what you want
19:08Yeah
19:08Alright and then I'll use some agave
19:10Yeah
19:11Make it a little sweet right?
19:13It looks a little sweet
19:13Sweet it up
19:14I mean I like it alright
19:16I can do everything that counts
19:17Yeah
19:17I do things on
19:18I can do a four count sometimes
19:18I'm more concerned of the amount of the alcohol
19:21You're like doubling up
19:22Get me there Domingo
19:23Let me get you there
19:24Exactly
19:25I got some Cointreau here too
19:27Make me a Domingo
19:29And I got some fresh lime juice here
19:31Yeah
19:31And we'll just you know
19:33Usually I measure everything
19:34Yeah
19:34But I'm just doing it by sight right now
19:36Yeah
19:37And instinct and how
19:38Yeah you're an instinct
19:39You're an accurate instinct
19:40How lovely you want to be right now
19:41I want to feel warm
19:42Now I'm going to shake this baby
19:43Shake it
19:44Everybody shake it
19:45Shake it
19:45Shake it
19:46Shake it
19:48Okay
19:50And then
19:51Okay
19:51We're going to pour this baby
19:52Oh I'm very excited
19:53You need to pour it over ice
19:54But I like mine straight up
19:55Me too
19:56Cause the ice melts and ruins it
19:57Yeah
19:58Don't ruin the chemistry
19:59Yeah
20:00Exactly
20:00Yeah
20:01And then we're just going to toast
20:02Because you know what?
20:03This toast is
20:04I want to toast you because
20:06I have loved coming on this show
20:08Aww
20:09I love every ounce
20:11Every crew member that comes here
20:13They're lovely
20:13You have people who are lovely
20:14Yeah
20:14They work hard
20:15You've done such a supreme job
20:17Thanks
20:18I love being on the show
20:19Thank you
20:20And I thank you
20:20Congratulations to you
20:21Thank you
20:22Alright
20:28Woo
20:31Oh damn
20:34That's why he was smiling
20:35Yeah
20:36Exactly
20:36Y'all had a good night
20:37Alright everybody
20:38Give it up for Coleman Domingo
20:41The new season of Euphoria
20:43Is out now on HBO Max
20:46And the movie Michael is in theatre
20:47Starting tomorrow
20:48Patrick Ball from The Pit
20:49Is here next
20:49We'll be right back
20:50Hey
21:03Welcome back everybody
21:05Although our next guest mastered the stage
21:07With performances and plays like Hamlet
21:08And Cat on a Hot Tin Roof
21:10You probably know him best
21:11As a troubled but brilliant doctor
21:13On the insanely successful medical drama The Pit
21:15I love it
21:16The show has won pretty much every award out there
21:19Rightly so
21:20Season 2 just had its finale last week
21:23I'm not caught up
21:24I hope he doesn't run it
21:25You can see the whole thing now on HBO Max
21:28You know what I saw in rehab?
21:31I saw a bunch of guys just like you
21:33The only difference is they've accepted that they need help
21:38I think you're afraid to admit that the mighty Dr. Rabinovich isn't perfect
21:42Oh I never claimed to be perfect
21:45No
21:46But you expect it of yourself and it's not realistic man
21:51How can any of us live up to your standards if you can't even do it?
21:56You need help
21:57You need help
21:59You need help
22:01He's also making his Broadway JV right now
22:04And as you saw at the Hayes Theatre
22:05Please welcome Patrick Ball
22:29I'm so excited but don't run it for me because I'm not caught up
22:32So don't tell me anything that will be a spoiler
22:34Okay
22:35Okay
22:35I'm in season 2 I just don't want to, yeah
22:37I love it so much
22:38Did you realize when you first signed on for The Pit House successful this was going to be?
22:42I mean
22:43So many people love it
22:43Yeah, no idea, no idea
22:45This is my first TV show
22:46So I had really no, no
22:48You're, this, wow
22:49This is your first TV show?
22:51Yeah, yeah
22:52I had done one episode of Law & Order
22:54Yeah
22:55And then I, and then The Pit
22:57And then The Pit
22:58So I had like no point of reference for how this was supposed to feel
23:01Well just so you know, it's not normal to have, I mean everyone loves this show
23:05That's not normal
23:05Usually actors that come are like, you know, they've been on things that
23:08This is like a great show to start with
23:11Yeah, that's what I've been told
23:12Yeah
23:13That's what I've been told
23:13I'm like that's an amazing first, first job for that
23:17Yeah
23:17Because you love theatre, right?
23:18I, I mean I spent the last like 15 years pretty much doing exclusively theatre
23:23Yeah
23:23And I thought that was going to be my life
23:25I have to say man, you are so good in this
23:27It was, it's such a great medical show
23:30I'm generally not, I don't usually watch medical shows
23:32That's not usually my vibe
23:33But I watched it because Noah came on and I was like, okay, I'm gonna, respectful
23:37Obviously you watch the thing
23:38And I was like, I was addicted, I hated him
23:40I was like, I could not stop watching it
23:42I wanted to, it was so hard to not keep going
23:45It was like 2am and I was cursing Noah Wiley
23:48I was like, I, I was like, I couldn't
23:50It's so addictive
23:51It's so cool how it shot too
23:53It shot like, um, a shift basically
23:56Yeah, yeah, yeah
23:56It's like one shift
23:57Do you, this is what I find fascinating too
23:59You actors, you're so lucky
24:01You get to learn from these brilliant people
24:02The skills that, whatever skill set you have
24:04That you're doing
24:05So do you all have like real people on set
24:07Like all these like, things you're doing
24:09These medical scenarios you're doing
24:10Do you learn anything?
24:11Oh yeah, oh yeah
24:12I, I mean we have Dr. Joe Sachs who is our like chief medical director
24:16He is a practicing ER physician
24:18Yeah
24:18He was also one of the head writers on our show as well as on ER
24:21Yeah
24:21And so he has been double dipping in actual healthcare work and television work for, for a very, very long
24:28time
24:28Mm-hmm
24:29And we got a whole team of people that make sure that everything that we do is as authentic as
24:34possible
24:34Mm-hmm
24:35And that was a very clear priority and a clear gesture of the show from the beginning
24:39Was we wanted to make a medical show for people who work in the medical profession
24:46Because I think we've seen a lot of these shows
24:48And you know, I come from a family of healthcare workers
24:50I was gonna say, both your parents are from that world
24:52Yeah, my mom is a lifelong ER nurse, my dad is a lifelong paramedic
24:56And so it did not occur to me until really the show came along
25:00Just like how much they, uh, they kept from me
25:04Mm-hmm
25:05In order to be present for, for me as parents
25:09Yeah
25:09And that sort of compartmentalization was, was something that was definitely my, my way into the show
25:16Mm-hmm
25:16And into the character
25:18And you know, to this day some of the most moving messages that I get
25:21I get, I get messages from partners of people that, that work in emergency rooms across the country
25:27Mm-hmm
25:28And the, they'll reach out and they'll write me a message
25:30And be like, hey, I just wanna say thank you so much
25:33Because this show has given me an insight into
25:37It opens our eyes to what's actually going on, yeah
25:39And it, it has brought my relationship together
25:41Mm-hmm
25:42And I think those are the, those are the messages that I've gotten
25:44That have really, really, uh, let me know that we're sort of on the right track
25:48Yeah
25:49You know
25:49Y'all do a great job
25:50It's so, it's, you're respectful of the environment
25:53And it looks like you're respecting of what they do
25:55And it's also great storytelling and how it's done, like in one season
25:58It's, it's really brilliant
26:00Before we go though, you're in, um, you're in another, you're Broadway, right?
26:03So it's Becky Shaw, is it?
26:04What, what's it about?
26:05So it's, uh, Becky Shaw by Gina G and Fritos
26:09Mm-hmm
26:09And it is a savage, dark comedy about relationships
26:13Love it!
26:15Okay
26:16Uh, it's a classic, classic comedy set up
26:19Yeah
26:19A blind date, four strangers walk in and their lives are forever changed
26:23But, um, it's, it's heavy and it, and it, and it's deep
26:27And, you know, I think it's about love and it's about power and it's about class
26:30And it's about, uh, the question of, you know, can, uh, can love exist without transaction?
26:36No, that's, it's, that's gotta be, I always talk to actors too, how y'all don't bring it home, man
26:41Like, how you don't bring that kind of heaviness home, uh, you know, doing it every night
26:45Especially on 30, y'all doing like eight shows a week, right?
26:47Yeah
26:47That's a lot
26:48Are you good at compartmentalizing that?
26:50Uh, I think, I, I try to be, I try to be, like, over the course of eight months of,
26:55of filming the pit
26:56Like, there is a, there is a cumulative effect
26:59Mm-hmm
27:00That I am very, very grateful to my partner Alicia
27:03Yeah
27:03For going through it with me and being as, as generous and as patient as she is
27:08Yeah
27:08She's, she's, I, I, it's been a hell of a rollercoaster over the last year
27:12Yeah
27:12And she has made that possible for me, so I'm just incredibly thankful for her
27:15Oh, that's incredible to have a partner that gets it
27:17Yeah
27:17Yeah
27:18Oh, understanding, that's amazing
27:20All right, we have to stop and pay bills
27:22So
27:23Okay
27:23Um, we're gonna take a little break
27:24Seasons one and two of The Pit are available on HBO Max
27:27It's so good, y'all gotta check it out if you aren't already addicted
27:30Um, and if you're in New York, go see Patrick and Becky Shaw at the Hayes Theatre, second stage on
27:35Broadway
27:35Tickets are available online
27:37Ari Lennox is back to chat with us next
27:39We'll stay right here
27:40There you go
27:54Welcome back y'all, you heard our next guest perform at the top of the show
27:57She's a hugely talented singer-songwriter who released her hit debut album Shea Butter Baby back in 2019
28:03Before earning a Grammy nomination that same year
28:06Her latest album Vacancy is out now wherever you buy music
28:09Please welcome back to the stage Ari Lennox
28:33I love this outfit, you're so rock and roll
28:37Thank you so much, Jeremy styled me
28:39Oh my god, great job
28:41Yeah, I love that we have people that will do that because I'm not stylish at all
28:44Yes, me neither, I look a mess often
28:46I know, I look like a mom with a mom bun
28:49But anyway, do you remember though like when I hear a voice like yours it feels so innate like your
28:53runs
28:54Just your vibe, your flow, how you carry yourself in a song
28:56It feels like you've been doing this since you were so young
28:59Like do you remember your first performance?
29:01Oh yeah, thank you by the way
29:04In elementary school I had this lovely teacher named Mr. Ring and he saw something in me
29:09He was my music teacher, he saw something in me and he was like you know what
29:15I think I want to teach you the Star Spangled Banner
29:17And so he worked with me for maybe weeks and then I performed it
29:22That's a rangy song
29:23Yeah, at an assembly, yeah exactly, a very hard song I would never try now
29:28You should, oh my god you sound amazing at it
29:30It's daunting
29:31It is, you know what it is, I don't know if you've done this but I'm
29:34You always worry if you're acapella you're like don't start too high
29:38Too high, that's what I, exactly
29:39But wait, but one time I started too low because I was so worried about starting too high
29:44It was like my Toni Braxton version of the Star Spangled Banner
29:47But that's beautiful
29:47No, it's not when you're not Toni Braxton
29:49Come on, yes it is
29:51No, no, but your high register is flawless, so
29:54It's a rangy song though, but you're very nice
29:56I heard that you were kind of a wild child, were you?
29:59I was a wild child
30:00I was a wallflower, so what was being wild like?
30:03Oh, well in preschool I used to eat ants
30:06What?
30:07I don't know why
30:08Were they like chocolate covered at least?
30:10They weren't, well they were dark brown but
30:14But they kind of had a spicy lemony citrus taste
30:19I love this
30:19I don't know why I did it
30:22I've always been a little
30:22That's like pregnant women, you know, when we're pregnant you have weird things
30:25Like weird, like dirt will taste good, it's weird
30:27Right
30:28But in preschool, why?
30:29I don't know
30:30You know?
30:30I had a friend that liked glue
30:32Whoa
30:32Like she, I know
30:33I don't know where she's at right now
30:35Wait
30:36But yeah, you know how you'd play with the glue?
30:39But then she'd eat it
30:40And I was like, I don't know
30:41I used to taste it too
30:42Yeah, I didn't do that
30:44And maybe that's why I act a mess sometimes
30:48It was the ants, it was the glue
30:49Yeah
30:50All of that
30:50You know what I see that as though?
30:51You're willing to try it?
30:52Don't knock it till you try it
30:53Aw, thank you
30:54Yeah
30:54That's brave
30:55Right
30:55You're brave
30:56Now you are
30:58I love this conversation
30:59Thank you me too
31:00We did not mean to go here, but we did
31:02We have to
31:03So tell me about the new album
31:05Oh, it's amazing
31:06It encompasses just lots of soul
31:10It's called Vacancy
31:12So it's about that void that needs to be filled
31:14Whether romantic or platonic
31:16So yeah
31:17Yeah
31:18It's real freaky
31:19Yeah
31:20It's a little nasty
31:21Yeah, but you're like
31:22But you know
31:23That's okay though
31:23Thank you
31:24That's okay though
31:25Well there's billions of people in the world
31:26Yeah
31:27So like clearly someone's having a lot of sex
31:29Yeah
31:29So
31:31I feel like our beat country are nice cousins
31:32In the sense that like they're not afraid to get a little
31:35Not cheesy but go there like love wise
31:38And they're not afraid to like say what you really want to say sometimes
31:40Exactly
31:41And I think that that's really nice
31:42Me too
31:43It's raw and authentic and it's refreshing
31:44Me too
31:45Yeah
31:46Thank you, me too
31:46Yeah
31:47And especially when it's paired with such a lovely tone like yours
31:50Thank you
31:50But you sang Mobbin and DC earlier
31:52Yeah
31:52So why'd you choose that one?
31:54That's my baby
31:54It's the intro to the record, to the album
31:57And I love Neil's soul
31:59I grew up listening to it
32:00I adore legends like Erykah Badu
32:03Oh, Texan
32:04I love her, yeah
32:04Just phenomenal singers
32:06And so I just wanted to be true to myself on a beautiful beat
32:09And I wanted to shout out my city, DC
32:12Yeah
32:12Love you, DC
32:13Yeah
32:14Man, how you sing
32:16I love how you sing too
32:17Because you're an actress as well
32:19I love watching singers that are also actors
32:21Oh, thank you
32:22Like you're on stage
32:22And it's like you're telling the story with every part of your soul
32:25And your physical being
32:26Thank you
32:26It's really beautiful to watch
32:28I appreciate that
32:29Thank you
32:29Congratulations on all the success
32:30We have to take a quick break
32:31Ari's album is called Vacancy
32:33And the single is Mobbin and DC
32:35Both are available wherever you buy your music
32:37And you can catch her on tour right now
32:39Go online for tickets
32:40Nothing is better than seeing and feeling something live in person
32:43We'll be right back
33:03We're back and Fall Out has been one of Prime Video's most successful series to date
33:09The post-apocalyptic dramedy features Kyle McLaughlin who's no stranger to surreal projects
33:14He came by a couple months ago along with his co-star Aaron Moten
33:17And I had to know why and how he got a very specific nickname
33:21It's a part of the interview we couldn't actually fit in our original episode
33:24So you're welcome in advance
33:25We're sharing it now
33:27Is it true younger people nickname you baby girl?
33:30On like on social media?
33:32Of course
33:33Why?
33:34Why do they call you baby girl?
33:36Well it's slang
33:37It's Gen Z slang
33:38It means really that at this moment you're the sort of the center of attention
33:42You know how a baby
33:42Oh baby girl
33:44Oh that's oh
33:45So yeah I had to learn that
33:46Okay
33:47When I first
33:47What did you think when you first heard it?
33:49When I first heard it I was like I'm in trouble
33:50Yeah
33:51I've done something wrong here
33:53But then I came to understand
33:55Yeah
33:56I evolved
33:57Yeah
33:57My Gen Z brain evolved
33:59Yeah
33:59And now I am able to speak Gen Z
34:00So it's all that
34:01I can't wait to introduce you next time you're on this show
34:04And go give it up for baby girl
34:05Yay
34:10You walk out and people are like what?
34:13Hell I wasn't expecting that
34:14So wait I'm going to come back to wine
34:16Because you started with wine
34:17You were really into wine
34:18So were you
34:18Yeah
34:19Right?
34:19You have your own wine
34:20Yeah I make wine
34:21Yeah yeah yeah yeah
34:22Pursued by bear
34:22Pursued by bear
34:23We talked about that last time
34:24But we share a passion for it
34:25Yes
34:25Yeah
34:26We share a passion for this
34:28You, Aaron has a knowledge of wine that's much broader and deeper than mine
34:32And he really understands old world really really well
34:35Okay
34:36I'm a new world guy
34:37I'm sort of like that's a new world California, Oregon, Washington
34:40But that's what I don't know
34:41So we are very good
34:42Go to a restaurant together with us, you're going to drink well
34:45Yeah
34:45Whether it's new world or old world
34:46I really do prefer European and French
34:50Yeah
34:50Yeah
34:51Yeah
34:51I like how they make it
34:52I went on a tour
34:53You ever do the things when you tour?
34:55Yeah
34:55It's not just like the thing when they, you know
34:57Not just the tasting
34:58Yeah, the tasting
34:58Yeah, they take you behind
34:59That is the cool thing sometimes when you're in the limelight
35:01They're like you want to do this fancy thing
35:02I'm like I sure do
35:03I
35:04And they take you and they say
35:05And I love how they make it
35:07Because I don't have a headache when I drink French wine
35:09No, yeah
35:10Yeah
35:10It'll treat you well
35:11I know
35:12You wake up kind of feeling good
35:13It's like a French lover
35:14Yeah
35:14Yeah
35:16What's your favorite?
35:17What's your favorite kind?
35:18Merceau
35:19Merceau might be my favorite
35:20It's a white burgundy
35:22Okay
35:22I mean Merceau
35:23You got to know that it's all Chardonnay
35:24Okay
35:25That I'm talking about
35:25But like they name it off of the place
35:27I don't know what you're talking about
35:28Like that
35:29Yeah, they name them after the little villages they come from
35:32Yeah
35:32Yeah
35:32They're usually combining grapes together so
35:34Yeah
35:34You know Merceau, Sharms
35:36It's like two different towns
35:38Yeah
35:38Being put together
35:39Yeah, I'm learning
35:40When did you get into wine?
35:42Oh, uh, COVID
35:46I was like
35:50What do I do with all this time?
35:52I should probably drink
35:53I should probably drink
35:54No, actually I was living in Iceland
35:57My wife is from Iceland
35:58That's cool
35:59Yeah, so I spent five years in Iceland
36:01And that's how we also have three daughters
36:03Yeah
36:07What do we do with all this time?
36:10You know what?
36:10You're productive
36:11That's what I like to see
36:12We were productive
36:12Very big
36:13We were productive
36:13But no, it was...
36:15You know, you have a smaller selection in Iceland
36:17So I actually went in one day
36:19And I was like
36:19I think I could drink all of this
36:21Yeah
36:22Challenge accepted
36:23I could put all this away
36:25A big thank you to Kyle and Erin
36:27And you can see all episodes of Fallout streaming on Prime Video
36:30We'll be right back with What I'm Liking
36:46All right, let's finish up with one last fun story
36:49This is what I'm liking
36:53A California professor always thought it would be best to pursue a traditional career
36:57So he studied communications and sociology
36:59He now teaches at two different colleges
37:02Recently though, he returned to a hobby on the side
37:05A surprising juxtaposition to his professional life
37:07Check it out
37:08Shake, shake, shake, shake it
37:10Shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it
37:14Shake it, shake it
37:16Shake it, shake it
37:16Don't break it
37:17Money to make, I'mma make it
37:20So damn real, can't fake it
37:22So bold, so blatant
37:24Grab so hard on the pavement
37:29Oh, his videos are here straight on social media
37:33With millions of views across all platforms
37:35And we have him on the line right now
37:36Let's say hi to Professor Twan watching on NBC Los Angeles
37:40What's up?
37:42Oh my God
37:42Hi Kelly
37:46You are why I love watching dancers, man
37:49You are in your, you're just in your best moment
37:52You're so comfortable in your skin
37:54Your tongue plays such a character in what you're doing
37:56Oh man, dance has always been a passion for you, right?
38:00Yeah
38:01I've always loved performing since I was a kid
38:04And then when I was a community college student at Shafee College
38:08Which is where I currently teach us as well
38:10I was like, let's give dancing a try
38:12Yeah
38:13But then, when I, you know, pursue graduate school
38:17I just thought to myself, like, I wasn't going to be able to manage dancing and grad studies
38:22And so after seven years of dance training, I just stopped
38:26Well, fast forward to almost ten years later
38:30I, you know, gained a little weight from grad school and COVID-19 pandemic
38:35And just felt out of shape
38:36And was like, how do I get active again and get back in shape?
38:40And I was like, dance, like go back to dancing
38:42And so I signed up for a hip hop dance class early last year in 2025
38:48Yeah
38:49And what started as one class turned into five to ten classes per week
38:53And then now, I teach during the day
38:56And then in the evening from six to ten p.m. I'm just dancing my life away
39:00At a couple of different dance studios
39:02I love it!
39:04I gotta ask, what are the kids in your class saying?
39:06Like, do they see this?
39:07Uh, I haven't told them yet
39:09Uh, although once they watch this, uh, they're gonna find out
39:13But I have formal students from a couple of years back
39:17When I was like a teaching assistant and just getting started
39:20They've come across my content
39:21And they've been pretty surprised seeing me
39:24Yeah
39:24Uh, yeah
39:25I mean
39:26But we'll see how the current students feel once they see it
39:29I love the, I mean, I can't even imagine being your student
39:35And seeing you all, like, prim and proper
39:37And then, like, finding this at night on the internet
39:40Like, that, that would be incredible
39:43And also just way to live your best life, man
39:47Just, like, feeling good in your body
39:48Yeah
39:49And wanting to work out
39:50But do something you love to get that extra weight off
39:52That's amazing
39:53It's a good thing
39:53Thank you so much, Twan
39:55I'm liking your post right now
39:56But that's not all
39:57Our season-long partner, Pilot Pen
39:58Makers of Precise
39:59The go-to Precise Pen of The Kelly Clarkson Show
40:01Want to celebrate those who find beauty in life's little moments
40:04So, because they actually are big things, right?
40:06So, they're gonna be writing you a check for $1,000, my man
40:12Oh, my gosh, thank you
40:14Aw
40:14Thank you for joining us
40:16Keep dancing
40:18Thank you to all our guests this hour
40:20Colin Denizel
40:21Patrick Ball
40:22Ari Lennox
40:23Kyle McLaughlin
40:24And Erin Moten
40:24Y'all have a great day
40:25If it's not dancing now
40:26Thank you
40:27Thank you
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