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Antiques Roadshow - Season 30 (US) - Episode 02: Red Butte Garden & Arboretum, Hour 2
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00:04Antiques Roadshow picked a bouquet of treasures just for you at Red Butte Garden and Arboretum
00:09in Salt Lake City.
00:11Did you know who she was?
00:12No, I do not.
00:13Okay, I found her.
00:14You found her?
00:16The plot thickens.
00:16The plot thickens.
00:36This gorgeous Utah garden is the temporary and temperate home for Antiques Roadshow today.
00:44Red Butte Garden is named for the Red Butte Canyon.
00:49It nurtures mostly native plants and trees, as well as plants from other parts of the
00:54world that do well in the area's hot, dry summers and cool, wet winters.
01:03What treasures have been transplanted to Roadshow today?
01:08This belonged to the owner of the Broadway Shoe Repair in downtown Salt Lake.
01:14It was a little old German guy.
01:16Growing up, my mom would always take my dad's boots to get re-healed down there.
01:19And when we were there, I would play in this shoe.
01:22When he decided to retire, he gave the shoe to me.
01:26It is a fitting shoe for Robert Pearson Wadlow, which was the tallest man in the world at
01:34the time.
01:35Robert was 8'11".
01:40This is a photo album of my mother-in-law.
01:43She worked at the Jasper Provincial Park in Canada.
01:47We figure about, she was 16.
01:49This is her here.
01:51And I don't know any of the other people.
01:53Her dad was working at a lumber camp in Cold Lake.
01:58And I think it was just a summer job to get away from the lumber camps.
02:02She never mentioned it, so we don't really know anything else.
02:06So it's a nice family heirloom to have these pictures documenting her summer working at this
02:10camp.
02:11But the reason we're talking is that when we turn the page here, we suddenly see this.
02:17So what can you tell me about this?
02:20Yeah, my husband was doing just that, looking at this after she passed away.
02:25It was just in a box.
02:27And all of a sudden, it's like the River of No Return.
02:30And then we were like, that sounds like a movie.
02:33So then they started looking some more at the other pictures.
02:38So if we continue through here, River of No Return, 1954, a 20th Century Fox film that
02:43was filmed on location in Jasper National Park in Canada.
02:46And most importantly, it's a film starring Marilyn Monroe.
02:50She's there with Robert Mitchum and Tommy Reddig.
02:53Actually, Tommy Reddig is the child who played Mark Calder in the film, who was Robert Mitchum's
02:57son.
02:58So you have the core group of the key cast members here.
03:01And what I really love about this is not only did she get a nice, tight shot of them,
03:06Marilyn is giving face in this photo.
03:08She is clearly turning it on.
03:10The film came out, and it was an interesting kind of departure for Marilyn.
03:14Marilyn, she did start the film playing like the classic showgirl, saloon girl.
03:18But most of the film, she's in jeans.
03:21And if we flip through here, we continue to see more Marilyn Monroe.
03:24This is her here.
03:25This is my mother-in-law with Rory Calhoun.
03:28She obviously had access to the set.
03:30We're not sure why.
03:31But she didn't just have access.
03:33She actually was interacting with them in a very intimate way.
03:36We see here she is cuddling up with Robert Mitchum.
03:40Yeah, that's it.
03:41That's my mother-in-law.
03:43She looks pretty happy.
03:45I'm sure at 16 to be cuddling up with Robert Mitchum would have been quite a thing.
03:49And then, of course, we also have Robert Mitchum's Love and Kisses Bob Mitchum signature.
03:56And then my favorite page of this whole book is where we land over here.
04:01And we have the signature.
04:04Yeah.
04:04And we have a great shot of Marilyn right next to it.
04:06And there's overall about 28 pictures of her and the area while she's on set.
04:13And 10 of them have Marilyn in them.
04:15Oh, really?
04:16Okay.
04:17So I was doing some counts.
04:18We had some people taking pictures on the set, like the person who worked for 20th Century Fox, whose job
04:23it was to document things going on in the scenes.
04:26Those pictures would be very different from what we're seeing here.
04:28These are very fun, candid, behind-the-scenes photos.
04:32These have never been published.
04:33No.
04:33And what's astounding to me is that she never told anyone.
04:37She didn't.
04:37At auction, we do have records of other things similar to this that have sold.
04:41And because they're unpublished and no one's ever seen these before until today, we add up.
04:45And obviously, the Marilins have the most value.
04:47So those would probably be sold almost individually.
04:50That's how much people value hers.
04:51And those would be probably anywhere between $500 and $800 a piece.
04:55Oh, my goodness.
04:56Which right there, counting up what we have here is about $6,500.
04:59Oh, wow.
05:02And then you have this.
05:03That's really loud.
05:03Sorry.
05:05Then we have this autograph.
05:07This would bring about $3,000 at auction.
05:10Oh, my goodness.
05:11So we're up to $9,500.
05:12Oh, my goodness.
05:12Okay.
05:13And then everything else would be about $500.
05:14So we're about $10,000 that we would expect it to realize at auction.
05:18Oh, my goodness.
05:19Okay.
05:20Wow.
05:21Well, I guess we have to up our insurance.
05:25Okay.
05:26I don't know what to say.
05:28Honestly, you're editing this out, right?
05:40My grandparents knew the artist, and things have kind of trickled down to me.
05:44I'm the youngest grandchild of them.
05:46And nobody else really wanted a lot of these pieces.
05:51And I have a couple more larger pieces by him at home as well.
05:54This is really a marvelous painting by the artist Nguyen Van Min.
06:00He was born in 1930, and he died in 2014.
06:04And he was very, very prolific.
06:07He painted up until maybe 10 or 5 years before he died.
06:11And always in this very abstract, thoughtful fashion.
06:15And always with this particular seal and signature.
06:19But we can't date this because it says 99.
06:23Paintings such as this, of this size and this kind of subject matter,
06:27tend to sell for about $6,000 to $9,000.
06:30Wow.
06:31Okay.
06:32Wow.
06:35That's incredible.
06:40I think they came from my great-grandmother's house in Kentucky.
06:44They ended up with my grandma here.
06:46And when she passed away, my dad cleaned everything out.
06:49And they almost ended up in the dumpster.
06:51But my wise, brilliant mother saved them from the garbage
06:54and had them under her bed for like the last 15 years.
06:57I think they are my ancestors, probably from the South Mississippi area, Alabama maybe.
07:04They are wonderful oil-on-board portraits of what we believe to be a husband and wife.
07:11Trying to figure out the date of these, we often will take a look at the sitter's clothing.
07:16And when I look at the woman in particular, I see this high-banded waist.
07:20We refer to that as the Ampire style.
07:23And we see that between about 1800 and 1820.
07:26The gentleman similarly has an outfit that we think of as something from around the War of 1812.
07:33So I think this firmly puts it in.
07:35But the big question is, how do we know they're American?
07:38And so one of the ways we as appraisers will look at an object is by looking at what is
07:44it constructed on.
07:45By taking a look at the back here, we can see the wood that it was made on.
07:50It's got this sort of greenish tinge, which indicates that it's poplar.
07:54A Native American wood.
07:56And we often find that in the mid-Atlantic states and the South.
08:01What I really love about them is their condition.
08:04You probably have the original frame, but it's been painted black later.
08:07They are so fabulously painted.
08:11I just absolutely love the lace work on the bonnet and this pink ribbon running through is spectacular.
08:17The lace on her collar, the fringe and the lace on his shirt, the way his hair is so stylized.
08:24They're so exquisitely done.
08:26What's different is if you look at the oval, you see how sort of uneven this line is?
08:32Well, what I expect to have seen would be what we call eglamizé glass.
08:37So it would have been reverse painted glass.
08:39So it would have been black with gilt highlights that would have covered up that uneven edge.
08:46With the exception of a little bit of the exfoliation on the gentleman and a little bit of rub on
08:51the shoulder here,
08:53they're like untouched.
08:54And that's what we as collectors and appraisers love.
08:57This sort of original condition.
08:59We tried in the short amount of time to figure out who the artist was and we weren't able to
09:04come up.
09:05Sometimes you may be able to find similar profile portraits and describe them based on previous attributions.
09:12I think we need to do more research on that.
09:15I would suggest putting an insurance value of $7,500 on the pair.
09:20Oh my goodness.
09:22That's more than I thought.
09:23Wow.
09:26Wow.
09:27Okay.
09:28They almost got thrown away.
09:29That's amazing.
09:31And when you pulled them out of the box, my heart started beating faster and I couldn't contain my excitement.
09:36I'm glad my mom was smart enough to save them.
09:42Red Butte Garden and Arboretum is part of the University of Utah.
09:47This oak grove has a special connection to the university's history.
09:52Back in the 30s, Walter Carden was a botany professor at the University of Utah.
09:58He was trialing trees for hardiness and one of his primary studies was oak trees, oak hybridization.
10:05And about 130 of those original hybrids are still here on the property in an area we call Cottom's Grove.
10:12Acorns are still collected by horticulturalists and sent to researchers around the world.
10:17In this way, the work Dr. Cottom started decades ago continues.
10:27I bought an old Book of Mormon.
10:29It's an 1840 edition.
10:31And this was in our family.
10:33My grandpa was a collector and he passed it to my dad.
10:37And my dad kept it in the safe.
10:39My mom just passed about a year and a half ago.
10:42And that is when we opened the safe.
10:44We always thought it was a European edition.
10:47But once we opened it, we realized it was not a European edition, but a Nauvoo edition.
10:52Do you know when your grandfather got it or how he...
10:55I believe he bought it in 1972.
10:58Do you have any idea what he paid for it?
11:00I have no idea what he paid for it.
11:02Well, let me...
11:03First of all, it wasn't done in Illinois.
11:06It wasn't done in Nauvoo.
11:07This edition was actually printed in Ohio.
11:10Oh.
11:11As the Mormons moved west, they were considered a cult.
11:15They weren't welcome almost anywhere they went.
11:18And so they had to keep moving.
11:19They knew they were moving to Illinois when this copy was printed.
11:23The Mormon Church and the LDS, they have been very successful.
11:28And people are very, very interested, whether it's Mormon or another religion,
11:32very interested in the origins and the history of their religion.
11:36One of the reasons the book is important and very collectible,
11:40Joseph Smith was still alive when this edition was done.
11:43And for collectors of the Book of Mormon,
11:46one of the key big factors is there were four editions printed when he was alive.
11:52He died in 1844.
11:54They want the ones that he was there and saw the printing.
11:58One thing I will mention about this is this is not the original binding.
12:02My guess would be the binding's 100 years old.
12:06It might be a little bit more.
12:07Very nicely done.
12:09The actual book in this is in great condition.
12:12A retail price, $50,000 to $60,000.
12:16Wow.
12:17Wow.
12:19That's crazy.
12:20That is amazing.
12:24$50,000 to $60,000.
12:26Insurance, I'd probably say $75,000.
12:28If you would come to me with this book 20 years ago,
12:32I would say maybe, maybe $20,000.
12:35I consider it an honor just to be standing here, holding it, and seeing it.
12:40So thank you.
12:42It is a treasure for our family,
12:44and having you share this information has been very, very enlightening and very dear to me.
12:50Can I give you a hug?
12:51Sure.
12:52Okay.
12:54If this was the original binding, this would probably be a retail of $75,000.
13:01Wow.
13:03I can't tell you a ton, but I can tell you that it is from 1709.
13:07It is on the bottom.
13:09It does say 1709.
13:11And it was my grandmother's.
13:13It's from Hungary, and it has made its way to the United States in the 1960s with my family.
13:19So that's what I got so far.
13:26My wife found it about three years ago at an estate sale here locally in Salt Lake.
13:32It has no markings of telling us any origins of where it's from,
13:37so I thought we'd bring it in and see what we could learn from it.
13:40We paid about $10 for it at the time, so hopefully it's worth more than that.
13:52It was about 20, 25 years ago.
13:55There was a gentleman that had an antique store in Salt Lake, and he passed away, and there
14:01was an estate sale of his inventory.
14:04It ran for about three days, and on the third day, I went back and said, I think I really
14:09like these, and I purchased them.
14:12And can you tell me how much you had to pay?
14:13It wasn't very much.
14:15It wasn't very much.
14:15It was $150, maybe under $200, right around that amount of money.
14:19I think the symbol is Darby, but I'm not positive.
14:23Well, let's take a look at that symbol.
14:24There is a mark on the bottom, and it's a kind of a crown.
14:29It's a rare mark for Darby, but it is a Darby mark.
14:32It was first used in about 1811 when a gentleman named Robert Bloor took over the Darby factory.
14:38And I would date these to between 1811 and about 1815, based on the mark.
14:44They're beautifully painted on the front with English flora, and then we'll see on the back,
14:51there's nothing, because they're designed, of course, to go up against a wall on a mantelpiece.
14:58What I love about them is that they've survived so well.
15:01I love the little ram's head handles.
15:03They're what we call bow pots, B-O-U-G-H pots.
15:07And they were a popular thing at the time.
15:10Darby made, perhaps, the best of them.
15:12And you see that the top has these little apertures.
15:18The small ones are for little wooden rods, little canes, if you like.
15:23And then the tulips, or whatever you wanted, croci perhaps, but typically tulips,
15:30would grow up through the rods and be connected and kept together by them, you know.
15:35They grew up through these leaf-shaped apertures.
15:39Beautiful concept.
15:40So I love that they stayed together.
15:43I think you did very well when you bought them.
15:45In an antique shop today, they would be a lot more than $150 or $200.
15:50Okay.
15:51I think it'd be fair to say 10 times that.
15:54Maybe between $1,500 and $2,000 would be the right retail price today.
15:59Oh, that's great.
16:00Yeah.
16:01Very beautiful pair.
16:02And some of them are painted with landscapes.
16:05Oh.
16:05Landscape ones tend to be a little more valuable, actually.
16:07But these are really tasty.
16:13This painting belonged to my grandparents.
16:16My grandfather was born in San Pete County, Utah.
16:20He was a sheep rancher.
16:21He was born in the late 1800s.
16:23My mother tells me that he and my grandmother were traveling to Southern California by car
16:29and drove through Arizona on their way.
16:32And he would have just picked it up on their way to California.
16:37Do you have any idea when that might have been?
16:40It was probably in the 1950s.
16:42It is an oil painting on canvas.
16:44It's titled Pastoral No. 1.
16:48It depicts a shepherdess in Monument Valley.
16:52And I did check with the tribal table.
16:56And they said that this is a Navajo woman.
16:59And it was done most likely in the 1950s.
17:04It's done by Charles Bensko.
17:07Charles Bensko was a Hungarian-born artist and moved to the United States when he was
17:13seven years old.
17:14He was born in 1894.
17:16He moved to New York.
17:18And then he went to L.A., where he was a portrait painter and a muralist.
17:23And then in 1945, went to Phoenix.
17:26When he was in L.A., he was the head of the Society for Sanity in Art.
17:34That was a group of artists.
17:35They were representational artists.
17:37And they were very opposed to all of the modern trends in art.
17:42Do you have any idea what your grandfather might have paid for the painting?
17:47I have no idea.
17:49His work has shown up at auction.
17:50And several very similar scenes to this one have sold in the range of $2,000 to $3,000 at
18:00auction.
18:00Wow.
18:01That's incredible.
18:04That's amazing.
18:05He loved sheep, but he also loved and respected the people who did what he did, too,
18:10which was to care for them.
18:12Well, that's really lovely.
18:13And it's a beautiful painting.
18:15It is.
18:16It is.
18:25I honestly just bought this at an estate sale last weekend for $50.
18:30Apparently, it's an 80s M&M phone, but I honestly haven't plugged it in to see if it works.
18:35I just thought it was really cool, so I bought it.
18:36So I'm just wondering, like, how much it's worth.
18:42My dad heard from his dad that they were some from the 1800s and maybe some from the 1700s.
18:48But be fair, pop-up was a bit of an embellisher, so we have no clue.
18:53So we're looking to find out.
18:54We're looking to find out.
18:57We're looking to find out.
18:58We're looking to find out.
18:59This is a helmet that Charles Lindbergh wore, and it was given to my husband's grandfather.
19:06They first met in about 1924 when Charles enrolled in the Army Air Corps.
19:12And my husband's grandfather, General Cannon, was one of his flight instructors there.
19:20Then, four years later, they met again at an air show, and General Cannon lent Lindbergh
19:29his plane to use in part of the air show.
19:32Wow.
19:32So at the end of the air show, Lindbergh presented this helmet to him, signed it, and dated it.
19:39Wow.
19:40That's an incredible story, and what an amazing gift.
19:43Yeah.
19:44Let's have a close look at it.
19:45What we have is a pretty basic flight helmet for the 1920s.
19:48A simple leather with a buckle strap, and it had these two snap straps in the back that would secure
19:56your goggles
19:57so they wouldn't blow away.
19:59And honestly, at this time, its main function really was just to keep your head warm.
20:03And as you mentioned, it also has Lindbergh's signature right here on the side flap.
20:10Charles Lindbergh, and it's dated September 16th, 1928.
20:14Yes.
20:15Incredible.
20:17Lindbergh was a complicated American historical figure.
20:20Right before World War II, he had an isolationist stance, and he did express some anti-Semitic views.
20:26Lindbergh dropped out of college after two years to join a flight school in Nebraska.
20:31After that, he was barnstorming across the country, wing walking, and doing all kinds of daredevil stunts.
20:37He joined the nascent Army Air Service around 1924, which is what he would have met your husband's grandfather,
20:45and made his historic flight solo nonstop across the Atlantic, May 20th, 1927.
20:52He climbed aboard his plane with a couple of canteens of water, and I think a couple of sandwiches,
20:57and some 33 hours later landed in Paris.
21:02The moment Lindbergh touched down in Paris, he was an international hero, an automatic celebrity.
21:09From the collector perspective, this is a flight helmet that he would have worn.
21:13It is something that was very close to him, and it's an iconic kind of symbol of early aviation.
21:20So, now we also add to that that he signed it and dated it, so 1928, September, just a little
21:27over a year after the historic transatlantic flight.
21:31So, it ticks a lot of boxes for folks.
21:33I would conservatively say, at auction, we're talking about something around $8,000 to $10,000.
21:41If I would insure it, I would think we'd be looking at $20,000.
21:47Okay.
21:57I collected thrift stores, estate sales, and things like that.
22:00And it was something that, they went to a thrift store, they said, look, it's all beat up, 20 bucks
22:06is yours.
22:06It's like, okay, I thought it was Pennsylvania Dutch.
22:10And somebody told me, no, it's Asian art, so.
22:13I don't think this has anything remotely to do with Pennsylvania, Dutch, or German.
22:20Okay.
22:21This is actually from China, from a very specific province called Shaanxi Province.
22:28Okay.
22:29That was known for several things.
22:31One is this very thick, lacquer surface.
22:35And they were put lacquer over a soft wood, which is what we have here.
22:39And what are the other features of Shaanxi Province furniture?
22:44The hinges, they're really thick, heavy, wrought iron.
22:49I suspect that what someone did is they went over the original design that had deteriorated quite a lot.
22:57Uh-huh.
22:58What do you think this dates to?
23:00I think in 1800?
23:01Yeah, but I'd say somewhere between 1880 and 1920.
23:05Because it's got a lot of character in a retail sense.
23:09I would imagine somebody would ask somewhere in the $700 or $800 range for it.
23:16Uh-huh.
23:17Because it's got a lot of flair and it's got nice color.
23:22I brought with me several small pieces that were gifted to my mother by Ed Ruscha, the artist.
23:30She was living in the West Village in New York City, uh, in a little apartment on Bleecker Street, a
23:36two-bedroom with four people living in the apartment.
23:38Her roommate's mother was friends with Ed Ruscha's mother, uh, from Oklahoma, and he was returning from a trip from
23:46Europe.
23:47He needed a place to stay.
23:48Her mother reached out to mother-to-mother, said, can Ed crash on your sofa?
23:52He stayed with them for a few days while he waited for his, uh, car to be delivered from Europe.
23:57While he was there, he gave them this piece and this one, and then later, uh, wrote these letters to
24:03them.
24:04And, uh, I gave my mom this piece, which is actually, uh, a drawing of her car.
24:09She had gotten in a fender bender, and the funny story behind that is that the woman who she had
24:13run into immediately got out of the car
24:15and walked up to her and, you know, extended her hand to shake her hand and said,
24:18It's so nice to meet you.
24:20And so the copy that he put on there is pretty playful.
24:22He kind of made a mock ad and talks about it's a great way to meet people is to get
24:27into minor collisions in your VW.
24:29The visit was in the fall of 1961, and then the letter's postmark is December.
24:35So they stayed in touch for a couple months after.
24:37I think she was curious and wanted to get them, uh, authenticated, and so she looked up his gallery and
24:43wrote to the Gagosha Gallery
24:44and sent a letter with photocopies of them, and apparently they forwarded it to Ed.
24:49And she got a voicemail message from his studio manager saying,
24:53Yes, Ed remembers you and he remembers those pieces.
24:57Ed Ruscha is one of the most important artists of the 20th century.
25:00He was born in Omaha, Nebraska in 1937 and spent a lot of his time in Oklahoma City,
25:07but in 1956 moved to Los Angeles.
25:09So we really think of him mostly as a California artist.
25:13What I find really fascinating about this group is that we are seeing the early stages of him playing with
25:20text and words.
25:22His best known works today are paintings and drawings of words.
25:26He has taken something as simple as a word and elevated it, raising it to a level that makes you
25:32stop and think a little bit deeper about language and culture.
25:36Some of his most important paintings from the early 60s were of the word scream.
25:41And I don't know if this was the first time he utilized scream, but it certainly was very early.
25:47We have two letters here. There's a smaller one that's still in the envelope, which is pencil on paper, and
25:52then we have on display here the larger letter.
25:54My first reaction was these are also works of art.
25:57He's using different color marker for different words.
26:01He puts that ampersand right in the center, very bold.
26:04And so visually, it's very interesting.
26:08This one closest to me is a self-portrait of Ed Ruscha.
26:11It's watercolor and graphite on paper.
26:14I don't think I've ever seen a self-portrait that he made.
26:17Tell me a little bit more about the advertisement that he gave and left behind to your mom and the
26:23roommate.
26:23This was an ad that he had designed and that he's actually in. That's him, the cowboy.
26:28The thought bubble that he customized it with is the names of my mom and her roommates.
26:33Ed Ruscha's museum shows and is shown by some of the most successful galleries in the world.
26:39And so his notoriety and desirability continues to grow.
26:44This letter that we see here, I would put an auction estimate of $3,000 to $5,000.
26:50The smaller sheet, which is in the envelope still, I would put an auction estimate of $2,000 to $3
26:56,000 on that letter.
26:58The self-portrait, $10,000 to $15,000.
27:02Okay.
27:02The collage, also $10,000 to $15,000.
27:06Okay.
27:07And then we have the drawing of the Volkswagen car.
27:11This one, really, you can see where the jump off points were for the rest of his career, where he's
27:17dealing with cars and text and all of the things that we really come to recognize as being what he
27:24is best known for.
27:25An auction estimate on this, I would suggest, should be $20,000 to $30,000.
27:31Great.
27:34Wow.
27:35That's great.
27:44The Fragrance Garden is a wonderful spot here at Red Butte Garden.
27:47It is one of three of our terrace gardens that were some of the foundational gardens here.
27:53It is designed with a central meadow and flagstone path throughout that is bordered on the outside with trees and
28:02flowering shrubs.
28:03Some of the things that are blooming right now are peonies, perennials like yarrow.
28:09All types of fragrance are present there.
28:12The meadow is just a beautiful, flowery place.
28:20In 1952, at age 10, I started collecting cards.
28:24My grandfather gave me a job of gathering snails in his garden.
28:28Mm-hmm.
28:28And I was given five cents a jar, and so I had cash in my pocket.
28:34So I walked down to this store and bought a pack of cards, opened it up.
28:38There was the one card we really had never seen before.
28:41There was Mickey.
28:42Okay.
28:42And it's never, never been out of my possession.
28:46You have the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle, card number 311.
28:50Mickey Mantle played between 1951 and 1968, all for the New York Yankees.
28:55Hall of Fame outfielder, inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1974, 536 career home runs, and one of the
29:03most popular players in the history of baseball.
29:05The Mickey Mantle card here is the most sought-after card in all of card collecting for the vintage cards.
29:11It's one of Mickey Mantle's rookie cards.
29:13The 51 Bowman came out one year earlier.
29:16The 52 Topps still is considered a rookie card.
29:18I would say 99.9% of the time when cards come into Antiques Roadshow, they're just like this.
29:23They're raw or ungraded.
29:25When you see this card come up for market or get valued, it's been graded.
29:30In the last five years, all 85 of them that have sold at auction were professionally graded.
29:35That doesn't surprise me.
29:37You're a purist about the card being in its original state.
29:40There's no question about it.
29:41The market really is pushed by the graded market on a card like this.
29:45Well, that's what some people think.
29:47When we talk about this card and talk about the graded value versus the ungraded value, the card is going
29:53to carry more value when it's graded.
29:55When that card goes to the professional grader, first of all, they're going to verify the authenticity.
30:00They're going to be able to measure it to make sure it hasn't been trimmed or altered.
30:03They're also going to be able to check it under black lights to make sure it hasn't been embellished or
30:06hand-colored.
30:07Then, after all that's done, they're going to assign a numerical grade on it.
30:11And then they're going to encapsulate it.
30:13That's right.
30:14What do you think about that?
30:15It's a burial.
30:16They put them in a coffin.
30:17Okay.
30:18What I love about it is the coloring.
30:21It's so bright.
30:22And the centering is nice, too.
30:24When I pull out the high-power magnification, that's when I detect wear just a little bit on three of
30:31the corners.
30:31The worst being the lower left corner.
30:33This card here, in my opinion, is a VGX4.
30:39Okay.
30:40And this card, in this condition, at auction, they sell for $40,000 to $50,000 ungraded.
30:48Well, the last one that I knew, August of 2022, that sold for $12.6 million.
30:54Mm-hmm.
30:55If that card was right here and my card was here, I'd pick my card up.
30:59Hmm.
30:59So that's how I put value on things, because I know it's authenticity.
31:03Right.
31:03This card, professionally graded, assuming it gets that same grade of a very good, excellent condition, they typically sell at
31:10auction for $65,000 to $75,000.
31:15It was my husband's grandfather's, and we don't know where he got it.
31:20I'm guessing that it's either used for water or...
31:25I don't know.
31:26And that's why I'm here, to find out more about it.
31:31We brought in some old quarantine flags.
31:34We paid $100 for both of them.
31:35I think they're from the 20s, but I honestly don't know.
31:39Yeah.
31:40We're kind of curious to find that out.
31:47Just this last Christmas, my cousin was helping my grandparents go through one of their storage rooms.
31:54And they pulled this doll out.
31:56It looks like it had never been opened or touched.
31:59And my grandma was like, oh, it's a new Barbie doll.
32:01And she actually was going to give it to one of my cousin's daughters, who's eight.
32:06And I was like, oh, can I come look at it?
32:09Just from what my knowledge is, I think this could be valuable.
32:11So I was like, maybe hold off on giving it as a birthday present.
32:14My grandma doesn't even remember buying it.
32:17Probably bought in the early 70s, maybe for my mom or for one of her sisters, so...
32:22What you have is a Walkin' Jamie doll, and it's called Strollin' in Style.
32:27She's in the Barbie family.
32:29And Walkin' Jamie was made by Mattel exclusively for Sears.
32:34This was a doll that you would find in the Sears Wish Book.
32:39It only came out during the holiday season.
32:42And this box just really illustrates the time period.
32:47Even the graphics on it are very 1970s.
32:50And then what's even more fun is when we take the lid off the box and surprise, look at this.
32:58I mean, it's just like Christmas Day, 1972, all over again.
33:04Never been out of the packaging.
33:06Still has the original cellophane over her.
33:09And the colors are so vibrant.
33:12This is a time capsule of the period.
33:16There was one edition before her.
33:17It was different colors.
33:19The clothing was oranges and yellows.
33:21And the dog was actually gray instead of white.
33:24And they were only made between 1970 and 1972.
33:29Okay.
33:30And you can see Jamie.
33:32She's a beautiful doll.
33:33I mean, she's got a beautiful face.
33:35And she's the first Barbie's friend that they actually used a Barbie mold to create her.
33:40Everybody else had their own mold.
33:43She's got a button on her back.
33:45And if you push the button, she actually moves her arms and legs and turns her head.
33:50Okay.
33:51And all this brilliant engineering was done, created by a man named Jack Ryan that worked for Mattel.
33:58And he designed the Barbie dolls all through the 60s and 70s.
34:01Value-wise, it's hard to find her because there just weren't that many out there.
34:07And then it's just in beautiful condition.
34:11They just rarely exist.
34:13You're Jamie.
34:14Her retail value would be somewhere between $1,800 and $2,200.
34:20Wow.
34:20That's amazing.
34:30I've got this vintage Rolex that I understand is from about 1970.
34:34Here in Salt Lake, there's a local company that does primarily online auctions, but they also have a small brick
34:40and mortar retail operation.
34:42I found that in there one day and they had it priced fairly high.
34:45So I wanted to do some research and due diligence and ended up deciding it was worth risking the $2
34:53,800 that I spent on it at the time in about 2010.
34:56I really admired the Rolex red Submariners for a long time.
35:01And especially the ones with the kind of the ghost number dial around the outside.
35:06In the last few years, a lot of things have changed.
35:09These older models certainly have gone up in price.
35:11This particular model is the 1980.
35:13It was actually built in 1970, like you said.
35:17Okay.
35:18It has a special red Submariner on the dial.
35:22There was about 11,000 pieces made.
35:24They started making the red Submariner in 1967.
35:27This is like the fourth generation of this dial.
35:31They made about seven different generations up until about 1976.
35:35So the watch also features a large date aperture.
35:39So you have a large date.
35:40It's easy to read under the water.
35:41It has luminous hands, markers, which is also used for diving purposes.
35:46Then you also have the diver bezel, which is zero to 60.
35:49You could do minutes or seconds off that bezel also for diving purposes.
35:54Do you wear it often?
35:56Not very much.
35:57Yeah.
35:57I just take it out and admire it now and then.
36:00You should wear it.
36:00It's a great watch to put on and wear around.
36:03Okay.
36:03I'll do that.
36:04Did you ever have this watch appraised?
36:07About the time I bought it, maybe a year later, I had it appraised by the local Rolex
36:12dealer for insurance purposes for about $8,000.
36:15I can value this watch nowadays for about $25,000 at retail value.
36:22Oh my goodness.
36:24Yeah.
36:25Wow.
36:29I had no idea.
36:32That's outstanding.
36:34Wow.
36:34But I would have it appraised for close to $30,000.
36:38For insurance purposes.
36:39Yes, for insurance purposes.
36:41Great.
36:41Okay.
36:41All right.
36:42I'll call my insurance man right now.
36:44The bezel alone is worth $3,000.
36:47Oh my goodness.
36:52My mom grew up next door to a woman in Georgia.
36:55And in the early 70s, she bought a player piano from her.
37:00And when she went to buy the player piano, the woman gave her this painting also.
37:04When my parents downsized, my mom gave the painting to me.
37:06She lives in our house now.
37:08She hangs on the mantel.
37:09Yes.
37:10She lives on the mantel.
37:11Yes.
37:15This is my dad's guitar.
37:16We lived in Burlington, Vermont.
37:18And my uncle came to visit.
37:20And he happened to see this in a window of a music store.
37:24The salesman explained that it was a very unique guitar.
37:27Brand new for Fender is a brand new line.
37:29They take an electric guitar neck and put it on a body of an acoustic guitar.
37:34He loved it, but he couldn't afford it.
37:37So he talked my mom into buying it as a gift from my dad.
37:41And ever since then, whenever they'd get together, they would play for hours and hours.
37:46My dad played the harmonica and they would play until the middle of the night.
37:50So I have some very fond memories of this guitar with my dad and my uncle.
37:59This is a silver epernet.
38:01I believe it's a centerpiece for a lovely flower arrangement.
38:06I inherited this from my mother, who inherited it from her great aunt.
38:13It's just been in the family for the last 60 years.
38:18Any ideas on where great aunt may have gotten it?
38:21She and her husband, who I believe was a diplomat, did live in China for a period of time.
38:29I believe between the 40s and 50s.
38:31And she acquired it then along with some other silver pieces.
38:35Do you have any idea what she paid for it?
38:38No, no idea whatsoever.
38:40Now when you first came to the table, I immediately thought,
38:46why on earth did they send this to Asian art?
38:49Because this is very much so a European form, an English form.
38:54Yes.
38:54And it's epern.
38:56There you go.
38:58Now, eperns are absolutely used for flowers.
39:04They're floral display vases.
39:06Every single one of these vases has a separate motif.
39:12And looking at them, my colleague and I immediately thought, Japanese.
39:18But it's not Japanese.
39:21Aha.
39:21The plot thickens.
39:23The plot thickens.
39:24The English vase that looks Japanese is actually Chinese.
39:29On the base, there is a mark.
39:32Now every single piece comes off.
39:37And when we look at the base, we have a little mark.
39:47Aha.
39:48Oh, I see it.
39:49It says Shanghai Qingyun Company.
39:52The Qingyun Company was active from 1783 to between 1890 and 1900.
40:02Hmm.
40:03I would say this most likely dates to the late 19th century.
40:07Wow.
40:081880 to 1900 to what's called Guangxu period in the Qing dynasty.
40:15Wow.
40:16Japanese craftsmen were in China.
40:19Aha.
40:20Chinese craftsmen were going to Japan because they were trying to figure out what do Europeans and Americans want.
40:27So looking at each, there's a different motif.
40:31On this one, we have bamboo.
40:34Bamboo is indicative of strength of character.
40:38They're the three friends of winter.
40:40Interesting.
40:41Over here, we have irises.
40:44Here, we have cherry blossoms, plum blossoms.
40:48And finally in the center, the strong pine tree, who's resilient and can last through the winter.
40:54It looks Georgian, but the mark on the base tells us a different story.
40:59And the decoration on it tells us a different story.
41:03What I would estimate it would sell for at auction today is between $2,000 and $4,000.
41:10Nice.
41:11That's excellent.
41:13Thank you so much.
41:15Great news.
41:16The family would be proud.
41:19And now they might want to know who's getting it.
41:24Now, I just wish we could put some flowers in it.
41:28We could go get some.
41:30We might get in trouble.
41:31Yeah.
41:33Absolutely.
41:36Penstemon is one of the most recognizable plants here in Utah.
41:39There are 280 species in the United States.
41:42Over 100 of them can be found right here in Utah.
41:45They're known as beard tongue.
41:47And it's because they have this long little staminoid.
41:50And it kind of sticks out like a tongue.
41:52And then it has this little tubular petal that makes it kind of look like a beard.
41:56And it's highly specialized for hummingbirds and bees.
41:59It's an incredibly adaptable plant.
42:02They can tolerate wet.
42:04They can tolerate dry.
42:05They do prefer well draining soils.
42:07But you will find some species everywhere in Utah.
42:12This is a painting from a local painter here that I acquired from a friend.
42:18We've had it for eight or nine years.
42:21My understanding was the painting was from a view of the capital in Salt Lake City, kind of facing down
42:31towards Main Street, which obviously would have been a long time ago.
42:36And the artist?
42:38Gary Smith.
42:39This is an oil on board painting by one of the more well-known contemporary Mormon artists living today.
42:47He is from Oregon originally, but he lives around here.
42:50And he's painted around here a lot and has done a lot for the temples.
42:53He was actually director of the gallery at Brigham Young University.
42:57The painting is not dated.
42:59I think it's probably from circa 2000.
43:02The artist was born in 1942.
43:04He's still active.
43:06It could be topographical.
43:07But I think what it really shows is this artist at his best.
43:10He's very well known for his use of simple composition, strong colors and forms, and imbuing a certain kind of
43:19spiritual sense into his landscapes.
43:22With ideas such as connection to God, connection to hard work, connection to the West and to the history of
43:28the American West.
43:29A lot of artists, their ultimate goal is to achieve something a little bit more, a little bit higher, something
43:35closer to the spiritual plane.
43:37And in doing so, using their own medium.
43:41I know that this artist has written about working in that way.
43:45But it's also something that you can see.
43:48It has this vibration.
43:49Vibration of colors, vibration of movement, vibration of form that just all together makes a really whole, complete artwork.
43:57He's important.
43:58He's important as a contemporary artist.
44:00He's important as a Western artist.
44:01He's important as a Mormon artist.
44:02Have you ever had it appraised?
44:04Shortly after I acquired it, I was offered $2,000.
44:10And I said, you know, no, it's probably got a lot more meaning than $2,000.
44:16A conservative auction estimate on this would be about $8,000 to $12,000.
44:21Wow.
44:22Way better than what I was offered.
44:24That's great.
44:26It could go higher.
44:28Well, thank you.
44:28It brings a lot of joy.
44:34After my grandpa retired, he started refurbishing music boxes.
44:39So he collected hundreds throughout the years.
44:43And when he passed away, all of the grandkids got one or two of their favorites.
44:48And you said you wanted the monkey in the hat.
44:50Monkey in the hat.
44:51All right.
44:52It was a popular one.
44:53So do you know anything about its origin, who made it, its manufacturing date, anything like that?
44:58I have absolutely no clue.
45:00All right.
45:01Well, what I can tell you is that it's French.
45:03It was manufactured by a firm called Roulet and Decamps, operating out of Paris.
45:10They were in operation from the mid-1800s all the way through late 20th century.
45:16So what we have here is a monkey in a hat.
45:20And what you would do is you would wind up this mechanism right here with the key.
45:26And you would depress this little button here.
45:29Why don't you give it a play?
45:31Let's see how it works.
45:37There he goes.
45:37There we go.
45:38The monkey that is inside would pop out.
45:42He would bare his teeth, grin, go up and down.
45:45And this monkey itself is made out of animal fur, likely rabbit.
45:50It's got a leather face with glass eyes.
45:53Do you have any idea of the value, what you think it might be worth?
45:57I have absolutely no idea.
45:59Well, at auction, I would probably estimate it in the range of $1,500 to $3,000.
46:05All right.
46:05That's great.
46:13This is my great grandfather's clock.
46:16And there's a very interesting message inside.
46:19I bought this clock in 1867 for $16.
46:25Whosoever hands it may come into, he and successors can see how many generations it will go on running.
46:33And it has gone on running.
46:36This is a Seth Thomas clock.
46:37And the interesting story about this clock is that if you look at the label, it says Seth Thomas, Thomaston,
46:43Connecticut.
46:44And he started in Plymouth Hollow.
46:47And in 1865, the town was so grateful for all the people he employed that they renamed the town Thomaston
46:54in 1865.
46:55So you know that this was made right after 1865.
46:58It is in great condition.
47:00And this clock would sell retail for about $550 to today's market.
47:06That's great.
47:06We treasure it.
47:11This is an African-American schoolgirl sampler that was made in Baltimore in 1834.
47:21I went to an estate moving sale about six or seven years ago and I saw it there and I
47:29was struck by the design.
47:30I just loved it.
47:32And would you pay for it?
47:34$150.
47:35I love pieces like this because first of all, there's always a lot of information on the sampler, the name
47:42of the child that worked it and possibly even the school where it was made.
47:48And pieces like this almost are portals.
47:52They take you back to a time and to a place.
47:56And in this particular case, it's Baltimore and it's 1834.
48:02There was a gentleman who came from Philadelphia.
48:05His name was William Lovington.
48:08Reverend Lovington was black, educated in Philadelphia, ordained there,
48:14came to Baltimore with the purpose of starting the St. James Church.
48:19And he opened up in Baltimore, south of the Mason-Dixon line, a school for freed black children.
48:29But there were children of enslaved black people.
48:33The school philosophy was to teach both.
48:37Very, very progressive, very, very forward thinking.
48:41So let's look at this beautiful needlework.
48:44You have a piece that is all silk on a piece of linen.
48:49It says, worked by Ann Elizabeth Smith.
48:54Did you know who she was?
48:56No, I do not.
48:58Okay, I found her.
48:59You found her?
49:00I did.
49:01She was the only person with the name of Ann Elizabeth Smith in Baltimore in 1834.
49:09She was born in 1822.
49:12So she was 12 years old when she made this sampler.
49:17And you see it says, Ann Elizabeth Smith, the first African PEC, that's Protestant Episcopal Church,
49:28school in Baltimore, November 12th, 1834.
49:34It's beautifully done, this basket of flowers, the vine that runs around the whole thing, and the whole canvas is
49:42filled.
49:42Very powerful piece.
49:45So, what's it worth?
49:48There's only, prior to today, only three samplers that are known from that school.
49:55That's it.
49:56And one of them was made by the Reverend Lovington, who ran the school.
50:02Reverend Lovington's sampler, looking very similar to this, a little more developed, a little more colorful, is now at Colonial
50:12Williamsburg.
50:13The other two known are also in institutions.
50:16So, Dave, you own the only one in private hands.
50:21I would put a retail value on it of $75,000 to $85,000.
50:28Thank you, Alan.
50:29Thank you very much.
50:31I look at this every day.
50:34And every day, it brings me joy and it brings me hope.
50:39And now it's time for the Roadshow Feedback Booth.
50:43I brought this Utah history book.
50:45It's worth like 50 bucks, but it's pretty cool.
50:48And I brought a bag of German pub coasters, and they are worth pretty much nothing.
50:53But this one has my name on it, and I thought that was pretty sick.
50:56And we had so much fun.
50:57We traveled 900 miles to get here.
51:00And we brought our Steins, which are worth $1,500, and some other items worth almost $5,000.
51:06So, we are going to go fill these babies up and celebrate.
51:09Cheers!
51:12I have a Gary Collins here from the early 80s that was traded to my father in exchange for some
51:18upholstery work.
51:19Growing up, my dad always said, this is your college fund, Eric.
51:23This is what's going to pay for you to go to school.
51:25Turns out it's about $1,500 on a good day.
51:28You can sleep easy, Dad.
51:29We don't need to store it with so much ease anymore.
51:31We brought a 1920 silver-plated cigarette holder.
51:38And the guy said, he thinks the dog got to it.
51:41I found it at a state sale for $25 with a little case.
51:46It's worth $25.
51:48I got this for $400. It's worth $7.
51:51It's a local artist, Florence Ware.
51:54And then our neighbors sold us this, and we were deciding whether or not we were going to stay friends
51:58with them.
51:59So, they sold it for $600. It's worth $1,000 to $1,200.
52:02So, we'll go for dinner.
52:04We'll be having them over for dinner.
52:05We brought a political propaganda poster, because I was hoping to meet Nicholas Lowry.
52:10And I did!
52:11I'm so excited!
52:18Thanks, for watching. See you next time on Antiques Roadshow!
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