00:00Well, hello.
00:03I got to tell you, I have some, we have some concerns today.
00:07We are here right now.
00:09FanDuel has it at minus 400.
00:11David is going to flip out on somebody today.
00:13Just tell you that.
00:17It's going to be exciting.
00:20Kenny Cott is ready to go.
00:21I know you're amped up about Steve Iserman talking tomorrow.
00:24Let me, let me help you with that.
00:26Yeah.
00:28Good thing.
00:28Nothing else going on tomorrow.
00:29Wake me up if he says anything.
00:31Tiger day game.
00:33Also, shout out Kenny for doing the voiceover on that governatorial ad.
00:38It's tremendous.
00:41Come on, Kenny, Kenny.
00:43Relax.
00:44All the Italian jokes have a way of coming back.
00:46That's all I'm saying.
00:47You know what?
00:48I'll allow that.
00:49All the music.
00:50I take it in stride.
00:51Yes, you do.
00:52Yes.
00:53I didn't know.
00:55That's right.
00:56Exactly.
00:58I want to start with Lions, and then we're going to get to the Pistons.
01:01I just, I think these quotes, it doesn't force us to reinvestigate yesterday.
01:08I thought we had a good conversation.
01:10You're looking to move down.
01:11I'm looking to move up.
01:12Right.
01:13And part of my opinion is, I'm convinced not only that they, you know, that I want an
01:21offensive tackle, that they need one, desperately.
01:24That the idea of having some depth, the idea that I don't want to look at Larry Borum in
01:31a starting role, you need a tackle.
01:33You just do.
01:35Well, I have two quotes, one's from Ian Rappaport, and one's from Todd McShay, and I'm not going
01:41to spend 10 seconds trying to convince you to change your opinion.
01:45I'm going to read these and ask if you have changed your opinion, and I want to hear from
01:48the people, because honestly, I think we have better odds talking pickleball than we do the
01:53NFL draft.
01:54And just for the record, this isn't, I'm going to die on this hill.
01:57So I just look at this team, you need bodies that you can't afford to give away picks in
02:06order to move up.
02:07If you move up, Matt, this, this person has to be that dude.
02:10Well, guess what?
02:12You may not want to be moving up, but it sounds like others are.
02:15This is from McShay.
02:17The Bucks at 15 and the Jets at 16 are actively fielding calls to several teams looking to move
02:26ahead of, you guessed it, the Lions.
02:29This is the quote.
02:30Detroit has a mark on its back.
02:33No team's done more work on offensive tackles, and everyone in the league knows it.
02:40The Bucks at 15 and Jets at 16 are fielding calls.
02:44Now, this is what's interesting as well.
02:46The teams that are in the tackle group, tell me if a few of these jump out at you a
02:51little
02:51bit.
02:51You ready for this?
02:52Yep.
02:54Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Carolina.
02:59I'll go with teams that made the playoffs, Alex.
03:02That are all in the NFC, as well as Houston, Kansas City, New England.
03:07Now, here's the other thing.
03:08It doesn't matter necessarily who moves ahead of you.
03:11If they're taking players you want, that's the barrier of proof.
03:15I'm not going to do this whole, oh no, the Bears are going to take a guy, and now that
03:20makes them better.
03:21No, it's just an idea of people you're going to be facing want what you want, need what
03:27you need, and if they get it, it means you don't.
03:31But it's any of those teams.
03:33Now, here's the Rappaport thing, and this sounds awfully familiar, so maybe it lends credibility
03:40if two insiders who likely are not sleeping with sources, like certain other people.
03:47It took five minutes and 27 seconds.
03:50I just, I can't believe the idiocy of both sides of it, and Mike Vrabel basically admitting
03:57guilt with not admitting guilt.
03:59The whole thing is just clownery.
04:02Quote, I think it's pretty clear the Lions have a need, a significant need for an offensive
04:08tackle, and a lot of teams know it.
04:10This is from Ian Rappaport.
04:12Now the Lions have said we may not need a tackle, but it's fair to say teams believe
04:17they will, and several teams right behind them, Panthers, Eagles, Niners, do they jump
04:25in front of the Lions to get the player they want?
04:28Look, you don't have to do anything, you could say, Mike, I get it, I hear it, but I still
04:34need quantity, not quality.
04:37You know my position.
04:38Yeah, I do.
04:39I'm not trying to convince you.
04:40No.
04:40I'm even more entrenched, I want to move up, because I do not want the leftovers in a plastic
04:47bag at 17.
04:48See, I don't think you're going to get the leftovers, but I see your concern, and anybody
04:54who says you got to get that tackle, I'm not going to be mad at you, okay?
04:57I don't care that much.
05:00I care more about the secondary, and I care more about the defensive line, that even though
05:07you may be getting leftovers, quote unquote, if your grading of the number two tackle and
05:16the number five tackle are so similar for all those in between, that's okay, because you
05:24still have to fill holes in so many other parts of your team.
05:28If it were just that, Michael, I would be holding hands with you as we run the card up
05:34to the commissioner.
05:35Okay.
05:35But I still look at the fact that even if you get your guy, you get Monroe Freeling at
05:43tackle spot, and he becomes your right tackle, he can't play safety, he can't play corner,
05:49he can't play defensive line.
05:52I don't think this team, I'm at a point now, I don't think this team gives a damn about
05:56defense.
05:58I don't, but I'm trying to will it upon him, I'm trying to speak it into existence, because
06:04I know championship teams can play defense.
06:09I want to ask the people this.
06:11Because see Seahawks from last year.
06:13Rico has a different viewpoint about needs.
06:15I think there's only one need that matters as far as pick 17.
06:21It's getting this offensive line back to where it was, and that's the secret of the sauce.
06:27Now, that's just me.
06:29Maybe I'm in the minority opinion here.
06:31Maybe you're with Rico is like, look, we have needs with Z's on the end of it, and I'm not
06:37ranking any one over the other.
06:38Just get good player.
06:39But where are you?
06:41Are you in offensive line or bust mode, like I am?
06:45Or are you with Rico?
06:47No, guys, honestly, they could take a corner, I'd be okay with it.
06:50They could take a safety, I'd be okay with it.
06:52They could take an O-lining.
06:53They could take a D-line.
06:55I want to know.
06:57Because, look, Rico, you and I joke about it.
07:00I mean, talking draft is one step from talking like, what guitar did Gator play last night?
07:05I don't know what the hell's going on in this town.
07:08We could break down the WMEA coming to town and probably get more calls.
07:13I'll leave before we do that.
07:14But I want to hear from the people.
07:162-4-8-5-3-9-97-97.
07:18Are you with Rico that it's needs?
07:21Or are you with me where it's like, yeah, I'll get to those, but if I don't get an offensive
07:25lineman at 17, this whole thing is fugazi.
07:28David, outside of yelling at me and Rico, where are you at to start the show today?
07:32I am with Rico when it comes to there are needs.
07:36But there's one thing.
07:37I'm being surprised there.
07:38There's one thing that worries me, though, and it is the Howie Roseman effect.
07:44Because you did say the Eagles are on that list.
07:46That is correct.
07:47From Todd McShay.
07:48That concerns me.
07:50Because what happened in 2024?
07:52The Eagles were ahead of you in the draft and they took Quincy Mitchell.
07:56Everyone thought the Lions should trade up to get Quincy Mitchell.
07:59I wonder why.
08:00Because the Eagles were right there looking for the same position.
08:04The fact that Howie Roseman is in this rumor or in this thought to be looking to trade
08:10up above the Lions to get a tackle means he has a guy that you should go up and get.
08:15But David, get ahead of him.
08:17Quincy Mitchell was one of one and it was a clear drop off.
08:22From what I'm understanding with the offensive linemen, especially the tackles, they're kind
08:27of about four or five grouped together.
08:31So, yes, if there was just one, then Mike's correct.
08:35You go get that one.
08:36But what I'm saying is the one that Howie wants, I want is what I'm saying.
08:41But between Quincy Mitchell and Tarion Arnold, I hear you, Moses, and they could just walk
08:50through that gap.
08:50Can I offer something?
08:52Can I just offer?
08:54I don't want to argue semantics because Rico might be right is that there's not one towering
08:59alignment publicly.
09:01What do we always talk about?
09:03These teams value boards have nothing to do with what old hairspray puts on ESPN.
09:09So the idea is Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd.
09:14The whole idea is I do have a belief in my mind that especially Brad Holmes, we've talked
09:21about this, very stingy on first round grades.
09:25If they have a first round grade on Caden Proctor and then there's a fall off, let's say they
09:30have three first round grades on tackles and the fall off becomes second round grades after
09:35that.
09:35I don't want to go as finite as David saying, well, I need who Howie Roseman wants.
09:40No, but I understand his principal point.
09:43You want someone you feel like deserves to be taken here or, or you do what Rico says.
09:51I either want to take one of my handful of first round grades and I'm going to do what
09:55it takes to get them.
09:55Or believe it or not, if there's still room in the little motorcycle sidecar and Rico will
10:01let me sit there, I'll go his way.
10:04What I'm not going to do is sit at 17 and take leftover Chinese food, AKA like the seventh
10:11best tackle.
10:12Not doing it.
10:13I'll hop in his sidecar and we'll drive downtown and go shopping.
10:18But I'm not going to sit there and just take what's given.
10:24We headed to Shinola first.
10:25Let's whatever you like.
10:27Kenny Cott, your thoughts.
10:30Kenny is screening.
10:31I set him up for a fail there.
10:32I'll get to Kenny momentarily.
10:34David, early text.
10:35That's my bad, Kenny.
10:37There are needs.
10:40That's why I'm a fan of trading down.
10:42They are comparable offensive linemen lower than 17 and draft capital will allow the team
10:47to fill the holes.
10:49Too many needs on the defense solidify the O-line so we can convert fourth downs to keep the
10:54defense off the field.
10:55There you go, baby.
10:57It's O-line or edge for me.
10:59Anything other than that is a bust.
11:01It is Nort from Pinckney.
11:02Okay.
11:03One more and we'll hear from Kenny.
11:04And Ann Arbor says offensive line or bust.
11:07Okay.
11:07That's where I'm at.
11:07Kenny, first of all, are you O-line or this is Fugazi?
11:12And then part two is just what do you make of these reports?
11:16You know where Rico's at.
11:17You know where I'm at.
11:18Where are you at now?
11:19Today.
11:19Right now.
11:20Where I'm at is if teams are willing to, first of all, I'm team O-liner Fugazi because
11:24I think if you don't get an O-liner, then it is Fugazi.
11:27But I worry about when I hear reports like what Rappaport said that teams could jump you
11:32in the draft.
11:34I think there's a bunch of good O-liners at the top.
11:37Like my personal favorite is Iona from Penn State.
11:40Um, and I, we're taking him at 10.
11:43He's not for you.
11:44What's that?
11:45The Giants are taking him at 10.
11:46No.
11:46In my sappy world.
11:48But if you trade up, he could be ours.
11:50Go ahead.
11:51No, I worry about those reports.
11:53I think they're valid and I don't want to see that happen and us lose.
11:57And if you flowchart back to O-liner Fugazi, then what are we talking about?
12:022-4-8-5-3-9-97-97.
12:04I want to get with the people and we'll get more of the texts and kind of go down the
12:08road.
12:09Pistons, game two.
12:10I have an expectation.
12:11I have a demand.
12:12I will offer it to you and you can tell me whether you share it or not.
12:16We'll do it at three o'clock.
12:17Here's Rico.
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