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Seth and Sean discuss the concerning state of Astros and Rockets fans falling somewhere between apathy and wanting to blow the roster up.
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00:00That was a bad night last night.
00:01Astros blow 4-2 lead in the eighth inning.
00:04The Rockets don't look any better with Kevin Durant
00:07than they did without Kevin Durant in game one.
00:10He really, ultimately, he didn't make a difference.
00:14He was great early in the game.
00:16He scored three points in the second half.
00:18Did nothing but turn the ball.
00:20He had more turnovers than points in the second half of the game.
00:22That's how bad it was.
00:23It was every bad thing.
00:25Honestly, we could just take a grab bag of various pundits
00:29saying things about the Astros at various times this year,
00:33and it would work.
00:34We could do a guessing game of just like,
00:37hey, was this said last night after the game,
00:40or was this said on January 31st?
00:42It would be impossible to tell.
00:44It would.
00:45You'd be purely guessing.
00:46You're absolutely right.
00:48So the two things I've seen the most on the base power text line this morning, Seth,
00:53and admittedly, it's been mostly about the Rockets
00:55because that's the more immediate one,
00:57but I've seen the same things about the Astros on social media,
01:00talking to people, things like that,
01:02is we're veering into the two most dangerous areas, in my mind,
01:07for teams with hope.
01:09You know, if you're a bad team,
01:11then you're going to be talking about trade this guy, fire that guy,
01:13or you're just apathetic.
01:15And so at least we're not at that stage yet,
01:17although Friday will be an interesting referendum on the Rockets.
01:20Teams with hope,
01:21and I guess if we say hope with the Astros or the Rockets right now,
01:23it feels like hope in the way that you're teetering on the edge of a cliff,
01:29and there's a helicopter coming on the way,
01:31but you're not sure if it's going to get there before the Rockledge crumbles.
01:36Yes, yeah.
01:37And with the Rockets especially,
01:40the rock is starting to crumble.
01:43Is there a helicopter on the way?
01:45Yeah, and I guess just to be clear about the whole hope thing,
01:47like I have no delusions that the Rockets nor the Astros
01:50are serious contenders for the championship in their sport right now,
01:54but they are,
01:55I think they are both teams that came into the season with that type of hope.
01:59Yeah.
02:00And I think they're both teams that have talented players on the team.
02:03Like I've said before,
02:04I don't think the Rockets are a bad basketball team.
02:08I've watched,
02:09I was in Vegas watching a lot of bad basketball as I was betting on bad teams.
02:13I'm like,
02:13oh,
02:13they're better than those teams,
02:14but they're not a championship contender and against good teams and
02:17especially well-coached teams right now.
02:19And that's the biggest thing.
02:20And that's the lead in here is that the day,
02:22the two most dangerous areas that they're veering into right now,
02:25Seth is number one.
02:27I just want the Rockets to lose this series in embarrassing fashion.
02:31So it'll spur the Fertittas on to fire Eme Udoka.
02:35You are.
02:35So they understand exactly where they are.
02:37Yes.
02:38This is,
02:39Hey,
02:40you had that nice little stretch at the end of the season.
02:42Cool.
02:43What's it going to look like when you go up against teams that are dialed in
02:46and playing for it?
02:47And I don't like the Lakers aren't even theoretically that good right now,
02:52but they're going to be dialed in.
02:54And what version of offense do you show?
02:56And it shows that you're right back to where you were mid season in the
02:59middle of that,
03:00that lull of just no,
03:02absolutely no actual offense.
03:04Yep.
03:05Other than just stabbing at things.
03:06You are literally rooting against your team.
03:09You're doing the,
03:10you're doing the antithesis of what sports is all about,
03:13which,
03:13you know,
03:14from time of Memorial sports is man.
03:16They're my team.
03:17And I want to root for my team,
03:18especially when you're going against LeBron and the Lakers.
03:20You know what I mean?
03:21Like that's an easy team.
03:22That's an easy uniform and an easy player to conjure up some good sports
03:25hate for.
03:26And there are rocket fans texting in.
03:28And I know there's some that don't text.
03:29They don't call,
03:30but they're listening right now that are like,
03:32you know what we're going to get thrown into a buzzsaw anyways,
03:34in the second round,
03:36whatever,
03:37whatever can happen to affect big picture change.
03:39I'm for that.
03:40And people feel like that is losing.
03:43And I think there,
03:43there are Astro fans.
03:44Obviously this is a longer play with the Astros,
03:47but I think there's Astro fans that feel like,
03:49you know,
03:49there's somebody other than a spot that can give this team a jolt.
03:51And if part of the,
03:52part of the,
03:53the,
03:53the,
03:54the sacrifice,
03:55the broken glass is that we get off to a horrible start and Jim Crane decides
04:00to do something that I think Astro fans are cool with that too.
04:02It's like,
04:03if you're a gladiator,
04:04there's about to be sent out to fight a lion.
04:06Yeah.
04:06You'd rather somebody just go ahead and whack you on the head.
04:09Yeah.
04:09Just chop my head off.
04:11Yeah,
04:11please,
04:12please.
04:12Somebody just stab me in the throat before I go out and face this lion.
04:16Yes.
04:16Yes.
04:17Of course there is a certain glory and,
04:18you know,
04:19fighting,
04:20putting up a good fight.
04:21I'll let you go fight that fight.
04:22Just chop my head off.
04:24Whatever,
04:25whatever has me not feeling anything anymore.
04:27So that's number one.
04:28And that's a horrible place to be as a sports fan,
04:30right?
04:31When you're rooting against your team,
04:32I think Texan fans would look,
04:33would look back at the end of the bill O'Brien era.
04:35I think there are a lot of Texan fans that were,
04:37that were happy that they went.
04:39Oh,
04:39and four to start that season.
04:41And the bill O'Brien got fired.
04:42Just happy that like,
04:43all right.
04:43Yes.
04:44Let's identify just how bad this situation is.
04:47Let's not,
04:48it's a equivalent of just almost,
04:50yeah.
04:51Like declare bankruptcy,
04:52right?
04:52Just stop fighting this.
04:54You're not going to win.
04:56Yeah.
04:56Just go ahead and declare bankruptcy and start over.
04:58I'll tell,
04:58I'll take the hickey on my credit rating for the next several years,
05:01but I know we'll come out of it at some point and I'll buy a house again.
05:04And all that stuff.
05:05Yeah.
05:05Instead of just,
05:05you know,
05:06hovering along.
05:07That's right.
05:08That's what it feels like you could do with the Rockets for the next three
05:10years.
05:10Letting the mailbox.
05:12Just hover along with a haphazard offense.
05:14And every now and then,
05:15you know,
05:15it's like,
05:16it's a point now where the only hope,
05:18the only,
05:18one of the only things they could have done offensively last night was maybe play
05:21Reed Shepard more.
05:22And maybe,
05:23maybe he would be the one guy that would be knocking his shots.
05:26but they also look,
05:28they had to fix the defense from game one,
05:30which they did.
05:31But that also involves getting Reed Shepard the hell off the floor.
05:34Yep.
05:34Yep.
05:34Yep.
05:34So that's,
05:35that's number one of the two dangerous areas that we're in right now with
05:39both these teams.
05:40The other one is I'll read this text.
05:43This is about the Rockets,
05:44but there are people that are in this same space right now with the Astros.
05:47The text reads as follows on the Rockets.
05:50He may needs to be reevaluated this season and the,
05:53Oh,
05:53this is where I'm going with this set.
05:54And the only folks that should be brought back are Amen,
05:57Reed and Durant.
05:58Everyone else can go and bring on Giannis.
06:02And with the Rockets,
06:03it's still,
06:04Hey,
06:04get rid of Shen goon.
06:05Get rid of this guy.
06:06Tari Jabari,
06:07whoever,
06:08get rid of all these guys to bring in one last big swing at this thing.
06:13Yeah.
06:13With the Astros,
06:15with the Astros,
06:16it's,
06:17you know,
06:18you are,
06:18well,
06:18there are some people that would say trade your Don,
06:20cause you get a bunch of prospects with the Astros.
06:23It's a little different in that there are people that just like trade,
06:26whoever can get your prospects.
06:27But the bottom line is with both of these teams,
06:29fans of both of these teams,
06:32a faction of them are ready to tear it down to either go with the Rockets,
06:37either go get another star and take one last big swing or the Astros.
06:41It's like to do what they did back in 2010 and 2011 and start to rebuild
06:45because your farm system is so bad.
06:47that's where,
06:48when I had my moment of clarity in the whole Giannis debate about whether or
06:53not they should trade for Giannis,
06:55there was a part of me that was saying,
06:56well,
06:58all right.
06:58Yeah.
06:58But if you bring Giannis in,
06:59does that actually still solve a lot of the other issues they have on the
07:03offense right now?
07:04Certainly it should,
07:05you know,
07:06it's going to take the pressure off Durant.
07:09But then I realized,
07:10Oh wait,
07:10yeah.
07:11With a,
07:12with a coach that knows how to run an offense,
07:15they'll figure out how to get it done.
07:17Um,
07:18and having two superstars on the team is,
07:21uh,
07:21it should be enough to really improve things.
07:25If you actually know how to construct an offense.
07:27Now with the honest,
07:27there are other considerations because of his injury,
07:29uh,
07:30his injury history and all of that.
07:31Um,
07:32but yeah,
07:32that's like the,
07:33the,
07:33the hitch in the face side of it is,
07:36well,
07:36yeah,
07:37we,
07:37we don't trust the new joke is actually capable of fixing an offense.
07:41Yeah.
07:41And,
07:42and that's the issue you've had with all of these younger guys trying to
07:45play a different role.
07:46There just hasn't been substantive progress,
07:50especially when you have to go against not even good teams,
07:53whatever the Lakers are now with a lot of LeBron James and Luke freaking
07:57Kennard and those guys with no,
07:59with no Donchish and no Reeves that because it's the playoffs,
08:04because they're dialed in the offense is evaporated.
08:07Well,
08:07here,
08:08here's the scary thing for rocket fans is they,
08:10they presumably they weren't in on any of the honest talks because they,
08:15they want to,
08:15they want to continue with,
08:17you know,
08:17kind of doing both things,
08:19having Kevin Durant and some vets on the team,
08:20but you also have a young core and some of that draft capital to sustain
08:24being relevant at the very least relevant for the next several years.
08:28Um,
08:29the question is,
08:30I think now that's really scary.
08:32It's just how good is this young core?
08:33Like how good are these players?
08:34Are they worth,
08:35are these players,
08:36what are you extending exactly by keeping these guys?
08:39What 48 wins a year?
08:41Like,
08:41what are you,
08:41what are we doing?
08:42Would you rather,
08:43if you go get Giannis and again,
08:44the health considerations,
08:46yes,
08:46that's what scares me with Giannis when he's on the court and he's healthy,
08:49he is a phenomenal basketball player still.
08:52So the health,
08:52but let's assume that you get a,
08:54a,
08:54you know,
08:5565 to 70 games,
08:57plus the playoffs out of Giannis.
08:59Would you rather have email Doka coaching a team with Giannis and Durant and
09:03Fred Van Vliet and probably I'm in Thompson,
09:06or would you rather keep the young core and just swap out a new coach that might be able
09:10to get something and run an actual offense?
09:13Yeah,
09:13I think that's,
09:14that's the logical and most expedient thing to do.
09:18Fire the coach.
09:19You know,
09:19there's an upside with a lot of these young guys in this core.
09:22And you know that the environment offensively that they've been operating in is,
09:27is not one that's going to get you the best performance out of those guys or the best
09:31development.
09:32And you think,
09:33I think about,
09:34I mean,
09:35the extreme version of it is when Steve Kerr goes to the Warriors,
09:37take a team that was already good and defensively really good.
09:43But you added Steve Kerr into the mix and that was what put everything over the top.
09:47You swapped out Mark Jackson.
09:49Yeah.
09:49Those Warriors teams were where the,
09:51I mean,
09:51it was a much younger team with Steph,
09:53you know,
09:54sort of young Curry and young Clay Thompson and young Draymond Green.
09:57They didn't have Kevin Durant on that team,
09:59obviously,
09:59but yeah,
10:00it's a good analogy because they were stuck in that same morass that the Rockets are in
10:04right now.
10:04Yeah.
10:05That,
10:05that,
10:05Hey,
10:05we're a playoff team,
10:06but what are we doing?
10:08Like,
10:08which is tough.
10:09I mean,
10:09cause it's not like,
10:10okay,
10:10who's the next Steve Kerr?
10:12Yeah.
10:12Always not,
10:12not always so easy to figure out exactly.
10:14It's not,
10:14it's not,
10:15it's not.
10:16Um,
10:17so those are the,
10:17those are the show last night.
10:19Sorry.
10:19Just where there's a Canadian character.
10:22Uh,
10:23she's drunk and she shoots a,
10:25she throws a,
10:26uh,
10:27she throws a bottle into a garbage basket and where a kid might say Kobe in America.
10:31She goes,
10:32Steve Nash.
10:33really?
10:33Yeah.
10:35Canadian hero.
10:36That's hilarious.
10:37Steve Nash,
10:38the next Steve Kerr.
10:39I don't know.
10:39No,
10:40he's not.
10:40They tried that out already in Brooklyn.
10:42I can tell you,
10:43he is not the next Steve Kerr.
10:45Um,
10:45the funny text,
10:46uh,
10:47credit,
10:48uh,
10:48zero six three zero stone was right.
10:50This isn't our year.
10:52I know.
10:53Hilarious.
10:54When your GM says that,
10:55but hindsight,
10:55let's give him credit.
10:57Yeah.
10:57Good analysis.
10:58I would say.
10:59Yeah.
11:00Oh,
11:00dude perk.
11:02Oh,
11:02I got to find this later.
11:03I'm just looking up at the TV on get up the caption.
11:06Can rockets overcome to nothing deficit?
11:08And Kendrick Perkins is on the panel and his hands are moving.
11:12He's he's,
11:13I'm guessing the answer is no.
11:15We're back in the,
11:16we agree with Kendrick.
11:17Yes.
11:18That's the third horrible place to be.
11:20Okay.
11:20Okay.
11:20Okay.
11:21So the three horrible places to be one rooting against your team.
11:25So the coach gets fired to a team.
11:28That's been winning.
11:29That has winning expectations where you're like,
11:31screw it,
11:32tear it all down.
11:33Except that guy,
11:33that guy,
11:34and that guy.
11:34Number three,
11:36agreeing with Kendrick Perkins.
11:37Yeah.
11:38Those are the three worst places to be as a fan.
11:40And we're,
11:40and we're there.
11:41We're there right now.
11:42You know,
11:43it was a,
11:43you know,
11:43it was a little depressing to me is that skip Bayless has lost so much
11:47credibility,
11:48even as a hot take artist that people don't even bite on skip Bayless,
11:53bad takes.
11:53No.
11:54Like when skip Bayless was talking about how will Anderson just doesn't play
11:56with the same frenetic energy as other pass rushers,
11:59which is just an absurdly bad take.
12:01Like that's what he's known for.
12:03That's his calling card.
12:04Yeah.
12:04Yeah.
12:05That's like saying Steph Curry isn't known for his three point shooting.
12:08Like,
12:09like what the hell are you talking about?
12:11That's exactly what it is.
12:12So I thought it used to be go to on my YouTube stream.
12:15They're like,
12:16yeah,
12:16you take a bad take from Steven a or,
12:18or,
12:18uh,
12:19skip Bayless or somebody.
12:20And people just love that.
12:22Largely,
12:22largely people looked at it.
12:24Like I was picking on an old man for,
12:26uh,
12:26for,
12:26for pointing out how stupid skip was people like,
12:29yeah,
12:29nobody listens to skip.
12:30Like it's usually people say,
12:32people say nobody listens to Steven a,
12:33but they do,
12:35uh,
12:35they,
12:35you might hate them or whatever,
12:37but they do listen to skip.
12:38I think he's reached that point of irrelevance where people just aren't paying attention to a single thing.
12:42I told you that the other day when we played that audio from him,
12:45the very audio you're talking about with Will Anderson.
12:47I said that to you the other day.
12:48I said,
12:49yeah,
12:49I saw it on my timeline.
12:50I just didn't click on it.
12:51Cause it's skip Bayless.
12:52It was that bad.
12:53It was that bad.
12:53Yeah.
12:54I just didn't clear.
12:54And I,
12:55and you know me,
12:55I'll click.
12:56I mean,
12:56we do take a mania every Friday.
12:58I'll click on almost anything that pops up on my timeline.
13:00Shannon sharp broke that dude because what,
13:05remember what happened in the lead up to their breakup was skip had gone a little over the top and
13:10attacking Shannon a couple of times.
13:11And,
13:12and Shannon basically set his boundaries.
13:15And ever since then,
13:17Bayless looks almost,
13:19he looks almost pathetic in either getting in debates or kind of having conversations with former athletes.
13:25He just,
13:26he,
13:27he looks like a frightened gazelle or something.
13:30He does.
13:30And the crazy thing is he's in good shape too.
13:33You know?
13:33Yeah.
13:33Yeah.
13:33He looks like if he got into a,
13:35gazelles are all in great shape.
13:36That's true.
13:37Yeah.
13:37Some of them get mowed down and they die.
13:40They do.
13:40Yeah.
13:41Right.
13:41Exactly.
13:42Exactly.
13:43Hey,
13:43speaking of Will Anderson,
13:45he met with the media yesterday.
13:47Will is his family has even more generational wealth than they already had three years,
13:52150 million bucks.
13:53Cool.
13:54It was cool yesterday there,
13:55man.
13:55His,
13:55his family came into town and his agent,
13:57Nicole Lynn was there and a lot of behind the scenes video.
14:00If you're,
14:01if you go to the Texans social media,
14:02there's some really cool video of,
14:04uh,
14:05will have in moments with D'Amico and with Nick and things like that.
14:08It was,
14:08it was really neat.
14:09Before we even play any of the clips,
14:11if you,
14:11and the,
14:12for those of you who didn't see the press conference at all,
14:14I got to give him immediate credit for,
14:17he's wearing a suit,
14:18double breasted suit.
14:21Um,
14:22of him signing and everything earlier in the day when he was more like literally buttoned
14:26up.
14:26But by the time he gets to the podium,
14:27I'm guessing this was the last thing he was going to do.
14:30And,
14:30uh,
14:30all the contract side of things and everything yesterday.
14:33He's got the,
14:34he's got his dress shirt,
14:35no tie dress shirt,
14:36unbuttoned down to about his solar plexus.
14:39Yeah.
14:39And the,
14:40uh,
14:40yeah,
14:40the double breasted suit wide open.
14:43Yeah.
14:43It looked,
14:44he looked as,
14:45uh,
14:45he looked like Al Pacino in Scarface.
14:47A little bit.
14:48I loved it.
14:48I was like,
14:49yes,
14:49this is a,
14:50yeah,
14:50look,
14:50I know,
14:51I know you're all wholesome and pure and all of this,
14:54but I kind of like to pretend you're a little bit like Scarface.
14:56He looked like he was ready to go to like a 1977 discotheque.
15:00He did.
15:01He's the unbuttoned shirt,
15:03man.
15:03It's a good look.
15:04I liked it.
15:04I thought he looked good.
15:06Uh,
15:07here's Will Anderson.
15:08Um,
15:09what do you recall,
15:10Will,
15:11from your first visit to the Texans on your 30 visit back in 2023?
15:16I remember just walking in the building and I felt it in my spirit.
15:19I was like,
15:20I got to be here.
15:20Even on drive,
15:21like leading up into the job.
15:22I told Nicole,
15:23me and Nick had like a really long conversation,
15:25but I was like,
15:26Nicole,
15:26I don't care what you got to tell the Texans.
15:28I got to be in that building.
15:29But,
15:29um,
15:30just walking in the staff,
15:31the coaches,
15:32the culture that I knew that D'Amico was trying to build here.
15:35It felt great.
15:36It felt right.
15:37Um,
15:37like I said,
15:38I always tell people his mentality of what he wants his players to be,
15:40what he wants his staff to be,
15:42what he wants this building to be.
15:43It was easy for me to come in and play for him.
15:45And I appreciate him so much.
15:46And that was like my favorite visit of all time.
15:48And every time I tell anybody,
15:50I was like,
15:50bro,
15:50the Texans.
15:51Yeah.
15:51That's the place you want to be at.
15:53Think about,
15:54think about the time that Will came to visit,
15:57what the Texans were coming out of at that time.
15:59Oh yeah.
16:00That was the whipping boy for the league.
16:02Everybody just thought they were the worst organization.
16:05This,
16:05that,
16:06the other.
16:06Well,
16:07and they just fired two coaches probably going to get fired because that's
16:10what they do.
16:11Yeah.
16:12That's what they do.
16:12They fire coaches after one year.
16:14Um,
16:15and they were coming out at arguably maybe even inarguably just the two
16:19worst years in the history of the franchise.
16:21There were worse years record wise,
16:22but given the,
16:23the whole Jack Easterby dynamic,
16:25given the just juju.
16:27Yeah.
16:27Well,
16:28the David,
16:28the David Cully hire.
16:30And then,
16:30you know,
16:30the fact that Lovie Smith felt like Vince Lombardi compared to David Cully,
16:34you know,
16:34that kind of thing.
16:35And Lovie still was not at a stage where he had his fastball.
16:38So think of what they were coming out of.
16:40And this is the very first 30 visit.
16:43This is one of,
16:43if not the best players in the draft.
16:45And he's walking into the building saying,
16:47I got to be here.
16:49I got,
16:49I mean,
16:49it just goes to show you what just the,
16:52the,
16:53the sheer tour de force that D'Amico Ryan's is when it comes to being a
16:56personality.
16:57It's interesting because it reminds me too of D'Amico when he interviewed with
17:00the Texans.
17:01Remember he just flat out told them,
17:03Hey,
17:03this is where I want to be.
17:04Yeah.
17:04You know,
17:05cause it's,
17:06it flies in the face of some advice you might get about when you're trying to
17:10get any position where people have to make a decision where you want to,
17:13you want to make it seem like you're really sought after and you got a bunch of
17:16options and everything play hard to get there.
17:19I mean,
17:19when it comes to Will Anderson wanting to be with the Texans and I,
17:26you know,
17:27whether he told D'Amico that specifically or not,
17:30I mean,
17:31there is something about with,
17:32um,
17:32I guess the advice to the kids out there,
17:34uh,
17:35when an employer interviews you and you show a genuine passion for wanting to work
17:39for that employer and like with,
17:41for specific reasons and everything that goes a long way.
17:44Absolutely.
17:45So for the Texans deciding to trade up there,
17:47there was obviously a lot more than just Will Anderson as a physical prospect
17:51that they liked about him.
17:53And D'Amico had said he was the best top 30 visit they've ever had.
17:57I think that,
17:57that,
17:58that part of it is whether we'll set it outright or not.
18:03The Texans very much got a feel of like,
18:05yeah,
18:05this is the kind of culture we want to have.
18:07This is the kind of kid we want to have to,
18:08to be in that type of culture.
18:10I thought it was interesting too,
18:11in that cut,
18:12we'll get to more will here in a second.
18:13I thought it was interesting in that cut also,
18:15Seth,
18:16that when he was recounting his 30 visit and how much he wanted to be here.
18:21And he talked plenty about D'Amico at the press conference yesterday.
18:24In fact,
18:24we're going to play a cut here in a second about the bond between those two.
18:27He,
18:28he brought up a long conversation he had with Nick Casario also,
18:32you know,
18:32that he,
18:33Nick and I,
18:33Nick Casario and I had a long conversation on my 30 visit.
18:36And I told my agent,
18:37you know,
18:38this is where I really want to be.
18:39That's the first player we've heard,
18:40bring up Nick as an element to the,
18:43you know,
18:43to the,
18:44to wanting to be a Houston town.
18:46And Nick's done a good job.
18:47And we've heard players bring his name up before when they've signed contracts and
18:51things like that.
18:51That's the first time that I've heard a player bring up.
18:54Nick is sort of almost a recruiting element to it.
18:56Yeah.
18:57Of him wanting to be here.
18:58You know,
18:58and that's what Nicole Lynn,
18:59his agent had said in her comments yesterday.
19:02She's talking about Casario.
19:04She said,
19:04Nick is incredible to work with.
19:06The reason is that he cares about the players.
19:08You can feel that.
19:09And that actually starts in ownership.
19:11You can feel with the McNair's that they want to do right by the players.
19:14Yeah.
19:14I think,
19:14and I think that checks out,
19:16you know,
19:16with conversations we've had with Cal and Hannah and the many conversations we've had with Nick Casario.
19:21I think that,
19:22that absolutely,
19:22I saw that same clip.
19:23That was really good to see.
19:25All right.
19:26Let's keep it moving here with Will.
19:28This is Will,
19:29as I just mentioned,
19:29on the bond he shares with D'Amico Ryans.
19:32Yeah.
19:32I'm super proud of the culture that's been built here.
19:34And I,
19:34again,
19:34big shout out to D'Amico because D'Amico did a really good job.
19:37You know,
19:37you talk to other players around the league when you go to pro bowling,
19:40you know,
19:40like this is like,
19:40bro,
19:40we don't have a foundation of who we are.
19:42We don't have anything to lean back on of,
19:44you know,
19:44when things go wrong.
19:45And I think D'Amico always preaches swarm.
19:48And it's been like brainwashed in everybody in this building from every point of the building.
19:52Like we swarm and,
19:54you know,
19:54just talking about our relationship,
19:56man,
19:56he has an open door policy and it's not never a time that I can't go to him and talk
19:59to him.
20:00You know,
20:00he's in his word as well.
20:01So,
20:01you know,
20:01we connect on a spiritual level as well.
20:04Yeah,
20:05that,
20:05uh,
20:06that is probably,
20:07Will's brought that up before about the pro bowl.
20:09He said that Will's been to two pro bowls,
20:11his rookie year,
20:12and then this past pro bowl,
20:14um,
20:15a few months ago,
20:15he brought that up after his rookie year.
20:18He said,
20:18yeah,
20:18a lot of guys were coming up to me at the pro bowl and,
20:20you know,
20:21kind of saying like,
20:22kind of saying like,
20:23Hey,
20:23you got a spot for me at the Texans or whatever.
20:25And that,
20:25that was when Will had the famous quote of this isn't for everybody.
20:29That's right.
20:31The Texans ain't for everybody.
20:32Texans ain't for everybody,
20:33which could be perceived as a negative thing to say.
20:36Yeah.
20:37you know,
20:37you say that about a person,
20:38you're like,
20:38eh,
20:38he ain't for everybody.
20:40Uh,
20:40but no,
20:40he meant it in a very positive way.
20:42And that's something that D'Amico has said,
20:44you know,
20:45uh,
20:45we,
20:45we talked about him getting rid of the energy vampires because I had asked him this year
20:51during training camp,
20:51uh,
20:52you know,
20:52about,
20:52we heard the term energy vampires a few times your first year here.
20:56We haven't heard it as much.
20:57And he said,
20:57we got rid of all of them.
20:58And,
20:59so like,
21:00it's like the lost boys where they got rid of all the vampires.
21:04D'Amico didn't even realize what a fun radio segment that made for.
21:06Oh,
21:07uh,
21:07like,
21:07Oh,
21:07thanks D'Amico.
21:09We are going to do something with that that you never would publicly.
21:12Yeah.
21:12Who are the,
21:13who are the energy vampires?
21:14They got rid of three segments for us.
21:17Yeah.
21:18Um,
21:19so I think that the,
21:21I,
21:22that whole part of it,
21:23the swarm being,
21:24uh,
21:24what did he say?
21:25Oh,
21:25brainwashing everybody in the building,
21:27not every corner of the building.
21:29He said,
21:29that's where I've told you,
21:30uh,
21:31time and time again,
21:33you need a coach who lives by his motivational posters.
21:36And a lot of coaches are just,
21:39they change their motivational posters too often.
21:41They think,
21:42Oh,
21:42this is going to lose.
21:43It's a,
21:43it's going to lose.
21:44It's,
21:44it's going to lose its strength over time or something.
21:46No,
21:47when creating a cult,
21:48you need to have certain tenants that you do not sway from,
21:52and you need to live by the tenants of,
21:55of,
21:56of,
21:56of swarm or whatever else it might be.
21:58You,
21:58you know,
21:59Notre Dame doesn't take down their play like a champion,
22:02uh,
22:03the placard every year to swap it out for a new one.
22:06find your why.
22:08No,
22:08yeah.
22:09Wait,
22:10what are we doing now?
22:11No,
22:11now it's all about,
22:12I'd find another school.
22:13It's empathy.
22:13It's all about empathy.
22:14Yeah,
22:15yeah,
22:15yeah.
22:16Oh no,
22:16you've said that many times.
22:17He's a good cult leader.
22:18Colts can be effective.
22:19Absolutely.
22:20Yeah.
22:20Like many effective cult leaders.
22:22It's just the key is,
22:23and I don't worry about this with D'Amico.
22:26Yeah.
22:26The key is with the cult leader,
22:28sometimes when they start getting distracted by,
22:30uh,
22:31you know,
22:31either the drugs or the women or something,
22:33they,
22:33they come to you.
22:34Yeah.
22:34That's,
22:35you know,
22:35Jim Jones,
22:36all of a sudden started getting into the drugs for one,
22:41but then also he decided that he needed to,
22:43you know,
22:43have relations with some of the,
22:45uh,
22:46the,
22:46the married members of his cult.
22:48I think we're sad.
22:48Yeah.
22:49Yeah.
22:49I think we're safe with that.
22:50Very few successful head football coaches also have affairs with their
22:54players,
22:55wives or reporters.
22:56Do we want to segue into Rossini and Vrabel now with that amazing platform
23:00that you just gave us?
23:01So Mike Vrabel all,
23:03but admitted that,
23:04yeah,
23:05that was not scripted by the way.
23:06That was a set.
23:07Just put that out there.
23:08The Mike Vrabel yesterday got up and spoke to the media and did everything
23:12except just flat out confess that.
23:15Yeah.
23:15That,
23:15that,
23:15that,
23:16that was a thing.
23:17Yeah.
23:17Yeah.
23:17We've got this in two parts here.
23:19Um,
23:20the first is Vrabel saying that he spoke to the,
23:23he thanked the media for being patient and said he spoke to the players this
23:27morning.
23:27We first begin by saying,
23:28thank you.
23:29Thank you for your patience that you've shown in a personal and private
23:34matter for me and obviously everybody involved.
23:38I know that that's not easy for you and I respect that and I appreciate your
23:43efforts in doing so.
23:44I understand I could have addressed you guys sooner,
23:46but it was important to me to have a conversation with the players,
23:49which I did yesterday,
23:51very candidly as we began our off season program,
23:55which everyone is excited to be a part of.
23:57Stacy had mentioned the players,
23:59um,
24:00availability.
24:01It's never my intention to have them speak to you or address you before I
24:05did.
24:05And so I asked him to,
24:07to come today to talk with you.
24:11Um,
24:11you know,
24:11I also don't want to take away from our,
24:14the draft,
24:15the weekend of the draft.
24:16This is an important time for us,
24:18our organization and the excitement and the joy that those players are going to
24:21have that,
24:22that we bring onto our football team.
24:25They're starting an amazing journey.
24:27One that should be celebrated as we welcome them onto our team.
24:31Okay.
24:32So there's more that we're going to get to here in a second.
24:35The part that got quoted the most is coming up here in a second,
24:37but that's about 50 seconds of audio.
24:39So let's pause here for a second.
24:40He's really said nothing so far.
24:43He's really said,
24:44Hey,
24:45thank you for your patience.
24:47Uh,
24:47I wanted to address you guys.
24:50I wanted to address the players before I address the media.
24:54He doesn't say about what we all know what he's talking about,
24:57but he doesn't even say about what it is.
24:59Yeah.
25:00At this point in the audio,
25:01at that point in the audio,
25:03I guess through on a show,
25:04like brave,
25:04uh,
25:05Albert Breer had a quote about what he actually did say to the players.
25:08Yeah,
25:08we'll get to that.
25:09We'll get to that after we'll get to that.
25:10Let's play all the Vrabel first.
25:11So thus far in the first minute or so of audio,
25:13he's really said nothing except I wanted to talk to the players before you
25:18guys talk to the players.
25:19Before I talk to you at no point there,
25:21did he say that the allegations were laughable,
25:23like he had said earlier.
25:25I think that's what we were all kind of waiting for.
25:26It's like,
25:27wait,
25:27hadn't you just said that these allegations are laughable?
25:30Right,
25:30right,
25:31right,
25:31right.
25:31So now here he is talking about referring to the tough conversations he's had to
25:37have with family and others.
25:38With that being said,
25:39um,
25:41you know,
25:41I've had some difficult conversations with people that I care about,
25:44with my family,
25:45the organization,
25:46the coaches,
25:46the players,
25:47those who've been positive and productive.
25:49We believe in order to be successful on and off the field,
25:52you have to make good decisions.
25:54That includes me.
25:55That starts with me.
25:57We never want our actions to negatively affect,
25:59affect the team.
26:00We never want to be the cause of the distraction.
26:03And what I,
26:04those are comments and questions that I've answered for the team and with the
26:08team.
26:08We'll keep those private and to ourselves care deeply about this football team
26:12and,
26:13uh,
26:13excited to coach them.
26:14I also know that I'm going to attack each day with humility and focus.
26:19And what I can promise you is that,
26:21uh,
26:21my family,
26:22this organization,
26:24the team,
26:24the staff,
26:25the coaches,
26:26everybody,
26:26our fans,
26:27most importantly,
26:27uh,
26:28will get the best version of me going forward.
26:30That's what I know.
26:30And I'm excited to do that.
26:32I wanted to just address this and thank you for your patience and dealing
26:36with the private and personal.
26:38Okay.
26:38Is he,
26:38he still doesn't say what it,
26:39if you didn't know there was a news story out there,
26:42you would not know what the hell he's talking about.
26:45Right.
26:45Yeah.
26:46You're a hundred percent.
26:47Yeah.
26:48On that.
26:48Well,
26:48you know what he's learned from his buddy,
26:50uh,
26:50Belichick when Belichick got up and spoke after the Aaron Hernandez,
26:55uh,
26:56the crimes.
26:57Yeah.
26:57Um,
26:58he basically,
26:59he got a lot of credit for,
27:01wow.
27:02Showing the human side of him and everything without ever really saying
27:06anything at all,
27:07other than acknowledging that,
27:08yeah,
27:09we should probably try not to have guys who are,
27:10uh,
27:11mass murderers on our team.
27:12Yeah.
27:13Wow.
27:13Yeah.
27:14Wow.
27:15That's so deep.
27:16Yeah.
27:16So profound.
27:17Oh,
27:18I can't believe just amazing.
27:20Yeah.
27:20Yeah.
27:20Well,
27:20he did it after deflake gate too.
27:22He kind of got up and talked for 15 minutes about how they understand every
27:26detail of everything and everything.
27:27But without actually saying like,
27:29he tried to,
27:30he tried to defend himself by saying,
27:33uh,
27:33like all these things about how careful they are about knowing all the
27:35details,
27:36but somehow you don't know anything about deflated or inflated football.
27:40Right.
27:41PSI affects you,
27:42but people would act like,
27:43Oh,
27:43wow.
27:44Um,
27:44so yeah,
27:45it's just,
27:46but by,
27:46by virtue of him not denying anything,
27:50you're basically,
27:51he's confessing to,
27:53yeah,
27:53yeah.
27:54There's something I had to talk to the players about this.
27:56Cause it's clearly not the way.
27:57Well,
27:58and he said he let the players ask questions of him in that meeting and
28:02those are going to stay private.
28:03And I wonder if that's him kind of heading off any questions from the media.
28:07Cause at no point in this thing,
28:08did,
28:09did he open it to questions where people at Nope,
28:11like neither of them have admitted like verbatim,
28:16like literally to an affair yet.
28:19I'd never seen two people dance around it more through statements.
28:23And the denials were flat out.
28:24I think we can assume at this point,
28:26the denials were lies.
28:27I think we can assume at this point.
28:29Cause Rabel doesn't,
28:30you know,
28:31if accusations were laughable,
28:33you're not standing up there with that level of gravitas yesterday,
28:36talking about difficult conversations you had with your family.
28:40And that seems to be,
28:41you know,
28:42Florio and I,
28:43others I saw say,
28:44man,
28:45he,
28:45cause Rossini's resignation statement still kind of indicates that there are
28:50falsehoods out there,
28:51that there are narratives about there,
28:53about all this,
28:53that she didn't admit to anything in that.
28:55And that she's basically resigning so that it's not,
28:58no,
28:59so that she's no longer distraction for the athletic,
29:01that kind of thing.
29:02Um,
29:04but real quick set the floor,
29:05but Florio is saying Rabel's press conference yesterday,
29:09essentially through Rossini under the bus that like,
29:12okay,
29:12we know we,
29:13we essentially know what happened.
29:15Yeah.
29:15Yeah.
29:16Sorry.
29:17I mean,
29:17at some point he was like,
29:18he's going to have to,
29:19like,
29:19she has the option of never speaking to the media again,
29:21if she doesn't want to true,
29:23it'd be hard to have a career.
29:25Yeah.
29:25Right.
29:26It'd be hard to have a career,
29:26but Rabel in his current job has the option of,
29:28speaking to the media.
29:30And it's not,
29:30it's not good.
29:31It's obviously not threatening his job with the Patriots.
29:33Right.
29:34I think the,
29:34the one big question or comment I keep seeing from people is,
29:38you're like,
29:39how are the players going to respect them or anything?
29:40I think that's,
29:42you know,
29:42the one that annoyed me was while Drake may is a Christian,
29:45how's he going to feel about this?
29:46Like,
29:46I feel like Christians are,
29:48it's drilled into their head pretty regularly about the concept of
29:51forgiveness.
29:52Yeah.
29:52I guess probably better than most of the other guys.
29:55If we're being honest,
29:55I guarantee you if Rabel didn't get up in front of his,
29:59in front of his guys and be like,
30:01Raves is going to do what Raves is going to do.
30:03And then crotch chops and then walks off the stage.
30:05Raves got to be free.
30:06Right.
30:07Woo!
30:10So,
30:10I mean,
30:11yeah,
30:11it's an issue.
30:12It could cause a distraction.
30:13This is,
30:13if it had happened the week before the Superbowl,
30:16that's a distraction.
30:17Yeah.
30:17This is a,
30:18this thing,
30:18this keeps things interesting in the off season.
30:20I think as far as how it might affect the Patriots,
30:24the,
30:24the only thing I would,
30:25if I were a Patriots fan,
30:27I would be worried that if man,
30:29depending on what the fallout is in Rabel's personal life and his life,
30:32if his life is flipped upside down,
30:34whichever relationships he has to repair with various family members and
30:38everything,
30:38does that,
30:39does he lose some of his juice or his edge?
30:41But on the flip side,
30:43it could also be man.
30:44It's if this narrows his focus and however you is kind of just living a
30:49certain kind of lifestyle before,
30:51maybe you see a much better version of Rabel going forward.
30:54And he was already,
30:54it was already a pretty good version.
30:56He was already an elite head coach.
30:57He got his team to the Superbowl.
30:59Yeah.
30:59He got,
30:59he got the Tennessee Titans to the AFC title game.
31:03Um,
31:04a text message,
31:05base power text line.
31:06I have a hard time believing the players give a single damn about this.
31:09Yeah,
31:10that's,
31:10I mean,
31:11it's look,
31:12it's like anything else.
31:12People vary from,
31:14it's going to vary from player to player,
31:16but largely it's like,
31:17if you just try to put yourself in it with coworkers,
31:20effective coworkers of yours and what they end up doing in their own time.
31:25Yeah.
31:25Not everybody shares your same values.
31:27If it's a leader again,
31:29it's like,
31:30does it,
31:30how is it affecting them in their job and spill over into other parts?
31:36Like,
31:36I don't want to say people don't care about it.
31:38People are going to care about what they care about,
31:40but it's not like it makes it an unworkable situation.
31:42Or that they don't,
31:43you know,
31:43what it's not going to do is not going to make any single one of them respect him
31:47less as a football coach.
31:49And Vrabel's whole deal.
31:51If a guy like,
31:52honestly,
31:52if a guy like D'Amico were in a situation like this,
31:56there might be issues because D'Amico is just,
31:59because he's a different type of guy than Vrabel is.
32:01Yeah.
32:01You know,
32:02Vrabel's got that look in his eyes.
32:03He's yeah.
32:04Vrabel's a certain type of,
32:05like he doesn't operate the same way D'Amico does.
32:07This is so like,
32:08but so it's not,
32:09it's not as jarring with Vrabel as it would be with various other coaches.
32:13That's true.
32:14that,
32:15and it's not like Vrabel is as faith-based in his messages and everything.
32:20No,
32:20so it doesn't feel,
32:21it wouldn't feel,
32:22it would feel way more fraudulent or hypocritical with other,
32:25with other coaches than it would with Vrabel.
32:28I actually went back Seth yesterday and spent a little bit of time,
32:31like,
32:31you know,
32:31maybe,
32:32I don't know,
32:3220 minutes or so.
32:34So just going back and looking at those forged in Foxborough videos that the
32:39Patriots did that series that they did last year when Vrabel came on,
32:42where the whole,
32:43whole series is basically a celebration of Vrabel and Vrabel style football.
32:48And including like the preseason,
32:50the time of year that we're in right now,
32:51they're in the meeting rooms with Vrabel telling the players,
32:54this is how it's going to be,
32:55blah,
32:55blah,
32:56blah.
32:56And they did a lot of sit down interviews with him where he was loving him.
32:59Some Mike Vrabel.
33:00I just wonder like what version,
33:02you know,
33:03is he still going to be that guy?
33:04Is he still going to be,
33:05have the bravado?
33:06Like that was a,
33:06that was a fairly beaten man yesterday at that,
33:09at that.
33:10Yeah.
33:11Yeah.
33:11I don't,
33:12I think honestly,
33:14who knows if anything,
33:15I mean,
33:16the people speculating about this has gone back a long time.
33:20So who knows how long the relationship may have been that maybe,
33:24maybe it ends up,
33:26like I said,
33:26being a better version of himself.
33:28If you just all of a sudden have everything exposed and kind of get your
33:31life in order.
33:31Yep.
33:31Just to pay off on the part that you had brought up that I said,
33:34we would read here.
33:35Albert Breer was on the radio somewhere yesterday.
33:40And he,
33:41he has some in some Intel on Vrabel's apology to the team,
33:46the private one.
33:47And Breer who is based out of Boston says,
33:50my understanding is that he,
33:52he led with it.
33:53Meaning the apology as he stood in front of the Monday,
33:56quickly apologizing for bringing unwanted attention to the team.
34:00He promised that he'd make it right and do all he could to put the focus back
34:04on the players to those in the room.
34:06He came off as genuine and remorseful and maybe most of all relatable.
34:10Somebody asked us a great,
34:11his apology to the media,
34:13you know,
34:13or just his public upon.
34:14I don't think he was apologizing to the media,
34:16but his public apology.
34:17We'll do that later.
34:18I think that was the only person he actually apologized to at the very beginning.
34:22He apologized to the media for making them wait so long.
34:25Yeah.
34:25Yeah.
34:25Do you accept his apology set for making us wait this long?
34:30No,
34:30I liked it.
34:31It builds,
34:31it builds up tension.
34:32Yeah.
34:32It's like Houdini back in the old day.
34:34Oh yeah.
34:34He used to just pull the screen and for like 15 minutes.
34:37Yeah.
34:38People back then were stupid.
34:39Leave them one more.
34:40They didn't know how to use their smartphones and it would just,
34:43it would build the tension.
34:44Yeah,
34:45man.
34:45Leave them one more.
34:46It's funny because I think this,
34:48I think this media session kind of came out of left field.
34:50Cause I,
34:50I had texted with Ted Johnson a couple of days ago and I said,
34:55Hey man,
34:55what's,
34:56what's your understanding is to Vrabel?
34:58Like when's he going to,
34:59you know,
34:59come out of his hole here and talk to people and Ted said,
35:02he thought it wasn't going to be for a while.
35:04Like after the draft sometime,
35:05like maybe not even in may.
35:07And then,
35:07so when I put,
35:08when I put,
35:08when it popped up on my timeline yesterday,
35:10I'm like,
35:10okay,
35:10I got to make sure this is an AI or something like that.
35:13I think the biggest thing in all of this,
35:14it's the biggest mystery is honestly,
35:17and this is where it could get super interesting.
35:19If we leave it,
35:19if you don't like a soap opera part of it,
35:21I get it.
35:21I understand.
35:22Yeah.
35:23There's people that pissed off that we talk about this.
35:25They probably left.
35:26Yeah.
35:26Okay.
35:27So the rest of us are still here.
35:28All right.
35:28Here's the thing.
35:29Like we still don't know who took the photos and why.
35:34Yeah.
35:34Like what is this a P is this a private investigation situation?
35:38Yeah.
35:38Was this just some random person that realized what was going on?
35:42Is that into who did,
35:44like,
35:44how did it end up with the post?
35:46All of these things.
35:47That's the intriguing part.
35:47I did think,
35:48and like,
35:49I feel like I'm splitting hairs in a way that's,
35:53it was,
35:54I felt like the New York post,
35:55they did an article yesterday of,
35:58I think it was titled who is whatever Vrabel.
36:01Jen Vrabel.
36:02I saw Jen Vrabel.
36:03And it does a whole,
36:04uh,
36:05with her picture up front and everything.
36:06I felt like now I feel dirty.
36:09Like this is a,
36:10what are we doing here,
36:11man?
36:11Yeah.
36:11Like,
36:12could you,
36:12could you just leave the poor woman's face out of the,
36:15out of this conversation?
36:16This is the same publication that showed up on Diana Rossini's front door on
36:20Easter Sunday.
36:21Easter Sunday.
36:22So I,
36:22but I can't like,
36:23I can't be overly critical because I'm participating in the whole thing.
36:26I'm a consumer.
36:27Sure.
36:27I'm like,
36:28Oh,
36:28shame on you post.
36:29Hey,
36:29I will buy that paper version of this and read that article.
36:32Yeah.
36:32Real quick.
36:33My favorite underrated person now in this whole story,
36:36now that we know there probably weren't six people at the resort,
36:39there were just two.
36:40Is it the post actually didn't talk to Vrabel.
36:42They talked to one of Vrabel's buddies that said that there were six of us
36:47there.
36:47And they're like,
36:48okay,
36:49this is just some stooge.
36:50Vrabel said,
36:51Hey,
36:51will you talk to the post and tell him that you guys were there also?
36:55That was the dumbest thing that he and Rossini did.
36:58And not that this wouldn't have still been a story,
37:00but the fact that they gave an alibi that was so easy to easily traceable.
37:05Yeah.
37:06Yeah.
37:07Yeah.
37:07Sean,
37:07you ever catch me committing any kind of crime or have any kind of scandal?
37:11I'm going to have alibis that are impossible.
37:13I know you will.
37:14I know you will.
37:15I know you're going to involve an alien or something.
37:17You have,
37:17and I know you will.
37:18That's government conspiracies.
37:20Nobody can prove that.
37:21Yeah.
37:21Yeah.
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