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00:14Dzień dobry, jest Wednesday, 22nd April.
00:19I'm Mariet Gwyn and this is Europe Today,
00:22your daily dose of news and analysis
00:24broadcast live here from Brussels.
00:27On today's show, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky
00:31has announced that the Druzhba oil pipeline
00:34has been repaired and can resume operation.
00:38It comes just in time for a gathering of EU ambassadors
00:41today in Brussels, where Hungary could drop its veto
00:45on the EU's 90 billion euro loan to Ukraine.
00:49Also, we'll have an exclusive interview
00:51with Luxembourg's Deputy Prime Minister, Xavier Betel.
00:55He reacts to yesterday's ruling from the EU's top court,
00:59which found Viktor Orbán's anti-LGBTQ laws in Hungary
01:03in breach of the EU's values of equality and minority rights.
01:09And US President Donald Trump says he has extended the ceasefire
01:13with Iran until negotiations between both sides conclude.
01:17It came as the White House put Vice President J.D. Vance's trip to Pakistan
01:22for a second round of talks on hold.
01:24Amid the energy crisis, the EU says it could import jet fuel
01:28from alternative suppliers such as the US to avoid potential shortages.
01:34But first, to our top story this morning,
01:37because Kyiv says that the Druzhba pipeline,
01:40which was damaged in Ukraine three months ago,
01:43can now resume operation.
01:45It's set to end months of standoff,
01:48pitting Hungary and Slovakia against Ukraine.
01:52Our correspondent, Shandor Shiroz, is with me in the studio
01:55to discuss the details.
01:57Shandor, good morning.
01:58This announcement from Zelenskyy yesterday
02:01that the Druzhba pipeline can now, in principle,
02:05return to operation could prove to be quite significant.
02:08Yes, I completely agree.
02:10So this is the pipeline that brings cheap Russian oil
02:14through Ukraine to Hungary and to Slovakia.
02:17And it has been shut down at the end of January
02:19by a Russian strike and has not been repaired
02:23ever since until yesterday.
02:25But yesterday, Zelenskyy announced the repair in a tweet.
02:28He said that Ukraine has completed repair work
02:31on the sections of the Druzhba oil pipeline
02:34that was damaged by a Russian strike.
02:36The pipeline can resume operation.
02:39Now this step could end tensions
02:42between Hungary, Slovakia and Ukraine.
02:45And also this issue caused huge tensions
02:48in the European Union
02:49because Hungary blocked the EU's 90 billion aid package
02:53to Ukraine because of the Druzhba issue.
02:55Now everything can be fixed, hopefully.
02:58When the oil will start to flow, Hungary will lift its veto.
03:02It could happen today at the EU's ambassadors' meeting in Brussels.
03:07And right after, the Commission could send the money to Ukraine
03:10because they said that they did their paperwork already.
03:15We've been doing all the technical work on our side
03:19to make sure that once all the steps are in place,
03:23we will be losing no time.
03:26And Sándor, this obviously has caused a big political earthquake.
03:31When it comes to the politics behind this,
03:34how do you interpret this move now from Zelenskyy to unblock this?
03:38Well, we can only guess for the moment what we know so far
03:42that Hungary and Slovakia from the beginning accused Ukraine
03:45of using the Druzhba issue for political blackmailing
03:48and to cut Russian oil flows to Europe.
03:52On the other hand, Ukraine also said that
03:54it's technically a very difficult issue
03:56to repair this pipeline and it could take months.
04:00But for the record,
04:01Zelenskyy said that he would not repair the pipeline in March,
04:05because he's financing Russia's war.
04:08And it's also true that, you know,
04:10Ukraine never accepted independent European experts
04:14on the ground to check the situation.
04:16But the timing is very interesting and very important.
04:19We are 10 days after the Hungarian elections.
04:22Viktor Orbán, who has been absolutely hostile towards Ukraine,
04:27has been removed from the power.
04:29And Peter Magyar, who could be more flexible,
04:32will get the new government.
04:34So this could be a signal also from Ukraine
04:37to, you know, in a way, settle this situation.
04:40I would like to have one final sentence on Orbán,
04:44because it's very interesting what Orbán is doing
04:46by lifting the veto.
04:48He's keeping his word
04:49and he's also removing obstacles
04:52from the future government of Peter Magyar.
04:55OK, Sándor, thank you so much for that.
04:57And we will be keeping an eye out, of course,
04:59for the outcome of that meeting of EU ambassadors
05:02later today.
05:03But now, moving on, EU foreign ministers
05:06gathered in Luxembourg yesterday
05:08in what was the first major EU meeting
05:11since Viktor Orbán's electoral defeat.
05:14The outgoing foreign minister,
05:16Peter Siarto, skipped the talks.
05:18Orbán is also expected to skip a gathering
05:21of EU leaders in Cyprus on Friday.
05:23During yesterday's meeting of foreign ministers,
05:26they failed to agree on proposals
05:28by Ireland, Spain and Slovenia
05:29to suspend the EU-Israel Association agreement
05:32over the deteriorating situation in Gaza
05:35and ongoing violence against Palestinians
05:37in the West Bank.
05:39Back from Luxembourg
05:40and joining me in the studio this morning
05:42is our correspondent, Shauna Murray.
05:44Shauna, briefly, bring us up to speed
05:46on that meeting yesterday
05:47and tell us about your interview
05:48with the Luxembourgish foreign minister.
05:50That's right.
05:51So, EU foreign affairs ministers,
05:53the numbers weren't there
05:54to pass this proposal
05:56to suspend the Israel-EU Association agreement
05:59in relation to alleged war crimes
06:01in Lebanon, also across Palestine.
06:03But there will be a proposal
06:04from Sweden and France
06:05to potentially ban goods
06:07from settlement areas.
06:08That will be looked at by Mara Sefcovic,
06:10the EU trade commissioner.
06:11But I also caught up with Xavier Patel,
06:14who is Luxembourg's foreign affairs minister.
06:16And at the time when we were chatting,
06:18the European Court of Justice emerged
06:20with this ruling,
06:21which said that Viktor Orban's
06:23anti-LGBT law in Hungary back in 2021
06:27was actually deemed a breach of EU law.
06:29And I asked Xavier Patel about this
06:31because he was former prime minister
06:33of Luxembourg
06:33and he once addressed this issue
06:35with Viktor Orban directly.
06:39It's not the fact that I'm gay
06:41that I just fight for gay rights,
06:42but it's the fact that I fight for minorities
06:44and it's always easier
06:48to fight against the smallest group
06:51in some countries.
06:52And for me, European Union
06:53is a peace project,
06:54but it's also a rule of law
06:55and the rights of minorities.
06:58And I don't like to teach other continents
07:01if on my own continent,
07:03in my own family,
07:04have people blaming me for being gay.
07:07And as I told to Viktor Orban
07:09at that moment,
07:10it was not my choice
07:10and the most difficult part of that
07:12was to accept myself.
07:13and then to get blamed
07:14because I'm different for him.
07:18And, you know, as I said,
07:19you know, being gay is not a choice,
07:20but being homophobic is a choice
07:22and to do politics
07:24by blaming someone
07:25reminds me seriously
07:28that how it starts also
07:29with Jewish people
07:30and then with gypsies and et cetera.
07:33So I want to be intolerant to intolerance.
07:37That's the only intolerance I accept.
07:39And I will fight for that.
07:40And I remember I told also in the meeting
07:42and I shouldn't speak about the meetings,
07:44but I told to Viktor at that moment
07:46when he wants also a ban
07:50about in Hungary to speak
07:52even about LGBTI questions
07:55that I didn't become gay
07:56because I watch TV.
07:57What was Viktor Orban's response to you?
08:00Because you were equals,
08:01you were both prime ministers of your country.
08:03You know, it was a very clear answer from Viktor
08:07because usually he always answer
08:08and he did not answer.
08:10He didn't say anything.
08:12And in the meeting room,
08:14there was a silence
08:15when I took the floor to...
08:16It was not in the agenda.
08:18And I took the floor.
08:19I asked Charles to be able to raise the topic
08:21and I raised it.
08:23But I'm not, you know,
08:24I'm not the gay prime minister.
08:26I'm prime minister
08:26and I was prime minister
08:28and I am gay.
08:28And it's just the fact
08:30that I wanted to tell him
08:31how I feel the situations
08:32for, in fact,
08:34the people who have no opportunity
08:35to tell it to him.
08:36That's the people living in his own country
08:38and being considered as not normal.
08:41But this is a momentous Foreign Affairs Council
08:43because the last one back in February
08:45was just a torrid affair
08:48because Peter Giarto,
08:49the Hungarian foreign minister
08:51who's not actually showing up here today,
08:53was blocking the 90 billion euro loan
08:55for Ukraine,
08:56blocking access
08:57to the European peace facility,
08:59blocking the sanctions,
09:00blocking progress
09:01on Ukrainian membership
09:02of the European Union.
09:03I'm very honest.
09:04As you know,
09:05maybe the boss of diplomacy
09:06but not the most diplomatic.
09:08But I'm always honest.
09:09I said to Peter
09:10that they moved in a direction
09:12where most of us are counting the days
09:14till the elections in Hungary
09:16are going to happen.
09:17And this was,
09:18this is not good.
09:19You said that to Peter Giarto
09:20at the last Foreign Affairs Council.
09:22And what did he say to you?
09:24No answer.
09:25But I meant it that
09:27they moved in that direction.
09:29So they made it for most of us
09:32counting the days.
09:33And this is not,
09:33this is never good
09:34when you just hope
09:35that there will be a change
09:36of government
09:37to be able to move on.
09:39And so that's the reason
09:39why I really promote
09:41for a lot of topics
09:43in foreign policies
09:44to be able to have
09:45a majority vote
09:46and not unanimity.
09:47This is not good
09:48when one country
09:49can bloke on foreign policy.
09:50We have today also
09:52later in the day
09:53discussions about the Middle East.
09:54I hope we will be able
09:55to have an agreement
09:56but usually we are not
09:57even able to
09:59sanction settlers.
10:00And when we see
10:01what's happening
10:03in Palestine
10:04and in Israel
10:05and in the West Bank
10:06it's a shame
10:07when we see
10:07what's happening
10:08in Lebanon.
10:09And this is
10:10where sometimes
10:11it's very frustrating.
10:12Just finally,
10:14on the Strait of Ormos,
10:15I mean,
10:15it sort of changes
10:16every hour.
10:17But from an EU,
10:19NATO perspective,
10:20what do you think
10:20can actually be done?
10:22But the fact is,
10:23you know,
10:23to say NATO,
10:24NATO is a defensive,
10:26it's not an offensive union.
10:28It's a defensive union
10:29if one country is attacked
10:30that the other will help it.
10:32Article 5.
10:32For the moment,
10:33there is no attack
10:35against the NATO countries.
10:37It was an attack
10:38from NATO countries
10:39and also from Israel
10:40against Iran.
10:42That's the reality.
10:42We can't change the history.
10:44And we have not been consulted
10:45before to know
10:46if we would love
10:47to join or not to join.
10:48So I think
10:49we should not be part
10:51of the war
10:51but if we can be part
10:53of the solution,
10:54that'd be something
10:55for the boats.
10:57And don't forget,
10:58we speak,
10:59a lot of countries
11:00are now just interested
11:01in petrol.
11:02But we should not forget
11:03that there is even
11:04humanitarian aid
11:05which is not able
11:06to go up.
11:07So there will be
11:08millions of people
11:08who won't get food
11:10because of it.
11:10And we cannot let
11:13the Iranians decide
11:14of millions of people
11:16who need
11:16humanitarian support.
11:20moving on now.
11:22U.S. President
11:22Donald Trump
11:23has said overnight
11:24he will extend
11:25the ceasefire
11:26in the war on Iran
11:27until negotiations
11:28progress
11:29and Tehran
11:29puts forward
11:30a proposal.
11:31For more,
11:32we can bring in
11:32Euronews'
11:33Laila Humaira
11:35who's in Doha
11:36for us this morning.
11:37Good morning,
11:38Laila.
11:38Great to have you
11:38on the show.
11:39Bring us up to speed
11:41if you can
11:42on what happened
11:43overnight.
11:46That's right,
11:47Maret.
11:47Good morning to you
11:48guys in Brussels
11:48as well.
11:49We were watching
11:50very closely
11:50what was going
11:51to happen
11:51with these
11:52negotiation talks
11:53and with the
11:54ceasefire deadline
11:55looming,
11:56as you said,
11:58President Donald
11:58Trump late
11:59on Tuesday
12:00our time
12:00posted to
12:01Truth Social
12:02and here was
12:02what he had
12:03to say.
12:04We have been,
12:05and I quote,
12:05we have been asked
12:06to hold our attack
12:08on the country
12:08of Iran.
12:09I have therefore
12:10directed our military
12:11to continue the
12:13blockade
12:13and remain ready
12:14and will therefore
12:15extend the ceasefire
12:16until such time
12:18as their proposal
12:19is submitted
12:20and discussions
12:21are concluded
12:22one way
12:23or the other,
12:24end quote.
12:25Now that puts
12:25the ball back
12:26in Tehran's turf.
12:27There have been
12:28no official response
12:29from Iran
12:30as of yet,
12:31but that's where
12:32we stand,
12:32an extension
12:33to the ceasefire
12:34until Iran
12:35puts forward
12:36a proposal.
12:37And Laila,
12:38despite this
12:39truce now,
12:40the situation
12:41in the Strait
12:42of Hormuz
12:42remains
12:43very volatile.
12:46Yes,
12:47absolutely.
12:48And since
12:49Saturday,
12:50ships,
12:50tankers,
12:50and vessels
12:51have essentially
12:53found themselves
12:53back to square one,
12:55idling in the waters
12:56of the Persian Gulf
12:57and the Gulf
12:58of Oman.
12:58We had the Iranian
12:59Foreign Minister
13:00Abbas Arachi
13:01saying the U.S.
13:02blockade
13:02is an act
13:03of war.
13:04Meanwhile,
13:05U.S. naval forces
13:06have said
13:07that it's directed
13:0728 vessels
13:08to turn around
13:11under this
13:12Iranian port
13:13blockade.
13:14They have also
13:14seized at least
13:15one Iranian-linked
13:17vessel in the Gulf
13:18waters and another
13:19in the Indo-Pacific region.
13:21But there's also
13:21been a development
13:22in the waters as well.
13:23In the last hour or so,
13:25the U.K.
13:26maritime trade
13:26operations reported
13:27an incident
13:28northeast of Oman.
13:30And after that,
13:31the Iranian state
13:31media reported
13:33that it had
13:33enforced what it
13:34called maritime law
13:36on a container ship
13:37that had been
13:38ignoring repeated
13:39warnings.
13:40Okay, Laila,
13:41Humaira there
13:42for us in Doha.
13:43Thank you so much
13:44for that update.
13:45But now,
13:46Sana Marin
13:47became Finland's
13:48youngest Prime Minister
13:49at the age
13:50of just 34.
13:51During her tenure,
13:53she oversaw
13:53major shifts
13:54in Finland's
13:55foreign policy,
13:56including its
13:57accession to NATO
13:58in the wake of
13:59Russia's invasion
14:00of Ukraine.
14:01Our Europe editor
14:02Maria Tadeo
14:03sat down with
14:03Sana Marin
14:04yesterday
14:05and started
14:06by asking her
14:07about Petra Madja's
14:08victory over
14:09Orban in Hungary
14:09and what it could
14:10mean both for
14:11Hungary and
14:12the European Union.
14:13I think it gives
14:15hope to Europe
14:16and I know
14:17that I am
14:18and I know
14:18that many in Hungary
14:19and many in
14:20Europe are
14:21relieved
14:22with this outcome
14:23of the election
14:24of the Hungarian
14:25parliamentary elections
14:26because it also
14:27gives now
14:28much more space
14:29of solutions
14:31about Ukraine.
14:32We all know
14:33that Orban
14:34has had Ukraine
14:35under his pressure
14:37on many occasions
14:38and many situations
14:39so of course
14:40we hope that now
14:41things will flow
14:42forward.
14:43And also I think
14:44it's hope for
14:44Hungarian people.
14:46And of course
14:47you were
14:47prime minister
14:48of Finland,
14:50you sat at the
14:50European Council,
14:51you also sat
14:52with Viktor Orban
14:53over the past few weeks
14:54we've seen tapes
14:56that leaked
14:56of alleged conversations
14:58and some of them
14:58caught on tape
14:59very openly
15:00between the Hungarians
15:01and the Russians.
15:02Is that something
15:03that you suspected
15:03and is it just
15:05a red line
15:06has been crossed already?
15:07The idea
15:08that this communication
15:09certainly happened
15:10before and after meetings.
15:11Of course
15:12I have worked
15:14together with
15:14Viktor Orban
15:15in European Council
15:16and we have had
15:18many difficult
15:19situations
15:20and discussions
15:21for example
15:21concerning Finland's
15:22and Sweden's
15:23NATO membership.
15:24Hungary was
15:26a second
15:28of the last
15:29countries
15:29that ratified
15:31our NATO membership
15:32and there have
15:33been many situations
15:36and we know
15:37that Orban
15:39has very different
15:40views on the
15:41war in Ukraine
15:43and also
15:43for example
15:44rule of law
15:45applying rule of law
15:46in Europe.
15:47Ukraine cannot win it.
15:48You said objectively
15:49Ukraine cannot win it.
15:50You've said
15:51Ukraine can win it.
15:52Ukraine must win it
15:53I would say
15:54Ukraine must win it
15:55if Ukraine doesn't
15:57win the war
15:58or have
15:59and this I mean
16:00have an outcome
16:02on a peace negotiations
16:03that will be
16:04sustainable
16:05that would be fair
16:06for the Ukrainian citizens
16:08and that will
16:09provide security
16:11to Europe
16:12and to Ukraine
16:13in the future
16:13if we won't have that
16:15we as Europe
16:16we are under jeopardy
16:17because Russia
16:19is as we speak
16:21they are preparing
16:22themselves
16:23they are modernizing
16:24their army
16:24and they are preparing
16:25themselves
16:26to much wider
16:28fight
16:29So they are preparing
16:29for war with Europe
16:30the rest of the continent?
16:32I wouldn't rule that out
16:33and we also need to prepare
16:35and for that
16:36we need strong Ukraine
16:37because Ukraine
16:38has the largest
16:39most functional
16:40and modern army
16:42with modern warfare
16:43experience
16:44and without Ukraine
16:45we are vulnerable
16:46we need their lessons learned
16:47we need their help
16:48and we need to understand
16:50that we are as dependent
16:51on Ukraine
16:52and Ukrainian capabilities
16:54that Ukraine is dependent
16:55on our help
16:56And you mentioned NATO
16:57there's been a lot of friction
16:59over the past few weeks
17:00certainly the president
17:01of the US
17:01making it very clear
17:02that he believes
17:03the Europeans
17:04have done very little
17:05in Iran
17:05and also said that
17:06NATO without the US
17:07is a paper tiger
17:08when I hear these words
17:10this is exactly
17:11what Russia would like
17:12to hear
17:12NATO is a paper tiger
17:14and the US may consider
17:15reassessing their relationship
17:16how concerned are you
17:18because a country like yours
17:19certainly needs a strong NATO
17:22I'm very glad
17:24and I still support
17:25our decision
17:26joining NATO
17:27I think it was the right one
17:28at the same time
17:29we have to understand
17:30and realize
17:30that NATO
17:31is a different organization
17:33now than it was
17:34when we and Sweden joined
17:36Because Trump is a president
17:38Because of the changing relationship
17:40between US and Europe
17:42it has already changed
17:43and it is changing
17:44and this is a fact
17:45that we cannot escape
17:46and it means
17:47that we need to focus
17:48on our own game
17:49we cannot anymore
17:50only rely
17:51on the US presence
17:53and US capabilities
17:54we have to build our own
17:55and now we are speaking
17:57European defense capabilities
17:59and European unity
18:01European military forces
18:03and I think
18:03this is extremely
18:04necessary discussion
18:06and we should also
18:07discuss more
18:08about the European
18:10nuclear deterrence
18:12this is a discussion
18:13that I see
18:14happening already
18:15and the necessity
18:16to have it
18:19And you can watch
18:20the full interview
18:21with Sanna Marin
18:22tonight at 5.45
18:24on our program
18:2512 minutes with
18:26Now since Monday
18:27tens of thousands
18:28of migrants
18:29have applied
18:29for legal status
18:30in Spain
18:31as part of
18:31the government's program
18:32to regularize
18:34half a million
18:35undocumented migrants
18:36Jakub Janis explains
18:40The queues formed
18:41early on Monday morning
18:42almost 43,000
18:44undocumented migrants
18:46have registered
18:46in just the first
18:48three days of Spain's
18:49new regularization scheme
18:50starting a program
18:52that the government
18:53says could eventually
18:54grant legal status
18:55to a half a million people
18:56and the public debate
18:58has been polarized
19:00supporters cite
19:01economic necessity
19:02and social justice
19:03while critics worry
19:05about public services
19:06and national identity
19:07However, let's set aside
19:09the emotions for now
19:10and look at the facts
19:14Spain is already home
19:16to 10 million people
19:17born abroad
19:18That is one in five residents
19:21And many of those
19:22applying for legal status
19:24come from Colombia
19:25Venezuela
19:25or Morocco
19:26They are a key part
19:28of the workforce
19:29filling essential roles
19:31in agriculture
19:31tourism
19:32and domestic care
19:34for the elderly
19:34and regularization
19:36turns that shadow workforce
19:37into a formal contribution
19:39to the state
19:39but also grants them
19:41access to public health care
19:42or legal labor protections
19:43And this is the breakthrough
19:45Usually, to get papers
19:47through a process
19:48called Araigo
19:49undocumented migrants
19:50must prove
19:51they have been in Spain
19:52for two or three years
19:53This scheme slashes
19:55that requirement
19:55to just five
19:56consecutive months
19:57However, and that's important
20:00we are talking about
20:01one-year renewable residence permit
20:03not full citizenship
20:05It does not grant the right to vote
20:07in general elections
20:08or provide an immediate path
20:11to nationality
20:11and individuals with criminal records
20:14will not qualify
20:15And the plan has already caused
20:18major friction in Brussels
20:19Spanish residency permit
20:21is effectively a Schengen pass
20:23allowing free travel across Europe
20:25for 90 days
20:26in any 180-day period
20:29EU officials worry
20:30that this could act
20:31as a poor factor
20:32undermining the bloc's new
20:34stricter crackdown
20:35on irregular migration
20:37However, one thing is certain
20:39Spain will either become
20:41a laboratory for a shrinking continent
20:43or break European solidarity
20:45in this most divisive issue
20:47in the EU
20:54Jakob Janes there
20:55and that's all we have time for today
20:58Thank you so much
20:59for tuning in
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